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marshwiggle

Quote from: Wahoo Redux on April 05, 2024, 07:17:38 AMWax says things that----as with the diversity officers who consistently harp on "white privilege"----have no point but to alienate and make people angry.  There is nothing really to accomplish by pointing out that top law school graduates are generally white unless one has a method for equalizing the disparity. 

It appears that Wax just wants to vent her bigotry.  Fine.  Let her.  And let her face the cultural backlash she generates. 

The one caveat to this is when these statements are a response to accusations of discrimination from the other side. So if other people claim that the lack of a proportional representation of students of group X in the top of the class of graduates is evidence of discrimination, then the unpleasant, but realistic answer may be that the incoming preparation, as shown by their incoming grades, of group X was below average, and their performance is consistent with students of other groups with the same incoming grades.

Even saying this as diplomatically as possible is no doubt going to rile people up. Amy Wax seems to not care much regardless.
It takes so little to be above average.

Wahoo Redux

Quote from: marshwiggle on April 05, 2024, 08:00:19 AMThe one caveat to this is when these statements are a response to accusations of discrimination from the other side. So if other people claim that the lack of a proportional representation of students of group X in the top of the class of graduates is evidence of discrimination, then the unpleasant, but realistic answer may be that the incoming preparation, as shown by their incoming grades, of group X was below average, and their performance is consistent with students of other groups with the same incoming grades.

Even saying this as diplomatically as possible is no doubt going to rile people up. Amy Wax seems to not care much regardless.


Yeah, but I don't think Wax said anything like that.

I agree that a hard truth is a hard truth----like white privilege.  White privilege is a truth that makes a lot of irrationally angry people.  It's how you use it.

But while she has some ideas which bear listening to, I think her understanding is also so limited and idealistic that it can only make people angry.
Come, fill the Cup, and in the fire of Spring
Your Winter-garment of Repentance fling:
The Bird of Time has but a little way
To flutter--and the Bird is on the Wing.

Wahoo Redux

Tennessee Triples Down on Targeting 'Divisive Concepts'

QuoteRepublican lawmakers in multiple states have listed and taken aim at certain theories or beliefs that they often associate with pushes for diversity, equity and inclusion.
Come, fill the Cup, and in the fire of Spring
Your Winter-garment of Repentance fling:
The Bird of Time has but a little way
To flutter--and the Bird is on the Wing.

nebo113

Quote from: Wahoo Redux on April 15, 2024, 08:41:38 AMTennessee Triples Down on Targeting 'Divisive Concepts'

QuoteRepublican lawmakers in multiple states have listed and taken aim at certain theories or beliefs that they often associate with pushes for diversity, equity and inclusion.

Ah yes:  Pro white christian male

Langue_doc

QuoteNPR Suspends Editor Whose Essay Criticized the Broadcaster
Uri Berliner, a senior business editor at NPR, said the public radio network's liberal bias had tainted its coverage of important stories.

Uri Berliner's article in The Free Press. Toward the end of the article, Berliner writes:
QuoteRace and identity became paramount in nearly every aspect of the workplace. Journalists were required to ask everyone we interviewed their race, gender, and ethnicity (among other questions), and had to enter it in a centralized tracking system. We were given unconscious bias training sessions. A growing DEI staff offered regular meetings imploring us to "start talking about race." Monthly dialogues were offered for "women of color" and "men of color." Nonbinary people of color were included, too.

These initiatives, bolstered by a $1 million grant from the NPR Foundation, came from management, from the top down. Crucially, they were in sync culturally with what was happening at the grassroots—among producers, reporters, and other staffers. Most visible was a burgeoning number of employee resource (or affinity) groups based on identity.

They included MGIPOC (Marginalized Genders and Intersex People of Color mentorship program); Mi Gente (Latinx employees at NPR); NPR Noir (black employees at NPR); Southwest Asians and North Africans at NPR; Ummah (for Muslim-identifying employees); Women, Gender-Expansive, and Transgender People in Technology Throughout Public Media; Khevre (Jewish heritage and culture at NPR); and NPR Pride (LGBTQIA employees at NPR).

All this reflected a broader movement in the culture of people clustering together based on ideology or a characteristic of birth. If, as NPR's internal website suggested, the groups were simply a "great way to meet like-minded colleagues" and "help new employees feel included," it would have been one thing.

But the role and standing of affinity groups, including those outside NPR, were more than that. They became a priority for NPR's union, SAG-AFTRA—an item in collective bargaining. The current contract, in a section on DEI, requires NPR management to "keep up to date with current language and style guidance from journalism affinity groups" and to inform employees if language differs from the diktats of those groups. In such a case, the dispute could go before the DEI Accountability Committee.

In essence, this means the NPR union, of which I am a dues-paying member, has ensured that advocacy groups are given a seat at the table in determining the terms and vocabulary of our news coverage.

Conflicts between workers and bosses, between labor and management, are common in workplaces. NPR has had its share. But what's notable is the extent to which people at every level of NPR have comfortably coalesced around the progressive worldview.

And this, I believe, is the most damaging development at NPR: the absence of viewpoint diversity.


dismalist

#260
You can hardly expect individual institutions to harbor viewpoint diversity. Institutions, including media companies, universities, schools, and firms down to the retail establishment, develop or harbor their own cultures to reduce the cost of trying to figure out what to do. If the Times or Harvard had viewpoint diversity, you'd have knife fights all day, every day.

Viewpoint diversity can only exist through competition between institutions, not within institutions.

We have Fox as well as the Times, talk radio as well as NPR. In Economics Departments, e.g., we have the commies at the New School, the Americanized German Historical School in -- of all places -- Texas, and more mundanely in Macroeconomics, the Sweetwater flavor in Chicago and Minnesota, and the Saltwater flavor in Harvard, MIT, and the others on the coast of the Northeast.

So long as all this is possible, there is no problem.
That's not even wrong!
--Wolfgang Pauli

marshwiggle

Quote from: dismalist on April 16, 2024, 01:56:27 PMYou can hardly expect individual institutions to harbor viewpoint diversity. Institutions, including media companies, universities, schools, and firms down to the retail establishment, develop or harbor their own cultures to reduce the cost of trying to figure out what to do. If the Times or Harvard had viewpoint diversity, you'd have knife fights all day, every day.

Viewpoint diversity can only exist through competition between institutions, not within institutions.

We have Fox as well as the Times, talk radio as well as NPR. In Economics Departments, e.g., we have the commies at the New School, the Americanized German Historical School in -- of all places -- Texas, and more mundanely in Macroeconomics, the Sweetwater flavor in Chicago and Minnesota, and the Saltwater flavor in Harvard, MIT, and the others on the coast of the Northeast.

So long as all this is possible, there is no problem.

Not entirely. It would be good if people didn't have to look to competing institutions to get a balanced picture of an issue. Being able to have an insightful, civilized debate within an institution is really valuable.
It takes so little to be above average.

dismalist

Quote from: marshwiggle on April 16, 2024, 04:06:02 PM
Quote from: dismalist on April 16, 2024, 01:56:27 PMYou can hardly expect individual institutions to harbor viewpoint diversity. Institutions, including media companies, universities, schools, and firms down to the retail establishment, develop or harbor their own cultures to reduce the cost of trying to figure out what to do. If the Times or Harvard had viewpoint diversity, you'd have knife fights all day, every day.

Viewpoint diversity can only exist through competition between institutions, not within institutions.

We have Fox as well as the Times, talk radio as well as NPR. In Economics Departments, e.g., we have the commies at the New School, the Americanized German Historical School in -- of all places -- Texas, and more mundanely in Macroeconomics, the Sweetwater flavor in Chicago and Minnesota, and the Saltwater flavor in Harvard, MIT, and the others on the coast of the Northeast.

So long as all this is possible, there is no problem.

Not entirely. It would be good if people didn't have to look to competing institutions to get a balanced picture of an issue. Being able to have an insightful, civilized debate within an institution is really valuable.


Fogedddabouddit.
That's not even wrong!
--Wolfgang Pauli

marshwiggle

Quote from: nebo113 on April 15, 2024, 04:04:44 PM
Quote from: Wahoo Redux on April 15, 2024, 08:41:38 AMTennessee Triples Down on Targeting 'Divisive Concepts'

QuoteRepublican lawmakers in multiple states have listed and taken aim at certain theories or beliefs that they often associate with pushes for diversity, equity and inclusion.

Ah yes:  Pro white christian male


QuoteThese included the idea that meritocracy is inherently racist and the notion that "the rule of law does not exist, but instead is a series of power relationships and struggles among racial or other groups."

So I guess all of those other, non-white and non-Christian countries that promote meritocracy and the rule of law have totally misunderstood what they were doing.
It takes so little to be above average.

ciao_yall

Quote from: Langue_doc on April 16, 2024, 01:39:04 PM
QuoteNPR Suspends Editor Whose Essay Criticized the Broadcaster
Uri Berliner, a senior business editor at NPR, said the public radio network's liberal bias had tainted its coverage of important stories.

Uri Berliner's article in The Free Press. Toward the end of the article, Berliner writes:
QuoteRace and identity became paramount in nearly every aspect of the workplace. Journalists were required to ask everyone we interviewed their race, gender, and ethnicity (among other questions), and had to enter it in a centralized tracking system. We were given unconscious bias training sessions. A growing DEI staff offered regular meetings imploring us to "start talking about race." Monthly dialogues were offered for "women of color" and "men of color." Nonbinary people of color were included, too.

These initiatives, bolstered by a $1 million grant from the NPR Foundation, came from management, from the top down. Crucially, they were in sync culturally with what was happening at the grassroots—among producers, reporters, and other staffers. Most visible was a burgeoning number of employee resource (or affinity) groups based on identity.

They included MGIPOC (Marginalized Genders and Intersex People of Color mentorship program); Mi Gente (Latinx employees at NPR); NPR Noir (black employees at NPR); Southwest Asians and North Africans at NPR; Ummah (for Muslim-identifying employees); Women, Gender-Expansive, and Transgender People in Technology Throughout Public Media; Khevre (Jewish heritage and culture at NPR); and NPR Pride (LGBTQIA employees at NPR).

All this reflected a broader movement in the culture of people clustering together based on ideology or a characteristic of birth. If, as NPR's internal website suggested, the groups were simply a "great way to meet like-minded colleagues" and "help new employees feel included," it would have been one thing.

But the role and standing of affinity groups, including those outside NPR, were more than that. They became a priority for NPR's union, SAG-AFTRA—an item in collective bargaining. The current contract, in a section on DEI, requires NPR management to "keep up to date with current language and style guidance from journalism affinity groups" and to inform employees if language differs from the diktats of those groups. In such a case, the dispute could go before the DEI Accountability Committee.

In essence, this means the NPR union, of which I am a dues-paying member, has ensured that advocacy groups are given a seat at the table in determining the terms and vocabulary of our news coverage.

Conflicts between workers and bosses, between labor and management, are common in workplaces. NPR has had its share. But what's notable is the extent to which people at every level of NPR have comfortably coalesced around the progressive worldview.

And this, I believe, is the most damaging development at NPR: the absence of viewpoint diversity.

Isn't that the point of DEI... to make sure there IS viewpoint diversity?

marshwiggle

Quote from: ciao_yall on April 17, 2024, 06:23:46 AM
Quote from: Langue_doc on April 16, 2024, 01:39:04 PM
QuoteNPR Suspends Editor Whose Essay Criticized the Broadcaster
Uri Berliner, a senior business editor at NPR, said the public radio network's liberal bias had tainted its coverage of important stories.

Uri Berliner's article in The Free Press. Toward the end of the article, Berliner writes:
QuoteAnd this, I believe, is the most damaging development at NPR: the absence of viewpoint diversity.

Isn't that the point of DEI... to make sure there IS viewpoint diversity?

Not remotely; it's to make sure that the "viewpoint" presented reflects "diversity" of people expressing it, where "diversity" is based on identity categories, (other than straight, white, male, christian, etc.). Do you really think that, in the name of DEI, hiring will be done to ensure that there are pro-life, conservatives on staff?
It takes so little to be above average.

nebo113

Quote from: marshwiggle on April 17, 2024, 07:13:15 AM
Quote from: ciao_yall on April 17, 2024, 06:23:46 AM
Quote from: Langue_doc on April 16, 2024, 01:39:04 PM
QuoteNPR Suspends Editor Whose Essay Criticized the Broadcaster
Uri Berliner, a senior business editor at NPR, said the public radio network's liberal bias had tainted its coverage of important stories.

Uri Berliner's article in The Free Press. Toward the end of the article, Berliner writes:
QuoteAnd this, I believe, is the most damaging development at NPR: the absence of viewpoint diversity.

Isn't that the point of DEI... to make sure there IS viewpoint diversity?

Not remotely; it's to make sure that the "viewpoint" presented reflects "diversity" of people expressing it, where "diversity" is based on identity categories, (other than straight, white, male, christian, etc.). Do you really think that, in the name of DEI, hiring will be done to ensure that there are pro-life, conservatives on staff?


Apparently if one is applying to work for Lara Trump.....

Langue_doc

Quote from: Langue_doc on April 16, 2024, 01:39:04 PM
QuoteNPR Suspends Editor Whose Essay Criticized the Broadcaster
Uri Berliner, a senior business editor at NPR, said the public radio network's liberal bias had tainted its coverage of important stories.

Uri Berliner's article in The Free Press. Toward the end of the article, Berliner writes:
QuoteRace and identity became paramount in nearly every aspect of the workplace. Journalists were required to ask everyone we interviewed their race, gender, and ethnicity (among other questions), and had to enter it in a centralized tracking system. We were given unconscious bias training sessions. A growing DEI staff offered regular meetings imploring us to "start talking about race." Monthly dialogues were offered for "women of color" and "men of color." Nonbinary people of color were included, too.

These initiatives, bolstered by a $1 million grant from the NPR Foundation, came from management, from the top down. Crucially, they were in sync culturally with what was happening at the grassroots—among producers, reporters, and other staffers. Most visible was a burgeoning number of employee resource (or affinity) groups based on identity.

They included MGIPOC (Marginalized Genders and Intersex People of Color mentorship program); Mi Gente (Latinx employees at NPR); NPR Noir (black employees at NPR); Southwest Asians and North Africans at NPR; Ummah (for Muslim-identifying employees); Women, Gender-Expansive, and Transgender People in Technology Throughout Public Media; Khevre (Jewish heritage and culture at NPR); and NPR Pride (LGBTQIA employees at NPR).

All this reflected a broader movement in the culture of people clustering together based on ideology or a characteristic of birth. If, as NPR's internal website suggested, the groups were simply a "great way to meet like-minded colleagues" and "help new employees feel included," it would have been one thing.

But the role and standing of affinity groups, including those outside NPR, were more than that. They became a priority for NPR's union, SAG-AFTRA—an item in collective bargaining. The current contract, in a section on DEI, requires NPR management to "keep up to date with current language and style guidance from journalism affinity groups" and to inform employees if language differs from the diktats of those groups. In such a case, the dispute could go before the DEI Accountability Committee.

In essence, this means the NPR union, of which I am a dues-paying member, has ensured that advocacy groups are given a seat at the table in determining the terms and vocabulary of our news coverage.

Conflicts between workers and bosses, between labor and management, are common in workplaces. NPR has had its share. But what's notable is the extent to which people at every level of NPR have comfortably coalesced around the progressive worldview.

And this, I believe, is the most damaging development at NPR: the absence of viewpoint diversity.



Uri Berliner has resigned.

QuoteNPR Editor Who Accused Broadcaster of Liberal Bias Resigns
Uri Berliner, who has worked at NPR for 25 years, said in an essay last week that the nonprofit had allowed progressive bias to taint its coverage.

Wahoo Redux

IHE: Virginia County Defunds Community College Over SJP Film Screening

Lower Deck:
QuoteAfter Students for Justice in Palestine showed a movie on campus at Piedmont Virginia Community College, a local county suspended funding for the college.
Come, fill the Cup, and in the fire of Spring
Your Winter-garment of Repentance fling:
The Bird of Time has but a little way
To flutter--and the Bird is on the Wing.

nebo113

Quote from: Wahoo Redux on May 05, 2024, 05:21:47 PMIHE: Virginia County Defunds Community College Over SJP Film Screening

Lower Deck:
QuoteAfter Students for Justice in Palestine showed a movie on campus at Piedmont Virginia Community College, a local county suspended funding for the college.
"The resolution mentioned the film screening but did not explain what about the film or the SJP chapter raised concerns about antisemitism."