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Started by gadfly50, October 03, 2023, 01:27:29 PM
Quote from: spork on October 04, 2023, 06:18:34 AMIrregardless, as my wife and I like to say, the model you describe is "pay per head" piecework, which I fully support. Let market demand decide compensation. If you (the general you) can't earn what you think you deserve, you are welcome to find another job.
QuoteYikes. So if a faculty is to earn, say, $60,000 that means each student in a class is worth $100. Do you get paid extra if you end up teaching 610 credit hours because of high enrollment? That can be some bitter fights among faculty over who gets the extra $1,000. Do they get it paid that semester or can they apply it toward future semesters?What if someone ends up with only 598 credit hours? Do they owe the college $200?
QuoteThis approach sounds a lot better. Use a minimum enrolment number for each class so that you only get credit for teaching it if the course is popular enough. That helps eliminate courses for which there is no longer demand, which is the management goal.
QuoteThe proposed model makes it far to easy to game the system in ways that don't meet the management goal. If the number is based on initial enrolment in a course, you could serve cake on the first day and discuss the syllabus on the second leading to most dropping. Students would be happy to participate in that ruse. If the number is based on completions, then grade inflation will go way up, now at the instructors initiative. Overfill classrooms (or have virtual overflow sessions) to get high numbers but don't worry about learning. Departments will have vicious battles over distribution requirements since any courses taken outside the major is a loss to the department.
Quote from: gadfly50 on October 03, 2023, 09:27:55 PMQuoteThis... sounds like a total scheduling nightmare. It also sounds like a policy that will be used to cut back otherwise full-time positions without actually having to officially cut them.Yes I have no idea how they are proposing the scheduling. You won't know how many students you have till close to start of semester when registration is confirmed. So what if you don't have enough? Add one, two, three more classes with one week's notice to prep them? Or agree to teach six as a kind of insurance, then pull out when you know you don't need them, leaving the need to find adjuncts with a week's notice? And what if there are simply not enough students for you to teach even if you wanted to? All of these questions are why I am hoping to find an institution that does this to see how it works (or doesn't!)
QuoteThis... sounds like a total scheduling nightmare. It also sounds like a policy that will be used to cut back otherwise full-time positions without actually having to officially cut them.
QuoteI honestly wouldn't even bother treating this as a serious idea. If your institution lacks either a faculty governance structure or competent adults in charge, it could actually be implemented, but it would just be a recipe for institutional collapse. Calculating faculty teaching loads in this way doesn't fit with the way higher education is structured for all of the obvious reasons involving majors and requirements. If the concern was that some faculty weren't teaching enough students, there are all kinds of ways you could try to address that (for example require departments with lower enrollments to teach more gen-ed classes, or raise the number of classes required to 5 but count classes with enrollments over a certain number as two classes) These things might be a bad idea but at least they would be workable in some sense, unlike this idea.