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Title: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: Puget on June 01, 2021, 12:20:08 PM
We've had lots of COVID threads, but none yet on the transition back toward normal.
How are you adjusting? What things have you started doing again, and what still feels like too much? What are you most looking forward to this summer?

Two big steps for me this week that felt symbolic--

First, I got my hair cut, almost the first thing I did after reaching 2 weeks post second dose. It had gotten REALLY long and I had to keep it tied back to keep it out of the way, so I was super ready to have it of. The hair dresser asked me three times if I was sure-- I had to assure him it was just going back to normal length and I was really going to have zero regrets about that.

Second, we had our first in-person lab meeting and individual meetings with my grad students today, and it was so wonderful! Everyone is fully vaccinated and this was the first day masks were only required indoors on campus, so we were able to have our individual meetings outside at a picnic table and actually talk face to face for the first time in more than a year. We're getting ready to resume in person human subjects research, and the grad students were almost giddy ordering research supplies (and coffee pods-- very important!) and just getting to interact in person.
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: sinenomine on June 01, 2021, 12:38:55 PM
I did my first maskless shopping trip yesterday, but still haven't gone to a restaurant. My favorite local place is owned by a nurse, who's really on top of cleaning protocols, so that will probably be my first place to go. I'm waiting until the excitement wanes a bit and crowds lessen.

My campus is mandating vaccinations for all, so I think I'll feel pretty comfortable there when I return.
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: cathwen on June 01, 2021, 01:16:06 PM
My husband and I went to the movies yesterday for the first time since before the pandemic.  When we bought our tickets, we were told that if we were fully vaccinated (which we are), we could take our masks off in the theater (which we did).  My husband also bought a bag of popcorn just to make it a full going-to-the-movies experience.

We've been to restaurants a couple of times for outdoor and, recently, indoor dining.

I'm in a state with a 70% vaccination rate, and where people have been very good about masking, distancing, and generally observing safety precautions.  Because of that, I feel pretty safe at this point. 
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: mamselle on June 01, 2021, 03:14:42 PM
I'm holding off on tours for the summer.

I don't trust the visitors who might come without masks and claim to be vaccinated, but are not. We've already been seeing some of those in the downtown pub/visitor magnet areas.

I also have a feeling the "opening up" celebration is going to backfire as long as students and other young adults (or even their cock-o'-the-hoop elders) in the area visit those same places over the weekends.

So I'm siting tight and finishing the videos of the sites I was going to do anyway, instead.

And I'm waiting to think about any serious travel for awhile, too.

I have more than enough to do at home, anyway!

M.
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: clean on June 01, 2021, 03:35:58 PM
Im waiting.

I have not had a haircut in seven months. I have not eaten in a restaurant in over a year, and have no plans.

I feel that there are too many going maskless and I limit my trips to the store(s). 

IF in a few weeks, IF the Memorial Day travel burst does not result in another bounce, I may feel less disdain for those going maskless about me.  However, though I have been fully vaccinated since mid April, I plan to keep wearing the mask until at least the fall. Except that while I am on campus I will wear a mask, though I may take it off to teach. 

I may go to a movie in the next week or so, at a low attendance time, as long as they are continuing to keep social distancing seating in place.

The bottom line is that there is NO WAY that I trust that all of those maskless people are vaccinated!  Even IF vaccinated, there is still a 5 % chance that you are not immune.  The next time you go to buy something, pay in cash and see how many nickels you get back in change. 

Just sayin...  I HOPE that we have turned the corner, but Im not yet convinced that we ARE "Emerging From the Pandemic"
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: dismalist on June 01, 2021, 04:05:33 PM
Quote from: cathwen on June 01, 2021, 01:16:06 PM

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We've been to restaurants a couple of times for outdoor and, recently, indoor dining.

I'm in a state with a 70% vaccination rate, and where people have been very good about masking, distancing, and generally observing safety precautions.  Because of that, I feel pretty safe at this point.

Ms. Dismalist got vaccinated early on account of her profession; me, some weeks ago, on account of my age. Our state's vaccination rate [first dose] is decent. We still wear masks when going out -- occasional food shopping, hair cuts, and restaurant -- pour encourager les autres.

Until now, home delivery of groceries was extremely helpful.

Yeah, we're safe now, but I felt OK'ish before being vaccinated.

Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: spork on June 01, 2021, 04:51:05 PM
I am going to miss having an excuse not to socialize. My wife and I are starting to get invites to potlucks, etc. from vaccinated acquaintances in the neighborhood. I am also going to miss working from home when the fall semester starts. I'm vowing to just skip the meaningless in-person crap that typically happens on campus.
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: ciao_yall on June 01, 2021, 04:56:58 PM
Mask wearing, vax rate, case count and hospitalizations are very low in our county. Capacity for businesses is still limited.

I'm pretty much back to normal activity, except I have more elbow room and wear a thing on my face.
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: Vkw10 on June 01, 2021, 05:08:15 PM
I've been fully vaccinated for three months. I've been out for lunch three times, going early with someone who is also vaccinated each time. Drove from Texas to SC and back, with limited stops as usual. Started looking at movie schedules again, but haven't decided to buy tickets yet.

Staff and 12-month faculty are fully onsite again, effective today. Lots of closed doors and "please put on mask and knock" signs. Texas governor decreed that state agencies and local governments can't require masks, but about half the employees I see on campus are wearing masks.
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: kaysixteen on June 01, 2021, 06:54:44 PM
Ok, but given that, even in high-vax states like Mass., there are going to be a decent number of folks who simply will not vax (but have no health impediment from doing so), we will never attain to the near-perfect herd immunity we'd get if we did get a greater vax percentage, those of us who have been vaxed need to just eventually decide to return to life, as the vax has made the vaxed person vastly less likely to die or even get a hospitalizable covid case.   We get the right to return to some semblance of normal.
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: Chemystery on June 01, 2021, 06:57:58 PM
Last week I went to a store for the first time since March 2020.  Today I went into a grocery store for the first time.  It was weird and a little bit stress inducing when I would find myself in an aisle with 4 or 5 maskless people, but overall not as bad as I thought it might be. 

Later this summer I will visit my family in Neighboring State.  I have not seen them in person since January 2020.  This is the only thing I am truly looking forward to in the next couple of months.  I will be glad to be back in my classroom this fall, although the idea does make me nervous.  We are not mandating vaccines.  I suspect that we will not require face coverings this year, but I hope I am wrong.  I am wondering if I can require people who visit my office to wear a mask.  It might be easier to just hold my office hours and any other meetings in another location.
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: Charlotte on June 02, 2021, 04:32:51 AM
Quote from: clean on June 01, 2021, 03:35:58 PM
Even IF vaccinated, there is still a 5 % chance that you are not immune.  The next time you go to buy something, pay in cash and see how many nickels you get back in change. 

Just sayin...  I HOPE that we have turned the corner, but Im not yet convinced that we ARE "Emerging From the Pandemic"

I agree with the caution... but you don't have a 5% chance of getting a nickel back in change so this isn't really a good comparison. I haven't seen the data on a 5% chance of breakthrough infection.

I feel like the new recommendations are just throwing hands in the air and giving up because those who are going to be vaccinated most likely have been/are about to and those who are not vaccinated likely will not by choice. (Exception being those advised by doctors to not get it for medical reasons.)

Which makes some sense. We cannot keep everything closed down and restricted forever just because some people choose to not vaccinate. I just think it may have happened a little too quickly and confused the heck out of people.
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: hmaria1609 on June 02, 2021, 07:48:05 AM
Mask mandates have been lifted in MD, DC, and VA and things are more open. Many county public library systems fully are reopened or soon will. Fewer barriers and floor stickers about distancing.

I've also gone in stores without a mask (already got my 2 shots) where/when allowed.
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: Caracal on June 02, 2021, 09:57:29 AM
Quote from: clean on June 01, 2021, 03:35:58 PM

Even IF vaccinated, there is still a 5 % chance that you are not immune. 

Not an expert, but my understanding is that this isn't really how it works. It isn't binary. If you're vaccinated, and you get infected, you're likely to have a very mild, or asymptomatic case, and you're unlikely to be able to spread the virus. You're also much less likely to be hospitalized.
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: darkstarrynight on June 02, 2021, 08:44:07 PM
Our parents felt neglected, so my spouse and I drove in endless rain to our home state a few weeks ago. We spent one week in my hometown and one week in hu's, doing whatever the parents wanted to do (e.g., have us fix things, sell crap on eBay). They seemed very happy to see us, but it rained so much. I feel like rain is following me everywhere. It rained on every drive we made between our state and those cities, and even on our return drive to where we live this past weekend. Luckily it has been sunny here the past two days, but I am over the rain. My first big airplane trip is next week, where I will fly across the country to meet a very special baby born during the pandemic, my sibling's first child, who is now already more than a year old and walking! I am SO excited.
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: apl68 on June 04, 2021, 01:05:52 PM
We've been fully opened for all normal day-to-day services at work for the past year, and I've never stopped going to the grocery store and so forth.  So life has seemed fairly normal here for the most part for a long time now.  This Saturday and Sunday we have our first groups meeting in the library's community room now that we've been okayed to open at limited capacity.  Our outreach visits to area preschools and day cares have just resumed.  Week after next we will begin hosting in-person story time groups.  We still won't have the big summer program events that we used to host.  But our facility is large enough to host small programming activities.  I still wear my mask inside the building at work when I'm out in the public areas and there are members of the public present.
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: evil_physics_witchcraft on June 04, 2021, 01:31:58 PM
The summer is still virtual for me, but fall will be face-to-face with masks only if you are unvaccinated.
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: mamselle on June 05, 2021, 02:29:54 AM
Quote from: apl68 on June 04, 2021, 01:05:52 PM
We've been fully opened for all normal day-to-day services at work for the past year, and I've never stopped going to the grocery store and so forth.  So life has seemed fairly normal here for the most part for a long time now.  This Saturday and Sunday we have our first groups meeting in the library's community room now that we've been okayed to open at limited capacity.  Our outreach visits to area preschools and day cares have just resumed.  Week after next we will begin hosting in-person story time groups.  We still won't have the big summer program events that we used to host.  But our facility is large enough to host small programming activities.  I still wear my mask inside the building at work when I'm out in the public areas and there are members of the public present.

Along those lines, both the second comment on this article:

   https://www.cambridgeday.com/2021/06/04/in-deciding-to-keep-its-library-buildings-closed-cambridge-chose-safety-for-staff-and-residents/

And the statement , "It's not like a light switch," in this one:

   https://www.boston.com/food/restaurants/2021/06/03/restaurateurs-reflect-on-new-reality-without-covid-restrictions/

seem to answer each other....

I'm amazed at the way so many different libraries has maintained service levels at whatever capacity possible given their specific circumstances.

The "second commenter" who "wants what he wants, and wants it now," sounds to me like a spoiled 3-year-old with no sense of humanity or gratitude for others' hard work.

I hope you don't have to deal with many of his sort, that's just so rude.

M.
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: apl68 on June 05, 2021, 07:02:43 AM
Quote from: mamselle on June 05, 2021, 02:29:54 AM
Quote from: apl68 on June 04, 2021, 01:05:52 PM
We've been fully opened for all normal day-to-day services at work for the past year, and I've never stopped going to the grocery store and so forth.  So life has seemed fairly normal here for the most part for a long time now.  This Saturday and Sunday we have our first groups meeting in the library's community room now that we've been okayed to open at limited capacity.  Our outreach visits to area preschools and day cares have just resumed.  Week after next we will begin hosting in-person story time groups.  We still won't have the big summer program events that we used to host.  But our facility is large enough to host small programming activities.  I still wear my mask inside the building at work when I'm out in the public areas and there are members of the public present.

Along those lines, both the second comment on this article:

   https://www.cambridgeday.com/2021/06/04/in-deciding-to-keep-its-library-buildings-closed-cambridge-chose-safety-for-staff-and-residents/

And the statement , "It's not like a light switch," in this one:

   https://www.boston.com/food/restaurants/2021/06/03/restaurateurs-reflect-on-new-reality-without-covid-restrictions/

seem to answer each other....

I'm amazed at the way so many different libraries has maintained service levels at whatever capacity possible given their specific circumstances.

The "second commenter" who "wants what he wants, and wants it now," sounds to me like a spoiled 3-year-old with no sense of humanity or gratitude for others' hard work.

I hope you don't have to deal with many of his sort, that's just so rude.

M.

No, we haven't had too much trouble with rude patrons specifically over the pandemic response.  People were awfully importunate about re-opening the community room before we finally did so.  It helps that our building is as large (for the size of our community) as it is.  It hasn't usually been too hard to manage social distancing for normal day-to-day activities.  We've also enforced mask rules with a light touch.  I'm still trying to set an example at work, but there's very little masking going on around town at this point.

We did have the one perennially rude patron who had to be banned temporarily for harassing a staff member about masking during the depths of the pandemic.  He didn't pull that again, but hasn't really mended his ways.  This morning I heard that he had been arrested due to a neighbor's complaints of harassment.  He's not the last person I'd believe that of.
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: hmaria1609 on June 13, 2021, 07:29:24 PM
I thought I'd share some travel news.
The "Washington Post" Travel section has its "Sign Language" feature back in this weekend's print edition. Yay! Readers send in photos of funny or strange street or building signage from their travels.

Avalon Waterways is resuming European river cruises on select routes:
https://www.avalonwaterways.com/travel-update/ (https://www.avalonwaterways.com/travel-update/)
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: Sun_Worshiper on June 14, 2021, 08:36:31 PM
I've basically gone back to normal: Since late-May I've traveled in planes, trains, buses, and automobiles, eaten in several restaurants, and visited with family for the first time in well over a year. I went to a grocery store without a mask for the first time yesterday, although still wearing masks in stores that require it and in planes, trains, buses, Ubers, etc., which also require it.

I've been fully vaccinated since February.
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: clean on June 15, 2021, 03:59:00 PM
I got my first hair cut since October!!  I have avoided going because of the mask issues.  Well, it is too hot and my hair was just too long for me.  (And Im not sure if my wife is complaining or jealous of my natural curls!)  I usually get a haircut when the curls start to break but as the hair left my head some looked like they had gone 2 full loops! 

I started to take off my mask because mine is technically a respirator that has straps that go around your head, not your ears.  She jumped back and said that the mask was required, but fetched me one when I showed her my mask and I complimented that they required masks and told her that IF I had known that they were requiring masks, I would have gone in months ago! 

Otherwise, it is starting to look like the maskless are outnumbering the masked. 

Fortunately, my county is down to 28 in the hospital, but only 4 in the ICU.  Just a month ago the ICU number was closer to 20! 

Anyway, I wear a mask, and will for some time to come I think.
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: evil_physics_witchcraft on June 15, 2021, 04:35:53 PM
I'm fully vaccinated, but I still wear a mask whenever I go into a store. When I work in the community garden, I don't wear a mask since we're all supposedly vaccinated and we can spread out. I still have not eaten inside a restaurant, but I have eaten (twice) at a restaurant that has an outside eating area.
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: jerseyjay on June 17, 2021, 07:11:53 AM
Today, I have a in-person meeting including the university president.

So I put on dress pants and work shoes for the first time since March 2020. I also tried to put on my watch, only to find its battery died sometime in the last two years.

It is not that I'd been naked or even teaching in sweatpants, but I have been wearing a dress shirt with nice jeans since March 2020, since all my teaching has been from my living room, via Zoom. Nor is it like I've been a recluse. Over the past period, especially since I have been vaccinated,  I have done many of the things that I "normally" do: go to the gym, eat at restaurants, take public transport, ride in taxis, go to bars, and, of course, go to the post office. I have even stopped by campus several times to get some work done in my office and go pick up library books. My university has been "open" the entire lockdown, but its "openness" has been related to the fact that almost all classes have been online since March 2020, staff schedules were staggered, and almost nobody worked from campus.






Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: Harlow2 on June 17, 2021, 08:31:58 AM
Finally made the dermatology appointment I was reluctant to make as long as it was unclear how masks were being dealt with. Probably silly, but it was my nose after all.
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: mamselle on June 17, 2021, 02:54:51 PM
Not silly.

Iatrogenic infections and illnesses are the most perfidious things.

M.
Title: Re: Emerging from the pandemic
Post by: hmaria1609 on July 13, 2021, 06:18:23 PM
The DC City Council voted to extend protections for renters and debtors:
https://wtop.com/dc/2021/07/dc-council-approves-measures-to-protect-debtors-renters/ (https://wtop.com/dc/2021/07/dc-council-approves-measures-to-protect-debtors-renters/)
Posted on WTOP Radio (7/13/21)