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Started by Ancient Fellow, June 21, 2024, 07:44:54 AM

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ciao_yall

Quote from: kaysixteen on July 08, 2024, 06:48:03 PMThe prob I saw in this story is that by firing the three deans, the prez (in an obvious desperate attempt to save her own job, btw) has essentially ruined the careers of these three professionals.  What is their recourse, their likely chance of success in a lawsuit?  Having been publicly labelled 'anti-semite', might as well just be the same as 'Nazi', or even 'Holocaust-denier'...

I read the texts. They were grossly unprofessional and, yes, anti-semitic.

Why shouldn't people be held accountable for their own actions?

kaysixteen

What exactly do these texts say, the whole of them, in context?  Have you seen the whole of them, in context?

We can perhaps also discuss the importance of academic freedom and not having one's private texts snooped on... did anything in the texts threaten anyone? Suggest that the deans in question would act disparately in the course of their professional responsibiities to people based on religion or ethnicity?

spork

As I mentioned upthread, the deans deserved to be fired solely because of their demonstrated stupidity. Dave Chappelle once said that there are two words that you should say together in Hollywood -- "the" and "Jews." Same concept applies here. It's bad for the brand.

It's terrible writing, used to obfuscate the fact that the authors actually have nothing to say.

treeoflife

Academic freedom in relation to texts sent by administrators? Have you read the articles?

The request for context is interesting, there is no mention of context when other groups of students and professors ask for equitable treatment. It is very telling.

Quote from: kaysixteen on July 08, 2024, 11:34:50 PMWhat exactly do these texts say, the whole of them, in context?  Have you seen the whole of them, in context?

We can perhaps also discuss the importance of academic freedom and not having one's private texts snooped on... did anything in the texts threaten anyone? Suggest that the deans in question would act disparately in the course of their professional responsibiities to people based on religion or ethnicity?

Dismal

Quotedid anything in the texts threaten anyone? Suggest that the deans in question would act disparately in the course of their professional responsibiities to people based on religion or ethnicity?

Sure it is possible they could argue that they use the barf emoji for all religions and ethnicities

Parasaurolophus

NPR linked to the texts, which the congressional committee released (here). I... don't see the anti-semitic tropes being touched on.

NPR reports that the fundraising comment concerns "Jews on campus," rather than whoever is speaking to them. That's not at all clear from the texts. Shrug.
I know it's a genus.

dismalist

It's perfectly legal to watch porn. Yet people have been fired for having been caught at it on their work computer.

This Columbia case is analogous.
That's not even wrong!
--Wolfgang Pauli

ciao_yall

Quote from: Parasaurolophus on July 09, 2024, 01:07:35 PMNPR linked to the texts, which the congressional committee released (here). I... don't see the anti-semitic tropes being touched on.

NPR reports that the fundraising comment concerns "Jews on campus," rather than whoever is speaking to them. That's not at all clear from the texts. Shrug.

The texts were accusing them of milking perceived anti-semitism to raise money, which is kind of a Jewy superpower.




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treeoflife

Quote from: jimbogumbo on July 12, 2024, 05:53:21 AMJust, wow. Columbia is messed up: https://www.insidehighered.com/#
The conflation of political activists with scholars has done serious damage to academia.