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And you thought it was fiction. https://www.newsweek.com/missouri-republicans-dress-code-women-blasted-so-many-questions-1773481

This raises an interesting question. Since a lot of standards for "professional dress" were from a time when all of the professionals were men, how should dress expectations for men change to be appropriate now?

What if a man wants to wear a kilt, in honor of his Scots-Irish heritage?

The chamber's dress codes for men and women are identical:

"The dress code for women lawmakers now states that "proper attire for women shall be business attire, including jackets worn with dresses, skirts, or slacks, and dress shoes or boots."

"The current dress code for men states that "proper attire for gentlemen shall be business attire, including coat, tie, dress trousers, and dress shoes or boots."

There is no problem, except perhaps having a dress code at all. I suppose some think no rules are better than gender neutral rules.

Much ado about nothing.

Quote from: dismalist on January 13, 2023, 11:34:58 AM
The chamber's dress codes for men and women are identical:

"The dress code for women lawmakers now states that "proper attire for women shall be business attire, including jackets worn with dresses, skirts, or slacks, and dress shoes or boots."

"The current dress code for men states that "proper attire for gentlemen shall be business attire, including coat, tie, dress trousers, and dress shoes or boots."

There is no problem, except perhaps having a dress code at all. I suppose some think no rules are better than gender neutral rules.

Much ado about nothing.

That's not what 'identical' means. Perhaps you mean 'comparable' or 'equivalent'.

Quote from: Parasaurolophus on January 13, 2023, 12:51:57 PM

Quote from: dismalist on January 13, 2023, 11:34:58 AM
The chamber's dress codes for men and women are identical:

"The dress code for women lawmakers now states that "proper attire for women shall be business attire, including jackets worn with dresses, skirts, or slacks, and dress shoes or boots."

"The current dress code for men states that "proper attire for gentlemen shall be business attire, including coat, tie, dress trousers, and dress shoes or boots."

There is no problem, except perhaps having a dress code at all. I suppose some think no rules are better than gender neutral rules.

Much ado about nothing.

That's not what 'identical' means. Perhaps you mean 'comparable' or 'equivalent'.

Yes, "identical" slipped in for intent. "Comparable" or "equivalent" are better.

Quote from: dismalist on January 13, 2023, 01:23:50 PM

Quote from: Parasaurolophus on January 13, 2023, 12:51:57 PM

Quote from: dismalist on January 13, 2023, 11:34:58 AM
The chamber's dress codes for men and women are identical:

"The dress code for women lawmakers now states that "proper attire for women shall be business attire, including jackets worn with dresses, skirts, or slacks, and dress shoes or boots."

"The current dress code for men states that "proper attire for gentlemen shall be business attire, including coat, tie, dress trousers, and dress shoes or boots."

There is no problem, except perhaps having a dress code at all. I suppose some think no rules are better than gender neutral rules.

Much ado about nothing.

That's not what 'identical' means. Perhaps you mean 'comparable' or 'equivalent'.

Yes, "identical" slipped in for intent. "Comparable" or "equivalent" are better.

Glad that, once again, that Republicans have their priorities straight.

Men decree that women should dress like men.  Weird.

The history of men's professional and/or formal clothing choices have always been much more limited than women's. I remember reading a mystery where an important point in the plot was that at a black tie dinner, the male guests and the male waiters were essentially indistinguishable. There's no way that the female staff at a fancy dinner would be dressed like the female guests. This difference in expectation historically makes it challenging to consider dress codes for women in the workplace; a man's suit is a slightly less formal version of fancy dress. With the range of what women can wear as "fancy dress", what corresponds to the "slightly less formal version" for work?

There is a long history of courts of law requiring neckties for attorneys.  I have heard stories of defendants being made to wear them.  We could make everything easier and simple if we just had everyone wear black robes and powdered wigs. 

There is a huge difference between laws, rules, and customs.  What is the historical evolution of these dress codes?  I'm curious about when dress codes were introduced into the Missouri legislative code and how these directives might have changed.  Is or was there a problem being addressed?  Granted, a female legislator casting a vote in her bikini might prove distracting to certain male colleagues, but then again, whose problem would that be, really?  Maybe the men of Missouri lack proper impulse control.  Who knew? 

Shawls and cardigans are not acceptable.  Has to be a structured blazer or jacket.  Are jock straps next?

Quote from: Antiphon1 on January 14, 2023, 10:09:28 PM
There is a huge difference between laws, rules, and customs.  What is the historical evolution of these dress codes?  I'm curious about when dress codes were introduced into the Missouri legislative code and how these directives might have changed.  Is or was there a problem being addressed?  Granted, a female legislator casting a vote in her bikini might prove distracting to certain male colleagues, but then again, whose problem would that be, really?  Maybe the men of Missouri lack proper impulse control.  Who knew?

Do you really want to see the male legislators in Speedos?

Quote from: marshwiggle on January 15, 2023, 06:03:17 AM

Quote from: Antiphon1 on January 14, 2023, 10:09:28 PM
There is a huge difference between laws, rules, and customs.  What is the historical evolution of these dress codes?  I'm curious about when dress codes were introduced into the Missouri legislative code and how these directives might have changed.  Is or was there a problem being addressed?  Granted, a female legislator casting a vote in her bikini might prove distracting to certain male colleagues, but then again, whose problem would that be, really?  Maybe the men of Missouri lack proper impulse control.  Who knew?

Do you really want to see the male legislators in Speedos?

Depends who you ask.

Quote from: marshwiggle on January 15, 2023, 06:03:17 AM

Quote from: Antiphon1 on January 14, 2023, 10:09:28 PM
There is a huge difference between laws, rules, and customs.  What is the historical evolution of these dress codes?  I'm curious about when dress codes were introduced into the Missouri legislative code and how these directives might have changed.  Is or was there a problem being addressed?  Granted, a female legislator casting a vote in her bikini might prove distracting to certain male colleagues, but then again, whose problem would that be, really?  Maybe the men of Missouri lack proper impulse control.  Who knew?

Do you really want to see the male legislators in Speedos?

Sure.  Why not?  Parts is parts.