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Started by spork, May 29, 2021, 07:31:28 AM

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spork

Nikole Hannah-Jones not granted tenure by UNC trustees because of political objections:

http://www.ncpolicywatch.com/2021/05/19/pw-special-report-after-conservative-criticism-unc-backs-down-from-offering-acclaimed-journalist-a-tenured-position/.

She has retained legal counsel:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/28/business/media/Nikole-Hannah-Jones-UNC-tenure.html.

I'm not a lawyer, but I'd say there are grounds for a First Amendment case if the trustees continue to behave stupidly.

Meanwhile, in Idaho . . .

https://pen.org/press-release/idaho-bill-attacking-critical-race-theory-is-affront-to-academic-freedom/.
It's terrible writing, used to obfuscate the fact that the authors actually have nothing to say.

Sun_Worshiper


mahagonny

#2
Professors who won't pass students who refuse or fail to even pretend to adopt the liberal ideology of their professors is a well documented problem. Or at the least penalize them grade wise for that very reason. This is evident if one goes by ratemyprofessors and such. And I see no reason to not at least give serious consideration to some of it, especially in the presence of so many similar reports about a single individual, when they sound well enough grounded.



Mobius

If it's well documented, let's see it.

mahagonny

#4
I don't have time to hunt for them now. Go here and you'll see them.

https://www.ratemyprofessors.com/campusRatings.jsp?sid=3067

http://www.ratemyracistprofessor.com

ETA: We have one such visionary at my school who shall be nameless here. He was part of a panel that gave a presentation in which he proclaimed: 'the white ruling class has brainwashed the working class white American to believe he is superior to the black American.' The other three on the panel looked liked they wished they could disappear into the wallpaper.

spork

Quote from: mahagonny on May 29, 2021, 04:07:18 PM
Professors who won't pass students who refuse or fail to even pretend to adopt the liberal ideology of their professors is a well documented problem. Or at the least penalize them grade wise for that very reason. This is evident if one goes by ratemyprofessors and such. And I see no reason to not at least give serious consideration to some of it, especially in the presence of so many similar reports about a single individual, when they sound well enough grounded.

I truly hope you do not have a graduate degree in a natural science, social science, or in any form of mathematics.
It's terrible writing, used to obfuscate the fact that the authors actually have nothing to say.

jimbogumbo

mahagonny: the 2nd link is to a site that doesn't exist. The first shows nothing at all  of the kind of evidence you suggest. Geez.

Parasaurolophus

I know it's a genus.

Mobius

Well documented, eh?

Quote from: mahagonny on May 29, 2021, 04:52:33 PM
I don't have time to hunt for them now. Go here and you'll see them.

https://www.ratemyprofessors.com/campusRatings.jsp?sid=3067

http://www.ratemyracistprofessor.com

ETA: We have one such visionary at my school who shall be nameless here. He was part of a panel that gave a presentation in which he proclaimed: 'the white ruling class has brainwashed the working class white American to believe he is superior to the black American.' The other three on the panel looked liked they wished they could disappear into the wallpaper.

ciao_yall

Quote from: spork on May 29, 2021, 05:03:02 PM
Quote from: mahagonny on May 29, 2021, 04:07:18 PM
Professors who won't pass students who refuse or fail to even pretend to adopt the liberal ideology of their professors is a well documented problem. Or at the least penalize them grade wise for that very reason. This is evident if one goes by ratemyprofessors and such. And I see no reason to not at least give serious consideration to some of it, especially in the presence of so many similar reports about a single individual, when they sound well enough grounded.

I truly hope you do not have a graduate degree in a natural science, social science, or in any form of mathematics.

I teach business. I had a student tell me for my class that he didn't want to deal with employment law and he would find people he could just pay "under the table."

So, how was I supposed to grade the section of his business plan on "Key employment laws with which your business will need to comply"?

Pass him because... big government nanny state bureaucracy?

eigen

Quote from: Mobius on May 29, 2021, 05:55:17 PM
Well documented, eh?

Quote from: mahagonny on May 29, 2021, 04:52:33 PM
I don't have time to hunt for them now. Go here and you'll see them.

https://www.ratemyprofessors.com/campusRatings.jsp?sid=3067

http://www.ratemyracistprofessor.com

ETA: We have one such visionary at my school who shall be nameless here. He was part of a panel that gave a presentation in which he proclaimed: 'the white ruling class has brainwashed the working class white American to believe he is superior to the black American.' The other three on the panel looked liked they wished they could disappear into the wallpaper.

What, you're telling me you doubt he veracity of anonymous unfiltered comments by students on such a valuable and reputable site as "ratemyprofessor"?
Quote from: Caracal
Actually reading posts before responding to them seems to be a problem for a number of people on here...

mahagonny

#11
Quote from: eigen on May 29, 2021, 10:16:09 PM
Quote from: Mobius on May 29, 2021, 05:55:17 PM
Well documented, eh?

Quote from: mahagonny on May 29, 2021, 04:52:33 PM
I don't have time to hunt for them now. Go here and you'll see them.

https://www.ratemyprofessors.com/campusRatings.jsp?sid=3067

http://www.ratemyracistprofessor.com

ETA: We have one such visionary at my school who shall be nameless here. He was part of a panel that gave a presentation in which he proclaimed: 'the white ruling class has brainwashed the working class white American to believe he is superior to the black American.' The other three on the panel looked liked they wished they could disappear into the wallpaper.

What, you're telling me you doubt he veracity of anonymous unfiltered comments by students on such a valuable and reputable site as "ratemyprofessor"?

So says someone calling themselves 'Eigen' today,  on his own forum. But at least you don't pretend to wonder that these accounts exist. Which is constructive.

Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on May 29, 2021, 01:30:08 PM
Conservative cancel culture at work

If that's cancellation, where can I get me some?

marshwiggle

Quote from: ciao_yall on May 29, 2021, 08:12:34 PM
Quote from: spork on May 29, 2021, 05:03:02 PM
Quote from: mahagonny on May 29, 2021, 04:07:18 PM
Professors who won't pass students who refuse or fail to even pretend to adopt the liberal ideology of their professors is a well documented problem. Or at the least penalize them grade wise for that very reason. This is evident if one goes by ratemyprofessors and such. And I see no reason to not at least give serious consideration to some of it, especially in the presence of so many similar reports about a single individual, when they sound well enough grounded.

I truly hope you do not have a graduate degree in a natural science, social science, or in any form of mathematics.

I teach business. I had a student tell me for my class that he didn't want to deal with employment law and he would find people he could just pay "under the table."

So, how was I supposed to grade the section of his business plan on "Key employment laws with which your business will need to comply"?

Pass him because... big government nanny state bureaucracy?

So did he say in his business plan that he wouldn't follow the law? Or did he say that informally, while correctly explaining all of the relevant regulations in the business plan?

He should be graded on his assigned work, not on his attitudes. So in the first case above, he could fail. But in the second, he shouldn't. (Although in the second case he probably shouldn't ask you for a reference if he has any sense.)



It takes so little to be above average.

mahagonny

Quote from: marshwiggle on May 30, 2021, 06:28:31 AM
Quote from: ciao_yall on May 29, 2021, 08:12:34 PM
Quote from: spork on May 29, 2021, 05:03:02 PM
Quote from: mahagonny on May 29, 2021, 04:07:18 PM
Professors who won't pass students who refuse or fail to even pretend to adopt the liberal ideology of their professors is a well documented problem. Or at the least penalize them grade wise for that very reason. This is evident if one goes by ratemyprofessors and such. And I see no reason to not at least give serious consideration to some of it, especially in the presence of so many similar reports about a single individual, when they sound well enough grounded.

I truly hope you do not have a graduate degree in a natural science, social science, or in any form of mathematics.

I teach business. I had a student tell me for my class that he didn't want to deal with employment law and he would find people he could just pay "under the table."

So, how was I supposed to grade the section of his business plan on "Key employment laws with which your business will need to comply"?

Pass him because... big government nanny state bureaucracy?

So did he say in his business plan that he wouldn't follow the law? Or did he say that informally, while correctly explaining all of the relevant regulations in the business plan?

He should be graded on his assigned work, not on his attitudes. So in the first case above, he could fail. But in the second, he shouldn't. (Although in the second case he probably shouldn't ask you for a reference if he has any sense.)

Sometimes it doesn't even matter what course you're taking.

Comment about Professor Charles Davis, SUNY Buffalo Architecture Department
"The class he was teaching was an architecture history class, but instead, he made us watch Ibram X. Kendi's "how to be anti-racist". I repeated all of his woke desires in order to get a good grade. He did not talk about historical architecture, but only offered a continual critique of how history was taught in the past (It was Eurocentric)."


Parasaurolophus

I'd be curious to see your RMP page.
I know it's a genus.