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[apl68]

If you consult Judith Martin's first Miss Manners book, you will see that she cites that leaving-food custom as the reason for choosing her pen name.

Soooo...does mean that Judith Martin was something of a chow hound?

[onthefringe]

If you consult Judith Martin's first Miss Manners book, you will see that she cites that leaving-food custom as the reason for choosing her pen name.

Hurrah! Excellent news--historical accuracy restored!

But, I must admit, I'm having difficulty giving up the idea of a time-traveling etiquette maven. This is a book I suddenly need in my life. Desperately.

Great example of what Jo Walton calls the Tiffany problem using the example that Tiffany is a legitimate medieval name (a variant of Theophania) that you could never get away with using in historical fiction.

[apl68]

If you consult Judith Martin's first Miss Manners book, you will see that she cites that leaving-food custom as the reason for choosing her pen name.

Hurrah! Excellent news--historical accuracy restored!

But, I must admit, I'm having difficulty giving up the idea of a time-traveling etiquette maven. This is a book I suddenly need in my life. Desperately.

Great example of what Jo Walton calls the Tiffany problem using the example that Tiffany is a legitimate medieval name (a variant of Theophania) that you could never get away with using in historical fiction.

I didn't know that!

Re names from earlier eras--I've noticed that writers of westerns have long tended to exaggerate the prevalence of obscure biblical names and other archaic-sounding names in 19th-century America.  Actually from what I've seen in Civil War muster records there were probably half a dozen simple Toms and Bills and Johns for every Azariah or Ephraim.  The odd-to-us names were a thing back then, but western writers' tendency to latch onto them as a shorthand for establishing period detail makes them sound more common than they really were.

[mamselle]

Yes, that practice was 2 centuries earlier (East coast/US and some UK gravestones have several examples) in the more immediate post-Reformation era, not later.

However, Catherine Marshall's book on her teaching work in the Appalachians* in the 1940s-50s notes the prevalence of Elizabethan names like "Fairlight," persisting into the early decades of the 20th c., along with speech patterned judged by some to have been practically Shakespearean...the area was that isolated.

M.

*I'll have to look it up, it escapes me at the moment...

[ciao_yall]

Yes, that practice was 2 centuries earlier (East coast/US and some UK gravestones have several examples) in the more immediate post-Reformation era, not later.

However, Catherine Marshall's book on her teaching work in the Appalachians* in the 1940s-50s notes the prevalence of Elizabethan names like "Fairlight," persisting into the early decades of the 20th c., along with speech patterned judged by some to have been practically Shakespearean...the area was that isolated.

M.

*I'll have to look it up, it escapes me at the moment...

I remember that book! Read it when I was a kid. I so wanted to grow up and star as her in the movie and cast Shaun Cassidy as David.

[glendower]

If you consult Judith Martin's first Miss Manners book, you will see that she cites that leaving-food custom as the reason for choosing her pen name.

Hurrah! Excellent news--historical accuracy restored!

But, I must admit, I'm having difficulty giving up the idea of a time-traveling etiquette maven. This is a book I suddenly need in my life. Desperately.

I want to read that too! A bit like the Chrestomanci books, maybe? If someone says "Miss Manners, Miss Manners, Miss Manners," she comes whooshing in to save the situation!

[Parasaurolophus]

My remaining grandmother made it to 100 today.

[mamselle]

Wow.

Did she get a card from the White House?

What are her most memorable stories?

M.

[Parasaurolophus]

Wow.

Did she get a card from the White House?

What are her most memorable stories?

M.

Canada, so nope. You can request a letter from the Queen, though.

She was a mean one before she started doddering, however, and I seldom saw her, so I'm afraid that all I remember are the cutting things she's said to or about my father and my siblings (never me, though).

My other grandmother was a saint, though. I lived with her, in fact. So plenty of memorable stories there!

[Parasaurolophus]

A very important item I only just discovered:

Wilkinson, D., Nisbet, E., & Ruxton, G. (2012). Could methane produced by sauropod dinosaurs have helped drive Mesozoic climate warmth? Current Biology, 22 (9), R292–R293.

[mamselle]

It was all your fault, Para...

M.

[Parasaurolophus]

It was all your fault, Para...

M.

Amma ornithopod, not a sauropod! My contributions are more modest!

(Judging from his contributions, however, the hatchling may well be a sauropod.)

[Juvenal]

A very important item I only just discovered:

Wilkinson, D., Nisbet, E., & Ruxton, G. (2012). Could methane produced by sauropod dinosaurs have helped drive Mesozoic climate warmth? Current Biology, 22 (9), R292–R293.

Same old song--blame the reptiles.

[Langue_doc]

This

Rudy Giuliani heckled, slapped on back while campaigning with son on Staten Island

is probably behind a paywall, so here's the article.
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-rudy-giuliani-slapped-staten-island-20220626-d5452ntmbrbohp6xfo73mixu4u-story.html

Rudy Giuliani was heckled and slapped on the back in a Staten Island grocery store Sunday while campaigning with his son ahead of Tuesday's gubernatorial primaries, police sources said.

The former mayor — who has been traveling across the state to help promote his son to voters ahead of the GOP primary — accompanied Andrew Giuliani, 36, through the five boroughs Sunday, the sources said.

At a stop at a ShopRite location in the Charleston section of Staten Island, sources said a 39-year-old employee approached Giuliani from behind, slapped him on the back and said, "What's up, scumbag?"

Guiliani was not injured and the employee was taken into custody at the store, cops said.

[Antiphon1]

This

Rudy Giuliani heckled, slapped on back while campaigning with son on Staten Island

is probably behind a paywall, so here's the article.
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-rudy-giuliani-slapped-staten-island-20220626-d5452ntmbrbohp6xfo73mixu4u-story.html

Rudy Giuliani was heckled and slapped on the back in a Staten Island grocery store Sunday while campaigning with his son ahead of Tuesday's gubernatorial primaries, police sources said.

The former mayor — who has been traveling across the state to help promote his son to voters ahead of the GOP primary — accompanied Andrew Giuliani, 36, through the five boroughs Sunday, the sources said.

At a stop at a ShopRite location in the Charleston section of Staten Island, sources said a 39-year-old employee approached Giuliani from behind, slapped him on the back and said, "What's up, scumbag?"

Guiliani was not injured and the employee was taken into custody at the store, cops said.

Damn. I thought the incident was a in front of a landscaping company's offices and next door to a porn shop.  Works better with the scumbag designation.