Quote from: spork on May 04, 2024, 05:07:40 PMQuote from: Wahoo Redux on May 04, 2024, 02:34:20 PM[. . .]
enacting a paradigm that is rather self-serving.
in the way described by the X tweet I posted upthread.
Quote from: Parasaurolophus on May 04, 2024, 08:47:49 AMMore T1ing today.I'd like to start writing up that referee report, too.
Quote from: Wahoo Redux on May 04, 2024, 02:34:20 PM[. . .]
enacting a paradigm that is rather self-serving.
Quote from: marshwiggle on May 04, 2024, 07:44:55 AMQuote from: Wahoo Redux on May 03, 2024, 08:57:21 PMAnd for the record, I think one can be anti-occupation and anti-occupied Palestine without being antisemitic. Israel has things to answer for and America should stop supporting her until she becomes a humane state. Oh, and Hamas is a terrorist organization.
However, we have been marching, screaming, occupying, and fighting police for close to a hundred years if you count the Bonus Army of 1932. MLK prevailed because of his maturity in the face of oppression. Now we have kids occupying their very vulnerable college campuses, resisting when given lawful commands by the police, and then crying to the media when they are arrested. And many people have a specific kneejerk reaction, "The students were peaceful," as if that gives them the right to break the law.
We need a new cultural imagination to meet our challenges. I don't think the old system is working any more.
Well said. What I think many young people don't get is that MLK modelled his actions on Gandhi, and both of them saw that their protests were only a pointer to the social change that would inevitably happen in a basically moral society. No protest had to achieve specific, short term results. The impatience of protests now requires that they have concrete, immediate outcomes, so the disruption has to escalate until they win.
"Getting out the message" has been replaced by "getting in peoples' faces until they cave."
Quote from: Parasaurolophus on May 04, 2024, 08:47:22 AMQuote from: Wahoo Redux on May 03, 2024, 08:57:21 PMQuote from: Parasaurolophus on May 03, 2024, 05:48:38 PMFor my part, I would be curious to know how many especially among those most vocally dismissive or sneering of these protests--have ever participated in a protest of heir own. Because I see a lot of tarring with broad brushes going on.
Dude, I grew up on the west coast in the '80s.
I observed my fair share of protests and participated in several. That's part of the reason I think this style of protest has turned sour.
Nevertheless, I marched against the first Gulf War because at the time it seemed like a very scary prospect. It did not (yet) lead to World War III, but I think we've seen a whole series of atrocities on all sides in part because of it (no facile answers to what we should have done exist, BTW).
So yeah, I've seen protests.
And for the record, I think one can be anti-occupation and anti-occupied Palestine without being antisemitic. Israel has things to answer for and America should stop supporting her until she becomes a humane state. Oh, and Hamas is a terrorist organization.
However, we have been marching, screaming, occupying, and fighting police for close to a hundred years if you count the Bonus Army of 1932. MLK prevailed because of his maturity in the face of oppression. Now we have kids occupying their very vulnerable college campuses, resisting when given lawful commands by the police, and then crying to the media when they are arrested. And many people have a specific kneejerk reaction, "The students were peaceful," as if that gives them the right to break the law.
We need a new cultural imagination to meet our challenges. I don't think the old system is working any more.
FWIW, I didn't have you in mind.