Any news on this year's DOE early career proposals?
any news on this?
Did anyone hear anything about this year's (2020) DOE early career?
I think results have come out in August traditionally so there is still some time. Our submission deadline was 2 weeks late so presumably that could translate to a later announcement too?
Last year one of my colleagues heard from the PM after five weeks from the due date. It was a phone call saying he/she was selected. But the actual announcement came 2 months later.
I would assume in most groups its later, although like everything could vary with PM. Last year I reviewed early career proposals for the PM I submitted to this year. I just looked in my email and my reviews were received May 27 last year. I think I submitted them on time (as I was trying to impress the PM for this year!) but reviewers receiving a few week extension is not unreasonable, particularly this year given COVID. In addition, everything would have been shifted by 2 weeks due to the extension we all received in submission. Once the PM received the reviews, there would likely need to be at least 2 weeks to read all of the comments for all the proposals. So I wouldn't guess I would hear anything until late June/early July if my PM sticks to the same schedule. But of course your group could be quicker.
Which program did you submit to/have you submitted in the past?
Yes, this can be different from program to program, and with the current situation delaying everything isn't a surprise.
Actually, two of my colleagues got a phone call from their PM on the same day (June 17th, 2019). I guess its six weeks, not five weeks. The two programs are BES - Materials Chemistry and FES - HEDP.
I applied to BES - condensed matter physics.
What was the program that you reviewed last year?
I reviewed for the physical behavior of materials. Also in BES but not in CMP.
I think hearing in late June would likely be reasonable if everything is on time this year. I do have a DOE regular grant and it took maybe a month between when we got our reviews back to the official paperwork being set. We were asked to revise our abstract etc during that time. Hearing in late June would be consistent with public notification in August.
Good luck to your application! This is my first time applying. I don't have high hopes but do have some preliminary data related to my proposal which gives me a bit of hope.
Thanks!
Waiting is a stressful process. This is my second time. My first-time scores were good. I had 6, 6, 5, and 4, but I had two awards from DOE and NSF, which kind of went against me. They concluded that my proposal highly overlaps with my current funding, which wasn't the case.
I am hopeful with the current submission, but you never know.
Having preliminary data always help. GOOD LUCK!
Wow those are excellent scores. Its a shame you didnt get funded. Good luck this time!
Wanted to check in if anyone heard? I heard from a colleague who heard from a colleague that someone was informed although its not in my field. It did sound like it was last week so perhaps still some time but was curious if others had started to hear anything?
Interesting. I think all PMs informs the winners on the same day. This is unofficial and to request a public abstract and revised budget. Two of my colleague who won last year heard from the same day even though they are two different programs (BES - Materials Chemistry and FES - HEDP). I guess it a no for me this year as well. Well...that's a bummer. I have one more try left.
Anyone else heard from their PMs?
I haven't heard anything although since I'm not optimistic about my chances I'm not sure if thats useful feedback to you. Presumably those being awarded the funds would be contacted first?
Would like to get going on the AFOSR YIP and NSF CAREER so it would be very "helpful" to have a rejection if that is what is coming so I can more easily apply for those grants with no ambiguity on the potential overlap.
Yes, I think that was the case. Only winners contacted first. I wrote to my PM last week asking the proposal's status but didn't hear back.
I think we shouldn't totally give up hope for another few weeks. Your prior message stated your colleagues were informed on June 17. We had a 2 week extension for submission this year so even if there weren't additional delays due to COVID (for example in getting reviews), we still have another 2 weeks to be on track from last year. The rumors I heard about were from high energy so that could be a very different date than BES?
Please do let us know if your PO responds or if you hear anything else.
Are you also gearing up for an NSF CAREER? I will submit one of those this summer too...
2019 - due date was 4/29, and,2020 due date was 3/30. So the Jun 17 based on 4/29 dude data. As you said, HEP can be different from BES. The only information that I know is last year they called the winners from BES and FES on the same day.
Sure, I'll let you know. As of today no reply.
Yes, I am planning to submit a proposal to NSF early career, knowing the results of DOE EC and the reviewer's comments will help to shape the NSF proposal. I hope we will hear from DOE at least a couple of weeks before the deadline.
I saw a bunch of announcements start to come out.
https://newscenter.lbl.gov/2020/06/23/doe-early-career-research-awards/
Nothing yet from the DOE but doesn't look promising...
https://science.osti.gov/-/media/early-career/pdf/ECRP-2020-PI-list-v2.pdf?la=en&hash=EC5E48E268C120F357BA07AB23A547E1E42FC6B3
https://www.energy.gov/articles/department-energy-selects-76-scientists-receive-early-career-research-program-funding
Decline email will come by the end of the day and reviews will be available in PAMS.
Ouch. Sorry to hear this...
M.
I just saw the reviews and it was 1 6 and 3 5s. Does anyone happen to know to what it actually takes to receive funding? There is some useful feedback on how I could slightly alter a few things but it would be helpful to know how much further this has to go to actually receive funding?
Quote from: ocean2428 on June 23, 2020, 11:52:14 AM
https://www.energy.gov/articles/department-energy-selects-76-scientists-receive-early-career-research-program-funding
Decline email will come by the end of the day and reviews will be available in PAMS.
Wow, there are excellent scores. I still can't see reviews.
Last year I got two 6's, 5, and 4, and it was encouraged. So I request feedback form PM.
His reply:
"I really can't provide much feedback beyond the reviewer input. Given that a proposal was encouraged, it was topically relevant to the ECMP portfolio.
Out of fairness to others submitting proposals, I have a policy of not collaborating with PIs on improving proposals for future submissions.
I hope you understand.
Perhaps you could seek feedback from senior colleagues?
Please feel free to contact me with your best science ideas going forward."
One of my colleague who got the award last year, scores were three 6s and 4
I still can't see my review. When did you receive your reviews? PAMS still says under review. I was hoping to see my reviews so that I can do the necessary upgrades to my NSF proposal.
Quote from: doc700 on June 23, 2020, 03:07:11 PM
I just saw the reviews and it was 1 6 and 3 5s. Does anyone happen to know to what it actually takes to receive funding? There is some useful feedback on how I could slightly alter a few things but it would be helpful to know how much further this has to go to actually receive funding?
I got mine yesterday late afternoon. My proposal says "declined" in PAMS. Hopefully yours come soon!
I really need *a* win with one of these grants. I haven't received any yet and the funding situation is getting dire.
I hear you. It is one of those things that you need everything to align perfectly. I thought your scores were excellent. I am surprised they didn't pick yours. Did you talk to your PM?
I still didn't get my reviews. I wrote to my PM again but no reply. Seems like my PM not that helpful.
Why do you need *a" win with one of these early-career grants?
Quote from: doc700 on June 24, 2020, 05:36:00 AM
I got mine yesterday late afternoon. My proposal says "declined" in PAMS. Hopefully yours come soon!
I really need *a* win with one of these grants. I haven't received any yet and the funding situation is getting dire.
I mean that I have been applying to several grants (early career and not) and haven't been awarded a single one. Clearly to support a lab I need a lot of funding long term, but short term really really need one of these to come through. Its comforting to get some good reviews but practically need the funding to pay students in the group. It would be great to get several sources of funding but just getting a single grant at the moment would help a lot.
Quote from: doc700 on June 24, 2020, 01:02:26 PM
I mean that I have been applying to several grants (early career and not) and haven't been awarded a single one. Clearly to support a lab I need a lot of funding long term, but short term really really need one of these to come through. Its comforting to get some good reviews but practically need the funding to pay students in the group. It would be great to get several sources of funding but just getting a single grant at the moment would help a lot.
I hear you. I am in the same boat.
Also I love your user name! That is a great theorem.
Quote from: merminwagner on June 24, 2020, 10:02:08 AM
Why do you need *a" win with one of these early-career grants?
Quote from: doc700 on June 24, 2020, 05:36:00 AM
I got mine yesterday late afternoon. My proposal says "declined" in PAMS. Hopefully yours come soon!
I really need *a* win with one of these grants. I haven't received any yet and the funding situation is getting dire.
Anyone else having trouble getting the reviews? I still can't see my reviews in PAMS
Can you see your proposal in PAMS? Under "view my proposals" do you see your proposal but no reviews? Does it still say "under review" there?
When mine changed to "declined" I could see my reviews.
I know you said you applied before so I assume you are familiar ... all I can say is that this frustrating and I'm sorry!
Yes, it still says under review. Very frustrating
Quote from: ocean2428 on June 25, 2020, 08:24:03 AM
Yes, it still says under review. Very frustrating
Any luck?
Nope. Very frustrating. Still says under review. No reply from my PM. I'll try to call the PM Monday.
Could it be "maybe/good/news"?
Like, they like it and are trying to scrape together enough funding to support it?
But I suppose that way lies madness.
Anyway, hope you're out of your misery soon.
M.
All awards have been finalized. DOE does not operate like NSF. For FOAs, they finalize everything by a predetermined deadline. In the case of FY2020 ECA, everything's finalized before June 8th.
Quote from: mamselle on June 26, 2020, 10:51:24 AM
Could it be "maybe/good/news"?
Like, they like it and are trying to scrape together enough funding to support it?
But I suppose that way lies madness.
Anyway, hope you're out of your misery soon.
M.
I still haven't heard from DOE.
I have no suggestions but just wanted to say that must be really stressful. I'm really sorry... I guess we still have some time until NSF but nevertheless can assume you just want the closure of the reviews.
Is there anyone else in this thread who has not got the reviews comment of your DOE early career proposals?
Wow. This is terrible. I'm really sorry. This has to be so frustrating, especially with the NSF CAREER right around the corner now. Haven't heard of anyone else missing scores or having this problem -- but just wanted to say sorry.
Did anyone apply for the DOE early career this year?
I have applied.
Does your status change to Under review?
Quote from: sunpak on February 28, 2021, 03:56:34 PM
I have applied.
where can you see this? our ORSP office submitted the proposal for us. And it is not reflected on my PAMS portal. thanks
Quote from: ocean2428 on March 01, 2021, 08:24:24 AM
Does your status change to Under review?
Quote from: sunpak on February 28, 2021, 03:56:34 PM
I have applied.
You can find the status in PAMS by choosing 'Access Previously Submitted Grants.gov proposal' and filling in some information.
Quote from: J.dodo1988 on March 01, 2021, 08:40:36 AM
where can you see this? our ORSP office submitted the proposal for us. And it is not reflected on my PAMS portal. thanks
Quote from: ocean2428 on March 01, 2021, 08:24:24 AM
Does your status change to Under review?
Quote from: sunpak on February 28, 2021, 03:56:34 PM
I have applied.
Thanks for the information! It shows "submitted to DOE" for my case.
Quote from: sunpak on March 01, 2021, 01:14:05 PM
You can find the status in PAMS by choosing 'Access Previously Submitted Grants.gov proposal' and filling in some information.
Quote from: J.dodo1988 on March 01, 2021, 08:40:36 AM
where can you see this? our ORSP office submitted the proposal for us. And it is not reflected on my PAMS portal. thanks
Quote from: ocean2428 on March 01, 2021, 08:24:24 AM
Does your status change to Under review?
Quote from: sunpak on February 28, 2021, 03:56:34 PM
I have applied.
Did anyone hear anything from DOE early career proposal?
Given the due date this year, when should we expect the contact from the PM? Would it always be phonon calls or it could be emails?
Phone call probably! some of my colleagues heard after 5 weeks back in 2019
Quote from: ocean2428 on July 01, 2019, 11:39:06 AM
Any news on this year's DOE early career proposals?
What is DOE?
US Department of Energy
I am wondering whether anyone has any news.
I have not heard anything yet.
Quote from: sunpak on April 28, 2021, 08:10:33 AM
I am wondering whether anyone has any news.
"Word on the street" is that all successful applicants have been notified -- public abstracts/revised budgets/updated C&P were due to DOE last week. Awards expected to be published in ~3 weeks.
Ocean -- didn't you get NSF CAREER this year? I thought one could only get NSF or DOE but wasn't eligible for the second?
Thank you. I will look at the comments later and maybe try it again next year.
Quote from: doc700 on April 28, 2021, 12:37:36 PM
"Word on the street" is that all successful applicants have been notified -- public abstracts/revised budgets/updated C&P were due to DOE last week. Awards expected to be published in ~3 weeks.
Ocean -- didn't you get NSF CAREER this year? I thought one could only get NSF or DOE but wasn't eligible for the second?
Oh! I wasn't aware of that. I know some of them who got both, so that's why I submitted even though I got the NSF early career.
Quote from: doc700 on April 28, 2021, 12:37:36 PM
"Word on the street" is that all successful applicants have been notified -- public abstracts/revised budgets/updated C&P were due to DOE last week. Awards expected to be published in ~3 weeks.
Ocean -- didn't you get NSF CAREER this year? I thought one could only get NSF or DOE but wasn't eligible for the second?
Quote from: doc700 on April 28, 2021, 12:37:36 PM
"Word on the street" is that all successful applicants have been notified -- public abstracts/revised budgets/updated C&P were due to DOE last week. Awards expected to be published in ~3 weeks.
Ocean -- didn't you get NSF CAREER this year? I thought one could only get NSF or DOE but wasn't eligible for the second?
You can have both, and there is no limit to get all these early career awards from NSF, ONR, AFOSR, DOE, NASA, DARPA, ...
Quote from: doc700 on April 28, 2021, 12:37:36 PM
"Word on the street" is that all successful applicants have been notified -- public abstracts/revised budgets/updated C&P were due to DOE last week. Awards expected to be published in ~3 weeks.
Ocean -- didn't you get NSF CAREER this year? I thought one could only get NSF or DOE but wasn't eligible for the second?
depends on your field. no official policy says that one would preclude the other. but funds in some fields are scarce, nsf and doe pms talk to each other and they don't double fund the same PI, even if the PI are proposing two different projects.
Quote from: soccer on April 29, 2021, 12:35:56 AM
Quote from: doc700 on April 28, 2021, 12:37:36 PM
"Word on the street" is that all successful applicants have been notified -- public abstracts/revised budgets/updated C&P were due to DOE last week. Awards expected to be published in ~3 weeks.
Ocean -- didn't you get NSF CAREER this year? I thought one could only get NSF or DOE but wasn't eligible for the second?
depends on your field. no official policy says that one would preclude the other. but funds in some fields are scarce, nsf and doe pms talk to each other and they don't double fund the same PI, even if the PI are proposing two different projects.
This is what I've been told too. I don't think there is any conflict with the 3-year DOD proposals but had heard it was exceedingly unlikely to get both the NSF CAREER + DOE Early Career as both are 5-year "career" awards. I have also heard there is discussion between POs and if one was funded the other PO would decline, regardless of whether there is overlap in the research objectives.
How reliable is the information you heard? I sent an email to my PM and below was his reply. I don't know what to make of his/her reply. Does this mean they haven't finalized the awards or they simply don't want us to know the declination until they announce the winners?
"I don't have any information at this time. I have highlighted your work at the xxx. Also, the xxx xxxxx highlighted your work.
I think your work is exceptional. Let's chat after we know the outcome of the ECRP. On a side note, I saw that you received a CAREER award from NSF (congratulations). Is there any overlap between the two proposals?"
Quote from: doc700 on April 28, 2021, 12:37:36 PM
"Word on the street" is that all successful applicants have been notified -- public abstracts/revised budgets/updated C&P were due to DOE last week. Awards expected to be published in ~3 weeks.
Ocean -- didn't you get NSF CAREER this year? I thought one could only get NSF or DOE but wasn't eligible for the second?
I reliably know of multiple people who have been recommended/have had materials due by the end of last week. I've reliably heard results would be posted in ~3 weeks. That said, its possible different programs are different? One would expect to hear very soon though as PO recommendations need to go through DOE before everything is posted on the same date?
That said, that is a very encouraging email! It sounds like you could get funding through the program regardless?
Quote from: ocean2428 on April 29, 2021, 10:15:23 AM
How reliable is the information you heard? I sent an email to my PM and below was his reply. I don't know what to make of his/her reply. Does this mean they haven't finalized the awards or they simply don't want us to know the declination until they announce the winners?
"I don't have any information at this time. I have highlighted your work at the xxx. Also, the xxx xxxxx highlighted your work.
I think your work is exceptional. Let's chat after we know the outcome of the ECRP. On a side note, I saw that you received a CAREER award from NSF (congratulations). Is there any overlap between the two proposals?"
Quote from: doc700 on April 28, 2021, 12:37:36 PM
"Word on the street" is that all successful applicants have been notified -- public abstracts/revised budgets/updated C&P were due to DOE last week. Awards expected to be published in ~3 weeks.
Ocean -- didn't you get NSF CAREER this year? I thought one could only get NSF or DOE but wasn't eligible for the second?
You have solid information. I highly doubt that DOE different divisions process EC awards separately. At least in the past I know three different divisions contacted the winners on the same day. MY PM probably been nice and he should know whether I made the cut or not. I am sure it's a decline for me. Well here goes my all three attempts.
Quote from: doc700 on April 29, 2021, 12:45:30 PM
I reliably know of multiple people who have been recommended/have had materials due by the end of last week. I've reliably heard results would be posted in ~3 weeks. That said, its possible different programs are different? One would expect to hear very soon though as PO recommendations need to go through DOE before everything is posted on the same date?
That said, that is a very encouraging email! It sounds like you could get funding through the program regardless?
Quote from: ocean2428 on April 29, 2021, 10:15:23 AM
How reliable is the information you heard? I sent an email to my PM and below was his reply. I don't know what to make of his/her reply. Does this mean they haven't finalized the awards or they simply don't want us to know the declination until they announce the winners?
"I don't have any information at this time. I have highlighted your work at the xxx. Also, the xxx xxxxx highlighted your work.
I think your work is exceptional. Let's chat after we know the outcome of the ECRP. On a side note, I saw that you received a CAREER award from NSF (congratulations). Is there any overlap between the two proposals?"
Quote from: doc700 on April 28, 2021, 12:37:36 PM
"Word on the street" is that all successful applicants have been notified -- public abstracts/revised budgets/updated C&P were due to DOE last week. Awards expected to be published in ~3 weeks.
Ocean -- didn't you get NSF CAREER this year? I thought one could only get NSF or DOE but wasn't eligible for the second?
You have the NSF Career though! And it sounds like well-regarded research and a lead on funding from the DOE regardless? I think for the DOE it doesn't matter as much if you get in through Early Career or in through the general program..it matters if you get in as DOE seems to have much more sustained funding. I would assume your grant was extremely well received from the email and the PO will offer some other options. I really thought that it wasn't possible to get DOE Early Career + NSF Career which could be the technicality here?
Quote from: ocean2428 on April 29, 2021, 02:36:16 PM
You have solid information. I highly doubt that DOE different divisions process EC awards separately. At least in the past I know three different divisions contacted the winners on the same day. MY PM probably been nice and he should know whether I made the cut or not. I am sure it's a decline for me. Well here goes my all three attempts.
Quote from: doc700 on April 29, 2021, 12:45:30 PM
I reliably know of multiple people who have been recommended/have had materials due by the end of last week. I've reliably heard results would be posted in ~3 weeks. That said, its possible different programs are different? One would expect to hear very soon though as PO recommendations need to go through DOE before everything is posted on the same date?
That said, that is a very encouraging email! It sounds like you could get funding through the program regardless?
Quote from: ocean2428 on April 29, 2021, 10:15:23 AM
How reliable is the information you heard? I sent an email to my PM and below was his reply. I don't know what to make of his/her reply. Does this mean they haven't finalized the awards or they simply don't want us to know the declination until they announce the winners?
"I don't have any information at this time. I have highlighted your work at the xxx. Also, the xxx xxxxx highlighted your work.
I think your work is exceptional. Let's chat after we know the outcome of the ECRP. On a side note, I saw that you received a CAREER award from NSF (congratulations). Is there any overlap between the two proposals?"
Quote from: doc700 on April 28, 2021, 12:37:36 PM
"Word on the street" is that all successful applicants have been notified -- public abstracts/revised budgets/updated C&P were due to DOE last week. Awards expected to be published in ~3 weeks.
Ocean -- didn't you get NSF CAREER this year? I thought one could only get NSF or DOE but wasn't eligible for the second?
Not really. I know a few people have DOE Early Career + NSF Career.
Quote from: doc700 on April 29, 2021, 03:28:35 PM
You have the NSF Career though! And it sounds like well-regarded research and a lead on funding from the DOE regardless? I think for the DOE it doesn't matter as much if you get in through Early Career or in through the general program..it matters if you get in as DOE seems to have much more sustained funding. I would assume your grant was extremely well received from the email and the PO will offer some other options. I really thought that it wasn't possible to get DOE Early Career + NSF Career which could be the technicality here?
Quote from: ocean2428 on April 29, 2021, 02:36:16 PM
You have solid information. I highly doubt that DOE different divisions process EC awards separately. At least in the past I know three different divisions contacted the winners on the same day. MY PM probably been nice and he should know whether I made the cut or not. I am sure it's a decline for me. Well here goes my all three attempts.
Quote from: doc700 on April 29, 2021, 12:45:30 PM
I reliably know of multiple people who have been recommended/have had materials due by the end of last week. I've reliably heard results would be posted in ~3 weeks. That said, its possible different programs are different? One would expect to hear very soon though as PO recommendations need to go through DOE before everything is posted on the same date?
That said, that is a very encouraging email! It sounds like you could get funding through the program regardless?
Quote from: ocean2428 on April 29, 2021, 10:15:23 AM
How reliable is the information you heard? I sent an email to my PM and below was his reply. I don't know what to make of his/her reply. Does this mean they haven't finalized the awards or they simply don't want us to know the declination until they announce the winners?
"I don't have any information at this time. I have highlighted your work at the xxx. Also, the xxx xxxxx highlighted your work.
I think your work is exceptional. Let's chat after we know the outcome of the ECRP. On a side note, I saw that you received a CAREER award from NSF (congratulations). Is there any overlap between the two proposals?"
Quote from: doc700 on April 28, 2021, 12:37:36 PM
"Word on the street" is that all successful applicants have been notified -- public abstracts/revised budgets/updated C&P were due to DOE last week. Awards expected to be published in ~3 weeks.
Ocean -- didn't you get NSF CAREER this year? I thought one could only get NSF or DOE but wasn't eligible for the second?
I know at least five colleagues in the past who have received both NSF Career and DOE Career awards.
Quote from: doc700 on April 29, 2021, 03:28:35 PM
You have the NSF Career though! And it sounds like well-regarded research and a lead on funding from the DOE regardless? I think for the DOE it doesn't matter as much if you get in through Early Career or in through the general program..it matters if you get in as DOE seems to have much more sustained funding. I would assume your grant was extremely well received from the email and the PO will offer some other options. I really thought that it wasn't possible to get DOE Early Career + NSF Career which could be the technicality here?
Quote from: ocean2428 on April 29, 2021, 02:36:16 PM
You have solid information. I highly doubt that DOE different divisions process EC awards separately. At least in the past I know three different divisions contacted the winners on the same day. MY PM probably been nice and he should know whether I made the cut or not. I am sure it's a decline for me. Well here goes my all three attempts.
Quote from: doc700 on April 29, 2021, 12:45:30 PM
I reliably know of multiple people who have been recommended/have had materials due by the end of last week. I've reliably heard results would be posted in ~3 weeks. That said, its possible different programs are different? One would expect to hear very soon though as PO recommendations need to go through DOE before everything is posted on the same date?
That said, that is a very encouraging email! It sounds like you could get funding through the program regardless?
Quote from: ocean2428 on April 29, 2021, 10:15:23 AM
How reliable is the information you heard? I sent an email to my PM and below was his reply. I don't know what to make of his/her reply. Does this mean they haven't finalized the awards or they simply don't want us to know the declination until they announce the winners?
"I don't have any information at this time. I have highlighted your work at the xxx. Also, the xxx xxxxx highlighted your work.
I think your work is exceptional. Let's chat after we know the outcome of the ECRP. On a side note, I saw that you received a CAREER award from NSF (congratulations). Is there any overlap between the two proposals?"
Quote from: doc700 on April 28, 2021, 12:37:36 PM
"Word on the street" is that all successful applicants have been notified -- public abstracts/revised budgets/updated C&P were due to DOE last week. Awards expected to be published in ~3 weeks.
Ocean -- didn't you get NSF CAREER this year? I thought one could only get NSF or DOE but wasn't eligible for the second?
The awards are here:
https://science.osti.gov/-/media/early-career/pdf/ECRP2021-PI-list-v2.pdf?la=en&hash=5805F50BFF2FDB42F94E791FF96B0D0086369EAD