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Title: NYT: Harvard Plagiarism Really Attack on DEI
Post by: Wahoo Redux on March 28, 2024, 07:51:03 AM
NY Times Opinion: Plagiarism Charges at Harvard Are Really About Rolling Back D.E.I. (https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/03/26/opinion/thepoint#harvard-plagiarism-dei-race)

What it says.
Title: Re: NYT: Harvard Plagiarism Really Attack on DEI
Post by: financeguy on March 28, 2024, 09:11:21 AM
Two things can be true at the same time. If it is the case the plagiarism has occurred but only uncovered due to an outside actor with a different agenda, what do you propose? Let it slide due to the method of discovery?
Title: Re: NYT: Harvard Plagiarism Really Attack on DEI
Post by: apl68 on March 28, 2024, 09:27:34 AM
Quote from: financeguy on March 28, 2024, 09:11:21 AMTwo things can be true at the same time. If it is the case the plagiarism has occurred but only uncovered due to an outside actor with a different agenda, what do you propose? Let it slide due to the method of discovery?

Something almost nobody seems to want to remember anymore is that an unwelcome message from an unwelcome messenger can still be a valid message.  Although honestly, I don't know how many people ever really got that in the first place.  It's sad that this understanding seems to have become such an uncommon attitude within academia.  I thought that bearing things like that in mind was supposed to be one of the things that a good liberal (in the older, nonpartisan sense) education could teach us.  It's one of the most valuable lessons I recall learning from my student years.  It reinforced some things my parents had been trying to teach me.
Title: Re: NYT: Harvard Plagiarism Really Attack on DEI
Post by: marshwiggle on March 28, 2024, 09:35:49 AM
Quote from: financeguy on March 28, 2024, 09:11:21 AMTwo things can be true at the same time. If it is the case the plagiarism has occurred but only uncovered due to an outside actor with a different agenda, what do you propose? Let it slide due to the method of discovery?

It's like a child custody case, where one parent accuses the other of child abuse. There's a clear self-interested motivation for the accuser, but if it turns out to be true, then it absolutely needs to be addressed.
Title: Re: NYT: Harvard Plagiarism Really Attack on DEI
Post by: Sun_Worshiper on March 28, 2024, 02:21:16 PM
Quote from: financeguy on March 28, 2024, 09:11:21 AMTwo things can be true at the same time. If it is the case the plagiarism has occurred but only uncovered due to an outside actor with a different agenda, what do you propose? Let it slide due to the method of discovery?

This is the bottom line.

Yes, there are bad faith actors at the root of this, but the plagiarism is a problem that merits some degree of sanctioning nevertheless.