Friends, it has been a pleasure to commiserate and argue with you these many years. I joined the old fora in 2009 or so, if memory serves, and it would be difficult to overstate how helpful this community has been as I have moved through my career. They say that what one does online isn't "real life," but I have many happy memories of this place (and the old place) that suggest otherwise. I will miss it.
With love (and a bit of hate, for one or two of you),
Writingprof
OK,
May I ask what has brought this on? I think you and I may have gotten into it once or twice,
but I sort of don't mind in general if a bunch of people are sitting around commenting on stuff or in ways I don't agree with.
Quote from: writingprof on February 21, 2021, 11:21:14 AM
Friends, it has been a pleasure to commiserate and argue with you these many years. I joined the old fora in 2009 or so, if memory serves, and it would be difficult to overstate how helpful this community has been as I have moved through my career. They say that what one does online isn't "real life," but I have many happy memories of this place (and the old place) that suggest otherwise. I will miss it.
With love (and a bit of hate, for one or two of you),
Writingprof
Please have Mahoganny accompany you.
So.
Farewell then
writingprof
You are leaving
the fora.
So you say.
You were known for
your politics.
My friend Keith's mum
said you were a good laugh.
She will miss you.
Writing is good.
Hope you do
more good writing
prof.
EJ Tribb (17 1/2)
Is this an answer to 'where do republicans go from here?'
Quote from: nebo113 on February 22, 2021, 05:29:16 AM
Quote from: writingprof on February 21, 2021, 11:21:14 AM
Friends, it has been a pleasure to commiserate and argue with you these many years. I joined the old fora in 2009 or so, if memory serves, and it would be difficult to overstate how helpful this community has been as I have moved through my career. They say that what one does online isn't "real life," but I have many happy memories of this place (and the old place) that suggest otherwise. I will miss it.
With love (and a bit of hate, for one or two of you),
Writingprof
Please have Mahoganny accompany you.
one thing I can tell you about liberals. They don't like diversity.
Quote from: mahagonny on February 22, 2021, 07:59:51 AM
Is this an answer to 'where do republicans go from here?'
Quote from: nebo113 on February 22, 2021, 05:29:16 AM
Quote from: writingprof on February 21, 2021, 11:21:14 AM
Friends, it has been a pleasure to commiserate and argue with you these many years. I joined the old fora in 2009 or so, if memory serves, and it would be difficult to overstate how helpful this community has been as I have moved through my career. They say that what one does online isn't "real life," but I have many happy memories of this place (and the old place) that suggest otherwise. I will miss it.
With love (and a bit of hate, for one or two of you),
Writingprof
Please have Mahoganny accompany you.
one thing I can tell you about liberals. They don't like diversity.
Yes, that's the takeaway. This is about those bad "liberals" who don't want "diversity".
Quote from: eigen on February 22, 2021, 09:07:04 AM
Quote from: mahagonny on February 22, 2021, 07:59:51 AM
Is this an answer to 'where do republicans go from here?'
Quote from: nebo113 on February 22, 2021, 05:29:16 AM
Quote from: writingprof on February 21, 2021, 11:21:14 AM
Friends, it has been a pleasure to commiserate and argue with you these many years. I joined the old fora in 2009 or so, if memory serves, and it would be difficult to overstate how helpful this community has been as I have moved through my career. They say that what one does online isn't "real life," but I have many happy memories of this place (and the old place) that suggest otherwise. I will miss it.
With love (and a bit of hate, for one or two of you),
Writingprof
Please have Mahoganny accompany you.
one thing I can tell you about liberals. They don't like diversity.
Yes, that's the takeaway. This is about those bad "liberals" who don't want "diversity".
He's not wrong though ...
Quote from: Descartes on February 22, 2021, 10:17:14 AM
Quote from: eigen on February 22, 2021, 09:07:04 AM
Quote from: mahagonny on February 22, 2021, 07:59:51 AM
Is this an answer to 'where do republicans go from here?'
Quote from: nebo113 on February 22, 2021, 05:29:16 AM
Quote from: writingprof on February 21, 2021, 11:21:14 AM
Friends, it has been a pleasure to commiserate and argue with you these many years. I joined the old fora in 2009 or so, if memory serves, and it would be difficult to overstate how helpful this community has been as I have moved through my career. They say that what one does online isn't "real life," but I have many happy memories of this place (and the old place) that suggest otherwise. I will miss it.
With love (and a bit of hate, for one or two of you),
Writingprof
Please have Mahoganny accompany you.
one thing I can tell you about liberals. They don't like diversity.
Yes, that's the takeaway. This is about those bad "liberals" who don't want "diversity".
He's not wrong though ...
It's such a ridiculously hyperbolic generalization that it is, in fact, wrong. Not to mention that it has zero connection to the discussion here.
QuoteFriends, it has been a pleasure to commiserate and argue with you these many years. I joined the old fora in 2009 or so, if memory serves, and it would be difficult to overstate how helpful this community has been as I have moved through my career. They say that what one does online isn't "real life," but I have many happy memories of this place (and the old place) that suggest otherwise. I will miss it.
With love (and a bit of hate, for one or two of you),
Writingprof
Glad that it served you well. But as with many things, once the usefulness has passed, it is time to move on!
The good news is that there is no deposit or minimum usage required. You can return if you choose later, perhaps.
I know I'm missing something.
Has someone been cancelled over moronic posts?
If so, should I worry?
Quote from: eigen on February 22, 2021, 10:19:02 AM
Quote from: Descartes on February 22, 2021, 10:17:14 AM
Quote from: eigen on February 22, 2021, 09:07:04 AM
Quote from: mahagonny on February 22, 2021, 07:59:51 AM
Is this an answer to 'where do republicans go from here?'
Quote from: nebo113 on February 22, 2021, 05:29:16 AM
Quote from: writingprof on February 21, 2021, 11:21:14 AM
Friends, it has been a pleasure to commiserate and argue with you these many years. I joined the old fora in 2009 or so, if memory serves, and it would be difficult to overstate how helpful this community has been as I have moved through my career. They say that what one does online isn't "real life," but I have many happy memories of this place (and the old place) that suggest otherwise. I will miss it.
With love (and a bit of hate, for one or two of you),
Writingprof
Please have Mahoganny accompany you.
one thing I can tell you about liberals. They don't like diversity.
Yes, that's the takeaway. This is about those bad "liberals" who don't want "diversity".
He's not wrong though ...
It's such a ridiculously hyperbolic generalization that it is, in fact, wrong. Not to mention that it has zero connection to the discussion here.
It has been so well documented that it doesn't need citation that people who dare to question liberal or leftist orthodoxy are often "canceled" because their very conversation or contribution to it is deemed dangerous.
I just googled "professor" and mixed it with several hot button social issues of the day and found plenty of examples.
Quote from: writingprof on February 21, 2021, 11:21:14 AM
Friends, it has been a pleasure to commiserate and argue with you these many years. I joined the old fora in 2009 or so, if memory serves, and it would be difficult to overstate how helpful this community has been as I have moved through my career. They say that what one does online isn't "real life," but I have many happy memories of this place (and the old place) that suggest otherwise. I will miss it.
With love (and a bit of hate, for one or two of you),
Writingprof
Aside from his razor sharp logic, the most endearing attribute of Writingprof's was his humor, a too rare commodity.
Quote from: Descartes on February 22, 2021, 11:50:24 AM
Quote from: eigen on February 22, 2021, 10:19:02 AM
Quote from: Descartes on February 22, 2021, 10:17:14 AM
Quote from: eigen on February 22, 2021, 09:07:04 AM
Quote from: mahagonny on February 22, 2021, 07:59:51 AM
Is this an answer to 'where do republicans go from here?'
Quote from: nebo113 on February 22, 2021, 05:29:16 AM
Quote from: writingprof on February 21, 2021, 11:21:14 AM
Friends, it has been a pleasure to commiserate and argue with you these many years. I joined the old fora in 2009 or so, if memory serves, and it would be difficult to overstate how helpful this community has been as I have moved through my career. They say that what one does online isn't "real life," but I have many happy memories of this place (and the old place) that suggest otherwise. I will miss it.
With love (and a bit of hate, for one or two of you),
Writingprof
Please have Mahoganny accompany you.
one thing I can tell you about liberals. They don't like diversity.
Yes, that's the takeaway. This is about those bad "liberals" who don't want "diversity".
He's not wrong though ...
It's such a ridiculously hyperbolic generalization that it is, in fact, wrong. Not to mention that it has zero connection to the discussion here.
It has been so well documented that it doesn't need citation that people who dare to question liberal or leftist orthodoxy are often "canceled" because their very conversation or contribution to it is deemed dangerous.
I just googled "professor" and mixed it with several hot button social issues of the day and found plenty of examples.
Again, a hyperbolic oversimplification. And again, zero connection to the discussion here.
Quote from: clean on February 22, 2021, 10:52:04 AM
QuoteFriends, it has been a pleasure to commiserate and argue with you these many years. I joined the old fora in 2009 or so, if memory serves, and it would be difficult to overstate how helpful this community has been as I have moved through my career. They say that what one does online isn't "real life," but I have many happy memories of this place (and the old place) that suggest otherwise. I will miss it.
With love (and a bit of hate, for one or two of you),
Writingprof
Glad that it served you well. But as with many things, once the usefulness has passed, it is time to move on!
The good news is that there is no deposit or minimum usage required. You can return if you choose later, perhaps.
Wait--there's no deposit required to use The Fora? Then I'm going to have to have a talk with the poster who collected that $300 deposit when I signed up. Now I'm beginning to have my suspicions about the sign-up fee too....
Quote from: apl68 on February 22, 2021, 01:26:09 PM
Quote from: clean on February 22, 2021, 10:52:04 AM
QuoteFriends, it has been a pleasure to commiserate and argue with you these many years. I joined the old fora in 2009 or so, if memory serves, and it would be difficult to overstate how helpful this community has been as I have moved through my career. They say that what one does online isn't "real life," but I have many happy memories of this place (and the old place) that suggest otherwise. I will miss it.
With love (and a bit of hate, for one or two of you),
Writingprof
Glad that it served you well. But as with many things, once the usefulness has passed, it is time to move on!
The good news is that there is no deposit or minimum usage required. You can return if you choose later, perhaps.
Wait--there's no deposit required to use The Fora? Then I'm going to have to have a talk with the poster who collected that $300 deposit when I signed up. Now I'm beginning to have my suspicions about the sign-up fee too....
Nope, totally legit
snack server costs. Don't ask questions....
Quote from: dismalist on February 22, 2021, 12:01:19 PM
Quote from: writingprof on February 21, 2021, 11:21:14 AM
Friends, it has been a pleasure to commiserate and argue with you these many years. I joined the old fora in 2009 or so, if memory serves, and it would be difficult to overstate how helpful this community has been as I have moved through my career. They say that what one does online isn't "real life," but I have many happy memories of this place (and the old place) that suggest otherwise. I will miss it.
With love (and a bit of hate, for one or two of you),
Writingprof
Aside from his razor sharp logic, the most endearing attribute of Writingprof's was his humor, a too rare commodity.
One of the most striking and validating things I read on this forum, for free, was from Writingprof, who stated it plainly. That is, that these days,
it is considered racist to notice certain things that are going on our midst. It was worth hanging around for that one alone. If I had to take a guess, I doubt that his opinion of the depressing ubiquity of the knee-jerk left among the professoriate was improved by the experience here.
Take some time off or just skip certain threads.
The speech police are out in force and that's just rough all around.
Consider putting certain posters on ignore for a while.
Quote from: polly_mer on February 22, 2021, 07:04:41 PMConsider putting certain posters on ignore for a while.
Is there actually an option to add posters to an ignore list? I've seen that feature on some other forums, but not this one.
Quote from: mleok on February 23, 2021, 05:41:02 AM
Quote from: polly_mer on February 22, 2021, 07:04:41 PMConsider putting certain posters on ignore for a while.
Is there actually an option to add posters to an ignore list? I've seen that feature on some other forums, but not this one.
It is in the dropdown menu in "Profile > Modify Profile."
You still see the posts of the people you are ignoring in the quotes of them by other people you are not ignoring.
Quote from: downer on February 23, 2021, 05:52:03 AM
Quote from: mleok on February 23, 2021, 05:41:02 AM
Quote from: polly_mer on February 22, 2021, 07:04:41 PMConsider putting certain posters on ignore for a while.
Is there actually an option to add posters to an ignore list? I've seen that feature on some other forums, but not this one.
It is in the dropdown menu in "Profile > Modify Profile."
You still see the posts of the people you are ignoring in the quotes of them by other people you are not ignoring.
Writingprof's found the ultimate solution.
As for ignoring the cancel culture and the anti-racism religious movement, here and in real life, the question presents itself to me and others like-minded: do you get more peace of mind by ignoring people who are poisoning us, or by doing your part to oppose them?
I'm a hell of a lot more worried about people who are underinformed about:
* risk
* science
* defense
* technology
* basic quantitative reasoning
* the difference between physical laws, emergent behavior in human society, and written laws
than any of the academic foolishness related to the games of being woke or anti-woke.
Stop fooling around in academic games and engage with the education that matters.
Quote from: polly_mer on February 23, 2021, 06:43:33 AM
I'm a hell of a lot more worried about people who are underinformed about:
* risk
* science
* defense
* technology
* basic quantitative reasoning
* the difference between physical laws, emergent behavior in human society, and written laws
than any of the academic foolishness related to the games of being woke or anti-woke.
Stop fooling around in academic games and engage with the education that matters.
It's foolishness if either (1) it is effectively opposed by common sense argument to get over the silly slavery/Jim Crow segregation guilt fixation, an opposition that could, hopefully, emerge from wider America or if (2) the wokelings and the antiracists end up fighting among each other about who should get what portions of reparations and special consideration and on what basis, causing disintegration of the alliance. If neither of these things happens, it's pretty serious stuff.
"Speech police"? Pish foo.
Writingprof wrote with some verve and intelligence. Was he funny? Sometimes, in the same way farting loudly in church can be funny. But more to the point, he consciously played the troll role, and perhaps he found the fora not welcoming that behavior. That's not necessarily a bad thing. And he will land on his feet somewhere else.
Quote from: little bongo on February 25, 2021, 07:00:09 AM
"Speech police"? Pish foo.
Writingprof wrote with some verve and intelligence. Was he funny? Sometimes, in the same way farting loudly in church can be funny. But more to the point, he consciously played the troll role, and perhaps he found the fora not welcoming that behavior. That's not necessarily a bad thing. And he will land on his feet somewhere else.
It was frustrating to me to see someone capable of writing with verve and intelligence wasting his time performing as a troll. He could have probably made some worthwhile contributions if he hadn't gone down that blind alley.
One thing I appreciated about Writingprof in contrast to so many in the academic life was his honesty around one particular issue, adjunctification. As with many topics, he hinted that he had thought about it quite a lot, but affected a halfway engaged relationship with the forum, so the posts were terse. (Shades of Prytania2). Yet never as far I as recall would have been niggardly enough to begrudge adjuncts a union (and neither did our old conservative friend Pry). As regards adjunctification, he didn't whine about the defunding of higher education, that discussion being a rationale for vastly increased hiring of part time faculty. Whereas obviously whoever decides to publicly fund higher education does not force anyone thereby to maintain a two-tier labor system of ever widening disparity, and he would have noticed that, and not being on board with much of higher education's particular style of viewing itself as benevolent, just quietly accepted the status quo. The icing on the cake was the mix of cynicism and libertarianism.
And yes, I absolutely believe (do I dare go here?) that legal abortion makes his heart sick. When something quacks and walks like a duck and has feathers and a bill, it's a duck.
Quote from: mahagonny on February 25, 2021, 08:04:11 AM
One thing I appreciated about Writingprof in contrast to so many in the academic life was his honesty around one particular issue, adjunctification. As with many topics, he hinted that he had thought about it quite a lot, but affected a halfway engaged relationship with the forum, so the posts were terse. (Shades of Prytania2). Yet never as far I as recall would have been niggardly enough to begrudge adjuncts a union (and neither did our old conservative friend Pry). As regards adjunctification, he didn't whine about the defunding of higher education, that discussion being a rationale for vastly increased hiring of part time faculty. Whereas obviously whoever decides to publicly fund higher education does not force anyone thereby to maintain a two-tier labor system of ever widening disparity, and he would have noticed that, and not being on board with much of higher education's particular style of viewing itself as benevolent, just quietly accepted the status quo. The icing on the cake was the mix of cynicism and libertarianism.
And yes, I absolutely believe (do I dare go here?) that legal abortion makes his heart sick. When something quacks and walks like a duck and has feathers and a bill, it's a duck.
It's like an immutable law of the forum. No matter what the starting topic was, you can bring it around to adjunctification and snipe at other users views within a page or less.
Please, I urge you, review the forum guidelines with respect to "baggage" and meditate on what that means.
Quote from: eigen on February 25, 2021, 09:42:54 AM
Quote from: mahagonny on February 25, 2021, 08:04:11 AM
One thing I appreciated about Writingprof in contrast to so many in the academic life was his honesty around one particular issue, adjunctification. As with many topics, he hinted that he had thought about it quite a lot, but affected a halfway engaged relationship with the forum, so the posts were terse. (Shades of Prytania2). Yet never as far I as recall would have been niggardly enough to begrudge adjuncts a union (and neither did our old conservative friend Pry). As regards adjunctification, he didn't whine about the defunding of higher education, that discussion being a rationale for vastly increased hiring of part time faculty. Whereas obviously whoever decides to publicly fund higher education does not force anyone thereby to maintain a two-tier labor system of ever widening disparity, and he would have noticed that, and not being on board with much of higher education's particular style of viewing itself as benevolent, just quietly accepted the status quo. The icing on the cake was the mix of cynicism and libertarianism.
And yes, I absolutely believe (do I dare go here?) that legal abortion makes his heart sick. When something quacks and walks like a duck and has feathers and a bill, it's a duck.
It's like an immutable law of the forum. No matter what the starting topic was, you can bring it around to adjunctification and snipe at other users views within a page or less.
Please, I urge you, review the forum guidelines with respect to "baggage" and meditate on what that means.
You've been on this thread six times already and you didn't even like Writingprof. You're more negative than me.
I can understand laying low for a while or starting a new moniker but I can never imagine leaving. Hands down the most useful advice I can get for my job is found right here, even from some of the more difficult people.
Quote from: mahagonny on February 25, 2021, 10:37:20 AM
Quote from: eigen on February 25, 2021, 09:42:54 AM
Quote from: mahagonny on February 25, 2021, 08:04:11 AM
One thing I appreciated about Writingprof in contrast to so many in the academic life was his honesty around one particular issue, adjunctification. As with many topics, he hinted that he had thought about it quite a lot, but affected a halfway engaged relationship with the forum, so the posts were terse. (Shades of Prytania2). Yet never as far I as recall would have been niggardly enough to begrudge adjuncts a union (and neither did our old conservative friend Pry). As regards adjunctification, he didn't whine about the defunding of higher education, that discussion being a rationale for vastly increased hiring of part time faculty. Whereas obviously whoever decides to publicly fund higher education does not force anyone thereby to maintain a two-tier labor system of ever widening disparity, and he would have noticed that, and not being on board with much of higher education's particular style of viewing itself as benevolent, just quietly accepted the status quo. The icing on the cake was the mix of cynicism and libertarianism.
And yes, I absolutely believe (do I dare go here?) that legal abortion makes his heart sick. When something quacks and walks like a duck and has feathers and a bill, it's a duck.
It's like an immutable law of the forum. No matter what the starting topic was, you can bring it around to adjunctification and snipe at other users views within a page or less.
Please, I urge you, review the forum guidelines with respect to "baggage" and meditate on what that means.
You've been on this thread six times already and you didn't even like Writingprof. You're more negative than me.
What in the world makes you think I don't like Writingprof? I've never had a problem with them, nor have any of my posts here been directed at them. Nor would they be, since WP hasn't logged in since the original post.
Quote from: eigen on February 25, 2021, 12:15:09 PM
Quote from: mahagonny on February 25, 2021, 10:37:20 AM
Quote from: eigen on February 25, 2021, 09:42:54 AM
Quote from: mahagonny on February 25, 2021, 08:04:11 AM
One thing I appreciated about Writingprof in contrast to so many in the academic life was his honesty around one particular issue, adjunctification. As with many topics, he hinted that he had thought about it quite a lot, but affected a halfway engaged relationship with the forum, so the posts were terse. (Shades of Prytania2). Yet never as far I as recall would have been niggardly enough to begrudge adjuncts a union (and neither did our old conservative friend Pry). As regards adjunctification, he didn't whine about the defunding of higher education, that discussion being a rationale for vastly increased hiring of part time faculty. Whereas obviously whoever decides to publicly fund higher education does not force anyone thereby to maintain a two-tier labor system of ever widening disparity, and he would have noticed that, and not being on board with much of higher education's particular style of viewing itself as benevolent, just quietly accepted the status quo. The icing on the cake was the mix of cynicism and libertarianism.
And yes, I absolutely believe (do I dare go here?) that legal abortion makes his heart sick. When something quacks and walks like a duck and has feathers and a bill, it's a duck.
It's like an immutable law of the forum. No matter what the starting topic was, you can bring it around to adjunctification and snipe at other users views within a page or less.
Please, I urge you, review the forum guidelines with respect to "baggage" and meditate on what that means.
You've been on this thread six times already and you didn't even like Writingprof. You're more negative than me.
What in the world makes you think I don't like Writingprof? I've never had a problem with them, nor have any of my posts here been directed at them. Nor would they be, since WP hasn't logged in since the original post.
OK. You're saying it. I guess it's my fora duty to take you at your word. I don't recall you ever sticking up for his right to free speech when the mob was calling him a troll and asking others to ignore. I did stick up for him. Which in retrospect probably only made it worse for him.
Quote from: polly_mer on February 23, 2021, 06:43:33 AM
I'm a hell of a lot more worried about people who are underinformed about:
* risk
* science
* defense
* technology
* basic quantitative reasoning
* the difference between physical laws, emergent behavior in human society, and written laws
than any of the academic foolishness related to the games of being woke or anti-woke.
Stop fooling around in academic games and engage with the education that matters.
Polly you are like the mythical Priestess of Apollo, Cassandra: born with the gift of prophecy but cursed never to be believed.
Quote from: mahagonny on February 25, 2021, 12:18:36 PM
Quote from: eigen on February 25, 2021, 12:15:09 PM
Quote from: mahagonny on February 25, 2021, 10:37:20 AM
Quote from: eigen on February 25, 2021, 09:42:54 AM
Quote from: mahagonny on February 25, 2021, 08:04:11 AM
One thing I appreciated about Writingprof in contrast to so many in the academic life was his honesty around one particular issue, adjunctification. As with many topics, he hinted that he had thought about it quite a lot, but affected a halfway engaged relationship with the forum, so the posts were terse. (Shades of Prytania2). Yet never as far I as recall would have been niggardly enough to begrudge adjuncts a union (and neither did our old conservative friend Pry). As regards adjunctification, he didn't whine about the defunding of higher education, that discussion being a rationale for vastly increased hiring of part time faculty. Whereas obviously whoever decides to publicly fund higher education does not force anyone thereby to maintain a two-tier labor system of ever widening disparity, and he would have noticed that, and not being on board with much of higher education's particular style of viewing itself as benevolent, just quietly accepted the status quo. The icing on the cake was the mix of cynicism and libertarianism.
And yes, I absolutely believe (do I dare go here?) that legal abortion makes his heart sick. When something quacks and walks like a duck and has feathers and a bill, it's a duck.
It's like an immutable law of the forum. No matter what the starting topic was, you can bring it around to adjunctification and snipe at other users views within a page or less.
Please, I urge you, review the forum guidelines with respect to "baggage" and meditate on what that means.
You've been on this thread six times already and you didn't even like Writingprof. You're more negative than me.
What in the world makes you think I don't like Writingprof? I've never had a problem with them, nor have any of my posts here been directed at them. Nor would they be, since WP hasn't logged in since the original post.
OK. You're saying it. I guess it's my fora duty to take you at your word. I don't recall you ever sticking up for his right to free speech when the mob was calling him a troll and asking others to ignore. I did stick up for him. Which probably only made it worse for him.
I mean, I consider the fact that I pay out of pocket for and manage the platform that he was able to use for his free speech and the fact that I did not restrict his speech to be pretty damn supportive. But I guess that doesn't mean much to you in the scheme of things.
I also support other people's right to free speech, which includes them calling him a troll. And their right to free association through the use of the ignore function. And your right to free speech to stick up for him.
It means a lot that you pay out of pocket and manage the platform. I hope it's not a lot of money. It explains why you didn't stick up for Writingprof with words when he was being called a troll, because you were already doing your duty. I wasn't aware you pay out of pocket to keep the fora going. I'm thinking now I might stop coming here, because arguably you should have more control over what is acceptable here, and I doubt I could agree with you on what that would be. May I recommend, in the interest of full disclosure, you name it 'Eigen's Place?'
A group of people labelling someone a troll is free speech and not an illegitimate attempt to evict a poster? I think the jury's still out on that one. Intelligent people can disagree.
on edit: this might be interesting, or maybe not. I used to frequent an online self-labelled conservative group, include many with PhD, where I estimate 50% of the posters here would be called a troll. They don't like diversity either. That's life in the twenty-first century I guess.
More than 1,000 views, woo hoo! Hello everyone! May peace prevail in the hearts and minds of all who read this post.
Quote from: mahagonny on February 25, 2021, 12:45:38 PM
It means a lot that you pay out of pocket and manage the platform. I hope it's not a lot of money. It explains why you didn't stick up for Writingprof with words when he was being called a troll, because you were already doing your duty. I wasn't aware you pay out of pocket to keep the fora going. I'm thinking now I might stop coming here, because arguably you should have more control over what is acceptable here, and I doubt I could agree with you on what that would be. May I recommend, in the interest of full disclosure, you name it 'Eigen's Place?'
A group of people labelling someone a troll is free speech and not an illegitimate attempt to evict a poster? I think the jury's still out on that one. Intelligent people can disagree.
on edit: this might be interesting, or maybe not. I used to frequent an online self-labelled conservative group, include many with PhD, where I estimate 50% of the posters here would be called a troll. They don't like diversity either. That's life in the twenty-first century I guess.
So... you're upset that I have made a place that the community can use and don't censor people because it might give me too much control if I decided to change how I do things in the future? You're kind of exhausting, sometimes.
You try to do nice things for people....
You're upset because you would have me banned, but you're outvoted.
edited to add: I can't write about why I liked Writingprof without offending you. He never misrepresented the soul of higher education by claiming it wants the best for everyone. I considered that refreshing, if nothing more.
Outvoted by whom? eigen has never put the possibility of banning you to a vote, nor has he pushed to ban you.
Quote from: mahagonny on February 25, 2021, 02:13:21 PM
You're upset because you would have me banned, but you're outvoted.
edited to add: I can't write about why I liked Writingprof without offending you. He never misrepresented the soul of higher education by claiming it wants the best for everyone. I considered that refreshing, if nothing more.
I really appreciate your posts in this thread.
They've been a good reminder of how much some people here value the time and effort I put into maintaining this community (apparently none).
Quote from: eigen on February 25, 2021, 02:45:10 PM
Quote from: mahagonny on February 25, 2021, 02:13:21 PM
You're upset because you would have me banned, but you're outvoted.
edited to add: I can't write about why I liked Writingprof without offending you. He never misrepresented the soul of higher education by claiming it wants the best for everyone. I considered that refreshing, if nothing more.
I really appreciate your posts in this thread.
They've been a good reminder of how much some people here value the time and effort I put into maintaining this community (apparently none).
Thank you for funding and running the forum, but I suspect it's not working out for you with me here.
Quote from: mahagonny on February 25, 2021, 02:53:45 PM
Quote from: eigen on February 25, 2021, 02:45:10 PM
Quote from: mahagonny on February 25, 2021, 02:13:21 PM
You're upset because you would have me banned, but you're outvoted.
edited to add: I can't write about why I liked Writingprof without offending you. He never misrepresented the soul of higher education by claiming it wants the best for everyone. I considered that refreshing, if nothing more.
I really appreciate your posts in this thread.
They've been a good reminder of how much some people here value the time and effort I put into maintaining this community (apparently none).
Thank you for funding and running the forum, but I suspect it's not working out for you with me here.
Generally, I have no problem with you here, and have no idea why you think I do. Do I wish you would stop making every thread you enter about you and a particular subset of issues? Yes. Does that mean I think you should be silenced or banned? No.
To be fair, right now I'm pretty pissed because you keep making assumptions about me and accusing me of things despite years of me doing the exact opposite of what you're accusing me of.
Quote from: eigen on February 25, 2021, 03:33:19 PM
Quote from: mahagonny on February 25, 2021, 02:53:45 PM
Quote from: eigen on February 25, 2021, 02:45:10 PM
Quote from: mahagonny on February 25, 2021, 02:13:21 PM
You're upset because you would have me banned, but you're outvoted.
edited to add: I can't write about why I liked Writingprof without offending you. He never misrepresented the soul of higher education by claiming it wants the best for everyone. I considered that refreshing, if nothing more.
I really appreciate your posts in this thread.
They've been a good reminder of how much some people here value the time and effort I put into maintaining this community (apparently none).
Thank you for funding and running the forum, but I suspect it's not working out for you with me here.
Generally, I have no problem with you here, and have no idea why you think I do. Do I wish you would stop making every thread you enter about you and a particular subset of issues? Yes. Does that mean I think you should be silenced or banned? No.
You don't want to hear the terminal adjunct perspective, period.
I can't say what others want to hear, but I'm willing to listen to many perspectives. But some of us. are just tired of some others with their own relentless limited perspective. But this is largely a free forum. So, keep at it.
By my count, on this thread, Mahagonny has posted 11 of the 42 total posts. While the posts account for nearly 25% of o the volume, the Value Added is much less significant.
While i have not yet gone as far as to block him/her, as I havent had the time to deal with it, IF I were to block anyone Mahagonny would, sorry to say be in the top 3 of the list, and frankly I d be hard pressed to identify the other 2 on the list!
But IF this is Mahagonny's primary form of entertainment, then that is fine with me, and I can skim or skip his/her replies.
Perhaps in addition to a first post, everyone should be required to read (and pass a test! ) on Dale Carnegie's How To Win Friends and Influence. In addition, perhaps a daily posting limit would also be appropriate as an attempt to encourage self sensorship.
but what do i know?
The advice is worth twice what you paid for it!!
Good luck to all, and thanks especially to Eigen for taking the initiative to host the platform!
Quote from: clean on February 25, 2021, 05:06:54 PM
By my count, on this thread, Mahagonny has posted 11 of the 42 total posts. While the posts account for nearly 25% of o the volume, the Value Added is much less significant.
While i have not yet gone as far as to block him/her, as I havent had the time to deal with it, IF I were to block anyone Mahagonny would, sorry to say be in the top 3 of the list, and frankly I d be hard pressed to identify the other 2 on the list!
But IF this is Mahagonny's primary form of entertainment, then that is fine with me, and I can skim or skip his/her replies.
Perhaps in addition to a first post, everyone should be required to read (and pass a test! ) on Dale Carnegie's How To Win Friends and Influence. In addition, perhaps a daily posting limit would also be appropriate as an attempt to encourage self sensorship.
but what do i know?
The advice is worth twice what you paid for it!!
Good luck to all, and thanks especially to Eigen for taking the initiative to host the platform!
Do what you want. Eigen broadsided me with reply #25. i was just trying to explain why I liked Writingprof, which is on topic.
on edit: also, reply #2. I thought we had a rule, don't start a thread attacking other posters.
#12 of 42.
Dont let an opportunity to add nothing slip by!
And we see that "turn the other cheek" & "Forgive and Forget" were not lessons learned or practiced.
Eigen, Tell us again how to 'block' people, please?
(Yes, I'll regret throwing this corpse in the piranha pool, but the swirling fins are so delightful . . .)
Regarding the implication that calling WP a troll was some sort of undeserved bullying: He did, in fact, confirm it himself.
Quote from: writingprof on January 09, 2021, 01:38:09 PM
Quote from: ergative on January 09, 2021, 10:28:05 AM
Quote from: writingprof on January 09, 2021, 06:25:33 AM
Comma-Luh
What are you trying to do here? Do you actually want to engage in discussion, or are you just trolling?
Why can't both be true?
Quote from: ergative on February 26, 2021, 12:56:28 AM
Regarding the implication that calling WP a troll was some sort of undeserved bullying: He did, in fact, confirm it himself.
On kind of a side note, I wonder how much of that is embracing a label created by someone else? For instance, I've never done anything that I would consider intentional "trolling", but when I've taken unpopular positions on certain things I have been accused of not acting in "good faith". Like calling certain language a "dog whistle", it seems to be a way to dismiss someone else's argument without actually having to address any of its points.
So if someone called me a troll for making an unpopular argument, I wouldn't necessarily fight the label if the implication were that I had to abandon my position to "prove" my "good faith".
Quote from: marshwiggle on February 26, 2021, 04:30:34 AM
Quote from: ergative on February 26, 2021, 12:56:28 AM
Regarding the implication that calling WP a troll was some sort of undeserved bullying: He did, in fact, confirm it himself.
On kind of a side note, I wonder how much of that is embracing a label created by someone else? For instance, I've never done anything that I would consider intentional "trolling", but when I've taken unpopular positions on certain things I have been accused of not acting in "good faith". Like calling certain language a "dog whistle", it seems to be a way to dismiss someone else's argument without actually having to address any of its points.
So if someone called me a troll for making an unpopular argument, I wouldn't necessarily fight the label if the implication were that I had to abandon my position to "prove" my "good faith".
By the time ergative's post happened Writingprof had been called a troll for months, so denying it would have only give life to the debate. And as I posted earlier I think Writingprof affected a minimally engaged persona anyway. So being called a troll would not have ruined his weekend in any event.
It is true that the "troll" term is bandied about for daring to question orthodoxy. True trolling, in its purest form, is what appears on most comments sections of press articles; i.e. "Everybody knows most blacks are criminals," or "Men wearing dresses aren't women anymore than I'm a car when I sit in my garage."
I've never (or perhaps only once or twice?) seen actual trolling such as that on this fora or its predecessor. Someone else pointed this out when the other one was winding down. It does seem that the label gets applied to anyone who questions the popular groupthink.
I would posit that the overuse of the label runs the same risks that overusing the labels of racism, sexism, or other ism's at any perceived slight; namely, that the time will arrive when the label can't be taken seriously any longer because it's simply a knee jerk taunt hurled at someone whom one does not wish to debate.
Quote from: Descartes on February 26, 2021, 08:19:48 AM
It is true that the "troll" term is bandied about for daring to question orthodoxy. True trolling, in its purest form, is what appears on most comments sections of press articles; i.e. "Everybody knows most blacks are criminals," or "Men wearing dresses aren't women anymore than I'm a car when I sit in my garage."
I've never (or perhaps only once or twice?) seen actual trolling such as that on this fora or its predecessor. Someone else pointed this out when the other one was winding down. It does seem that the label gets applied to anyone who questions the popular groupthink.
I would posit that the overuse of the label runs the same risks that overusing the labels of racism, sexism, or other ism's at any perceived slight; namely, that the time will arrive when the label can't be taken seriously any longer because it's simply a knee jerk taunt hurled at someone whom one does not wish to debate.
Or the overuse of the label is encouraged for the group thinking majority, followed by a ritual of public humiliation and shaming.
"The last straw came in January 2020, when I attended a mandatory Residence Life staff retreat focused on racial issues. The hired facilitators asked each member of the department to respond to various personal questions about race and racial identity. When it was my turn to respond, I said, "I don't feel comfortable talking about that." I was the only person in the room to abstain.
Later, the facilitators told everyone present that a white person's discomfort at discussing their race is a symptom of "white fragility." They said that the white person may seem like they are in distress, but that it is actually a "power play." In other words, because I am white, my genuine discomfort was framed as an act of aggression. I was shamed and humiliated in front of all of my colleagues. "
https://nypost.com/2021/02/25/toxic-wokeness-taints-a-campus-and-causes-liberal-staffer-to-resign/
I see why you gave up.
Quote from: mahagonny on April 04, 2021, 07:50:01 AM
I see why you gave up.
Maybe you should, too, though you do provide a certain amusement value on slow days.
As you wish, friend.
Quote from: mahagonny on April 04, 2021, 08:38:00 AM
As you wish, friend.
Referring to me as "friend" is presumptuous. But then, presumption is your calling card.
Quote from: nebo113 on April 05, 2021, 04:20:22 AM
Quote from: mahagonny on April 04, 2021, 08:38:00 AM
As you wish, friend.
Referring to me as "friend" is presumptuous. But then, presumption is your calling card.
Right, we are not friends. So why would I want your advice? Duh
Quote from: mahagonny on April 05, 2021, 05:00:00 PM
Quote from: nebo113 on April 05, 2021, 04:20:22 AM
Quote from: mahagonny on April 04, 2021, 08:38:00 AM
As you wish, friend.
Referring to me as "friend" is presumptuous. But then, presumption is your calling card.
Right, we are not friends. So why would I want your advice? Duh
Oh goody. I'll give you the last word. TeeHee.
Quote from: Descartes on February 26, 2021, 08:19:48 AM
It is true that the "troll" term is bandied about for daring to question orthodoxy. True trolling, in its purest form, is what appears on most comments sections of press articles; i.e. "Everybody knows most blacks are criminals," or "Men wearing dresses aren't women anymore than I'm a car when I sit in my garage."
I've never (or perhaps only once or twice?) seen actual trolling such as that on this fora or its predecessor. Someone else pointed this out when the other one was winding down. It does seem that the label gets applied to anyone who questions the popular groupthink.
I would posit that the overuse of the label runs the same risks that overusing the labels of racism, sexism, or other ism's at any perceived slight; namely, that the time will arrive when the label can't be taken seriously any longer because it's simply a knee jerk taunt hurled at someone whom one does not wish to debate.
Its a weird term. The idea of a troll is someone whose primary motivation is to provoke a reaction. I think because of that, sometimes people apply that label to people whose posts infuriate them. That doesn't really make someone a troll if the person is expressing sincerely held beliefs. The person might be annoying or tiresome and their ideas might be stupid or offensive, but it's not trolling.
The behavior problems on here don't involve a lot of trolling, there are a lot of other ways to behave poorly...
WP will be back in disguise, if he/she doesn't already remain as an alt that was here all along while the character of WP was still active.
Quote from: lightning on April 06, 2021, 07:40:33 AM
WP will be back in disguise, if he/she doesn't already remain as an alt that was here all along while the character of WP was still active.
How common do you think this is? Is it something you think is done by people with
unpopular viewpoints? Is it something done by people with
bad motives and immoral principles? Do you think this is what most people who say they are leaving do?
(Anyone know of any research regarding how common this is in online communication?)
My main regret now is that I do not know who Writingprof is in real life, so I cannot look for his publications or study with him. But I once had a teacher who said 'if you spend $20 on book and there's only one sentence in it that brings your craft forward, it was a great purchase.' (This was 1972 dollars, so figure, like $100 today).
Ergo, this is a great forum! And BTW maybe I'll do WP from now on. I don't have his erudition, but once I get going, I can be a real shithead.
He was a writing prof, not a reading prof.
Quote from: Parasaurolophus on April 06, 2021, 11:22:25 AM
He was a writing prof, not a reading prof.
Actually reading posts before responding to them seems to be a problem for a number of people on here...
Quote from: Caracal on April 06, 2021, 05:55:18 PM
Quote from: Parasaurolophus on April 06, 2021, 11:22:25 AM
He was a writing prof, not a reading prof.
Actually reading posts before responding to them seems to be a problem for a number of people on here...
And like magic, I've found my new signature.