News:

Welcome to the new (and now only) Fora!

Main Menu

Cancelling Dr. Seuss

Started by apl68, March 12, 2021, 09:36:21 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

jimbogumbo

Quote from: dismalist on February 03, 2023, 03:25:07 PM
"Non-disparagement" clauses can be put into employment contracts. And it cannot be otherwise. You don't like your employer, work someplace else.

That's the least cost solution. The disparager hurts many people's incomes. The disparagee is only one person's income.

Here are some legal explanations https://www.contractscounsel.com/g/44/us/non-disparagement-clause

Looks like the university was nice not to terminate the disparager, but I don't really know that.

You seriously think calling the place a dumpster fire is grounds for being fired?

dismalist

Quote from: jimbogumbo on February 04, 2023, 01:07:44 PM
Quote from: dismalist on February 03, 2023, 03:25:07 PM
"Non-disparagement" clauses can be put into employment contracts. And it cannot be otherwise. You don't like your employer, work someplace else.

That's the least cost solution. The disparager hurts many people's incomes. The disparagee is only one person's income.

Here are some legal explanations https://www.contractscounsel.com/g/44/us/non-disparagement-clause

Looks like the university was nice not to terminate the disparager, but I don't really know that.

You seriously think calling the place a dumpster fire is grounds for being fired?

Don't ask me. Ask a lawyer.
That's not even wrong!
--Wolfgang Pauli

jimbogumbo

If you all recall EWU is one of the places that cried financial issues while cutting faculty and combining departments, even while spending large amounts to maintain a football program that brings in little to no revenue. History was one of the departments that was combined with two others.

Wahoo Redux

FIRE: LAWSUIT: Professor suspended for redacted slurs in law school exam sues University of Illinois Chicago

Quote
However, in November, under pressure from UIC's Black Law Students Association and Jesse Jackson, UIC reneged on its agreement with Kilborn and is now requiring him to participate in months-long "training on classroom conversations that address racism" and compelling him to write reflection papers before he can return to the classroom. In a stunning display of unintended irony, the individualized training materials include the same redacted slur that Kilborn used in his test question (see page 5 for the redacted slur). 

You can't make this stuff up.
Come, fill the Cup, and in the fire of Spring
Your Winter-garment of Repentance fling:
The Bird of Time has but a little way
To flutter--and the Bird is on the Wing.

marshwiggle

Quote from: Wahoo Redux on February 05, 2023, 03:13:12 PM
FIRE: LAWSUIT: Professor suspended for redacted slurs in law school exam sues University of Illinois Chicago

Quote
However, in November, under pressure from UIC's Black Law Students Association and Jesse Jackson, UIC reneged on its agreement with Kilborn and is now requiring him to participate in months-long "training on classroom conversations that address racism" and compelling him to write reflection papers before he can return to the classroom. In a stunning display of unintended irony, the individualized training materials include the same redacted slur that Kilborn used in his test question (see page 5 for the redacted slur). 

You can't make this stuff up.

The fact that a law school didn't see how this was going to bite them is hilarious.
It takes so little to be above average.

Langue_doc

This isn't the first time law students have been overly sensitive to words used in legal contexts:
QuoteDebate Erupts at N.J. Law School After White Student Quotes Racial Slur
A Rutgers Law student repeated an epithet from a legal case, and now Black students at the New Jersey school are calling for a policy on slurs — and apologies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/03/nyregion/Rutgers-law-school-n-word.html

marshwiggle

National Arts Centre's 1st 'Black Out' night sparks debate — and backlash

Quote
The website for the Canadian Stage theatre in Toronto states its May 2022 hosting of Is God Is was "an evening exclusive to the Afro/Black community," while the Black Out website says the New York theatre that kicked off the trend three years earlier had all 804 of its seats occupied by "Black-identifying" theatre-goers.

A Jan. 16 release about the NAC's "Black Out" night before the text was changed. (National Arts Centre website/Twitter)

A news release last month from the NAC initially used similar language, stating the Feb. 17 performance would welcome "an all-Black identifying audience." Ticketmaster's website said the night was "exclusively" for Black audience members.

Note:The National Arts Centre is a federal Crown corporation with a mandate under the National Arts Centre Act to develop the performing arts in the National Capital Region and to assist the Canada Council for the Arts in developing the performing arts elsewhere in Canada.

It takes so little to be above average.

Wahoo Redux

Quote from: Langue_doc on February 06, 2023, 06:31:15 AM
This isn't the first time law students have been overly sensitive to words used in legal contexts:
QuoteDebate Erupts at N.J. Law School After White Student Quotes Racial Slur
A Rutgers Law student repeated an epithet from a legal case, and now Black students at the New Jersey school are calling for a policy on slurs — and apologies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/03/nyregion/Rutgers-law-school-n-word.html

How can people who are this delicate become lawyers?
Come, fill the Cup, and in the fire of Spring
Your Winter-garment of Repentance fling:
The Bird of Time has but a little way
To flutter--and the Bird is on the Wing.

ohnoes

Quote from: jimbogumbo on February 04, 2023, 01:07:44 PM
You seriously think calling the place a dumpster fire is grounds for being fired?

That's not fair.  It was a floating dumpster fire.

Wahoo Redux

Quote from: marshwiggle on February 06, 2023, 10:29:09 AM
National Arts Centre's 1st 'Black Out' night sparks debate — and backlash

Quote
The website for the Canadian Stage theatre in Toronto states its May 2022 hosting of Is God Is was "an evening exclusive to the Afro/Black community," while the Black Out website says the New York theatre that kicked off the trend three years earlier had all 804 of its seats occupied by "Black-identifying" theatre-goers.

A Jan. 16 release about the NAC's "Black Out" night before the text was changed. (National Arts Centre website/Twitter)

A news release last month from the NAC initially used similar language, stating the Feb. 17 performance would welcome "an all-Black identifying audience." Ticketmaster's website said the night was "exclusively" for Black audience members.

Note:The National Arts Centre is a federal Crown corporation with a mandate under the National Arts Centre Act to develop the performing arts in the National Capital Region and to assist the Canada Council for the Arts in developing the performing arts elsewhere in Canada.

This is one of those conundrums which will not generate much conversation here but does over on Reddit. 

It is also a conundrum which changes based upon one's orientation.

Nothing good will come from this attempt, and that's too bad because I bet the play itself is great.
Come, fill the Cup, and in the fire of Spring
Your Winter-garment of Repentance fling:
The Bird of Time has but a little way
To flutter--and the Bird is on the Wing.

marshwiggle

Quote from: Wahoo Redux on February 07, 2023, 02:28:45 PM
Quote from: marshwiggle on February 06, 2023, 10:29:09 AM
National Arts Centre's 1st 'Black Out' night sparks debate — and backlash

Quote
The website for the Canadian Stage theatre in Toronto states its May 2022 hosting of Is God Is was "an evening exclusive to the Afro/Black community," while the Black Out website says the New York theatre that kicked off the trend three years earlier had all 804 of its seats occupied by "Black-identifying" theatre-goers.

A Jan. 16 release about the NAC's "Black Out" night before the text was changed. (National Arts Centre website/Twitter)

A news release last month from the NAC initially used similar language, stating the Feb. 17 performance would welcome "an all-Black identifying audience." Ticketmaster's website said the night was "exclusively" for Black audience members.

Note:The National Arts Centre is a federal Crown corporation with a mandate under the National Arts Centre Act to develop the performing arts in the National Capital Region and to assist the Canada Council for the Arts in developing the performing arts elsewhere in Canada.

This is one of those conundrums which will not generate much conversation here but does over on Reddit. 

It is also a conundrum which changes based upon one's orientation.

Nothing good will come from this attempt, and that's too bad because I bet the play itself is great.

The idea that "having THOSE people here will lessen the experience for US" has a very bad history, which should be blindingly obvious. Maybe they should "let" those people come, but have them use separate washrooms, drinking fountains, etc. We'll see how that turns out.....


Quote
The Feb. 17 "Black Out" performance borrows its name from a recent movement to create spaces where Black audience members can — as the movement's website states — experience Black culture "free from the white gaze."

As the preschooler would say, " HE'S LOOKING AT ME!"

It takes so little to be above average.

Wahoo Redux

Well, in all fairness, "the gaze" is a specific philosophy having to do most often with authorship and presentation, so it is not just looking at someone but stereotyping them and placing them in a position where they must see themselves from the perspective of their judges' "gaze."
Come, fill the Cup, and in the fire of Spring
Your Winter-garment of Repentance fling:
The Bird of Time has but a little way
To flutter--and the Bird is on the Wing.

marshwiggle

Quote from: Wahoo Redux on February 08, 2023, 06:11:52 AM
Well, in all fairness, "the gaze" is a specific philosophy having to do most often with authorship and presentation, so it is not just looking at someone but stereotyping them and placing them in a position where they must see themselves from the perspective of their judges' "gaze."

Two problems with this:

First of all, the creators of the performance, and the performers themselves, are non-white. So it's not clear how in any way white audience members would be "judges" of anything.

Second, and much bigger, is that by doing all of this segregation, regardless of the justification, it implicitly supports the idea that segregation is, in principle, a legitimate thing to do. (Basically, the bigots are right about the idea, just wrong about the reason. Not a good road to go down.)


It takes so little to be above average.

ciao_yall

Quote from: Wahoo Redux on February 08, 2023, 06:11:52 AM
Well, in all fairness, "the gaze" is a specific philosophy having to do most often with authorship and presentation, so it is not just looking at someone but stereotyping them and placing them in a position where they must see themselves from the perspective of their judges' "gaze."

Is it that the performers want their audiences to be free of White audience members asking dumb questions after? "So... random stranger. You are Black, I see. Did you understand the play?"

That said, last night I dreamed I was watching a performance of Peter Pan in which all the characters were Black and/or Bi-racial. Not sure why.

apl68

Quote from: ohnoes on February 07, 2023, 01:44:00 PM
Quote from: jimbogumbo on February 04, 2023, 01:07:44 PM
You seriously think calling the place a dumpster fire is grounds for being fired?

That's not fair.  It was a floating dumpster fire.

Like the Cuyahoga River?
All we like sheep have gone astray
We have each turned to his own way
And the Lord has laid upon him the guilt of us all