https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/removing-the-bedrock-of-liberalism-826
discuss?
Oh goodness. You are soooooo predictable. Yawn.
Quote from: mahagonny on June 02, 2021, 03:38:07 PM
https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/removing-the-bedrock-of-liberalism-826
discuss?
Need a new hobby.
Quote from: nebo113 on June 02, 2021, 04:27:47 PM
Oh goodness. You are soooooo predictable. Yawn.
Quote from: Mobius on June 02, 2021, 04:36:12 PM
Quote from: mahagonny on June 02, 2021, 03:38:07 PM
https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/removing-the-bedrock-of-liberalism-826
discuss?
Need a new hobby.
Like yours, stalking? If the thread or the poster doesn't appeal to you you can skip it. Grow up.
Quote from: mahagonny on June 02, 2021, 04:57:42 PM
Quote from: nebo113 on June 02, 2021, 04:27:47 PM
Oh goodness. You are soooooo predictable. Yawn.
Quote from: Mobius on June 02, 2021, 04:36:12 PM
Quote from: mahagonny on June 02, 2021, 03:38:07 PM
https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/removing-the-bedrock-of-liberalism-826
discuss?
Need a new hobby.
Like yours, stalking? If the thread or the poster doesn't appeal to you you can skip it. Grow up.
You are just the sweetest thing.
DNFTT
I like threads that have zero responses sometimes.
We should have more of those.
I also liked the derailments.
We used to be very good at going off-topic and staying there for threads and threads and threads.
Sort of like a cloak.
M.
I'm sorry that cloaks aren't more popular these days. I used to have a wonderful cape — in fact I still have it — but little opportunity to wear it. They're certainly a lot more convenient to get in and out of than a lot of coats.
My favorite is the medium tweedy blue wool one my 18th c. character wears when it's cold out.
She hasn't been out for the past year, and this summer isn't likely either, so it's being protected from moths now.
M.
Since there are cloak experts here, I've always wanted to know something. Why are Batman's and Superman's capes called capes and not cloaks?
Quote from: lightning on June 03, 2021, 04:18:30 PM
Since there are cloak experts here, I've always wanted to know something. Why are Batman's and Superman's capes called capes and not cloaks?
No hoods, presumably?
They also don't seem to use brooches or anything to fasten them.
Quote from: Parasaurolophus on June 03, 2021, 04:52:02 PM
Quote from: lightning on June 03, 2021, 04:18:30 PM
Since there are cloak experts here, I've always wanted to know something. Why are Batman's and Superman's capes called capes and not cloaks?
No hoods, presumably?
They also don't seem to use brooches or anything to fasten them.
Hoods would be my guess for differentiating the two.
Not sure about the fastener- are you suggesting that a cloak has a hood and uses a fastener, like a brooch, while a cape has neither a hood or a fastener?
Quote from: eigen on June 03, 2021, 05:05:25 PM
Quote from: Parasaurolophus on June 03, 2021, 04:52:02 PM
Quote from: lightning on June 03, 2021, 04:18:30 PM
Since there are cloak experts here, I've always wanted to know something. Why are Batman's and Superman's capes called capes and not cloaks?
No hoods, presumably?
They also don't seem to use brooches or anything to fasten them.
Hoods would be my guess for differentiating the two.
Not sure about the fastener- are you suggesting that a cloak has a hood and uses a fastener, like a brooch, while a cape has neither a hood or a fastener?
I think that capes can
possibly be hooded (e.g. a rain cape?), but not fastened securely. But generally, I think that cloaks are hooded and capes not.
Also, I have a niggling memory (from learning about the Napoleonic Wars) that capes are perhaps shorter than cloaks?
Batman had a cape (hence the nickname: "The Caped Crusader"), but his headgear was separate. Robin, too, had a cape, yet no real headgear to speak of at all.
Hmmmmmmmm . . .
Maybe it's the cut?
Seems to me that a cloak is cut to a pattern that goes more than 360 degrees around, making it fuller, and able to be wrapped around, while a cape is more spare-cut and falls with fewer folds.
But that's just by observation.
I could be wrong.
M.
Quote from: mamselle on June 03, 2021, 06:04:52 PM
Maybe it's the cut?
Seems to me that a cloak is cut to a pattern that goes more than 360 degrees around, making it fuller, and able to be wrapped around, while a cape is more spare-cut and falls with fewer folds.
But that's just by observation.
I could be wrong.
M.
Hmm, yes, that seems right.
All of these bans on Critical Race Theory seem to be moot since no one except sitcom actors and "God is Dead"-type content teaches CRT as defined in various statutes.
Quote from: Mobius on June 03, 2021, 08:49:22 PM
All of these bans on Critical Race Theory seem to be moot since no one except sitcom actors and "God is Dead"-type content teaches CRT as defined in various statutes.
Yes, cloaked in mystery.
(You wouldn't say, "caped in mystery," would you?)
No, I didn't think so...
M.
Yes, a cloak keeps you enveloped in noir-type mystery, whereas a cape flows out behind you in superhero fashion. Different genres. Also, if you have a cape, you can indulge in capers.
Quote from: mamselle on June 03, 2021, 06:04:52 PM
Maybe it's the cut?
Seems to me that a cloak is cut to a pattern that goes more than 360 degrees around, making it fuller, and able to be wrapped around, while a cape is more spare-cut and falls with fewer folds.
But that's just by observation.
I could be wrong.
M.
That was my impression: Cloak is functional to provide warmth, cape is decorative.
I suppose a cape is functional its function serves to provide a second layer for shedding rain from your back.
Here's another go: Cloak is functional for warmth. Cape is functional for rain-shedding. If cape cannot function to shed rain, then it's decorative alone.
Well, cape also helps you fly. Either that or look dashing with a sword, like Zorro, so I gather it's something about increasing velocity.
Quote from: Hegemony on June 04, 2021, 07:01:37 AM
Well, cape also helps you fly. Either that or look dashing with a sword, like Zorro, so I gather it's something about increasing velocity.
The dashing and velocity aspects of the cloak apply to Dracula as well.
Thanks for all of the insightful replies. I thought that the length of the garment determined whether it was called a cloak or a cape, so that's why I was always confused. All these other considerations that you all have brought forth tell me that I should have considered these other determining factors.
I sewed a reversible cloak once (with a hood). It was a very satisfying process.
My mother once sewed herself a cloak. I think I borrowed it to dress as a dementor for one of the Harry Potter book launches. Or maybe I was dressing up for one of the Lord of the Rings movie releases. A good cloak is a necessary staple for cosplay.
The cloak I referred to above was also pulled down, off the mannequin I had hung it on, by one litter of our dog's puppies, who thought it made a fine nest at one point.
The flying ability was not affected in that case, but I did have to clean it up a bit after they were done with it...they liked scrunching into its folds.
It was also lined with a then-new (c. 1970) heat-reflective fabric lining that looks like satin but is very warm.
I am very glad of this lining when it gets cold and chilly in the burying grounds.
Since it (almost) never rains on burying ground tours, it has not been a problem that the wool is not water-repellent, just thick and comfortable.
M.
Quote from: Hegemony on June 04, 2021, 07:01:37 AM
Well, cape also helps you fly. Either that or look dashing with a sword, like Zorro, so I gather it's something about increasing velocity.
Capes are quite dangerous. One guy got his cape caught in a revolving door and the bank robbers shot him. Then that other guy's cape got sucked into a jet engine.
In writing my last book, I came upon reference to a cloakmakers' strike in New York in the 1920s. This befuddled me, because I didn't think that there were actually enough cloaks being sold to employ tens of thousands of cloakmakers. So I did some research on what cloakmaking meant. As it turns out, by the 1920s "cloakmakers" was an archaic term for men who made men's suits. So I am not sure if the term "cloak" itself has evolved over time, too.
Interesting. Wikipedia says:
"A Cloak maker worked in the garment industry, often in an enterprise whose workers were represented by a union. In the 1920s, there were more than 50,000 people employed as cloakmakers. Much of this industry was centered in NYC. While most of the cloakmakers were Jewish women, the next largest group, although much smaller in number, were Italian women. Cloakmakers were a part of those known as clothing-workers, including those who made cloaks, suits and skirts."
It makes sense that the cloak makers were a distinct group from the cape makers. The cape makers would need additional training in aeronautic design. I think some of them also had expertise in buckling swashes.
Quote from: RatGuy on June 04, 2021, 09:03:18 AM
Quote from: Hegemony on June 04, 2021, 07:01:37 AM
Well, cape also helps you fly. Either that or look dashing with a sword, like Zorro, so I gather it's something about increasing velocity.
Capes are quite dangerous. One guy got his cape caught in a revolving door and the bank robbers shot him. Then that other guy's cape got sucked into a jet engine.
No capes!
Quote from: Mobius on June 03, 2021, 08:49:22 PM
All of these bans on Critical Race Theory seem to be moot since no one except sitcom actors and "God is Dead"-type content teaches CRT as defined in various statutes.
There are ways a person can be instructed, cajoled, required, pressured to state that his skin color signifies perpetual shame. It doesn't have to be explicitly 'did you have to say "I
apologize for being white? No? Well then, you weren't debased in public.'" It doesn't matter much to me where CRT promoters fall on the spectrum. They all have the wrong idea. They're part of something that is anti-social. Some may not realize it.
Their awareness was cloaked in uncertainty, perhaps.
Or, Mapex, caped....but that is less communicative.
So, cloaked.
M.
"Cloaked" certainly signals invisibility, as in the "cloaking device." I guess a caping device would mean that you can fly. But no one wears a cloak at the same time as a cape, so you can either fly or you can be invisible; both at once is sartorially inadvisable.
Quote from: Hegemony on June 05, 2021, 06:46:26 PM
"Cloaked" certainly signals invisibility, as in the "cloaking device." I guess a caping device would mean that you can fly. But no one wears a cloak at the same time as a cape, so you can either fly or you can be invisible; both at once is sartorially inadvisable.
Capes are for capering, so I think: jumping. The cape-flight association must be from when they decided that Superman could do more than just leap over tall buildings. But the original Superman had the right idea.
A new caped crusader look has been unveiled:
https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/the-flash-batman-michael-keaton-batsuit-symbol-watchmen-set-photo/
Sartorial definition of the lines of a cape means a lot.
M.
Quote from: mamselle on June 05, 2021, 06:18:06 PM
Their awareness was cloaked in uncertainty, perhaps.
Or, Mapex, caped....but that is less communicative.
So, cloaked.
M.
Perhaps the ancient Greek
himation as it was gender neutral.....
I can't read CRT without thinking about a cathode ray tube.
Quote from: Anselm on June 06, 2021, 03:27:51 PM
I can't read CRT without thinking about a cathode ray tube.
Love it!
I remember doing a project in school about those.
We had to show how the little pea-shooter thingy swept across the screen from the back.
No actual peas were shot.
M.
An Idaho legislator made it up.
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/education/article251989888.html?fbclid=IwAR06IElUv9Qi_QqY1c9TOQpJaw-A7NBDH25a5KWokogQbZv97F1IYFvHvuc
Quote from: Mobius on June 13, 2021, 02:44:12 PM
An Idaho legislator made it up.
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/education/article251989888.html?fbclid=IwAR06IElUv9Qi_QqY1c9TOQpJaw-A7NBDH25a5KWokogQbZv97F1IYFvHvuc
Someone wearing a cape and carrying a pea-shooter, clearly.
M.
Quote from: Mobius on June 13, 2021, 02:44:12 PM
An Idaho legislator made it up.
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/education/article251989888.html?fbclid=IwAR06IElUv9Qi_QqY1c9TOQpJaw-A7NBDH25a5KWokogQbZv97F1IYFvHvuc
And you owe me an apology. Everyone here knows or has access to information that I live in a blue state, so I can't be an Idaho legislator.
QuoteQuote from: Mobius on May 30, 2021, 08:12:58 PM
Maybe mahagonny was one the one reporting bias at Boise State, which was found to be baseless.
ETA: Actually if I were that legislator, I would be considering, instead of creeping around, just standing out in the open and explaining that the victimhood/oppressor narrative involving race in the USA in 2021 is an idiotic, implausible approach to improving life for Americans, easily and widely debunked, that liberals are already walking back from. And that the nicest thing you could say about the courses is that they are a poor use of time and money. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/06/13/america-has-struggled-racial-issues-and-its-time-save-democracy/7618701002/
'Stop distractifying over "wokeness" and deal with the wolf at the door. Firing folks over "forbidden" words or views is absurd.'
I would then expect many in Idaho would be able to look into the situation, use their God-given common sense, and agree.
Who was that masked man?
Was it the caped crusader?
M.
Quote from: mamselle on June 13, 2021, 09:05:02 PM
Who was that masked man?
Was it the caped crusader?
M.
I thought we passed a resolution to call him the cloaked crusader.
Correct. My mistake.
I confused the cloak with the dagger.
My bad.
M.
The Z that stands for Zorro. And that Z rhymes with P and it stands for "Pool!"
I'm almost sure I've got that straight.
Uh-oh. "Oh, we got trouble."
Earworm time....I'll either be sing or resisting sing the rest of the patter to that the rest of the day, now.
And it's starting early...thanks for that...
I have the whole score memorized; I had one of the kid's parts twice in junior high when, first the high school, and a year later, one of the local musical theatre groups, did it.
And my dad had the record (with Shirley Jones) in regular rota on the turntable for decades.
"We surely got trouble--Right here!"
"Remember the Maine, Plymouth Rock an' the Golden Rule!"
"OUR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN GONNA HAVE Trouble, trouble, trouble....."
M.
Does he rebuckle his knickerbockers below the knee?
That's the worst, speaking of sartorial malfunctions. Not to mention moral panics.
This tends to happen when you're caught with a cistern empty on a Saturday night.
And 'Professor' Harold Hill (Ibram X. Kendi) never does get to leave town because he falls in love with himself and gets tenure.
Back to the central subject, is this matter timed to give jobseeking administrators something to talk about in interview sessions in the coming school year? Did it come "From Outta Iowa"? Will there be a standardized test developed to indicate what should happen to whom? More importantly, to me, how will it affect substitute teachers at high school level? And, even more importantly, what is all the "Cape crap" that you, the y'all, are writing?
Several things I now see vividly that I've never seen before in my entire life: (1) both my schools now talk to us, via provost, chancellor or president email, with the presumed certainty that we are aligned with the democratic party's view of reality, and that that view makes it imperative that we all
act together in the opposition to widespread racism (of various types) that victimizes black and brown people and the menace of white supremacy
in brand new ways, as prescribed by a cadre of like-minded academics/journalists with no bipartisan support; and (2) the fact that there was never any reference to the need for a consensus. The insertion of this world-view into our campus life was just something we became aware
had happened after it did. Sort of like a cocktail that you thought was too weak to have an effect, and now realize you were quite wrong. (3) Absence of discussion about either #1 or #2.
QuoteBack to the central subject, is this matter timed to give jobseeking administrators something to talk about in interview sessions in the coming school year?
Not so long ago, this kind of riff would be considered another looking-busy-with-silly, puffed-up-attempts-at-innovation administrative initiative that faculty of all stripes would view cynically. This time, I think a few of the admins are dreading the fall. I hope so.
Now, friends, let me tell you what I mean.
You've got one, two, three, four, five, six pockets in a table.
Pockets that mean the diff'rence between a gentleman and a bum!
With a capital "B" and that rhymes with "T" and that stands for "POOL!"
M.
QuoteAnd, even more importantly, what is all the "Cape crap" that you, the y'all, are writing?
In particular I don't get the need to mob a poster whom you have the technological opportunity to ignore. Especially when it has little effect on them.
It was a little disappointing, initially, not to see any serious responses from anyone who'd read the article, but, hey, i'm getting in here for free, so...no biggie.
But wait, there was one, economizer. Thank you. I follow John McWhorter on this topic, FYI. Smart, honest and above all, decent, guy.
Cape Cod is a very decent place, no need to question that.
M.
Well, when the left gets too carried away with themselves, other people get busy. Guess who's got lots of free time, with energy to match? In the crosshairs: public school teacher tenure.
A Plan to Get Divisive & Radical Theories Out of Our Schools Donald J. Trump, RCP
Speaking of Capes, has the absence of cruise industry activity at Cape Canaveral FL caused a decline in the numbers of those pesky sharks? I had supposed that they had thrived due to 3-4 thousand passenger vessels "blowing their tanks" too close to Daytona Beach, Cocoa, Beach, and southerly to the Treasure Coasts.
Also, is Red Snapper fishin' reallowed now? Ah, but perhaps I digress!