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Quote from: Parasaurolophus on May 03, 2024, 03:19:02 PMIt may be worth reminding people that even the Civil Rights protests, protests which we widely acknowledge as good and non-violent, and models of good protests, were very unpopular. In 1961, only 27% of people thought sit-ins, freedom buses, etc. helped the Civil Rights cause. in 1968, fully 75% of whites disapproved of Martin Luther King, Jr.

Protests are disruptive, and that doesn't win them many friends. But that doesn't make them wrong, or less important.

I have a hard time seeing these kids in the same league as the freedom fighters. They are not analogous to people who selflessly give their lives to others, and I have a hard time believing they are going to actually accomplish anything except, perhaps, lose Biden some votes.  Remember that the J6 crowd likes this analogy too and loves to see hypocrisy in people's support for wealthy students camping in a public space.

Our culture has got to learn to think past World War II and the '70s-style protest.  I don't think it works anymore.  And I am anti-Hamas but pro-Palestinian-independence.       

The point isn't that they're in the same league. It's that even the "model" protests of the past were widely despised. So we need to rethink the way we relate to them in these discussions.

For my part, I would be curious to know how many especially among those most vocally dismissive or sneering of these protests--have ever participated in a protest of heir own. Because I see a lot of tarring with broad brushes going on.

Middle States Commission on Higher Education gave Keystone College a show cause order with a deadline of August 1. This is in addition to the demand that Keystone submit a teach-out plan by May 15. 

Quote from: darkstarrynight on May 03, 2024, 10:48:22 AMAs someone who used to work in an academic integrity office at my previous institution, I can share on this. That institution had the policy that students could submit work to two courses if they had the permission of both instructors. While it could happen in the same semester, there were situations in which students had a paper from a previous semester that would fit an assignment in the current semester, so they would still be required to contact the previous class's instructor for permission as well as the current instructor's. I do not suggest this is a perfect solution, but it does remove concerns that arise from something like TurnItIn if the current instructor is unaware of the previous course's assignment.

What possible objection could a former instructor have? If a student wrote an essay or short story for a course, should they have to get the prof's permission if later in life they want to publish it???? Does it cease to be the student's own intellectual property once its been submitted for a course???

Quote from: jimbogumbo on May 03, 2024, 01:50:13 PM

Quote from: marshwiggle on May 03, 2024, 06:38:24 AMI would imagine at any sort of protest, from any part of the political spectrum, many (if not most) of the most violent agitators have little or no connection to the cause, but just want to steal and destroy.

What you describe above is clearly wrong, but just as clearly unlike what is actually happening in these protests.


https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/05/03/college-campus-protests-israel-gaza-student-journalists-00155672

QuoteWith so many incidents taking place in so many places, it's hard for anyone to grasp what's really happening at America's universities right now. So POLITICO Magazine reached out this week to top student journalists, who have been reporting on the turmoil at the ground level for weeks and months. As neutral observers able to interact with all sides, they can provide unique insights, even as they watch friends get arrested or worry if their graduation ceremonies will even take place.

About as neutral as Fox news on the Jan. 6 riots.

Quote from: secundem_artem on May 03, 2024, 12:35:57 PMUpdate.

All the tall foreheads and deep thinkers on the board punted.  No decision made.

Everybody knows something or somebody is gonna get cut. But nobody has the balls to wield the knife.

SO NOW FVCK1N6 WHAT!!!!???!!!

Yeah, we've been living with this for the past 3 years.  That, and an admin which has no transparency.  Most of what we know comes from either the union strongarming an answer or a loose lip somewhere.

Quote from: Parasaurolophus on May 03, 2024, 03:19:02 PMIt may be worth reminding people that even the Civil Rights protests, protests which we widely acknowledge as good and non-violent, and models of good protests, were very unpopular. In 1961, only 27% of people thought sit-ins, freedom buses, etc. helped the Civil Rights cause. in 1968, fully 75% of whites disapproved of Martin Luther King, Jr.

Protests are disruptive, and that doesn't win them many friends. But that doesn't make them wrong, or less important.

I have a hard time seeing these kids in the same league as the freedom fighters. They are not analogous to people who selflessly give their lives to others, and I have a hard time believing they are going to actually accomplish anything except, perhaps, lose Biden some votes.  Remember that the J6 crowd likes this analogy too and loves to see hypocrisy in people's support for wealthy students camping in a public space.

Our culture has got to learn to think past World War II and the '70s-style protest.  I don't think it works anymore.  And I am anti-Hamas but pro-Palestinian-independence.       

Quote from: Parasaurolophus on May 03, 2024, 09:52:50 AMT1 work today, although I should probably start filling out the forms and stuff for T2, which should be back from the referee soon. Suppose I should sort out my one image permission, too (not hard, it's from the NPG).

Did a chunk of T1, completed my forms for T2 (including cover and image selections, and my permissions).

Tomorrow is Free Comic Book Day (and Star Wars Day).

https://www.freecomicbookday.com/

Quote from: dismalist on May 03, 2024, 03:39:15 PM"I am not crazy; my reality is just different from yours."
--Lewis Carroll

I'm not so sure 'reality' is the right word, if that's what you think is going on.

Quote from: Parasaurolophus on May 03, 2024, 03:37:06 PM

Quote from: dismalist on May 03, 2024, 03:35:51 PMHamas is not Gandhi.

Who said they were? These aren't pro-Hamas protests, and I wasn't talking about Hamas's attack on Israel.

"I am not crazy; my reality is just different from yours."
--Lewis Carroll