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My students have been doing okay, but I only taught small upper-level seminars this semester, which could account for the difference from what some other posters are saying. A few students seem like they're either struggling or not taking the class particularly seriously, but I don't know that that number would be different if COVID wasn't happening. I'm curious to see what will happen when I start teaching an online lecture course; my guess is that students may be less engaged in those types of courses, especially via Zoom.

Also, would this thread be better in the teaching sub-forum? Could it be moved?
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I have a direct comparison because I had some discussion/activity sections in person and some on zoom (everyone had lectures asynchronously online-- I essentially flipped the course). We still have one exam and the final project to go, but currently the in person students are averaging half a letter grade higher than the zoom students.

It's not so much the the median is lower for the zoom students, as that there is a cluster of students doing very poorly in those sections, who just seem completely disconnected, are not doing the work, and have poor attendance (and when they are logged in general have cameras off and don't contribute to discussion). Some have home life or mental health problems we know about, but most have not responded to repeated attempts from me or the TAs to meet and help get them back on track, so we really don't know why they are struggling. Some undoubtably would be struggling in a normal semester too, whereas for others online learning is not a good fit or their home situation is causing problems.

Of course, it isn't an experiment-- students self-selected for the most part being on campus vs. not (except the Chinese students who were bared from returning to the US so had no choice). I do suspect that there is some self-selection effect, in that the most engaged, strongest students were the ones most eager to be back on campus despite the requirements for masking, testing, social distancing etc.
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General Discussion / Re: 2020 Elections
« Last post by marshwiggle on Today at 10:48:16 AM »
Policy and issues, yes, but the guy you describe probably does not know what these are.  Likely does not care, either.

If he did, he'd  realize that Trump and his policies have actually done nothing for men like him, whereas the Democrats do have ideas and views that would.

And all it will cost him is having to accept his "white male privilege" and his part in "systemic racism".
If his dignity has no value to him, then it's easy.
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General Discussion / Re: NYT Spelling Bee
« Last post by ciao_yall on Today at 10:45:33 AM »
Yesterday I did get to 2 - it was pretty straightforward once I got my head around it.

Spelling bee wouldn't take TEFF this morning.

Okay, off to today's Letterboxed!

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General Discussion / Re: 2020 Elections
« Last post by kaysixteen on Today at 10:40:56 AM »
Policy and issues, yes, but the guy you describe probably does not know what these are.  Likely does not care, either.

If he did, he'd  realize that Trump and his policies have actually done nothing for men like him, whereas the Democrats do have ideas and views that would.
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General Discussion / Re: NYT Spelling Bee
« Last post by Langue_doc on Today at 10:22:14 AM »
It took me a lot of practicing to get to three words in Letter-Boxed. There are days when I've just given up as my goal for this puzzle is three words (or four if I'm desperate). Today's was quite easy, so I managed to get all the letters into two words.

I don't think I'll get to QB today as there are the crosswords from Thursday and Friday that I haven't even looked at.

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Recommending to moderators that this discussion be moved.
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I had my usual 3 classes this fall.  2 are usually online, and I dont know that there is much to report. However, I was going over the final grades for a class that is usually fully face to face. it was 80% online, meaning that we had to meet face to face at least five times (we met 6).

The grades so far (the final exam is pending) are much worse.  First it seems that 1/3 of the class has dropped already or stopped attending.  That is a particularly high number given that this is a required class for the major. 
I had 2 webex meetings a week.  I never had more than 1/3 of the class attend.  In the end, I was down to only 3 students attending with regularity.  I did record the lectures for later view, but seldom did anyone email to ask questions about the topics I talked about. 
On a tangent, even when people attended the webex, they left their cameras off, so I could not see that they were participating. I would call on them to answer questions and there would be a long pause. I dont know if that means that they were distracted, that there is a longer delay on Webex than there would be on a phone call, or that they were not really paying attention. 

Last year, in an attempt to increase their understanding I began assigning the textbook's online material (mostly I had them work the questions at the back of the book, and I gave them bonus points if they did some of the other work that was available in the book).   I then totaled the scores and divided everyone's score by the 3rd highest grade.  There are grades in the teens and many less 60%. 

I gave 19! online quizzes. The top 10 counted (and again, I divided by the high score, after dropping the NINE lowest grades).  Many didnt even take 10 of the quizzes!! 

Anyway, are you seeing similar inability/unwillingness to even attempt the work assigned as your university moves to online classes as an attempt to deal with the pandemic?

I haven't done a formal analysis of grades yet, but my impression, based on the spring semester's switch to online instruction, and teaching online courses to undergraduates this semester, is that a very large proportion of them simply are not willing to exert the effort needed to succeed in an online course. This is what you get when a university emphasizes the college "experience" over the "education" in its marketing and operations. Don't know if that's the case with your employer, but it certainly is with mine.
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General Discussion / Re: NYT Spelling Bee
« Last post by ab_grp on Today at 09:28:06 AM »
I will have to keep practicing at Letterboxed! I manage to get in under the target number of words, but there's still more to aim for.

For the bee today, it took me a while to find a pangram.  Then I got to genius and was stuck for a bit.  Then I stumbled on a couple words, and now I'm at about 27 points from QB.  We'll see.
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I had my usual 3 classes this fall.  2 are usually online, and I dont know that there is much to report. However, I was going over the final grades for a class that is usually fully face to face. it was 80% online, meaning that we had to meet face to face at least five times (we met 6).

The grades so far (the final exam is pending) are much worse.  First it seems that 1/3 of the class has dropped already or stopped attending.  That is a particularly high number given that this is a required class for the major. 
I had 2 webex meetings a week.  I never had more than 1/3 of the class attend.  In the end, I was down to only 3 students attending with regularity.  I did record the lectures for later view, but seldom did anyone email to ask questions about the topics I talked about. 
On a tangent, even when people attended the webex, they left their cameras off, so I could not see that they were participating. I would call on them to answer questions and there would be a long pause. I dont know if that means that they were distracted, that there is a longer delay on Webex than there would be on a phone call, or that they were not really paying attention. 

Last year, in an attempt to increase their understanding I began assigning the textbook's online material (mostly I had them work the questions at the back of the book, and I gave them bonus points if they did some of the other work that was available in the book).   I then totaled the scores and divided everyone's score by the 3rd highest grade.  There are grades in the teens and many less 60%. 

I gave 19! online quizzes. The top 10 counted (and again, I divided by the high score, after dropping the NINE lowest grades).  Many didnt even take 10 of the quizzes!! 

Anyway, are you seeing similar inability/unwillingness to even attempt the work assigned as your university moves to online classes as an attempt to deal with the pandemic?
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