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Started by sambaprof, February 26, 2023, 05:57:38 PM
Quote from: sambaprof on February 28, 2023, 07:16:46 AMI had a chat with the student in person this morning. He says that he has recently involved in the Facebook group from middle east. He said in this activity, he spends only few hours of research, where he gives little output and the goal is to publish with a large set of authors. He told that since he joined only recently that group he has not published yet through that group yet.
Quote from: Ruralguy on February 28, 2023, 10:03:28 AMThere are many very bright students who are lab klutzes, or don't know norms, etc. There are also great lab students who can't do algebra or write if their life depended on it. I don't have grad students, but I assume that the basic principle holds: you have to work with what you get. Of course, there are standards, and if at some point you feel like you have to boot someone, then do so. However, I think pulling funding in a couple of months based on what they can publish right now is perhaps bit too strict of a standard. However, at some point, maybe you would have to do that.
Quote from: Ruralguy on February 27, 2023, 09:36:04 AMOne of the most important aspects of graduate school is teaching the norms of the field as well as of academia in general (and also, to an extent, jobs outside of academia).
Quote from: sambaprof on March 01, 2023, 09:09:20 AMI was talking to another colleague in our Department about this situation with this student. During the conversation that colleague told me that this particular student sent an email to another Professor in our Department six months earlier requesting that he would like to change the advisor and if he can take that particular student as his advisor. But the other Professor rejected it telling that it would not look good and that he cannot take this particular student as the advisor. it looks like that other Professor told about this to the Colleague in the Department I was talking to today.
Quote from: MarathonRunner on March 08, 2023, 12:12:29 PMThere are so many unspoken norms in academia that we first gens often make mistakes or faux pas, because no one has told us otherwise!
Quote from: jerseyjay on March 08, 2023, 04:12:20 PMQuote from: MarathonRunner on March 08, 2023, 12:12:29 PMThere are so many unspoken norms in academia that we first gens often make mistakes or faux pas, because no one has told us otherwise!I am not a first-generation university student; both my parents have graduate degrees (although neither is an academic). Nonetheless I think there are many things about graduate school that are not obvious to those for whom it is a new experience. For example, in history, we were supposed to read a monograph a week for each class; it took a while for me to figure out that "reading" a monograph for graduate school was different than "reading" a book in real life. Also, that our seminar papers should be part of the dissertation. Or that our coursework should be geared towards the reading list for the comps. This all appears obvious to me now, but took some hard work (and luck) to figure out. Thus I agree with MarathonRunner that these things should be explained. Again, part of an advisor's job is to socialize one's students into the norms of academia and one's specialization.