Rick Santorum Let Go by CNN

[mahagonny]

Continuing in the freedom of speech vein...

Funny, you can say The United States of America was born and created out of the need for certain Caucasians from Great Britain, etc. to have the country they wanted, as long as you say that's something that needs fixing. If you say that's a wonderful thing, as Santorum does, you're out of bounds. The basic facts are not the least bit in dispute, although the media, Don Lemon, et al, are pretending they are. Nobody maintains that even half of this nation's culture reflects its 'native' American roots.

https://www.newsweek.com/what-did-rick-santorum-say-about-native-americans-transcript-full-speech-1586628

[Parasaurolophus]

Santorum is a dark stain on America's smartypants. A total moron.


I'm surprised you forgot to include this instalment in the annals of "cancel culture"/"freedom of speech": a tenured job offer to a journalist was rescinded after political interference. They didn't like her involvement int he 1619 project, so she had to be cancelled.

[mahagonny]

Santorum is a dark stain on America's smartypants. A total moron.


I'm surprised you forgot to include this instalment in the annals of "cancel culture"/"freedom of speech": a tenured job offer to a journalist was rescinded after political interference. They didn't like her involvement int he 1619 project, so she had to be cancelled.

I'm not well acquainted with the procedures by which tenure is awarded, so I can't say whether she was treated according to the usual conventions. But as far as I'm concerned it would be a very good thing for the future of the United States if she were out of business. Which she isn't, incidentally. Just didn't get tenure. Boo hoo.

And I don't expect Santorum's out of business either. This 'defeat' may consolidate him with his base. CNN having so little...well, media bias fact check rates them 'mixed' for factual accuracy and way left for bias. Which seems about right to me.

[Hegemony]

I thought conservatives were in favor of at-will employment, in other words of employers being able to fire people for any reason including political views or mere whim? Isn't it anti-business to maintain that it's unfair for an employer to fire someone? Where will it end — rules and regulations on businesses that will put an end to freedom and capitalism? I hope you're not anti-capitalism. Because that's what it sounds like when you say employers are behaving unfairly in firing whoever they want to get rid of.

[nebo113]

And the AP reporter who got fired 'cuz Stanford rightwingers ganged up on her views on Palestine.  A Jew who questions Israeli actions vis a vis Palestine.  Quel horror!

[mahagonny]

I thought conservatives were in favor of at-will employment, in other words of employers being able to fire people for any reason including political views or mere whim? Isn't it anti-business to maintain that it's unfair for an employer to fire someone? Where will it end — rules and regulations on businesses that will put an end to freedom and capitalism? I hope you're not anti-capitalism. Because that's what it sounds like when you say employers are behaving unfairly in firing whoever they want to get rid of.

I didn't say it was unfair for CNN to fire Rick Santorum. I was surprised they wanted anything to do with him in the first place. What I notice is Don Lemon and others say he is disrespecting the 'native' American heritage by saying their culture has not had a major influence on mainstream American culture of today; they have been basically assimilated. Which liberals agree with, but complain about. We are at such a stage of polarization that you can now start a fight by getting two people in the same room together who hate each other, and asking each one whether the sky is blue. They agree, and the fight begins, because it was inappropriate for someone to say it because of who he is.
The fighting worries me. Not that I don't have any combative steak.
As for Santorum and his views on homosexuality, I haven't followed him recently. He did the same public relations suicide that Anita Bryant had done years before. As far as I'm concerned one may belong to a religion that requires periods of celibacy, forbids eating meat, forbids homosexuality (or used to). We may think these things are strange, but it's freedom of religion. His overreach was trying to insert his religion into government policy. Which is pretty much what Hannah-Jones, Kendi, D'Angelo and Joe Biden are doing with 'antiracism.' 
ETA: something more to stir the soup (haven't read it yet)....https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/what-is-at-stake-with-nikole-hannah-jones-being-denied-tenure/ar-AAKi0W6

[Sun_Worshiper]

Here's another good one that Mahagonny will surely want to make a thread about!

AP fires staffer who tweeted in support of Palestine, after conservative groups* call for her cancellation. Here is the link for OP, who clearly cares deeply about this issue and will therefore want to acquaint himself on rampant conservative cancel culture: https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2021/05/20/emily-wilder-associated-press-palestine/

* The effort was led by Stanford's College Republicans, and the cause was picked up by the Federalist, Washington Free Beacon and Fox News.

[mahagonny]

Here's another good one that Mahagonny will surely want to make a thread about!

AP fires staffer who tweeted in support of Palestine, after conservative groups* call for her cancellation. Here is the link for OP, who clearly cares deeply about this issue and will therefore want to acquaint himself on rampant conservative cancel culture: https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2021/05/20/emily-wilder-associated-press-palestine/

* The effort was led by Stanford's College Republicans, and the cause was picked up by the Federalist, Washington Free Beacon and Fox News.

Well, if it's not too much trouble...SunWorshiper, since you're on the thread, in your own words, state what's wrong with saying there's not much 'native American' influence in the culture of the nation known as the USA. I'm honestly curious. See if you can answer without some version of 'Rick Santorum is a jerk' or other tripe.

[Parasaurolophus]

To the extent that the claim is true, it's true because of actual genocide combined with policies of cultural genocide.

[Sun_Worshiper]

Here's another good one that Mahagonny will surely want to make a thread about!

AP fires staffer who tweeted in support of Palestine, after conservative groups* call for her cancellation. Here is the link for OP, who clearly cares deeply about this issue and will therefore want to acquaint himself on rampant conservative cancel culture: https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2021/05/20/emily-wilder-associated-press-palestine/

* The effort was led by Stanford's College Republicans, and the cause was picked up by the Federalist, Washington Free Beacon and Fox News.

Well, if it's not too much trouble...SunWorshiper, since you're on the thread, in your own words, state what's wrong with saying there's not much 'native American' influence in the culture of the nation known as the USA. I'm honestly curious. See if you can answer without some version of 'Rick Santorum is a jerk' or other tripe.

I'm here to alert you to rampant conservative cancel culture, which you seem to constantly overlook, not to tell CNN how to staff their crappy news shows.

[onthefringe]

To the extent that the claim is true, it's true because of actual genocide combined with policies of cultural genocide.

And to the extent that he acknowledged even the possibility of Native American culture it was as an afterthought to the statement "we birthed a nation from nothing. I mean, there was nothing here." His statements are intended to frame the founding of the US as something we can consider to be blameless, venerating the creation of the US while ignoring the genocide that happened along the way.

[mahagonny]

To the extent that the claim is true, it's true because of actual genocide combined with policies of cultural genocide.

Well, to tell a more complete story, diseases too, and the fact that people who form a nation with a central government, named colonies or states, a constitution will naturally be more influential going forward.

Was a central government with laws against human sacrifice, perhaps in some small way, a human rights advancement? If so, are the colonizers of North America, even though white, worthy of any credit?

To the extent that the claim is true, it's true because of actual genocide combined with policies of cultural genocide.

And to the extent that he acknowledged even the possibility of Native American culture it was as an afterthought to the statement "we birthed a nation from nothing. I mean, there was nothing here." His statements are intended to frame the founding of the US as something we can consider to be blameless, venerating the creation of the US while ignoring the genocide that happened along the way.

That was unnecessary. He could have provoked liberals just by saying 'this is a great country.'

I'm here to alert you to rampant conservative cancel culture, which you seem to constantly overlook, not to tell CNN how to staff their crappy news shows.

They had to have picked Santorum figuring they could make mincemeat out of him, didn't they?
Santorum was their straw man pick.

ETA: White guilt is a big part the currency of the democratic party. Their stock has been rising.

[mamselle]

The online church I'm currently attending, and two sessions in a recent online conference, as well as a local library, are now including statements of gratitude for the use and earlier stewardship of unceeded or insufficiently remunerated lands; the acknowledgement of injustices done in their colonial-era acquisitions; and the pledge to learn from, grow, and redress those issues now and in the future.

The first time I heard it, it took my breath away, for its significance and appropriateness as at least a start in balancing the issue.

I've also folded it into my own last two presentations.

I think that's a much more holistic alternative approach.

M.

[mahagonny]

I don't know it takes my breath a way, but it's a more fitting tribute than the decadence of gambling casinos.

[Parasaurolophus]

To the extent that the claim is true, it's true because of actual genocide combined with policies of cultural genocide.

Well, to tell a more complete story, diseases too, and the fact that people who form a nation with a central government, named colonies or states, a constitution will naturally be more influential going forward.

Was a central government with laws against human sacrifice, perhaps in some small way, a human rights advancement? If so, are the colonizers of North America, even though white, worthy of any credit?

The Haudenosaunee Confederacy had a centralized government, did not practice human sacrifice, and their federalist system (along with that of some other Indigenous nations) was a direct inspiration for American federalism and the constitution. I'd say that's a pretty lasting cultural influence, all things considered.

Also, I should point out that the Christian death cult is predicated on human sacrifice. To the point that you drink actual human blood and eat actual human flesh on Sundays (although I'll grant you that Protestantism did away with that particular element). And I suppose I should add that, actually, a society built around human slavery has hardly done away with human sacrifice.