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Started by kaysixteen, December 26, 2022, 08:30:26 PM
Quote from: Parasaurolophus on December 28, 2022, 02:33:32 PMQuote from: dismalist on December 28, 2022, 02:23:10 PMVet, vet? Hell, we do the vetting! If we don't like it, we don't buy it. End of story.They may not teach this in business school any more, but typically you must buy the product (/book) before you can use (/read) it.
Quote from: dismalist on December 28, 2022, 02:23:10 PMVet, vet? Hell, we do the vetting! If we don't like it, we don't buy it. End of story.
Quote from: dismalist on December 28, 2022, 01:23:59 PMAnybody remember Borders? A palace for books!We -- the customers, readers -- didn't like Borders' enough to let it survive. I'd always thought B&N a distant second.We have met the enemy, and they is us. --Pogo
Quote from: secundem_artem on December 28, 2022, 02:50:38 PMQuote from: dismalist on December 28, 2022, 01:23:59 PMAnybody remember Borders? A palace for books!We -- the customers, readers -- didn't like Borders' enough to let it survive. I'd always thought B&N a distant second.We have met the enemy, and they is us. --PogoAs I read heard the story, at the dawn of the internet age, Borders was trying to figure out how to move into e-commerce. Some bright spark in the company recommended they turn their e-commerce sales over to Amazon. The Borders folks were pleased as punch they had solved a notty business problem and at little cost to them. Amazon left the same meeting room looking like the cat that swallowed the canary. Not sure if this is apocryphal but it sounds believable to me.
Quote from: ergative on December 30, 2022, 07:57:36 AMHere's an encouraging discussion of Barnes and Noble, which apparently has been doing some good things since Daunt bought it.
Quote from: kaysixteen on January 02, 2023, 07:42:45 PMSorry I have not yet gotten round to returning to this thread I started last week. I am wondering exactly what level of social responsibility B&N execs (and, for that matter, proprietors of mom and pop indie bookstores) have to take reasonable steps to prevent obvious slop from hitting the shelves of their stores? IOW, public librarians have a responsibility, which they ordinarily take very seriously, , to prevent inaccurate material from being purchased by the library and going onto their shelves with formal library call numbers assigned, etc. (I use this caveat because many PLs, such as the one here in Rusty City), have a shelf where the library stocks donated literature that they would never buy, and thus give official library sanction (essentially equals recommendation, promotion, vouching for the accuracy of the info therein, etc.), because most librarians will also not want to be exactly censoring such material, no matter how awful it may well be.
Quotesteps to prevent obvious slop from hitting the shelves of their stores
Quote from: kaysixteen on January 02, 2023, 08:20:50 PMI think you know what I am talking about, which has more or less nothing to do with 'taste', as in customer X prefers a BK whopper vs the expensive burger at an overpriced sit-down restaurant, but rather objective 'facts'. B&N can and should, at least IMO, vet 'non-fiction' books it sells for facts, and refuse to sell 'slop' that peddles 'alternative facts' (one of the books I saw last week was in fact the memoirs of Kellyanne Conway, aka Madame Alternative Facts.
Quote from: apl68 on January 03, 2023, 08:46:43 AMI understand what kay is talking about when he speaks of "vetting." Bookstores have to have some kind of standards regarding quality and so forth. So do libraries. Neither type of institution has unlimited space or resources, so we have to pick and choose. We pick what we will acquire, and we pick what we will make a special effort to promote. If you want to have absolutely everything there is out there at your fingertips, no choosing or judgement, then go to Amazon. And good luck finding exactly what you want in all those oceans of mess, if you're uncertain of exactly what that is.Bookstores and libraries offer curated selections of what's available. That's part of what we do. It's an essential part of our service. I take some exception to the singling out of particular types of bookstores for doing this, as if they're doing something wrong. Every bookstore or library that any one of us here has ever visited has curated its offerings. Some may simply be more specialized in their offerings, depending on what sort of community they're trying to serve. All of them have to face decisions, not always easy ones, regarding what they will offer. Most librarians, and I'm sure bookstore managers, have their ideas about what they'd like to offer the public, or think that the public needs. And then they learn that the public often wants something very different. I understand kay's sense that the standards of what bookstores and libraries are prepared to offer have been declining in recent years. But I think that speaks to broader cultural issues that neither bookstores nor libraries can "fix."