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It's useful to distinguish between "offer" price, or willingness to pay, which depends on how badly they want to get rid of you and how much cash they got to do it, and the "bid" price, or willingness to accept, which depends upon our personal idiosyncrasies and which is the subject of this thread.

It's hard to say anything systematic: Every institution will differ in its offer, and every individual will differ in his willingness to accept. Thus, the difference between the two -- the surplus -- will differ. One can fight over the surplus, but not more.

However, there is something that can be said about the apparently weird structure of the offered incentive. When the idea of paying faculty to leave started, it was often in the form of a cash emolument to leave. So, who took the option? Only the best faculty! They got new jobs right away. Employer was left with a bunch of losers. Thus, more sophistication: Pay only enough and in a form that the oldest leave. And so on.

There! Now you know why one can be unhappy. :-)

Saw American Fiction last night.  Deserved the Oscar buzz and awards.  I'd be curious if Black forumites have a different take on it.  Certainly, white people in the movie were portrayed mostly as none-too-bright virtue signaling fools.

I've posted it in another thread, but 1-2 year's salary?  What Daddy Warbucks College are you folks working at?  In the past, Artem U has offered a bag of chips.  And if you really complain, they'll throw in a pack of gum. Seriously, the crap offers they've made to date would only be of interest to those given a terminal diagnosis by their physician with a 3 month life expectancy.

Quote from: grammarmaiden on May 09, 2024, 02:02:37 PM@AJ_Katz, So sorry; I just finished posting final grades and came up for air (and to browse the fora).

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No problem!  I'm glad you saw my question and replied...  this is helpful!

Quote from: Hibush on May 15, 2024, 01:00:29 PMJusrisdictions vary as far as what city cops can do. In some places, if registered students are peacefully hanging out in a public space on campus, an order to leave would not be lawful. Campus administration needs to follow whatever due process and regulations apply to their campus. Some seem to have gotten it wrong by jumping in haste.

Looks to me like many campus administrations acted not in haste, but took far too long to call in the cops. Negotiate with trespassers and those interfering with normal operations and the stakes get raised. Give an inch, and the demonstrators take a foot. Have your buildings occupied next.

But so long as glass is not broken during the occupation, the Guardian will call it peaceful protests. No, that's not how it works.

Quote from: Wahoo Redux on May 15, 2024, 11:04:24 AMAsk ourselves: if these were registered students who were members of Storm Front peacefully occupying a campus but refusing to leave after lawfully ordered to, what would we have the cops do?

Jusrisdictions vary as far as what city cops can do. In some places, if registered students are peacefully hanging out in a public space on campus, an order to leave would not be lawful. Campus administration needs to follow whatever due process and regulations apply to their campus. Some seem to have gotten it wrong by jumping in haste.

Hindawi was in the business, inter alia, of providing an outlet for all the Middle Eastern and South Asian scholars who were required to publish a lot of peer-reveiewed papers without having the resources do the research that usually goes into a peer reveiewed research paper.

That part of the business was pretty evident to me in that some of the journals are in my scholarly discipline. Was Wiley unaware of that when they bought Hindawi a couple years ago, and only discovered the rot getting complaints about fraudulent articles? Or were they aware and decided to catch-and-kill this company that was bringing disrepute to their industry?

I'm glad that publishers have gotten more serious about cleaning up the dregs in larger numbers. The WSJ article makes it sound only like the very dregs, completely made up or copied articles. They are not catching the papers with fudged figures, elided data that don't support the conclusion, or conclusions tht are not supported by the data.

This discussion is to me, bizarre. Only a handful of campuses had spaces that prevented students from getting services. And I'm sorry, having police with snipers (IU and OSU) is an amazing overreach even if no heads were bashed. If the Storm Front students were on the quad the cops should do nothing.

And marshwiggle, the name calling in the US would almost certainly be protected free speech in this instance.

After I got done with grading and commencement last week, I finished a manuscript review yesterday, and am trying to wrap up conference proposal reviews today. I feel nervous about finishing my chapter due at the end of the month but my coauthor promised to work on it this week. I had a book chapter which got published on Monday (well, the book came out) so that is exciting.

Quote from: marshwiggle on May 15, 2024, 04:03:38 AM

Quote from: Parasaurolophus on May 14, 2024, 10:32:06 AMContext from the Guardian:

QuoteAn analysis of 553 US campus demonstrations nationwide between 18 April and 3 May found that fewer than 20 resulted in any serious interpersonal violence or property damage, according to statistics from the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project (Acled).

Over the same period, Acled documented at least 70 instances of forceful police intervention against US campus protests, which includes the arrest of demonstrators and the use of physical dispersal tactics, including the deployment of chemical agents, batons and other kinds of physical force.

So the lack of "serious interpersonal violence or property damage" potentially still allows blocking people from services and spaces, among other things. It also potentially allows all kinds of nasty name-calling and verbal harassment.
 

Frankly, I had the same thought.

And we shouldn't demonize the police for enforcing the law, even if they have to use force.  If anyone----students, professors, or anyone----is given a lawful order, they have to obey.  If they do not, the police are allowed to use proportional force to enforce the law.  I've watched the footage.  These are not cops walloping students with clubs as they did during the Chicago Democratic Convention in '68 or whatever.  These are wrestling matches and zip-ties and students (and the odd professor) being led from campus.

I acknowledge peoples' right to peacefully protest----but then one has to accept the consequences, which is part of the protest.

Ask ourselves: if these were registered students who were members of Storm Front peacefully occupying a campus but refusing to leave after lawfully ordered to, what would we have the cops do?