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Quote from: Mobius on December 24, 2023, 05:00:34 PMWhat did your yearly reviews look like? Anyone in a TT position should be on the lookout during third-year review and the year they go up.
QuoteMy understanding of why people should be on the market during their review years is that:(a) nothing is ever guaranteed and it is a good idea to have a backup;(b) you have already put together all of your publications, written explanations of your teaching and research, and that transferring this to a job application would not be so much trouble;(c) you are likely at your professional peak during these times, having done your best to publish as much as possible, that you are as likely as ever to get a job then.
Quote from: clean on December 28, 2023, 05:37:16 PMFinally, should things not work out, then you WILL be on the market next year, but if you are now on the market you will have the big "REJECT" stamp on your forehead. You will not only be looking for a job, but you will also spend at least part of the process addressing the elephant in the room. Someone on the committee or at the next place will certainly wonder 'what is wrong with the reject". THere are usually more than enough applicants for any job. It is easier to cull the applicant list by asking "is there any reason to pass on this application and find a better fit" than to find a reason to interview every one. There are only so many hours in the day! Bottom line, while you are up for tenure and on the market you are a star looking for a better location (or whatever you justify to interview with any particular location (better weather, better pay, better students, better life fit, closer to family...), but once you are denied (for any reason), you become a desperate 'reject' who is counting the days until they are unemployed.
Quote from: jerseyjay on December 28, 2023, 07:44:22 AMAll that said, I did not follow this advice. Putting together (for me yearly) tenure-track dossiers and going through the review process sucked so much time and energy out of me, and in any way, I actually wanted to stay where I was.
Quote from: AJ_Katz on December 28, 2023, 07:23:38 AMQuote from: Mobius on December 24, 2023, 05:00:34 PMWhat did your yearly reviews look like? Anyone in a TT position should be on the lookout during third-year review and the year they go up.Could others here please help me understand why we always advise people to be on the market at the same time as a third year review or even while going up for tenure? This seems like the kind of thing that only those people anticipating a failed promotion should be doing. It takes so much effort to put together a polished dossier that trying to simultaneously be on the job market seems like it could create a recipe for failure. Additionally, most promotion cases are successful so unless your annual reviews suggest you are not on track, why put yourself through the additional stress of also trying to be on the job market? I think it creates a lot of unnecessary stress, especially for those people that are doing well and on track for promotion.All that being said, the other aspects of this person's story seem more disconcerting. If the position is not expected to be continued due to budgetary constraints or otherwise, then yes, be on the market. But why would you want to re-start the clock? If you are doing well and are leaving because of the situation at the institution, wouldn't you want to take years of credit with you? There seems to be some details missing from this post that would be helpful to know. I could see an interpretation of this post where the OP is simply over-reacting when they are actually doing just fine and becoming hyper-focused on inconsequential factors.