What are our policies on protecting our right to anonymity after death? Forumites post here under the assumption that their comments regarding families, friends, colleagues, chairs, and institutions, just to name a few, are protected by their right to confidentiality.
I would like to suggest that we let our deceased colleagues rest in peace, and not rationalize exposing their identities.
QuoteI know we are not supposed to reveal the real names of forumites here, but if someone could remind me of the guidelines about sharing information (such as the link to her obituary) after someone has passed, I would be grateful for that.
I doubt if mamselle would want her identity to be made public despite using her real name when communicating with many of us through PMs, especially because she knew that her passing was a mere matter of months. I also recall that there were relatives that she disagreed with and hence would not have wanted her identity made public.
Forumites who have complained about their colleagues, admincritters, and their institutions would likewise not want to be outed after their death.
Moderators, could we decide that unless we have explicitly given permission to be outed after our death, our identities should be kept confidential?
I agree. Thank you for the suggestion.
I think that makes sense. I can say that I don't care what happens to my identity after death. Only a couple of forumites know who I am, and even fewer care! So, if it got out, big deal. But in general, yes, continue anonymity after death.
Yes to anonymity. I don't want people to wonder, "Was he talking about me in that post from 3 years ago?"
I am just fine being outed - I'm not very careful about keeping anonymous anyway.
Quote from: fishbrains on January 16, 2023, 08:26:35 AM
Yes to anonymity. I don't want people to wonder, "Was he talking about me in that post from 3 years ago?"
Yes, although you can never really rely on anonymity. I wouldn't post on here if everything I wrote showed up in a google search for me, but at the same time I don't post anything that I absolutely wouldn't want to be linked to me.
Aside from the abstract right to anonymity, what is being proposed? What rules should the The Fora moderator adopt? Deleting posts that out members? Warnings or explusions for those who violate the right?
I tend to think that those who really don't want to be outed shouldn't reveal their identity to anyone they don't completely trust. I'm not sure where any supposed "right" comes from. But it makes sense for the purpose of people feeling free to discuss sensitive issues here that there should be a general expectation that identities will not be revealed.
As we saw with the old fora, we don't have much control over what happens with the info we post here. Right now, there's one person who owns the site, and I don't think we have much info about that person. I'm not saying we should be worried about that person, just that it is all built on trust. It's also worth bearing in mind that the whole future of the site is far from assured. The internet is a wild west.
I believe we've all agreed to keep ourselves and others anonymous. So, its not a fundamental right, but just something we agreed to. Yes, I am sure people who cared could probably figure out who a few of us are. But nonetheless, we've greed to what we've agreed to.
I guess I agree, Forumites should not be outed on either side of the mortal veil.
As I noted on the other thread, when a member passed once before, a relative of theirs came on (using their account) to announce the death, and shared their real name. Letting a loved one know what to do with your online accounts is probably wise.
We had a similar discussion on the old Fora, and I think the outcome there was as it is here - respect privacy unless the expectation to it was explicitly waived.
Quote from: Ruralguy on January 16, 2023, 01:42:45 PM
I believe we've all agreed to keep ourselves and others anonymous. So, its not a fundamental right, but just something we agreed to. Yes, I am sure people who cared could probably figure out who a few of us are. But nonetheless, we've greed to what we've agreed to.
The basic rule I try to follow is that I don't want to post anything on here that I would never want linked to me. I wouldn't want my posts to show up in a google search for my name and if they did, I wouldn't post here, but I also wouldn't want to write something that could cause anything more than embarrassment for me.
Quote from: Ruralguy on January 16, 2023, 01:42:45 PM
I believe we've all agreed to keep ourselves and others anonymous. So, its not a fundamental right, but just something we agreed to. Yes, I am sure people who cared could probably figure out who a few of us are. But nonetheless, we've greed to what we've agreed to.
Quote from: Caracal on January 17, 2023, 06:43:12 AM
The basic rule I try to follow is that I don't want to post anything on here that I would never want linked to me. I wouldn't want my posts to show up in a google search for my name and if they did, I wouldn't post here, but I also wouldn't want to write something that could cause anything more than embarrassment for me.
I never specifically mention conferences that I attend or have attended (especially ones where I am a presenter) and specific societies of which I am a member, nor do I mention any of my publication or grant outlets. If I gave out any of this info, it would make it easier for bored nosy busybodies to figure out who I am. So, I don't. People that do, well, it's not that tough to figure out who they are.
Quote from: lightning on January 17, 2023, 07:04:32 AM
Quote from: Ruralguy on January 16, 2023, 01:42:45 PM
I believe we've all agreed to keep ourselves and others anonymous. So, its not a fundamental right, but just something we agreed to. Yes, I am sure people who cared could probably figure out who a few of us are. But nonetheless, we've greed to what we've agreed to.
Quote from: Caracal on January 17, 2023, 06:43:12 AM
The basic rule I try to follow is that I don't want to post anything on here that I would never want linked to me. I wouldn't want my posts to show up in a google search for my name and if they did, I wouldn't post here, but I also wouldn't want to write something that could cause anything more than embarrassment for me.
I never specifically mention conferences that I attend or have attended (especially ones where I am a presenter) and specific societies of which I am a member, nor do I mention any of my publication or grant outlets. If I gave out any of this info, it would make it easier for bored nosy busybodies to figure out who I am. So, I don't. People that do, well, it's not that tough to figure out who they are.
Yes! I think being anonymous is also our responsibility to filter what we share here, because going into too many specifics will allow someone who cares to to sleuth out identities. I am sometimes surprised at the level of detail some forumites go into--thinking that if they were in my circle I would be able to identify who they are by their posts. However, I also acknowledge that for some, anonymity is of less a concern. Anonymity in life and beyond, I say...
Let's not get paranoid or self-important. If one reveals enough personalia to alllow someone to suss out one's ID, that is one's problem. I actually had a guy on the old fora PM me once, address me by my proper name, and criticize me for something I had done. I did not know him and asked him how he (correctly) had ascertained my identity. He told me he had taken various things I had said and done some googling, essentially. Ah well. Truth is, I will share my ID here with anyone who asks, provided it is a two-way street...
The concern is that one's identity is disclosed without the forumite's permission. This is an anonymous forum, so the expectation is that the moderators would remove all identifying information if such information were posted by someone other than the forumite.
As for the forumite whose identity was revealed by her son, I recall that the forumite would post rather negative comments about the son. It wasn't clear from the son's posts if he had read those comments, but this again would be a good reason not to out deceased forumites to their families or colleagues.
QuoteLet's not get paranoid or self-important.
Forumites who expect their identities to be kept confidential are neither paranoid or self-important, but are merely pointing out that
The Fora claims to be an anonymous forum and as such there is an expectation of privacy.
Quote from: kaysixteen on January 19, 2023, 10:22:35 PM
I did not know him and asked him how he (correctly) had ascertained my identity. He told me he had taken various things I had said and done some googling, essentially.
Apparently we are regularly underestimating the time one might have on one's hands.
Quote from: Langue_doc on January 20, 2023, 05:13:18 AM
The concern is that one's identity is disclosed without the forumite's permission. This is an anonymous forum, so the expectation is that the moderators would remove all identifying information if such information were posted by someone other than the forumite.
As for the forumite whose identity was revealed by her son, I recall that the forumite would post rather negative comments about the son. It wasn't clear from the son's posts if he had read those comments, but this again would be a good reason not to out deceased forumites to their families or colleagues.
QuoteLet's not get paranoid or self-important.
Forumites who expect their identities to be kept confidential are neither paranoid or self-important, but are merely pointing out that The Fora claims to be an anonymous forum and as such there is an expectation of privacy.
Yes.
Ok, but similar to copyright, shouldn't anonymity at some point after death go by the wayside, at least when/ if scholars come to look at fora such as these?