https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/byron-yorks-daily-memo-second-thoughts-about-voting-for-joe-biden
Discuss if you feel so inclined. Or scroll past. Have a nice day!
Bonus: The Republican Party Now Stands For Nothing
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-gop-now-stands-for-nothing/ar-AAKu0zC
Here I think I would have to disagree. As long as it stands in opposition to today's democratic party, it's important. Mess that it may be.
You're right, Republicans do stand for something-- the end of democracy in the USA. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/05/27/republicans-are-not-disarray-theyre-united-their-attack-democracy/) They stand for competitive authoritarianism (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/22432229/democracy-america-democratic-party-reform).
Incredibly dishonest framing. Statistically speaking, there's not much difference between 97, 95 and 93.
The title of this thread should actually be "Biden's polling is remarkably steady" and the link should be to 538's poll aggregator instead of a crappy oped from a partisan outlet. Here's a much more useful set of polls, in case OP is interested in learning something today (scroll down to see the most recent Fox News poll, which finds 54% approval of Biden, and scroll down a little further to compare Biden with the last guy): https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/?ex_cid=rrpromo
Remarkably Few Voters Have Second Thoughts About Jewish Space Lasers
Quote from: spork on May 29, 2021, 11:04:44 AM
Remarkably Few Voters Have Second Thoughts About Jewish Space Lasers
Good to know!
Quote from: spork on May 29, 2021, 11:04:44 AM
Remarkably Few Voters Have Second Thoughts About Jewish Space Lasers
But do Jewish space lasers have second thoughts about
you?
Jewish space lasers have passed the Turing test? Oh my.
Quote from: jimbogumbo on May 29, 2021, 05:18:06 PM
Jewish space lasers have passed the Turing test? Oh my.
I've been thinking, recently, that all you need to pass the Turing test is a bot programmed to be a MAGAtroll.
Quote from: jimbogumbo on May 29, 2021, 05:18:06 PM
Jewish space lasers have passed the Turing test? Oh my.
Jewish space lasers are selling merch! (https://dissentpins.com/collections/secret-jewish-space-laser). Mazel tough indeed.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
May 28 was different from today.
Quote from: mahagonny on July 12, 2021, 07:53:39 PM
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/
May 28 was different from today.
Biden's approval has perhaps slipped, although it looks more like his disapproval has risen, which is not really surprising. That said, the 538 tracker shows that he is at 51.6% approval and he won 51.3% of the popular vote, so it isn't clear that Biden voters are having second thoughts (as thread title asserts). It is also the case that his approval is at 52.3% if you look at likely or registered voters, which is higher than on, for example, May 15th or June 20th.
In any case, if you scroll down a little on the 538 link you can compare Biden to other presidents. When you do, you'll see that his polling is more consistent than any other, except perhaps the former guy, who never came close to 50% approval.
I may be an outlier, but my impression of Biden has improved since he took office. He was never my first (or second or third) choice in the primary, and I didn't really have high hopes when I voted for him in the general election. But he's exceeded my expectations in terms of message discipline and being on-point compared to what I would have expected from his past performance.
Quote from: pepsi_alum on July 13, 2021, 07:56:02 PM
I may be an outlier, but my impression of Biden has improved since he took office. He was never my first (or second or third) choice in the primary, and I didn't really have high hopes when I voted for him in the general election. But he's exceeded my expectations in terms of message discipline and being on-point compared to what I would have expected from his past performance.
So since he campaigned on a platform of unifying the nation, I can only conclude that you think
(1) a promise such as that one was meant for fools, or
(2) we are united, we just haven't noticed it yet, or
(3) ?
I suspect academics are becoming outliers where voting will be concerned. I watched a teachers' union livestream the other day and actually considered quitting my unions. And for the first time Betsy DeVos sounded halfway reasonable to me.
And much was posted here and elsewhere about how we really shouldn't expect a 'united' society, but at least one where we aren't at each other's throats would be preferable. But a statement such as GA election reform effort is Jim Crow all over again is classic Biden partisan grandstanding, at one time might have been called a gaffe, anything but good faith argument. And the 'anti-racist' stuff flooding into schools is extremely divisive, and Biden's taken the less popular side of the debate.
Taking an incredibly fractured public and you're dissing him on unity based on...what...6 months? Really? When the Republicans are still fantasizing about the last election? As Joe might say "Gimme a break!"
Quote from: waterboy on July 14, 2021, 04:42:57 AM
Taking an incredibly fractured public and you're dissing him on unity based on...what...6 months? Really? When the Republicans are still fantasizing about the last election? As Joe might say "Gimme a break!"
"The republicans" do not all think the same things about the last election. Some think it was definitely stolen, some like William Barr, think it was definitely not stolen, and we should forget about it. Others might be somewhere in the middle, for instance the view that there were more irregularities than usual and there's enough reason to be concerned. The latest involves people in GA who have moved yet voted in their previous neighborhood. These discussions do not continue to have life merely because some are fanatical.
The view from much of the left, regarding a less divided nation, seems to be that the progressive ideas now being pushed will be accepted in time, as was for example, gay marriage. They won't be, I predict. Stigmatizing whiteness is something that people see rightly as, one, bearing cost to certain people, and two, not reasonably expected to produce the advertised result to others. Joe seems to be on board 100%, unless he's just planning to say later 'well I tried...those conservative judges blocked us...too bad' or something like that.
ETA: Some republicans are scared and annoyed thinking 'if voting is as easy as farting and the government gives away money and health care all the time and doesn't control its borders, and if I say anything about it I'm a racist, then what kind of leaders are we going to get. And how would this be any kind of responsible way to take care of our society?'
con't
yes, you make a good point. No one has a magic wand that can make the USA stop fighting right away. I just wonder if we've passed the point of no return.
Quote from: mahagonny on July 14, 2021, 06:08:24 PM
Quote from: waterboy on July 14, 2021, 04:42:57 AM
Taking an incredibly fractured public and you're dissing him on unity based on...what...6 months? Really? When the Republicans are still fantasizing about the last election? As Joe might say "Gimme a break!"
"The republicans" do not all think the same things about the last election. Some think it was definitely stolen, some like William Barr, think it was definitely not stolen, and we should forget about it. Others might be somewhere in the middle, for instance the view that there were more irregularities than usual and there's enough reason to be concerned. The latest involves people in GA who have moved yet voted in their previous neighborhood. These discussions do not continue to have life merely because some are fanatical.
This is quite a stretch when most Republicans in the House, many Republican legislatures at the state-level, and the last Republican president (who all Republican politicians say is the party's leader) are making evidence-free allegations of fraud all the time in an effort to undermine confidence in American democracy.
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on July 14, 2021, 08:44:21 PM
Quote from: mahagonny on July 14, 2021, 06:08:24 PM
Quote from: waterboy on July 14, 2021, 04:42:57 AM
Taking an incredibly fractured public and you're dissing him on unity based on...what...6 months? Really? When the Republicans are still fantasizing about the last election? As Joe might say "Gimme a break!"
"The republicans" do not all think the same things about the last election. Some think it was definitely stolen, some like William Barr, think it was definitely not stolen, and we should forget about it. Others might be somewhere in the middle, for instance the view that there were more irregularities than usual and there's enough reason to be concerned. The latest involves people in GA who have moved yet voted in their previous neighborhood. These discussions do not continue to have life merely because some are fanatical.
This is quite a stretch when most Republicans in the House, many Republican legislatures at the state-level, and the last Republican president (who all Republican politicians say is the party's leader) are making evidence-free allegations of fraud all the time in an effort to undermine confidence in American democracy.
This last part of your post is an evidence-free (your term) attribution of motives. Some maybe making allegations of fraud without citing data, but that doesn't mean there isn't evidence.
Quote from: mahagonny on July 14, 2021, 09:09:42 PM
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on July 14, 2021, 08:44:21 PM
Quote from: mahagonny on July 14, 2021, 06:08:24 PM
Quote from: waterboy on July 14, 2021, 04:42:57 AM
Taking an incredibly fractured public and you're dissing him on unity based on...what...6 months? Really? When the Republicans are still fantasizing about the last election? As Joe might say "Gimme a break!"
"The republicans" do not all think the same things about the last election. Some think it was definitely stolen, some like William Barr, think it was definitely not stolen, and we should forget about it. Others might be somewhere in the middle, for instance the view that there were more irregularities than usual and there's enough reason to be concerned. The latest involves people in GA who have moved yet voted in their previous neighborhood. These discussions do not continue to have life merely because some are fanatical.
This is quite a stretch when most Republicans in the House, many Republican legislatures at the state-level, and the last Republican president (who all Republican politicians say is the party's leader) are making evidence-free allegations of fraud all the time in an effort to undermine confidence in American democracy.
This last part of your post is an evidence-free (your term) attribution of motives. Some maybe making allegations of fraud without citing data, but that doesn't mean there isn't evidence.
There is no evidence of fraud, there have been several professional audits, and law enforcement agencies across the country have assessed the election repeatedly and found it to be free and fair. A person who contends that there was fraud is either cynically lying or massively stupid. If the former, then they are actively trying to undermine American democracy, if the latter then they are unintentionally undermining American democracy due to their own stupidity and gullibility of people who say things like:
Quote from: mahagonny on July 14, 2021, 09:09:42 PM
Some maybe making allegations of fraud without citing data, but that doesn't mean there isn't evidence.
And, per your request, here are a few citations to show that these people lied in an effort to undermine the will of American voters:
- Guiliani tells Trump team to declare victory on election as they all saw red mirage fading: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/jul/13/rudy-giuliani-trump-book
- Trump planned to claim victory prematurely: trump-claim-election-victory-ballots-97eb12b9-5e35-402f-9ea3-0ccfb47f613f.html
- Trump claimed the election was rigged months before the election: https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/donald-trump-is-attacking-american-democracy-at-its-core
And let's not pretend that this is the first idiotic conspiracy that has captivated the modern GOP. I'm sure you remember Birtherism, another conspiracy theory cynically advanced by Republican politicians in order to make dim witted voters doubt the legitimacy of America's rightly elected president.
And I suppose you were about this annoyed in 2016 when Hillary lost but many democrats refused to believe the count was accurate.
Red herring.
Nothing...and I mean nothing... happened after 2016 that remotely came close to the attacks on democracy that have been driven by republicans since the 2020 election. To offer that is indeed a red herring and, frankly, disgraceful.
I too thought the 'insurrection' (if that's what it was) was disgraceful and I spent a good two or three weeks in shock from it. But the things I've seen since then are altogether different. Sure, republicans give lip service to agreeing with Trump, but that doesn't mean they believe the election was flat out stolen. It may turn out Trump was the last thing standing between our beloved nation and the budding theocracy of antiracism. Although I still have hopes that some of the conservative intellectuals (most of them black) can step up to the plate and save us. Ibram Kendi is the man of the hour and he is an antisocial cult leader. Harris and Biden are looking more and more like they're just riding his coattails while they can. The only freedom Trump would have deprived us of would be the freedom to not choose him as president. the other group will take away much more than that.
Let's try acting like a Socratic teacher here-- what is your evidence for these claims?
My opinion has indeed changed...for the better.
As someone said upthread, I would have preferred someone different....two or three someones come to mind.
But he's clear-headed, works hard, and builds harmony, or tries to, not negativity built on deceit.
It's so refreshing having an adult with the appropriate skills for good governance in the White House again....
M.
Quote from: kaysixteen on July 15, 2021, 10:39:10 PM
Let's try acting like a Socratic teacher here-- what is your evidence for these claims?
A minute and a half read and the tyranny being planned should be clear. This department of anti-racism would have the authority to supersede anyone, including the POTUS, by controlling what we say and hear. It could decree that the president's state of the union address was inaccurate and needs corrections. The president, the congress and the courts will be puppets to the antiracist dogma.
And of course, the size of government to monitor and enforce 'antiracism' in every sphere? Unlimited. Spying? Censorship? Of course.
And let's remember too, a leader of the only and one true religion doesn't have to proclaim himself the leader to get himself annointed. Right now he's trying to win the debate by neutralizing it. Gentle as a lamb -- 'the anti-racist opponents are having an argument with themselves. There's no argument.'
https://www.politico.com/interactives/2019/how-to-fix-politics-in-america/inequality/pass-an-anti-racist-constitutional-amendment/
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/opponents-critical-race-theory-are-arguing-themselves/619391/
Apropos os this, here's another pleasant Friday morning read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reich_Ministry_of_Public_Enlightenment_and_Propaganda
Quote from: mahagonny on July 15, 2021, 12:09:38 PM
And I suppose you were about this annoyed in 2016 when Hillary lost but many democrats refused to believe the count was accurate.
I don't recall democrats refusing to believe the count was accurate. What I do recall is some saying that Trump was an illegitimate president because of Russian interference in the election and collusion. And while such interference certainly did happen (collusion probably not), I did think that kind of talk was dangerous for democracy and I said as much.
None of that excuses the lying and outright sedition from Republicans, accompanied by efforts to overturn the results of a free and fair election on the basis of idiotic conspiracy theories.
I guess I can understand how anti-racism would feel threatening to you if you are a straight-up racist.
That discomfort that some white folks are feeling around how people are talking about race that they just cannot seem to deal with? That is a tiny fraction of the discomfort and inconvenience experienced by BIPIC folks in how they are talked about and treated due to - wait for it - race. But because it is now happening to white people (OMG we're being stereotyped because of our skin color - how appalling), suddenly it's the existential threat of our time. It would be funny if it weren't so tragic.
Quote from: mahagonny on July 15, 2021, 03:19:03 PM
I too thought the 'insurrection' (if that's what it was) was disgraceful and I spent a good two or three weeks in shock from it. But the things I've seen since then are altogether different. Sure, republicans give lip service to agreeing with Trump, but that doesn't mean they believe the election was flat out stolen. It may turn out Trump was the last thing standing between our beloved nation and the budding theocracy of antiracism. Although I still have hopes that some of the conservative intellectuals (most of them black) can step up to the plate and save us. Ibram Kendi is the man of the hour and he is an antisocial cult leader. Harris and Biden are looking more and more like they're just riding his coattails while they can. The only freedom Trump would have deprived us of would be the freedom to not choose him as president. the other group will take away much more than that.
Smh at conservatives thinking that we should have overthrown American democracy because they are so afraid of "anti-racism." Doesn't get much more anti-American than that folks.
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on July 16, 2021, 08:18:36 AM
Quote from: mahagonny on July 15, 2021, 03:19:03 PM
I too thought the 'insurrection' (if that's what it was) was disgraceful and I spent a good two or three weeks in shock from it. But the things I've seen since then are altogether different. Sure, republicans give lip service to agreeing with Trump, but that doesn't mean they believe the election was flat out stolen. It may turn out Trump was the last thing standing between our beloved nation and the budding theocracy of antiracism. Although I still have hopes that some of the conservative intellectuals (most of them black) can step up to the plate and save us. Ibram Kendi is the man of the hour and he is an antisocial cult leader. Harris and Biden are looking more and more like they're just riding his coattails while they can. The only freedom Trump would have deprived us of would be the freedom to not choose him as president. the other group will take away much more than that.
Smh at conservatives thinking that we should have overthrown American democracy because they are so afraid of "anti-racism." Doesn't get much more anti-American than that folks.
I didn't say that. Read more carefully please. The January 6 events happened. I cannot influence the dynamics leading up to it by what I think about afterward. What will happen now is a matter for speculation. I was upset by the January 6 events.
Also, sometime ago I posted that if Trump were re-elected I feared that he would act to have the two-term limit repealed. Many forumites agreed, with shared concern. Though they had not thought of that.
But I do appreciate your use of quotations for the term 'anti-racism' since we know it is a lie. Thank you.
Quote from: Istiblennius on July 16, 2021, 08:17:12 AM
I guess I can understand how anti-racism would feel threatening to you if you are a straight-up racist.
That discomfort that some white folks are feeling around how people are talking about race that they just cannot seem to deal with? That is a tiny fraction of the discomfort and inconvenience experienced by BIPIC folks in how they are talked about and treated due to - wait for it - race. But because it is now happening to white people (OMG we're being stereotyped because of our skin color - how appalling), suddenly it's the existential threat of our time. It would be funny if it weren't so tragic.
From the liberal views handbook, 2021 edition.
Question: do you think we need a new branch of government that can dictate policy and censor all the present existing ones? Staffed with people the president of congress may not appoint, the public doesn't elect, whose only credentials are training in Kendi's dogma? Nothing happens until it is 'precleared' by these eminently wise and beneficent folks. If you do, you are certified 'anti-racist'.
It's OK to say 'wait...I'm not sure.'
Quote from: mahagonny on July 16, 2021, 08:28:33 AM
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on July 16, 2021, 08:18:36 AM
Quote from: mahagonny on July 15, 2021, 03:19:03 PM
I too thought the 'insurrection' (if that's what it was) was disgraceful and I spent a good two or three weeks in shock from it. But the things I've seen since then are altogether different. Sure, republicans give lip service to agreeing with Trump, but that doesn't mean they believe the election was flat out stolen. It may turn out Trump was the last thing standing between our beloved nation and the budding theocracy of antiracism. Although I still have hopes that some of the conservative intellectuals (most of them black) can step up to the plate and save us. Ibram Kendi is the man of the hour and he is an antisocial cult leader. Harris and Biden are looking more and more like they're just riding his coattails while they can. The only freedom Trump would have deprived us of would be the freedom to not choose him as president. the other group will take away much more than that.
Smh at conservatives thinking that we should have overthrown American democracy because they are so afraid of "anti-racism." Doesn't get much more anti-American than that folks.
I didn't say that. Read more carefully please. The January 6 events happened. I cannot influence the dynamics leading up to it by what I think about afterward. What will happen now is a matter for speculation. I was upset by the January 6 events.
Also, sometime ago I posted that if Trump were re-elected I feared that he would act to have the two-term limit repealed. Many forumites agreed, with shared concern. Though they had not thought of that.
But I do appreciate your use of quotations for the term 'anti-racism' since we know it is a lie. Thank you.
Quotation marks don't mean what you think they mean, Mahagonny. And I do read your posts carefully (which is hard since they are often incoherent word salads). Here is what you said:
Quote from: mahagonny on July 15, 2021, 03:19:03 PM
The only freedom Trump would have deprived us of would be the freedom to not choose him as president. the other group will take away much more than that.
Sounds like you'd be happier in a country where there are no elections and no racial diversity.
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on July 16, 2021, 09:02:46 AM
Quote from: mahagonny on July 15, 2021, 03:19:03 PM
The only freedom Trump would have deprived us of would be the freedom to not choose him as president. the other group will take away much more than that.
Sounds like you'd be happier in a country where there are no elections and no racial diversity.
I'm having trouble getting your gist here. You should already know from reading my posts that I live in an urban neighborhood with many black and white folks, my workplace has more black faculty than does the general population of the USA, my skin is what people would call white, and I am solvent enough that I could move abroad if I chose. So those facts speak for themselves.
As for the notion that I would prefer no elections, I've already shown not 15 minutes ago that that is not true.
If you're just going to misstate my positions I'll ignore you in hopes someone more worth conversing with comes along. Or doesn't but in that case, at least no more time wasted.
The larger point is the 'antiracist' movement is not to be trusted, upends the founding documents, and there have been many good things published recently that explain why.
Quote from: mahagonny on July 16, 2021, 09:16:43 AM
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on July 16, 2021, 09:02:46 AM
Quote from: mahagonny on July 15, 2021, 03:19:03 PM
The only freedom Trump would have deprived us of would be the freedom to not choose him as president. the other group will take away much more than that.
Sounds like you'd be happier in a country where there are no elections and no racial diversity.
I'm having trouble getting your gist here. You should already know from reading my posts that I live in an urban neighborhood with many black and white folks, my workplace has more black faculty than does the general population of the USA, my skin is what people would call white, and I am solvent enough that I could move abroad if I chose. So those facts speak for themselves.
As for the notion that I would prefer no elections, I've already shown not 15 minutes ago that that is not true.
If you're just going to misstate my positions I'll ignore you in hopes someone more worth conversing with comes along. Or doesn't but in that case, at least no more time wasted.
The larger point is the 'antiracist' movement is not to be trusted, upends the founding documents, and there have been many good things published recently that explain why.
I'm just quoting you: "The only freedom Trump would have deprived us of would be the freedom to not choose him as president. the other group will take away much more than that."
All Trump would take away is our democracy, no big deal to you, relative to having to attend occasional diversity training sessions!
Trump at least believes in letting equality under the law (such as it is today, but it is a foundation of our democracy) continue and tolerance of Christian faith, which would preclude adopting 'antiracism' tenets. For example, whereas the Christian understands he should not covet his neighbor's possessions, he knows also that we are inclined to sin. So he does covet, he realizes he has sinned, he asks forgiveness, and is forgiven. Whereas Antiracism preaches that the black man should covet the white man's possessions, (at least in those instances where they exceed his own; it wouldn't pay otherwise) and our collective policy should proceed from there.
Also, the antiracist liberals think they believe in equal outcomes and would use government to try and create it. So they would steal our democracy henceforth, whereas Trump is already getting to be an old man. So yes, though I've never voted for Trump, I would trade him today for feeble minded old Joe Biden who thinks he's being hip by hanging out with communists.
Quote from: mahagonny on July 16, 2021, 10:13:15 AM
Trump at least believes in letting equality under the law (such as it is today, but it is a foundation of our democracy) continue and tolerance of Christian faith, which would preclude adopting 'antiracism' tenets. For example, whereas the Christian understands he should not covet his neighbor's possessions, he knows also that we are inclined to sin. So he does covet, he realizes he has sinned, he asks forgiveness, and is forgiven. Whereas Antiracism preaches that the black man should covet the white man's possessions, (at least in those instances where they exceed his own; it wouldn't pay otherwise) and our collective policy should proceed from there.
Also, the antiracist liberals think they believe in equal outcomes and would use government to try and create it. So they would steal our democracy henceforth, whereas Trump is already getting to be an old man. So yes, though I've never voted for Trump, I would trade him today for feeble minded old Joe Biden who thinks he's being hip by hanging out with communists.
You're entitled to your opinion. Fortunately for the country and for the world a clear majority of Americans disagree with you and they voted Trump out. History will rightly remember him as a disgraced, corrupt, incompetent loser, with utter contempt for the will of the American people, who reinvigorated white nationalism and elevated the stupidest of conspiracy theories.
And lol at you if you actually believe the bolded; and smh at your white grievance take on Christianity.
Trump lost because of COVID-19.
Quote from: mahagonny on July 16, 2021, 10:38:41 AM
Trump lost because of COVID-19.
Despite. Even minimally competent management would probably have seen him win.
Quote from: Parasaurolophus on July 16, 2021, 04:28:42 PM
Quote from: mahagonny on July 16, 2021, 10:38:41 AM
Trump lost because of COVID-19.
Despite. Even minimally competent management would probably have seen him win.
Absolutely. If Trump had handled this competently he would have been at 50% popularity and won in a landslide.
What commies does Joe Biden 'hang out' with?
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on July 16, 2021, 05:12:37 PM
Quote from: Parasaurolophus on July 16, 2021, 04:28:42 PM
Quote from: mahagonny on July 16, 2021, 10:38:41 AM
Trump lost because of COVID-19.
Despite. Even minimally competent management would probably have seen him win.
Absolutely. If Trump had handled this competently he would have been at 50% popularity and won in a landslide.
That's the thing that terrifies me the most. It took a worldwide pandemic to knock him down. And it shouldn't have.
Well of course we can continue butting heads if we want to. Not that interesting.
But FYI, here's how this registered democrat who is starting to feel estranged from his party sees things:
Trump shouldn't have been necessary in the first place. His ascension was made possible by the self righteous woke and political correctness culture which alienated many voters, then as now, Hillary campaigning with references to feminism (a non-starter by 2016), her own high negatives (which democrats had known about for years, but neglected to consider). With the democratic party moving away from middle America, Trump was the only place for many to go, despite his unpopular traits.
Quote from: kaysixteen on July 16, 2021, 10:23:42 PM
What commies does Joe Biden 'hang out' with?
Kamala Harris, for one. Her 'Equity vs. equality' brief video tutorial was a pretty visible part about the effort of liberals to recast the term equity (fairness) to mean equal
outcomes . She's not staying in the background like some veeps do. Not that a veep or a woman veep has to. But that was a gift to the 'antiracism' gang.
Although I was heartened to read this morning that BLM representatives think he's been giving them the cold shoulder. Maybe old Joe does have something on the ball.
It used to be that you could be a democrat and an anti-communist without ruffling people's feathers.
Mahog.....What about women/LGTBQ/non CIS? Whereas Antiracism preaches that the black man should covet the white man's possessions,
Biden losing ground with independents, they say:
"While the president's support from his Democratic base remains strong enough to offset Republican opposition, several recent polls have seen his job approval rating begin to slip with the most crucial voter group — independents. Our July 6-8 Winning the Issues survey saw Biden's job approval underwater, with 40 percent of independents approving the job he is doing and 47 percent disapproving. Only a month before, our June survey had him at 46 percent approve/42 percent disapprove, a significant drop.
A July 3-6 Economist/YouGov poll found similar results among independents, with Biden at 41 percent approve/50 percent disapprove. A July 7-8 Reuters/Ipsos poll, which reported only on independents who approved of Biden's job performance, put that approval at 44 percent."
https://www.rollcall.com/2021/07/14/election-day-2022-will-be-independents-day/
I'm inclined to believe it. When Biden says the current quibbling about voting laws is the most significant test of our democracy since the civil war, he's not playing to the middle. He's betting the democratic base can prevail.
Quote from: nebo113 on July 17, 2021, 06:09:31 AM
Mahog.....What about women/LGTBQ/non CIS? Whereas Antiracism preaches that the black man should covet the white man's possessions,
Was I not writing inclusively enough? Sorry. If you are considered white, you are an oppressor.
Quote from: mahagonny on July 17, 2021, 04:33:21 AM
Well of course we can continue butting heads if we want to. Not that interesting.
But FYI, here's how this registered democrat who is starting to feel estranged from his party sees things:
Trump shouldn't have been necessary in the first place. His ascension was made possible by the self righteous woke and political correctness culture which alienated many voters, then as now, Hillary campaigning with references to feminism (a non-starter by 2016), her own high negatives (which democrats had known about for years, but neglected to consider). With the democratic party moving away from middle America, Trump was the only place for many to go, despite his unpopular traits.
I'm always amused by this narrative that Trump's rise is actually the fault of Democrats, as though they were the party who chose this mentally unhinged authoritarian as their nominee.
Quote from: mahagonny on July 17, 2021, 02:42:42 PM
Biden losing ground with independents, they say:
"While the president's support from his Democratic base remains strong enough to offset Republican opposition, several recent polls have seen his job approval rating begin to slip with the most crucial voter group — independents. Our July 6-8 Winning the Issues survey saw Biden's job approval underwater, with 40 percent of independents approving the job he is doing and 47 percent disapproving. Only a month before, our June survey had him at 46 percent approve/42 percent disapprove, a significant drop.
A July 3-6 Economist/YouGov poll found similar results among independents, with Biden at 41 percent approve/50 percent disapprove. A July 7-8 Reuters/Ipsos poll, which reported only on independents who approved of Biden's job performance, put that approval at 44 percent."
https://www.rollcall.com/2021/07/14/election-day-2022-will-be-independents-day/
You forgot to mention that the Ipsos poll showing Biden at 44% is actually an increase from their June 30th poll that showed him at 34% with independents, and that they have an even newer poll (July 14/15) showing Biden at 52% with independents (see slide 7 for details: https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2021-07/2021%20Ipsos%20Tracking%20-%20Core%20Political%20Presidential%20Approval%20Tracker%2007%2015%202021.pdf).
Of course, the samples are so small on these polls that you get rather massive credibility intervals (11.6% for Ipsos on the poll of independents) making individual polls essentially meaningless, which is why you have to look at polls of polls.
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on July 17, 2021, 02:54:59 PM
Quote from: mahagonny on July 17, 2021, 04:33:21 AM
Well of course we can continue butting heads if we want to. Not that interesting.
But FYI, here's how this registered democrat who is starting to feel estranged from his party sees things:
Trump shouldn't have been necessary in the first place. His ascension was made possible by the self righteous woke and political correctness culture which alienated many voters, then as now, Hillary campaigning with references to feminism (a non-starter by 2016), her own high negatives (which democrats had known about for years, but neglected to consider). With the democratic party moving away from middle America, Trump was the only place for many to go, despite his unpopular traits.
I'm always amused by this narrative that Trump's rise is actually the fault of Democrats, as though they were the party who chose this mentally unhinged authoritarian as their nominee.
You don't sound amused. You sound pissed off. I was trying to help. The democratic party has a 'wokeness' problem. James Carville explained it in a recent Op-ed you can find easily by googling.
Now the teachers' unions, never overwhelmingly popular, are enraging parents with their nutty ideas for how to combat a problem of white-on-black racism through indoctrination of public school students, starring with interrogating them about which race they identify with, then sorting them into groups.
Which, there was never any consensus that it was a problem to be given priority, more even one looked for. Talk about arrogance.
Quote from: mahagonny on July 17, 2021, 07:57:33 PM
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on July 17, 2021, 02:54:59 PM
Quote from: mahagonny on July 17, 2021, 04:33:21 AM
Well of course we can continue butting heads if we want to. Not that interesting.
But FYI, here's how this registered democrat who is starting to feel estranged from his party sees things:
Trump shouldn't have been necessary in the first place. His ascension was made possible by the self righteous woke and political correctness culture which alienated many voters, then as now, Hillary campaigning with references to feminism (a non-starter by 2016), her own high negatives (which democrats had known about for years, but neglected to consider). With the democratic party moving away from middle America, Trump was the only place for many to go, despite his unpopular traits.
I'm always amused by this narrative that Trump's rise is actually the fault of Democrats, as though they were the party who chose this mentally unhinged authoritarian as their nominee.
You don't sound amused. You sound pissed off. I was trying to help. The democratic party has a 'wokeness' problem. James Carville explained it in a recent Op-ed you can find easily by googling.
Now the teachers' unions, never overwhelmingly popular, are enraging parents with their nutty ideas for how to combat a problem of white-on-black racism through indoctrination of public school students, starring with interrogating them about which race they identify with, then sorting them into groups.
Which, there was never any consensus that it was a problem to be given priority, more even one looked for. Talk about arrogance.
Of course I'm pissed off about the ongoing attack on American democracy from the Republican party. Democrats have their problems as well and I wish there was a sane political opponent that could check them. Unfortunately, America doesn't have that and so Democrats, with all their flaws, are the only game in town.
I'm also amused that conservatives can be so obtuse about the crisis that has destroyed their party.
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on July 18, 2021, 10:37:57 AM
Democrats have their problems as well and I wish there was a sane political opponent that could check them. Unfortunately, America doesn't have that and so Democrats, with all their flaws, are the only game in town.
I'm also amused that conservatives can be so obtuse about the crisis that has destroyed their party.
RE: obtuseness - When the trifecta of intolerance, i.e. academia, Hollywood and the media, call all Republicans racists or Uncle Toms, they consolidate and galvanize Trump's base, insuring that every one of them will vote. Democrats pretend they would respect a 'legitimate' republican candidate, but it's not plausible.
And really, it doesn't matter what a republican says about race. The left will sort them into either the 'in denial' or 'dog whistling flaming racist' category. And since nearly every issue is prone to racializing, it almost doesn't matter what a republican says about anything. People like Trump and Steve Bannon knew this before others. This does not make them obtuse but aware.
Banning Trump from social media is going to backfire or be struck down in the courts. Now Biden is trying to run Facebook from Washington. Dangerous and stupid.
When was the last time you went to a drive in theater? Do you remember what you saw? Guess for me it was at least a quarter of a century ago, and I have no memory of what was on. I did sleep through the second feature, snuggled up in a blanket.
Quote from: nebo113 on July 19, 2021, 05:34:38 AM
When was the last time you went to a drive in theater? Do you remember what you saw? Guess for me it was at least a quarter of a century ago, and I have no memory of what was on. I did sleep through the second feature, snuggled up in a blanket.
My parents would take my sister and me to drive-ins when we were really small. We'd get in our pyjamas and brush our teeth ahead of time, so I think my parents were being smart about the soporific effects of cars + movies. Can't remember what we saw, but I do recall a conversation with my mother in which I asked how the sound worked, and she explained that it was broadcast on a radio frequency so we could pick it up with the car radio. I thought that was a wildly clever design. Possibly that conversation took place after we stopped going to drive-ins, which would explain why I didn't already know that the car radio was involved somehow.
Quote from: mahagonny on July 19, 2021, 02:23:37 AM
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on July 18, 2021, 10:37:57 AM
Democrats have their problems as well and I wish there was a sane political opponent that could check them. Unfortunately, America doesn't have that and so Democrats, with all their flaws, are the only game in town.
I'm also amused that conservatives can be so obtuse about the crisis that has destroyed their party.
RE: obtuseness - When the trifecta of intolerance, i.e. academia, Hollywood and the media, call all Republicans racists or Uncle Toms, they consolidate and galvanize Trump's base, insuring that every one of them will vote. Democrats pretend they would respect a 'legitimate' republican candidate, but it's not plausible.
And really, it doesn't matter what a republican says about race. The left will sort them into either the 'in denial' or 'dog whistling flaming racist' category. And since nearly every issue is prone to racializing, it almost doesn't matter what a republican says about anything. People like Trump and Steve Bannon knew this before others. This does not make them obtuse but aware.
Banning Trump from social media is going to backfire or be struck down in the courts. Now Biden is trying to run Facebook from Washington. Dangerous and stupid.
Actually pro sports now too. Although the Trump haters do not have the entire media to themselves. It may end up the free press is the only thing saving us from ruin.
Almost no issues now are not infused with the 'systemic racism' narrative. Left says
Republicans are racially on the wrong side of
1. States' rights to revise election law
2. Immigration
3. Law enforcement and crime
4. Public education
5. Income tax rates
etc
Well, a break from the massive klansplaining is welcome.
We avail ourselves of the local drive-in sometimes--I think the last thing we saw there was Hotel Transylvania 3 with the youngsters (they're 11, 9, and 8 now). Retro radio commercials in the background, appropriately downscale snack bar, and possibly the world's most dangerous play area for the kids. Good times.
Quote from: little bongo on July 19, 2021, 08:05:15 AM
Well, a break from the massive klansplaining is welcome.
No one is forcing you to read here. Unless you have some kind if internet addiction that rules you, your purpose is to prevent other posters* from contributing.
ETA: *with views you disagree with
Quote from: mahagonny on July 19, 2021, 02:23:37 AM
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on July 18, 2021, 10:37:57 AM
Democrats have their problems as well and I wish there was a sane political opponent that could check them. Unfortunately, America doesn't have that and so Democrats, with all their flaws, are the only game in town.
I'm also amused that conservatives can be so obtuse about the crisis that has destroyed their party.
RE: obtuseness - When the trifecta of intolerance, i.e. academia, Hollywood and the media, call all Republicans racists or Uncle Toms, they consolidate and galvanize Trump's base, insuring that every one of them will vote. Democrats pretend they would respect a 'legitimate' republican candidate, but it's not plausible.
And really, it doesn't matter what a republican says about race. The left will sort them into either the 'in denial' or 'dog whistling flaming racist' category. And since nearly every issue is prone to racializing, it almost doesn't matter what a republican says about anything. People like Trump and Steve Bannon knew this before others. This does not make them obtuse but aware.
Banning Trump from social media is going to backfire or be struck down in the courts. Now Biden is trying to run Facebook from Washington. Dangerous and stupid.
Not even sure why I'm responding to this post, since it reads like the ramblings of a madman, but let me at least clarify for you that the bolded is wrong. Deplatforming Trump has been effective* and pretty much every serious lawyer who has commented on Trump's lawsuit against FB (and other sites) says it will fail.
* https://www.niemanlab.org/2021/06/deplatforming-works-this-new-data-on-trump-tweets-shows/
Anyway, this thread has run its course: Your op says voters are having second thoughts about Biden, but the evidence you provided is weak and easily debunked. So now you are whining about race and your other pet topics. I stupidly engaged with you and now I probably look foolish too.
DNFTT.
We need The Fiona.
M.
Quote from: mamselle on July 19, 2021, 11:20:36 AM
DNFTT.
We need The Fiona.
M.
Wonder what The Fiona might say about drive ins.
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on July 19, 2021, 11:02:48 AM
Anyway, this thread has run its course: Your op says voters are having second thoughts about Biden, but the evidence you provided is weak and easily debunked. So now you are whining about race and your other pet topics. I stupidly engaged with you and now I probably look foolish too.
[Where's my 'guffaw' emoticon?]
You look foolish because everyone knows race and imagined white-against-black racism are the favorite topics of your political party and most of your even less popular academic community. Race is one of our least favorite topics and we were happy being color blind until your woke establishment canceled Dr. King and his common sense. As for Biden, stay tuned.
Quote from: mahagonny on July 20, 2021, 07:02:17 AM
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on July 19, 2021, 11:02:48 AM
Anyway, this thread has run its course: Your op says voters are having second thoughts about Biden, but the evidence you provided is weak and easily debunked. So now you are whining about race and your other pet topics. I stupidly engaged with you and now I probably look foolish too.
[Where's my 'guffaw' emoticon?]
You look foolish because everyone knows race and imagined white-against-black racism are the favorite topics of your political party and most of your even less popular academic community. Race is one of our least favorite topics and we were happy being color blind until your woke establishment canceled Dr. King and his common sense. As for Biden, stay tuned.
Ahh, the "stay tuned."
"Stay tuned" is what one says when they have been beaten, and are trying to save face, by pointing to an arbitrary time in the future when they will be right & victorious, in the hopes that by then everyone will forget that the loser's humiliating experience ever happened. Trump team said that when the Trump blog had to be canceled for irrelevance. Trump said it when he was removed from Twitter. "Stay tuned" is what Trump allies said after they vowed to fight the 2020 election results. You said it when you were shot down with a simple haiku.
Well, what we have here is this:
https://www.facebook.com/actdottv/photos/a.167930366730871/1717871581736734/
It's part and parcel of having a forum, I think. And for some, this kind of behavior is part and parcel of the process of growing up. It takes some folks longer.
Then again, the last forum had a popular thread called 'when will the president be impeached' which some might have found downright cheeky.