https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCX71sk_MU&t=495s
By now we all know the 'woke' culture is a menace.
DIscuss.
Pursuit of tenure does compromise truth, mostly through p-hacking.
It's not tenure versus non-tenure that's ruining higher ed's pursuit of truth.
It's people who agree to teach one-off courses with no other responsibilities to the academic endeavor. Professors mentor majors, do research in their specialties, and contribute to the running of the college through shared governance.
The woke police wouldn't have the little power they do if most people in the humanities were professors instead of one-off teachers disengaged from academic pursuits. Paying adjuncts more won't fix the problem of not being invested in one institution to contribute to shared governance and mentoring of students outside the classroom.
Quote from: polly_mer on February 07, 2021, 05:52:29 PM
It's not tenure versus non-tenure that's ruining higher ed's pursuit of truth.
It's people who agree to teach one-off courses with no other responsibilities to the academic endeavor. Professors mentor majors, do research in their specialties, and contribute to the running of the college through shared governance.
The woke police wouldn't have the little power they do if most people in the humanities were professors instead of one-off teachers disengaged from academic pursuits. Paying adjuncts more won't fix the problem of not being invested in one institution to contribute to shared governance and mentoring of students outside the classroom.
I don't follow your logic at all. Tenure track profs are politically to the left of adjunct faculty. Furthermore, you want to blame higher education's demise on powerless, low paid, temporary outsiders that the academy itself decided to rely on? Do you have any idea how pathetic that sounds?
People I know on the tenure track (including me) worry a lot more about hitting top journals and presses than they do about pissing off some undergrad SJW. This is why p-hacking for pubs is the real threat to "truth."
And even if you buy that tenure track folks are terrified of the woke police, getting rid of tenure will only make it easier to fire them for saying something off color.
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on February 07, 2021, 06:31:29 PM
People I know on the tenure track (including me) worry a lot more about hitting top journals and presses than they do about pissing off some undergrad SJW. This is why p-hacking for pubs is the real threat to "truth."
And even if you buy that tenure track folks are terrified of the woke police, getting rid of tenure will only make it easier to fire them for saying something off color.
Any possibility it's more complex than that? McWhorter's impression was that there is so much at stake in securing tenure that everyone minds their P's and Q's, some to excess.
Quote from: mahagonny on February 07, 2021, 06:44:39 PM
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on February 07, 2021, 06:31:29 PM
People I know on the tenure track (including me) worry a lot more about hitting top journals and presses than they do about pissing off some undergrad SJW. This is why p-hacking for pubs is the real threat to "truth."
And even if you buy that tenure track folks are terrified of the woke police, getting rid of tenure will only make it easier to fire them for saying something off color.
Any possibility it's more complex than that? McWhorter's impression was that there is so much at stake in securing tenure that everyone minds their P's and Q's, some to excess.
Sure of course, you have to be careful not to piss off senior faculty or create headaches for chairs/deans. Students can create headaches, so better to keep them at arms length and keep your political opinions to yourself (whether those opinions are liberal or conservative). But the real danger is underproducing, not saying something that someone takes out of context. I can count on one hand the number of people I've heard of for failing tenure because they were too vocal or not vocal enough about social issues (only name off the top of my head is Norman Finkelstein at DePaul). On the other hand, every year people fail because they don't publish well enough.
Again though, the whole premise of this thread is bunk because tenure makes it more difficult to fires someone over speech.
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on February 07, 2021, 10:40:08 AM
Pursuit of tenure does compromise truth, mostly through p-hacking.
You forgot HARKing!
Quote from: mahagonny on February 07, 2021, 06:44:39 PM
Any possibility it's more complex than that? McWhorter's impression was that there is so much at stake in securing tenure that everyone minds their P's and Q's, some to excess.
Where research is concerned, I can think of a few instances of this among my friends and acquaintances with T or TT jobs--but for them, it's that they avoided pursuing low-status topics in their research, and were finally able to pivot when they got tenure. In philosophy, I'm afraid that the 'low-status' topics mostly coincide with what you'd call 'far left' stuff like feminist or critical race theory. (I'm sorry to say that the religious stuff is actually quite
high-status, thanks to the US and the UK and the history of the university in those places.)
Where classroom or extramural speech are concerned, things are different. The righties among us often complain--loudly, and at length, in very visible places--about how much they censor themselves, poor dears. I haven't heard of anyone holding back in the classroom, or being sunk because they didn't. Unless by 'being sunk because they didn't hold back in the classroom' you mean that they sexually harassed, assaulted, or raped someone.
I'm not tenured or on the track (we don't have tenure here, just union protections, and I'm not regularized yet), and I'm not at all worried about my classroom or extramural speech (or the work I do in my research, for that matter). Sometimes I misstep, but I'm not a total dick about it, so it's okay.
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on February 07, 2021, 07:06:13 PM
Again though, the whole premise of this thread is bunk because tenure makes it more difficult to fires someone over speech.
Except the life of the tenure track person includes seven years pre-tenure in which the phenomenon McWhorter talked about is going on.
Quote from: Parasaurolophus on February 07, 2021, 08:02:19 PM
I'm not tenured or on the track (we don't have tenure here, just union protections, and I'm not regularized yet), and I'm not at all worried about my classroom or extramural speech (or the work I do in my research, for that matter). Sometimes I misstep, but I'm not a total dick about it, so it's okay.
You'd better watch yourself with those middle-of-the-road ideological left comments. You might be conspicuously compliant.
Quote from: mahagonny on February 07, 2021, 08:30:20 PM
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on February 07, 2021, 07:06:13 PM
Again though, the whole premise of this thread is bunk because tenure makes it more difficult to fires someone over speech.
Except the life of the tenure track person includes seven years pre-tenure in which the phenomenon McWhorter talked about is going on.
Sure, but adjuncts and lecturers don't have even as much job security as tenure track folks, so why aren't we talking about how much they have to hold their tongues?
And as always, I'd love to see some evidence that this is actually a problem for people, whether TT or non-TT. As I said above, if you are actually worried about tenure track and "truth," you should look at how pressure to publish incentivizes unethical research approaches that compromise the integrity of actual science. If you just want to complain about how academics are liberal, then keep doing what you are doing.
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on February 07, 2021, 09:32:37 PM
Quote from: mahagonny on February 07, 2021, 08:30:20 PM
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on February 07, 2021, 07:06:13 PM
Again though, the whole premise of this thread is bunk because tenure makes it more difficult to fires someone over speech.
Except the life of the tenure track person includes seven years pre-tenure in which the phenomenon McWhorter talked about is going on.
Sure, but adjuncts and lecturers don't have even as much job security as tenure track folks, so why aren't we talking about how much they have to hold their tongues?
Because nobody cares.
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on February 07, 2021, 09:32:37 PM
Quote from: mahagonny on February 07, 2021, 08:30:20 PM
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on February 07, 2021, 07:06:13 PM
Again though, the whole premise of this thread is bunk because tenure makes it more difficult to fires someone over speech.
Except the life of the tenure track person includes seven years pre-tenure in which the phenomenon McWhorter talked about is going on.
Sure, but adjuncts and lecturers don't have even as much job security as tenure track folks, so why aren't we talking about how much they have to hold their tongues?
And as always, I'd love to see some evidence that this is actually a problem for people, whether TT or non-TT. As I said above, if you are actually worried about tenure track and "truth," you should look at how pressure to publish incentivizes unethical research approaches that compromise the integrity of actual science. If you just want to complain about how academics are liberal, then keep doing what you are doing.
Did you watch the John McWhorter video?
Black Americans are more religious than white Americans. You want more black people on the tenure track, don't you? What would it take to make them feel more comfortable in academia? Of course you could answer academia does not really want diversity of thought, and I probably wouldn't argue.
Quote from: mahagonny on February 08, 2021, 04:46:55 AM
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on February 07, 2021, 09:32:37 PM
Quote from: mahagonny on February 07, 2021, 08:30:20 PM
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on February 07, 2021, 07:06:13 PM
Again though, the whole premise of this thread is bunk because tenure makes it more difficult to fires someone over speech.
Except the life of the tenure track person includes seven years pre-tenure in which the phenomenon McWhorter talked about is going on.
Sure, but adjuncts and lecturers don't have even as much job security as tenure track folks, so why aren't we talking about how much they have to hold their tongues?
Because nobody cares.
Sorry but this whole thread is incoherent. I think you are arguing that tenure process incentivizes untruth because people are afraid of failing tenure, but NTT are just as vulnerable, so tenure itself is totally irrelevant to the suppression of "truth" as you understand it.
Quote from: mahagonny on February 07, 2021, 08:30:20 PM
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on February 07, 2021, 09:32:37 PM
Quote from: mahagonny on February 07, 2021, 08:30:20 PM
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on February 07, 2021, 07:06:13 PM
Again though, the whole premise of this thread is bunk because tenure makes it more difficult to fires someone over speech.
Except the life of the tenure track person includes seven years pre-tenure in which the phenomenon McWhorter talked about is going on.
Sure, but adjuncts and lecturers don't have even as much job security as tenure track folks, so why aren't we talking about how much they have to hold their tongues?
And as always, I'd love to see some evidence that this is actually a problem for people, whether TT or non-TT. As I said above, if you are actually worried about tenure track and "truth," you should look at how pressure to publish incentivizes unethical research approaches that compromise the integrity of actual science. If you just want to complain about how academics are liberal, then keep doing what you are doing.
Did you watch the John McWhorter video?
Black Americans are more religious than white Americans. You want more black people on the tenure track, don't you? What would it take to make them feel more comfortable in academia? Of course you could answer academia does not really want diversity of thought, and I probably wouldn't argue.
Try to stay on topic, Mahagonny. This point you are trying to make is entirely irrelevant to the thread topic and to my posts.
QuoteAnd as always, I'd love to see some evidence that this is actually a problem for people, whether TT or non-TT.
I don't think adjunct faculty having their employment discontinued because they failed to sufficiently flatter their department chair and his coterie tends to get reported, for reasons I bet you are already aware of.
Quote from: mahagonny on February 08, 2021, 08:05:14 AM
QuoteAnd as always, I'd love to see some evidence that this is actually a problem for people, whether TT or non-TT.
I don't think adjunct faculty having their employment discontinued because they failed to sufficiently flatter their department chair and his coterie tends to get reported, for reasons I bet you are already aware of.
Gotcha. So, as I suspected, you have no evidence to support your argument (whatever your argument actually is, because honestly who can tell what you are trying to say).
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on February 08, 2021, 10:52:29 AM
Quote from: mahagonny on February 08, 2021, 08:05:14 AM
QuoteAnd as always, I'd love to see some evidence that this is actually a problem for people, whether TT or non-TT.
I don't think adjunct faculty having their employment discontinued because they failed to sufficiently flatter their department chair and his coterie tends to get reported, for reasons I bet you are already aware of.
Gotcha. So, as I suspected, you have no evidence to support your argument (whatever your argument actually is, because honestly who can tell what you are trying to say).
I think John McWhorter is my new hero. Not sure if that's an argument or just a statement.
McWhorter is not awful. He's a good, not great, linguist (some of the things I have heard him say that touch on classical languages are not spot on, for instance), and he has an opinion on public affairs/ current events issues that should be listened to. But one must not go overboard in relying on his opinion here...
Quote from: Parasaurolophus on February 07, 2021, 08:02:19 PM
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on February 07, 2021, 10:40:08 AM
Pursuit of tenure does compromise truth, mostly through p-hacking.
You forgot HARKing!
Thanks for highlighting that far more common catastrophe.
QuoteAnd as always, I'd love to see some evidence that this is actually a problem for people, whether TT or non-TT.
More answers to this question. You asked; I'm giving. I'll try not to be incoherent.
I just got off the phone with a colleague, Albert, in another department who is just a few years older than me but not ready to retire. Nevertheless, he is calling it quits after this semester. I am covering his course while he 'recuperates from a brief illness.' He let me know he is very tired of being ostracized for his political views. His department is the only one that is named as an ally in the recent communications from the diversity and inclusion
mafia team which announces their new 'series' (not much pressure to my chair? I hope they can resist). Now that Biden's in and it's Black History Month they are in bonanza mode. Although he's not overly upfront over politics, I suspect Albert really can't fly under the radar too much because he's received outstanding businessman and such awards from conservative organizations. This premature attrition is a drag for me because I was 'reaching out' to Albert in the hopes of forming an informal conservative coalition.
Quote from: mahagonny on February 09, 2021, 07:30:29 AM
QuoteAnd as always, I'd love to see some evidence that this is actually a problem for people, whether TT or non-TT.
More answers to this question. You asked; I'm giving. I'll try not to be incoherent.
I just got off the phone with a colleague, Albert, in another department who is just a few years older than me but not ready to retire. Nevertheless, he is calling it quits after this semester. I am covering his course while he 'recuperates from a brief illness.' He let me know he is very tired of being ostracized for his political views. His department is the only one that is named as an ally in the recent communications from the diversity and inclusion mafia team which announces their new 'series' (not much pressure to my chair? I hope they can resist). Now that Biden's in and it's Black History Month they are in bonanza mode. Although he's not overly upfront over politics, I suspect Albert really can't fly under the radar too much because he's received outstanding businessman and such awards from conservative organizations. This premature attrition is a drag for me because I was 'reaching out' to Albert in the hopes of forming an informal conservative coalition.
So a guy you know is upset about how people perceive his politics? Ok. Is he actually in danger of being fired for his politics? What does this have to do with tenure?
Look I'm sure some people think their political views are unwelcome. At my place, there are MAGA students who would be unhappy if I noted that their dear leader tried to upend American democracy, and there are surely woke students who would be mad if I insisted that there are only two genders. The questions are: (1) Would this get anyone fired? (2) Does tenure have anything to do with this conversation? There is no evidence that I am aware of to support the idea that tenure track faculty are systematically being denied tenure because they said something off color, which is apparently the point of this thread.* Someone can do a systematic study to try to provide this evidence, and maybe somebody already has, but the "evidence" that you are offering (unsubstantiated claims by some guy on youtube or your friend Albert) doesn't cut it.
* As noted above, the only case of this that I am aware of is Norman Finkelstein, who claims he was denied for criticizing Israel, and certainly it is the case that Alan Dershowitz (conservative hero) tried to get him denied for that reason.
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on February 09, 2021, 07:50:10 AM
Quote from: mahagonny on February 09, 2021, 07:30:29 AM
QuoteAnd as always, I'd love to see some evidence that this is actually a problem for people, whether TT or non-TT.
More answers to this question. You asked; I'm giving. I'll try not to be incoherent.
I just got off the phone with a colleague, Albert, in another department who is just a few years older than me but not ready to retire. Nevertheless, he is calling it quits after this semester. I am covering his course while he 'recuperates from a brief illness.' He let me know he is very tired of being ostracized for his political views. His department is the only one that is named as an ally in the recent communications from the diversity and inclusion mafia team which announces their new 'series' (not much pressure to my chair? I hope they can resist). Now that Biden's in and it's Black History Month they are in bonanza mode. Although he's not overly upfront over politics, I suspect Albert really can't fly under the radar too much because he's received outstanding businessman and such awards from conservative organizations. This premature attrition is a drag for me because I was 'reaching out' to Albert in the hopes of forming an informal conservative coalition.
So a guy you know is upset about how people perceive his politics? Ok. Is he actually in danger of being fired for his politics? What does this have to do with tenure?
Being full time his schedule gets filled, but he's designed a lot of courses that have been taken from him and given to other less qualified faculty, some of whom have then asked him to 'share' his class preps with them. I don't know that he is in danger of being fired, but if he is fired, then we'll know that he was in danger of being fired prior to getting fired. What is clear is that he is unwelcome, is retiring earlier than he would have preferred, to the pleasure of many in the department, because he is not adding anything to their militancy, and several have shouted him down for his failure to appreciate the urgent need for antiracism movement and such. And his departure reinforces the thing that you and I have agreed is unhealthy, the lack of political diversity in higher education.
The pre-tenure probation period is where academics get trained to suppress any views that don't blend with what is called liberalism today. And that's how academia consolidates and expands its liberal influence and how the democratic party keeps its stronghold there and in publishing.
Quote from: mahagonny on February 09, 2021, 11:41:57 AM
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on February 09, 2021, 07:50:10 AM
Quote from: mahagonny on February 09, 2021, 07:30:29 AM
QuoteAnd as always, I'd love to see some evidence that this is actually a problem for people, whether TT or non-TT.
More answers to this question. You asked; I'm giving. I'll try not to be incoherent.
I just got off the phone with a colleague, Albert, in another department who is just a few years older than me but not ready to retire. Nevertheless, he is calling it quits after this semester. I am covering his course while he 'recuperates from a brief illness.' He let me know he is very tired of being ostracized for his political views. His department is the only one that is named as an ally in the recent communications from the diversity and inclusion mafia team which announces their new 'series' (not much pressure to my chair? I hope they can resist). Now that Biden's in and it's Black History Month they are in bonanza mode. Although he's not overly upfront over politics, I suspect Albert really can't fly under the radar too much because he's received outstanding businessman and such awards from conservative organizations. This premature attrition is a drag for me because I was 'reaching out' to Albert in the hopes of forming an informal conservative coalition.
So a guy you know is upset about how people perceive his politics? Ok. Is he actually in danger of being fired for his politics? What does this have to do with tenure?
Being full time his schedule gets filled, but he's designed a lot of courses that have been taken from him and given to other less qualified faculty, some of whom have then asked him to 'share' his class preps with them. I don't know that he is in danger of being fired, but if he is fired, then we'll know that he was in danger of being fired prior to getting fired. What is clear is that he is unwelcome, is retiring earlier than he would have preferred, to the pleasure of many in the department, because he is not adding anything to their militancy, and several have shouted him down for his failure to appreciate the urgent need for antiracism movement and such. And his departure reinforces the thing that you and I have agreed is unhealthy, the lack of political diversity in higher education.
The pre-tenure probation period is where academics get trained to suppress any views that don't blend with what is called liberalism today. And that's how academia consolidates and expands its liberal influence and how the democratic party keeps its stronghold there and in publishing.
The bolded is far from my own experience. Nobody in my department cares if I am liberal or conservative, as long as I publish well, get decent teaching evaluations, and don't create any headaches for the chair or dean. There are quite a few conservative students (perhaps a function of my geographic setting) and some conservative faculty as well. The university overlords mostly look for ways to cut costs and be "innovative," and as far as I can tell they don't care at all about progressive causes, let alone about whether some random faculty member is liberal or conservative.
As far as publishing, I write articles and review manuscripts for others, and the bias I see in publishing has little to do with political affiliation and much more to do with whether the p-value is below 0.05. Once in a while someone publishes something controversial and they get attacked on social media (which I usually think is bad practice on the part of tweeters) but these are rare instances as far as I can see.
The theory you put forward about tenure and the Democratic party is about the most convoluted explanation imaginable for why academics tend to vote for Democrats. I can think of about five much simpler explanations having to do with things like education level and the policy platform of each party. And the evidence you have provided is, frankly, so weak that it is not even worth responding to. There is also no logical reason you have offered as to why tenure track faculty would be incentivized to behave any differently than NTT, which deflates the whole purpose of this thread.
But since you seem firmly in your corner, despite lacking evidence or reason to support your contentions, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on February 09, 2021, 01:49:40 PM
Quote from: mahagonny on February 09, 2021, 11:41:57 AM
Being full time his schedule gets filled, but he's designed a lot of courses that have been taken from him and given to other less qualified faculty, some of whom have then asked him to 'share' his class preps with them. I don't know that he is in danger of being fired, but if he is fired, then we'll know that he was in danger of being fired prior to getting fired. What is clear is that he is unwelcome, is retiring earlier than he would have preferred, to the pleasure of many in the department, because he is not adding anything to their militancy, and several have shouted him down for his failure to appreciate the urgent need for antiracism movement and such. And his departure reinforces the thing that you and I have agreed is unhealthy, the lack of political diversity in higher education.
The pre-tenure probation period is where academics get trained to suppress any views that don't blend with what is called liberalism today. And that's how academia consolidates and expands its liberal influence and how the democratic party keeps its stronghold there and in publishing.
The bolded is far from my own experience.
If you began your career with liberal views then of course no one had to train you out of them. What I'm getting at is just because you had the opportunity to be yourself as long as your performance was solid that doesn't mean all others did or thought they did.
QuoteNobody in my department cares if I am liberal or conservative, as long as I publish well, get decent teaching evaluations, and don't create any headaches for the chair or dean. There are quite a few conservative students (perhaps a function of my geographic setting) and some conservative faculty as well. The university overlords mostly look for ways to cut costs and be "innovative," and as far as I can tell they don't care at all about progressive causes, let alone about whether some random faculty member is liberal or conservative.
I don't think mine care about progressive causes either. That doesn't mean they're not aiding in the intolerant climate. What they care about is which was the wind blows. And it's blowing hard left so they're got all their sails out. They take their cues from the colleges who have the big antiracism stars. The trendsetters.
QuoteI guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
You bet.
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on February 09, 2021, 01:49:40 PM
The bolded is far from my own experience. Nobody in my department cares if I am liberal or conservative, as long as I publish well, get decent teaching evaluations, and don't create any headaches for the chair or dean.
This was exactly the advice I was given as a new faculty member by my chair, only he phrased #3 as "maintain a low pissant quotient".
It might not be so exasperating having to work alongside people you don't agree with if they weren't also putting demands on you or baiting you. Our Diversity Team has a reading list for 'those who want to explore their journey as white people'. Or some such. Everything on the reading list, down to the last comma, is written by one or another notably liberal sociology, literature professor or historian. Not one John McWhorter (just published book #20), Glenn Loury, Tom Sowell, Shelby Steele, Jason Riley, Walter E. Williams. That's a lot of black thinkers to ignore. How is it antiracist to kick them out of the library? Jordan Peterson? Forget it.
White women writers, actresses and media talking heads, as Bill Maher points out, have been especially good at getting on the social justice bandwagon for blacks. Wait till they find out they're 'Karen.'
This morning Albert was telling me of a black colleague who told him angrily 'you have no idea what we have to endure being black in America.' This was the response he got for telling her he thought she was doing great and should be pleased. Thing is, they know who is he is. He's outed, he voted for Trump, Romney, McCain and Bush. He can't hide now. This didn't start with Trumpism, although he escalated it. Thing is too, you are supposed to be trying hard, every day, throughout the day, to understand what it might be like to be a black American, but you are racist if you think you might be close to learning it. You are also racist if you've given up on trying to figure out what it is like, which would be a logical decision for anyone who has tried hard with zero encouragement.
Surprise: there are also many blacks who are equally tired of the 'antiracism' chant. They're just busy living their lives, working, hanging out with the grandkids, reading, cooking etc. That bourgeois American stuff.
Quote from: jimbogumbo on February 09, 2021, 03:24:53 PM
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on February 09, 2021, 01:49:40 PM
The bolded is far from my own experience. Nobody in my department cares if I am liberal or conservative, as long as I publish well, get decent teaching evaluations, and don't create any headaches for the chair or dean.
This was exactly the advice I was given as a new faculty member by my chair, only he phrased #3 as "maintain a low pissant quotient".
another liberal who found acceptance in academia. We're learning a lot here.
My third chair and I drank beer together for years at dive bars, played basketball and argued about politics. He was completely Fox News and Drudge. It's pretty clear you have no idea what is required to be accepted in a Math Department.
Quote from: jimbogumbo on February 09, 2021, 04:03:10 PM
My third chair and I drank beer together for years at dive bars, played basketball and argued about politics. He was completely Fox News and Drudge. It's pretty clear you have no idea what is required to be accepted in a Math Department.
Math is different. You actually solve things, and people can see when you've done it. Cures a lot of ills.
Replace the academic stuff with child abuse, and this is like reading a Qanon screed.
Quote from: Parasaurolophus on February 09, 2021, 07:10:47 PM
Replace the academic stuff with child abuse, and this is like reading a Qanon screed.
i'm not a statistician, but I'll do my best...some things can appear to produce a result that could have been the result of a conspiracy whereas they are more just a convergence of dynamics resulting in that community self selecting for certain types. And continuing that way, because the people who could change it are happy enough.
Quote from: mahagonny on February 10, 2021, 09:08:32 AM
Quote from: Parasaurolophus on February 09, 2021, 07:10:47 PM
Replace the academic stuff with child abuse, and this is like reading a Qanon screed.
i'm not a statistician, but I'll do my best...some things can appear to produce a result that could have been the result of a conspiracy whereas they are more just a convergence of dynamics resulting in that community self selecting for certain types. And continuing that way, because the people who could change it are happy enough.
Obviously