Quote from: jimbogumbo on May 15, 2024, 03:20:11 PMOf course police should be called in when things are actually violent (UCLA) or a building is actually occupied (Portland State).
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Not trespassing, and definitely not violent in the vast majority of instances. I think you (maybe) just don't like The Guardian.
Quote from: bio-nonymous on May 14, 2024, 07:32:08 AM[. . .]
the department where someone takes that option would lose that faculty line! So, it kind of screwed your colleagues over.
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Quote from: Hibush on May 15, 2024, 01:00:29 PMQuote from: Wahoo Redux on May 15, 2024, 11:04:24 AMAsk ourselves: if these were registered students who were members of Storm Front peacefully occupying a campus but refusing to leave after lawfully ordered to, what would we have the cops do?
Jusrisdictions vary as far as what city cops can do. In some places, if registered students are peacefully hanging out in a public space on campus, an order to leave would not be lawful. Campus administration needs to follow whatever due process and regulations apply to their campus. Some seem to have gotten it wrong by jumping in haste.
Quote from: bio-nonymous on April 25, 2024, 07:10:24 AMArguing with people who are sure they are correct is a worthless waste of time.Sez you!
Quote from: jimbogumbo on May 15, 2024, 03:20:11 PMQuote from: dismalist on May 15, 2024, 01:11:30 PMLooks to me like many campus administrations acted not in haste, but took far too long to call in the cops. Negotiate with trespassers and those interfering with normal operations and the stakes get raised. Give an inch, and the demonstrators take a foot. Have your buildings occupied next.
But so long as glass is not broken during the occupation, the Guardian will call it peaceful protests. No, that's not how it works.
Damn. Hit the wrong button.
Of course police should be called in when things are actually violent (UCLA) or a building is actually occupied (Portland State).
But dismalist...
What would you call "many"? I actually only know of three places where buildings were occupied. Everything else I've read about was outside, in public space.
I'm also curious for some examples from the non-Ivies. What I saw was militarized police being called out to secure what was essentially open space.
Not trespassing, and definitely not violent in the vast majority of instances. I think you (maybe) just don't like The Guardian.
Quote from: dismalist on May 15, 2024, 01:11:30 PMLooks to me like many campus administrations acted not in haste, but took far too long to call in the cops. Negotiate with trespassers and those interfering with normal operations and the stakes get raised. Give an inch, and the demonstrators take a foot. Have your buildings occupied next.
But so long as glass is not broken during the occupation, the Guardian will call it peaceful protests. No, that's not how it works.
Quote from: jimbogumbo on May 15, 2024, 12:16:51 PMThis discussion is to me, bizarre. Only a handful of campuses had spaces that prevented students from getting services. And I'm sorry, having police with snipers (IU and OSU) is an amazing overreach even if no heads were bashed. If the Storm Front students were on the quad the cops should do nothing.
And marshwiggle, the name calling in the US would almost certainly be protected free speech in this instance.