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General Discussion / Re: Vaccination nation
« Last post by downer on March 02, 2021, 04:57:20 PM »
Would it help herd immunity if we just paid people to take the vaccine?  The most hardcore antivaxx people will likely break down if offered cold hard cash.

How much $$ are we talking?

$500

That is much cheaper than a few weeks in the ICU on a ventilator.

That would be a good deal for me. Not sure it would be a good deal for the taxpayers.

There's also a question of whether consent to the procedure is free when there is a significant financial incentive. So it might be past the ethics board.
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General Discussion / Re: Vaccination nation
« Last post by Liquidambar on March 02, 2021, 04:55:13 PM »
Behavioral economics research suggests paying people might backfire. If you're offering money to get someone to do something, they are likely to conclude that it must be something that they wouldn't otherwise want to do, so you might actually increase resistance (especially among the hard-core anti-vaxxers who would see it as yet another conspiracy).

Yeah, no way would my father get vaccinated for $500 (or any amount of money).  He would be highly suspicious.
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General Discussion / Re: Vaccination nation
« Last post by dismalist on March 02, 2021, 04:39:05 PM »
Behavioral economics research suggests paying people might backfire. If you're offering money to get someone to do something, they are likely to conclude that it must be something that they wouldn't otherwise want to do, so you might actually increase resistance (especially among the hard-core anti-vaxxers who would see it as yet another conspiracy).  Ironically, the fact that vaccines are currently hard to get may be driving up demand for the same reason-- anything scarce must be worth having. Not rational on either count, but humans aren't.

I think what we do need to be doing is talking up what vaccination will allow you to do again-- as it is becoming increasingly clear that it will be pretty safe for vaccinated people to socialize with other vaccinated people (greatly reduced transmission, not just illness), that is a major selling point. I do think it is a mistake for super cautious public health folks to keep saying you can't change your behavior at all even after you are fully vaccinated. Instead, tell people what they can do that is relatively safe IF they are fully vaccinated.

There's the Israeli kibbutz story of parents not picking up their children on time even after a fine for lateness was imposed. Well, it was a small fine, so one can then rent child care at a low rate. If the fine were a sufficiently high share of income, this wouldn't be observed.

Same applies to vaccines: Give them enough and they will come! And anyway, it doesn't have to be everybody who is sensitive to price.

The additional point about bribing people to take vaccines, and not just to pick up their kids, is that those who don't take vaccines also benefit. By paying people for getting vaccinated we are merely recognizing that they are doing good for others.
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General Discussion / Re: Vaccination nation
« Last post by Puget on March 02, 2021, 04:22:07 PM »
Behavioral economics research suggests paying people might backfire. If you're offering money to get someone to do something, they are likely to conclude that it must be something that they wouldn't otherwise want to do, so you might actually increase resistance (especially among the hard-core anti-vaxxers who would see it as yet another conspiracy).  Ironically, the fact that vaccines are currently hard to get may be driving up demand for the same reason-- anything scarce must be worth having. Not rational on either count, but humans aren't.

I think what we do need to be doing is talking up what vaccination will allow you to do again-- as it is becoming increasingly clear that it will be pretty safe for vaccinated people to socialize with other vaccinated people (greatly reduced transmission, not just illness), that is a major selling point. I do think it is a mistake for super cautious public health folks to keep saying you can't change your behavior at all even after you are fully vaccinated. Instead, tell people what they can do that is relatively safe IF they are fully vaccinated.
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General Discussion / Re: NYT Spelling Bee
« Last post by ab_grp on March 02, 2021, 04:21:43 PM »
Hooray, cathwen! Yay! Congrats! I am guessing we might all have had the same word haunting us, but I guess we'll see tomorrow.
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General Discussion / Re: Vaccination nation
« Last post by dismalist on March 02, 2021, 03:53:19 PM »
The reason to pay people to get vaccinated against many diseases is that that not only protects them, but also protects those not vaccinated.

Alternatively, one could fine people who do not get vaccinated. But that won't fly. :-)
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General Discussion / Re: formality vs informality, aging?
« Last post by Cheerful on March 02, 2021, 03:51:41 PM »
I would not have said, "Bobby, what up?"

I hope not.  The proper phrase would be "Sup, dude?"
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General Discussion / Re: Vaccination nation
« Last post by apl68 on March 02, 2021, 03:37:17 PM »
Would it help herd immunity if we just paid people to take the vaccine?  The most hardcore antivaxx people will likely break down if offered cold hard cash.

Maybe that needs to be in the stimulus bill.

Yes, and it's a good idea, well worth one hell of a lot of money. We have to beware, however, that when money is on offer for a vaccination, it pays us to claim we are antivaxxers.

Therefore, we'd have to pay everybody. And still a good idea.

It would also be necessary to develop a good way of verifying that people had genuinely been vaccinated.  And precautions would need to be taken against Russian, Chinese, etc. hackers stealing billions of dollars by claiming vaccinations that never took place.  They've already made off with billions of dollars of stimulus relief.

Honestly, I think that paying people to be vaccinated would be a bad precedent.  People should be vaccinated because they understand that it's the thing to do.  If we pay people to be vaccinated for COVID, where will it end?  There are multiple vaccinations (chicken pox, rubella, etc.) that everybody needs to take.  Paying hundreds of dollars apiece for each of them just isn't going to work.
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General Discussion / Re: Vaccination nation
« Last post by Anselm on March 02, 2021, 03:05:15 PM »
Would it help herd immunity if we just paid people to take the vaccine?  The most hardcore antivaxx people will likely break down if offered cold hard cash.

How much $$ are we talking?

$500

That is much cheaper than a few weeks in the ICU on a ventilator.
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General Discussion / Re: NYT Spelling Bee
« Last post by cathwen on March 02, 2021, 02:30:33 PM »
Thanks for the SB juju, ab_grp! I finally got to QB.  Yippee!
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