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Title: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: nebo113 on August 28, 2020, 05:56:09 AM
NYT dropped SET, so in addition to the crossword, I'm been trying Spelling Bee.  However, I'm frustrated because it rejects perfectly good words, solid English language words that are in dictionaries.  Any body else doing Spelling Bee?
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: mahagonny on August 28, 2020, 06:11:29 AM
I will try it as soon as I find out whether 'black' must be capitalized.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: fleabite on August 28, 2020, 07:59:45 AM
I do the Spelling Bee in the print edition. The instructions say that you can count any words you come up with that are in the dictionary but not in the list of answers. I'm guessing from your comment that the electronic edition has a fill-in-the-blanks interface that is rejecting some of your submissions. Maybe their standard dictionary is different from the one you use? For example, some dictionaries demand hyphens for certain words and others consider them non-hyphenated.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: ciao_yall on August 28, 2020, 09:02:22 AM
Yeah, I do the free version online every day which cuts you off after a few words. They used to let you do the whole thing for free, but I think they got tired of me and others sending them words they missed. RAFFIA, PAPAIN...

I love the print one on Sundays. Like fleabite I check words in the dictionary and if they are there, I go for it.

I get to genius level. Eventually.

Have you tried LetterBoxed?
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: ab_grp on August 28, 2020, 09:36:12 AM
I do Spelling Bee every day on the app, along with the crosswords.  Today was the first (and probably last) day that I got Queen Bee all by myself and in only an hour or so! Usually my husband and I work on it independently throughout the day, then compare lists, then... a little nerdy, but we each wrote computer programs to help find the remaining words.  I wrote mine in R, he wrote his in some language on his Linux system (Perl?).  They go about the process differently, so we usually find all of them eventually.  I also found a site that will give you the answers (you have to click a button to see them, so they aren't just readily visible on this site: https://nytbee.com/).  It also gives metrics for words seen most often, number of words of a particular length, etc.  We only look at that after all else has been exhausted.  My R program currently just checks against the Hunspell dictionary, which tends to leave some more technical words out, and his spits out way too many possible words.  So I am trying to build an actual Spelling Bee dictionary to check against by copying the words out from that site and making a database.  Sometimes there are words that we think should be in there that aren't, and some of the words that are in there are pretty wacky.  As far as I know, the Spelling Bee dictionary is not available.  From the NYT website, they describe it as curated.  But it certainly isn't the same as the crossword, for example.  There are a bunch we kick ourselves over and then try to remember going forward (acacia, acai, lulu, whatever that c word was yesterday, words that can have two spelling variations included).

Of course the fun is in trying to solve it yourself! But we are also using this as a programming exercise.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: Parasaurolophus on August 28, 2020, 09:59:10 AM
NYT dropped SET, so in addition to the crossword, I'm been trying Spelling Bee.  However, I'm frustrated because it rejects perfectly good words, solid English language words that are in dictionaries.  Any body else doing Spelling Bee?

Yes! I do it every day. I generally manage to get genius and the pangram; Queen Bee is tougher. I get that a couple times a week, these days (but my first one was just a month or two ago).

But yeah, it rejects all kinds of legitimate words (including, but not limited to, any non-American spellings). I also find it incredibly frustrating. The puzzles also seem to repeat a fair bit, albeit occasionally with a different central letter. =/
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: Boomvang on August 28, 2020, 12:23:57 PM
I, too, do the Spelling Bee every day on my phone (the paid version, which costs a little extra but is worth it). I keep going until I reach the Genius level, although occasionally I fall a bit short. I have assembled lists of words that are not accepted and I have emailed the NYT puzzlemasters about this a few times. In some cases, they have added words from the list. I encourage you to email them about words that they do not accept--the more of us who do so, the better the chances that they will instate them! I have also emailed them about reusing the same puzzle and just changing the letter in the center. The reply indicated that they are concerned about reaching the ceiling for variants of the puzzle.

I send my emails to: nytcrossword@nyt.com. Last time, they informed me that words suggestions should be sent to: buzzwords@nyt.com
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: ab_grp on August 28, 2020, 12:43:59 PM
I, too, do the Spelling Bee every day on my phone (the paid version, which costs a little extra but is worth it). I keep going until I reach the Genius level, although occasionally I fall a bit short. I have assembled lists of words that are not accepted and I have emailed the NYT puzzlemasters about this a few times. In some cases, they have added words from the list. I encourage you to email them about words that they do not accept--the more of us who do so, the better the chances that they will instate them! I have also emailed them about reusing the same puzzle and just changing the letter in the center. The reply indicated that they are concerned about reaching the ceiling for variants of the puzzle.

I send my emails to: nytcrossword@nyt.com. Last time, they informed me that words suggestions should be sent to: buzzwords@nyt.com

Thanks for bringing this up! We noticed the note about emailing acceptable words but always wondered what happens when you do.  It sounds as if they at least responded.  Did they let you know if there is a particular process for adjudication? One thing I'm torn about is whether I want them to add words in as time goes on.  On the one hand, they should be in there if they fit the criteria.  On the other hand, I have a mental list of "not in there but should be" and don't tend to check them again, so if they do add words in I would like to know! Can you say a little more about your experiences emailing the powers that be?
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: evil_physics_witchcraft on August 28, 2020, 01:01:11 PM
I do the free version as well, but I haven't played in awhile since they started cutting you off after a few words.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: Boomvang on August 28, 2020, 01:14:34 PM
ab_grp:
They have responded to my emails every time. In general, their reasoning for finding words on my list unsuitable for inclusion has been that the words are not common enough. My reply was something to the effect of: as a Ph.D., I realize that I'm not the best judge, but in my view these words are common, and the Spelling Bee puzzles' own master list often includes words that are unfamiliar to me. 
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: ab_grp on August 28, 2020, 01:54:55 PM
Thanks for the additional detail, Boomvang.  It's great that they are so responsive, although some of their rulings seem pretty arbitrary.  This goes for compound words as well.  I shake my head at some of what's in there and some of what's not.  According to their site (https://help.nytimes.com/hc/en-us/articles/360029050872-Word-Games-and-Logic-Puzzles),

5. Why isn't every word in Spelling Bee?

Every Spelling Bee puzzle is hand-curated to focus on relatively common words (with a couple tough ones here and there to keep it challenging). Occasionally we'll miss some common words and add them in, but our puzzle editors ultimately draw from our internal lexicon and make the call for what's best with that day's puzzle.

The key word here is 'common'. We just removed words from Spelling Bee that we believe are not common enough, despite them being defined words, in order to maintain a level-field for all of our solvers.

We also try to avoid terms that are very specific to any professional field, such as terms that might be familiar to, for example, a physician, ornithologist or geologist, but not to people outside of that field of expertise.


Like I said, it seems a bit arbitrary.  It seems that some "common" words are not so common, even to those who are word game fanatics and etc.  And there are some in the puzzle that definitely seem pretty specific.  Maybe they are just outside my wheelhouse.  For example, "lamella(e)"? My husband identified those two (and promptly forgot to the next time they appeared), but only due to a weird discussion he happened to have with our dentist at one point.  Yet, "aroar", which is a NYT crossword fave, is not apparently a word.  Not the best example, but I can't think of others right now that we come across pretty often.  They also seem to take an arbitrary approach to which foreign words (currency, foods) are allowed.  The site I linked above also lists valid dictionary words that do not appear in each day's puzzle, if that is of interest.

I do wonder if they ever add words in.  I'm going to start keeping track of what we think should be in there, email the powers, see what happens, and report back.  I will also try to pay better attention to whether words that I don't think counted before do now.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: Parasaurolophus on August 28, 2020, 02:24:38 PM
'Lich' still isn't one, but anybody who's played any RPGs (tabletop or video) knows it, and that's... a lot of people these days. 'Afro' wasn't one recently, but a friend wrote to them about it. I think it counts now. A few times I've found pangrams that didn't count, and that was pretty annoying.

There are just so, so many, though. I can't keep track of them all. As for words that don't seem common... from yesterday's puzzle: boba, callaloo, clonal (I mean, sure, it's the adjective, but when have you ever come across it?), colcannon, and llano.

Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: ab_grp on August 28, 2020, 02:36:41 PM
There are just so, so many, though. I can't keep track of them all. As for words that don't seem common... from yesterday's puzzle: boba, callaloo, clonal (I mean, sure, it's the adjective, but when have you ever come across it?), colcannon, and llano.

Yesssssssssssssssssssssssss.  Yes.  I was thinking callaloo specifically, but all of the above, and llano always gets us.  OH! Also, they include things like "doggo", "dunno", and "gonna"? And no "yoyo" (okay, maybe a brand name at one point, but still), "nono", "bobby",  but they'll take "bootee" and both "bandana" and "bandanna".  I do like to learn new words, like "dugong", and "tantara", which is apparently short for "taratantara".
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: ciao_yall on August 28, 2020, 03:19:28 PM
I always wonder how they create the puzzle and decide where the level cut-offs are. Like it's that scientific...
 
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: ab_grp on August 28, 2020, 03:26:12 PM
I haven't calculated all the levels, but Genius is approximately 70% of the total number of points.  I would guess the other levels are similar? Looks like Amazing is about 50% today.  Great is about 40%.  I use the reverse to figure out from Genius how many total points to expect.  Is that what you were asking, ciao_yall?
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: Parasaurolophus on August 28, 2020, 07:06:09 PM
Yeah, it looked to me like it was percentage-based, too.

Good call on 'yoyo'. I try it every time.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: fleabite on August 28, 2020, 07:24:43 PM
And no "yoyo" (okay, maybe a brand name at one point, but still), "nono", "bobby",  but they'll take "bootee" and both "bandana" and "bandanna".

At least in the print version, the words you construct have to have at least five letters, so "yo-yo" wouldn't qualify. Also, it's hyphenated, and hyphenated words are also no-nos.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: nebo113 on August 29, 2020, 05:34:11 AM
Glad to know I'm not the only frustrated speller.  Why don't they just use a standard dictionary??  And, boyoboy, I wish NYT would re-instate SET.  I don't like the online free version I found.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: ab_grp on September 03, 2020, 12:38:57 PM
Okay, there is a word today that is not in the puzzle that I definitely think should be! It's a pretty common word! I am going to use this as my experiment to write to the powers.  I'm sure I won't be the only one.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: Parasaurolophus on September 03, 2020, 12:42:28 PM
Okay, there is a word today that is not in the puzzle that I definitely think should be! It's a pretty common word! I am going to use this as my experiment to write to the powers.  I'm sure I won't be the only one.

Eight letters? It should absolutely be counted. There's a bizarre omission at four letters, too.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: ab_grp on September 03, 2020, 12:51:24 PM
Okay, there is a word today that is not in the puzzle that I definitely think should be! It's a pretty common word! I am going to use this as my experiment to write to the powers.  I'm sure I won't be the only one.

Eight letters? It should absolutely be counted. There's a bizarre omission at four letters, too.

Hmm! I was talking about a four-letter word (probably same as yours) but am now curious about the eight-letter word.   As an update, I had emailed the address provided in the app (NYTCrossword@nytimes.com) just to see if they would redirect me as they had Boomvang.  I received an auto-reply within a minute and then a real reply within two minutes! Apparently, quite a lot of folks have notified them of the omission, it was an honest error, and it will most certainly show up in any future puzzles for which it would be a possibility letter-wise.  So, that definitely seems like confirmation that they will add words in at times.  I will be keeping an eye out! But I appreciate their swift response.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: nebo113 on September 04, 2020, 04:54:04 AM
Denied cove!
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: ab_grp on September 04, 2020, 08:40:04 AM
My email was about cope.  Parasaurolophus, what was the eight-letter word you were thinking of?
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: Parasaurolophus on September 04, 2020, 08:56:13 AM
My email was about cope.  Parasaurolophus, what was the eight-letter word you were thinking of?

Pellmell. I'll grant it's usually hyphenated, but it's spelled without often enough that it should have worked, as far as I'm concerned. More readily acceptable than today's four-letter Spanish word, I should think!
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: ab_grp on September 04, 2020, 09:14:41 AM
My email was about cope.  Parasaurolophus, what was the eight-letter word you were thinking of?

Pellmell. I'll grant it's usually hyphenated, but it's spelled without often enough that it should have worked, as far as I'm concerned. More readily acceptable than today's four-letter Spanish word, I should think!

Ah, yep! We tried that one, too.  I don't think I found the Spanish word yet, but now I have a lead! Still have about 16 points to go for QB and am, as usual, stuck.  I would also like to know why some common dances are accepted and others aren't.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: nebo113 on September 15, 2020, 04:37:51 AM
Didn't quite make genius, but yesterday I used ALL the letters in one word!!!
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: Parasaurolophus on September 15, 2020, 08:20:04 AM
Didn't quite make genius, but yesterday I used ALL the letters in one word!!!

Nice work! I really struggled with yesterday's, especially the pangram. I don't accept 'boogaloo'. It's not a word, it's just what some bigoted fascist morons call themselves.


Lots of non-words-that-should-be-words in today's. And I noticed the other day that they still haven't decided to accept 'atlatl'.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: Langue_doc on September 15, 2020, 09:24:55 AM
Lede and clitic aren't on the list of acceptable (English) words, but raita and baobab are OK. I'm still struggling with today's pangram.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: Parasaurolophus on September 15, 2020, 09:46:10 AM
Right, clitic! I tried it yesterday, but was struggling to remember it this morning.

I don't have the pangram yet either, but if I don't see it early, it usually comes to me after I've set it aside for a few hours.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: ab_grp on September 15, 2020, 10:20:00 AM
It took me forever to get the pangram today.  I think I already had genius plus 20 or so points by the time my husband finally got it and I begged him for a clue.  I tried so many compound words that didn't work.  Boogaloo really annoyed me yesterday.  It was the only word I was missing, and my program didn't find it (I guess I need to load more of the solutions to the database to help supplement the dictionary match).  When I finally just looked at the answer page, I just thought okay, whatever.  Give me a break.  So many more common words do not appear, but then some wackadoo words are in there.  I did try gabagool yesterday, which was kind of funny because we then watched an episode of The Office in which they used that word.  Anyway, today I still have about 12 points to go and am running my program, so we'll see.  Otherwise, I will just stew on it all day and not get as much done.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: Parasaurolophus on September 15, 2020, 10:59:28 AM
I did try gabagool yesterday, which was kind of funny because we then watched an episode of The Office in which they used that word.


Haha, me too!

Boogaloo is just not a word. At all. In any dictionary except the urban one. I may just complain about it, because wtf.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: ab_grp on September 15, 2020, 11:31:46 AM
I did try gabagool yesterday, which was kind of funny because we then watched an episode of The Office in which they used that word.


Haha, me too!

Boogaloo is just not a word. At all. In any dictionary except the urban one. I may just complain about it, because wtf.

Go for it! I am also driven crazy by the inconsistency in which archaic or variant spellings are allowed.  Enow? Really? Not gaol, though.  And cancan but not chacha, even though both seem to be hyphenated in their common forms.  No enema or ebola, either, from what I recall.  Maybe I just can't discern why the included ones are considered appropriate but not the excluded ones.  We finally got QB today through my husband's program.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: Langue_doc on September 15, 2020, 05:15:44 PM
I did try gabagool yesterday, which was kind of funny because we then watched an episode of The Office in which they used that word.

Boogaloo is just not a word. At all. In any dictionary except the urban one. I may just complain about it, because wtf.

I might complain about boogaloo too especially since croft, which I had assumed to be a proper English word, wasn't accepated.
My apologies if the quote function malfunctions.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: fleabite on September 15, 2020, 08:00:58 PM
I did try gabagool yesterday, which was kind of funny because we then watched an episode of The Office in which they used that word.


Haha, me too!

Boogaloo is just not a word. At all. In any dictionary except the urban one. I may just complain about it, because wtf.

Go for it! I am also driven crazy by the inconsistency in which archaic or variant spellings are allowed.  Enow? Really? Not gaol, though.  And cancan but not chacha, even though both seem to be hyphenated in their common forms.  No enema or ebola, either, from what I recall.  Maybe I just can't discern why the included ones are considered appropriate but not the excluded ones.  We finally got QB today through my husband's program.

I believe that the dictionary used for copyediting at the New York Times is Webster’s New World College Dictionary. Therefore, those compiling the games are probably using that dictionary's spelling and hyphenation when determining whether a word is valid for the Spelling Bee. If you don't happen to have a copy, you could also try Merriam Webster's Eleventh Collegiate Dictionary, which is the dictionary of choice for Chicago style. That's what I have, and it must be relatively close to the New World College Dictionary, because my spellings tend to follow those of the Spelling Bee approved answers.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: nebo113 on September 16, 2020, 05:43:58 AM
I am delighted with ya'lls take on Spelling Bee, and to find that I'm definitely not the only one who goes grrrr at what is acceptable and what isn't.  Croft NO but boogaloo YES?????   NONONO
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: Boomvang on September 16, 2020, 11:51:30 AM
Agreed. As I wrote before in this thread, send your comments and suggestions to the NYT puzzlemasters about such issues.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: ab_grp on September 16, 2020, 12:06:36 PM
Maybe we can take turns sending the complaints of the week in.  I want to add the absence of loggia the other day.  And there is a word in it today that is another WTF given that others are not included.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: Boomvang on September 16, 2020, 12:16:46 PM
ab_group: I tried that too. As per previous comments, I tried "croft" as well and I was quite surprised when "cope" was not accepted. Haven't done today's yet (set them aside for the evening), so posters please don't give anything away!
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: ab_grp on September 16, 2020, 01:51:39 PM
Yes, I agree... I try to make only obscure references to the current day's puzzle.  If that is still too much or could be so, someone please say so, and then maybe we should hold off current day puzzle chat until the next day.  That would be fine with me if it prevents spoiling puzzle happiness!
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: Langue_doc on September 16, 2020, 05:58:59 PM
Here's the reply from the Spelling Bee Technical Specialist. Hu did not respond to my questions as to why words such as croft, lede, clitic, tarn were unacceptable whereas gonna, wanna, boogaloo, naan, raita were acceptable. The response earns an F.

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[/quoteWelcome to Spelling Bee! Thrilled to hear that you are having enough fun solving to send us a note. In short, our word lists are curated. Here is a bit of the how and a bit of the why:

While proper names and words that contain hyphens or apostrophes are not part of our word list, every Spelling Bee puzzle is hand-curated to focus on relatively common words, with a couple of tough ones here and there to keep it challenging. Occasionally, we may miss a common word or two and will add them in, but our puzzle editors ultimately draw from an internal lexicon and make the call for what's best with that day's puzzle. Lastly, In fairness to our wide-ranging audience, Spelling Bee avoids terms that are hyper-specific to any professional field, such as terms that might be familiar to, for example, a physician, ornithologist or geologist, but not to people outside of that field of expertise.

What words has the solving community spoken up about recently? BUCCAL, CARRACK, MILT, MITOTIC, NEOTENY, INTINCTION, INFARCT, LANTANA, LUFF, ONCOGENE, PORPHYRY, TROPONIN, and PHTHALATE, among others. While these terms are certainly defined, they either do not meet the bar of commonality that this puzzle has employed since its first day in circulation or they break a rule of the puzzle.

I hope that offers you at least a bit of solace and some proper clarity here! Thank you again for taking the time to send us a note, and most of all, for solving with us.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: nebo113 on September 17, 2020, 06:13:06 AM
Here's the reply from the Spelling Bee Technical Specialist. Hu did not respond to my questions as to why words such as croft, lede, clitic, tarn were unacceptable whereas gonna, wanna, boogaloo, naan, raita were acceptable. The response earns an F.

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[/quoteWelcome to Spelling Bee! Thrilled to hear that you are having enough fun solving to send us a note. In short, our word lists are curated. Here is a bit of the how and a bit of the why:

While proper names and words that contain hyphens or apostrophes are not part of our word list, every Spelling Bee puzzle is hand-curated to focus on relatively common words, with a couple of tough ones here and there to keep it challenging. Occasionally, we may miss a common word or two and will add them in, but our puzzle editors ultimately draw from an internal lexicon and make the call for what's best with that day's puzzle. Lastly, In fairness to our wide-ranging audience, Spelling Bee avoids terms that are hyper-specific to any professional field, such as terms that might be familiar to, for example, a physician, ornithologist or geologist, but not to people outside of that field of expertise.

What words has the solving community spoken up about recently? BUCCAL, CARRACK, MILT, MITOTIC, NEOTENY, INTINCTION, INFARCT, LANTANA, LUFF, ONCOGENE, PORPHYRY, TROPONIN, and PHTHALATE, among others. While these terms are certainly defined, they either do not meet the bar of commonality that this puzzle has employed since its first day in circulation or they break a rule of the puzzle.

I hope that offers you at least a bit of solace and some proper clarity here! Thank you again for taking the time to send us a note, and most of all, for solving with us.

Guess us academics are just dumb bunnies for not knowing that lede is really le-de.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: ciao_yall on September 17, 2020, 08:00:44 AM
Or, they could just include all possible words, and to achieve genius one only needs to get 70% of them instead of 90%.

But that would make too much sense.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: Parasaurolophus on September 17, 2020, 10:35:35 AM
Or, they could just include all possible words, and to achieve genius one only needs to get 70% of them instead of 90%.

But that would make too much sense.

That'd be nice.

There'd still be no *%!$/&)ing 'boogaloo', though.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: Boomvang on September 17, 2020, 02:37:56 PM
A suggestion to all: It might be fun to form a Zoom or Skype group to chat about these matters and others associated with NYT puzzles. Is anyone interested? Is there a way to start one and join in a way that would not reveal who posts under which username in The Fora?
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: reener06 on September 17, 2020, 05:55:38 PM
I've  become addicted since  April--it's  often  the bright spot in my pandemic day.

Also, I "cheat" (and enjoy the data) at: www.nytbee.com.  I don't look at the answers but I look at the common words, what words were rejected, how many   of each size word, how difficult, how many pangrams,  how many total  words.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: nebo113 on September 18, 2020, 05:01:40 AM
A suggestion to all: It might be fun to form a Zoom or Skype group to chat about these matters and others associated with NYT puzzles. Is anyone interested? Is there a way to start one and join in a way that would not reveal who posts under which username in The Fora?

I have iffy internet so won't work for me.  But thanks for the idea.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: nebo113 on September 25, 2020, 06:34:56 AM
Got the pantagram two days in a row but yesterday's total score was still low.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: Parasaurolophus on September 25, 2020, 10:24:18 AM
Got the pantagram two days in a row but yesterday's total score was still low.

Well done!


Today, I'm complaining that a couple days ago, 'troy' was counted as a word. Either it's a proper noun, in which case it's ineligible, or it's an adjective meaning 'expressed or computed in troy weight', in which case, it's so obscure that almost nobody knows it and is instead thinking of the ancient city, so it's ineligible.
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: nebo113 on September 26, 2020, 04:47:10 AM
Got the pantagram two days in a row but yesterday's total score was still low.

Well done!


Today, I'm complaining that a couple days ago, 'troy' was counted as a word. Either it's a proper noun, in which case it's ineligible, or it's an adjective meaning 'expressed or computed in troy weight', in which case, it's so obscure that almost nobody knows it and is instead thinking of the ancient city, so it's ineligible.

Thanks!   Though I'm going to disagree about 'troy' which I did not get.  I'm disagreeing because, if we're doing the NYT Spelling Bee, we obviously think we're smarter than the average bear so should know about 'troy.'  ~:)
Title: Re: NYT Spelling Bee
Post by: Parasaurolophus on September 26, 2020, 09:37:00 AM
...locoweed?