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#21
The State of Higher Ed / Re: Protests and police on cam...
Last post by spork - April 22, 2024, 11:07:37 AMI was being, as my immigrant Arab Muslim wife would put it, facetious.
There haven't been protests against wars in Ethiopia, Sudan, or Ukraine. Gaza is a cause célèbre.
There haven't been protests against wars in Ethiopia, Sudan, or Ukraine. Gaza is a cause célèbre.
#22
General Discussion / Re: The Venting Thread
Last post by aside - April 22, 2024, 10:51:18 AMAnother upgrade, more stuff I need that no longer works...
#23
The State of Higher Ed / Re: Protests and police on cam...
Last post by apl68 - April 22, 2024, 10:47:10 AMQuote from: spork on April 22, 2024, 10:42:04 AMWhy are the students protesting against the war in Gaza so special?
Because the Israelis are "settler colonialists," evidently.
#24
The State of Higher Ed / Re: Protests and police on cam...
Last post by apl68 - April 22, 2024, 10:45:31 AMWell, closing the campus down and trying to go remote as during the pandemic is one way of trying to de-escalate things, I guess.
Regarding Marsh's position on disruptive protests--protests have to create some level of disruption to get attention, and so that's protected speech up to a point. But the more disruptive things get, the more the protestors themselves come to infringe upon others' liberties. If they go very far with it, or persist for very long, what they're doing can become very counterproductive. To name one recent example, many thousands of people got detained for hours while trying to go about their day-to-day business when protests shut down the Golden Gate bridge just last week. Now there's talk of protestors being charged with "unlawful detention."
Regarding Marsh's position on disruptive protests--protests have to create some level of disruption to get attention, and so that's protected speech up to a point. But the more disruptive things get, the more the protestors themselves come to infringe upon others' liberties. If they go very far with it, or persist for very long, what they're doing can become very counterproductive. To name one recent example, many thousands of people got detained for hours while trying to go about their day-to-day business when protests shut down the Golden Gate bridge just last week. Now there's talk of protestors being charged with "unlawful detention."
#25
The State of Higher Ed / Re: Protests and police on cam...
Last post by spork - April 22, 2024, 10:42:04 AMDidn't hear anything about police arresting the Ivy League students who were protesting against the Tigray war in 2020-2022, which killed a half million. Or the students who have been protesting against the civil war in Sudan, which has killed ~ 20,000 and displaced ~ 8 million. Or the students who have been protesting Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which has killed about a half million so far, and has involved the rape and torture of civilians, as well as the deportation of Ukrainian children to Russian hinterlands.
Why are the students protesting against the war in Gaza so special?
Why are the students protesting against the war in Gaza so special?
#26
The State of Higher Ed / Re: Protests and police on cam...
Last post by dismalist - April 22, 2024, 09:18:56 AMQuote from: Langue_doc on April 22, 2024, 08:09:58 AMQuoteColumbia University to Hold Classes Remotely After Weekend Protests
The campus has been shaken by pro-Palestinian demonstrations that have left some Jewish students fearing for their safety.QuoteFaculty Group at Columbia Says It Has 'Lost Confidence' in the President
The campus chapter of a faculty organization said it would "fight to reclaim our university." Students were undeterred by the crackdown on their protest.
Just like old times at Columbia in '68.
#27
The State of Higher Ed / Re: Protests and police on cam...
Last post by Parasaurolophus - April 22, 2024, 09:03:56 AMQuote from: marshwiggle on April 22, 2024, 07:57:41 AMAny action that prevents normal, necessary activity from continuing until the protesters leave is extortion, and needs to be treated as such.
This basically amounts to not supporting protest (or strike) at all. If the only acceptable protest (or strike) is an invisible one that causes no disruption whatsoever, then it's not much of a protest (or strike) at all.
That's okay--it's a position that's available in ideological space. But we shouldn't pretend that that's not what it is, or that it's somehow a 'moderate' position. It involves significant curtailment of the rights to free speech and assembly, and in ways clearly unsupported by the judicial record in most democracies.
#28
Research & Scholarship / Re: April Research Thread
Last post by Parasaurolophus - April 22, 2024, 08:58:32 AMInputting grades, then... just streamlining T1, and maybe making more headway on that referee report.
#29
Research & Scholarship / Re: April Research Thread
Last post by Parasaurolophus - April 22, 2024, 08:58:08 AMQuote from: Parasaurolophus on April 21, 2024, 08:57:19 AMOnly grading today. Ugh.
All done save for stragglers and inputting.
#30
The State of Higher Ed / Re: Protests and police on cam...
Last post by Langue_doc - April 22, 2024, 08:09:58 AMQuoteColumbia University to Hold Classes Remotely After Weekend Protests
The campus has been shaken by pro-Palestinian demonstrations that have left some Jewish students fearing for their safety.
QuoteFaculty Group at Columbia Says It Has 'Lost Confidence' in the President
The campus chapter of a faculty organization said it would "fight to reclaim our university." Students were undeterred by the crackdown on their protest.