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Title: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: nebo113 on December 03, 2020, 03:09:40 PM
He did so well after 9/11.  What happened?
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: Langue_doc on December 03, 2020, 03:18:24 PM
Combination of arrogance, ignorance, and senility?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/19/rudy-giuliani-dye-my-cousin-vinny-press-conference
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: Parasaurolophus on December 03, 2020, 03:19:16 PM
Buzzfeed: Rudy Giuliani Was Always This Bad (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/clydehaberman/rudy-giuliani-was-always-this-bad)
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: lightning on December 03, 2020, 03:44:19 PM
Every man has a price where they will sell out. For Mayor Rudy, the price seems to be $20,000/day. Of course, he's an even bigger idiot, if he thinks that Trump will actually pay him.
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: nebo113 on December 04, 2020, 05:39:31 AM
Quote from: Parasaurolophus on December 03, 2020, 03:19:16 PM
Buzzfeed: Rudy Giuliani Was Always This Bad (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/clydehaberman/rudy-giuliani-was-always-this-bad)

At least back in the day, he wasn't publicly crazy.
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: histchick on December 04, 2020, 07:49:53 AM
Quote from: nebo113 on December 04, 2020, 05:39:31 AM
Quote from: Parasaurolophus on December 03, 2020, 03:19:16 PM
Buzzfeed: Rudy Giuliani Was Always This Bad (https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/clydehaberman/rudy-giuliani-was-always-this-bad)

At least back in the day, he wasn't publicly crazy.
My husband and I have been talking about this for weeks.  For years, we liked and respected (though didn't always agree with) Giuliani.  He's certainly not well.
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: Sun_Worshiper on December 04, 2020, 08:12:55 AM
We have a tendency to assume that authoritarians in the US are crazy, as opposed to just being authoritarians who weaponize lies to maintain power when legitimate means fail. Trump is not that different from Putin, it is just that the US has better institutional guard rails, and Rudy is not that different from Putin's propagandist henchmen. 
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: dr_codex on December 04, 2020, 08:54:54 AM
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on December 04, 2020, 08:12:55 AM
We have a tendency to assume that authoritarians in the US are crazy, as opposed to just being authoritarians who weaponize lies to maintain power when legitimate means fail. Trump is not that different from Putin, it is just that the US has better institutional guard rails, and Rudy is not that different from Putin's propagandist henchmen.

It's not just an American idea. Plato thought that tyrants were crazy, too. Run a quick Alphabet search and you'll see how many pundits have already made the connection.
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: Sun_Worshiper on December 04, 2020, 02:25:12 PM
Quote from: dr_codex on December 04, 2020, 08:54:54 AM
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on December 04, 2020, 08:12:55 AM
We have a tendency to assume that authoritarians in the US are crazy, as opposed to just being authoritarians who weaponize lies to maintain power when legitimate means fail. Trump is not that different from Putin, it is just that the US has better institutional guard rails, and Rudy is not that different from Putin's propagandist henchmen.

It's not just an American idea. Plato thought that tyrants were crazy, too. Run a quick Alphabet search and you'll see how many pundits have already made the connection.

Fair enough, but when Americans look at authoritarians in foreign countries they see calculating thugs. When they look at those same sorts of figures in the US they see bumbling fools, and therefore fail to take authoritarian threats seriously.
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: AmLitHist on December 05, 2020, 07:33:03 AM
I saw the title and came here hoping for news he'd been hauled off in cuffs or a straitjacket.  Dang.
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: evil_physics_witchcraft on December 05, 2020, 08:41:31 PM
Quote from: AmLitHist on December 05, 2020, 07:33:03 AM
I saw the title and came here hoping for news he'd been hauled off in cuffs or a straitjacket.  Dang.

:D Hee hee.
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: nebo113 on December 07, 2020, 05:43:09 AM
And now he is hospitalized with Covid, and the AZ legislature shut down since he hung out with so many of them recently. 
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: Langue_doc on December 07, 2020, 07:36:56 AM
His personal life is like a soap opera. He was cavorting around with his mistress while still married to his second wife. The mistress and not the wife would accompany him to official events. I think (not sure about this) he got rid of wife #1 by realizing (gasp, the horror!) after 10 years of marriage that he was living in an incestuous marriage and had the marriage annulled, just because a divorce would have been expensive and he was in a hurry to marry his mistress who became wife #2. The above-mentioned mistress became wife #3, now divorced. Wife #1 ended up as president of one of the community colleges.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/third-time-was-not-the-charm-rudy-giulianis-latest-divorce-is-bitter-expensive-and-very-public/2019/10/14/2e028b8a-ec3c-11e9-85c0-85a098e47b37_story.html

He did make the city cleaner safer after the Dinkins era. Subway cars would be washed down first thing in the morning, and the streets and subways were much safer. However, the 9/11-related fame got to his head with dire results.
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: ciao_yall on December 07, 2020, 08:21:34 AM
The sequence of headlines seems to imply that he was admitted to the hospital and then tested positive for COVID-19.

So, was he ill enough, whether with COVID-19 symptoms or something else, to be admitted to the hospital where they discovered the COVID-19? He says he was taking hydroxychloroquine, which is not advised outside of hospital settings so perhaps it was a reaction to that?

Or did they test for COVID-19, then as a precautionary measure bring him in for super duper treatment such as with Trump?
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: nebo113 on December 08, 2020, 06:16:44 AM
Perhaps it was a psychological intervention and he was on a psych eval?
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: Langue_doc on December 08, 2020, 06:26:34 AM
The Arizona legislature wouldn't have shut down for a week for being exposed to someone exhibiting psych symptoms. It is interesting though that Trump was the one to announce the news of Guiliani testing positive.

If you scroll down the article, you can see the number of people exposed to COVID by coming into contact with an infected person in the White House.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/12/06/world/covid-19-coronavirus
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: Diogenes on December 08, 2020, 08:20:48 AM
Neurosyphilis.
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: mamselle on January 07, 2021, 06:11:30 AM
He also spoke yesterday.

M.
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: Sun_Worshiper on January 07, 2021, 07:32:57 AM
Treasonous

I haven't been for it until now, but these people need to be prosecuted (up to the top). If treason and sedition aren't serious enough for charges then I don't know where we draw the line.
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: Langue_doc on January 09, 2021, 05:24:18 PM
He's still considered to be alive and kicking. According to the news, Trump is considering him for his impeachment defense team. Two senile men--three if you include Dershowitz, the second lawyer on the defense team.
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: mahagonny on January 09, 2021, 05:35:33 PM
Reptile brain. An attorney may like the challenge of arguing a position that some see as untenable. And if he doesn't have fun or loses, he's still getting rich.
For some arguing may release hormones, dopamine or some such thing that is euphoric. Don't ask me how I know.
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: Parasaurolophus on January 11, 2021, 07:36:48 AM
Apparently, the NY Bar is moving to disbar him.
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: Langue_doc on January 12, 2021, 05:42:31 PM
Middlebury College is revoking his honorary degree because of his role in the riots.
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: mahagonny on January 14, 2021, 05:42:50 AM
Quote from: Langue_doc on January 12, 2021, 05:42:31 PM
Middlebury College is revoking his honorary degree because of his role in the riots.

It sounds terrible to say it out loud, but if only Trump supporters had assaulted the demonstrator at his rally several years ago after Trump asked them to, might we have been rid of Trump way back then?
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: mamselle on January 14, 2021, 05:50:54 AM
HuffPost and several others are reporting that Trump may not pay Giuliani's legal fees, since he didn't "deliver the goods.."

   https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-wont-pay-rudy-giuliani-election-legal-work_n_5fffa763c5b6c77d85ecbe46

Sic semper tyrannis*

M.

* Re: The Latin grammar: in this case, I mean it, not as "to" tyrannis, but as "this is how it is with" tyrannis) - I think the form still allows for this, but K-16 or others may want to weigh in...M.
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: nebo113 on January 15, 2021, 07:18:05 AM
Quote from: mamselle on January 14, 2021, 05:50:54 AM
HuffPost and several others are reporting that Trump may not pay Giuliani's legal fees, since he didn't "deliver the goods.."

   https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-wont-pay-rudy-giuliani-election-legal-work_n_5fffa763c5b6c77d85ecbe46

Sic semper tyrannis*

M.

* Re: The Latin grammar: in this case, I mean it, not as "to" tyrannis, but as "this is how it is with" tyrannis) - I think the form still allows for this, but K-16 or others may want to weigh in...M.

Rudy and little Stevie Bannon are willing to suck it up for a pardon.
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: Langue_doc on January 15, 2021, 08:38:49 AM
The latest, from the NYTimes:
"After 2 Impeachments, Giuliani Vows to Continue His Fervor for Trump
White House officials are universally angry with Rudolph W. Giuliani and blame him for both of President Trump's impeachments. But he remains one of few people still willing to join Mr. Trump in the foxhole."
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/14/us/politics/trump-giuliani.html
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: pgher on January 15, 2021, 03:59:52 PM
Apparently he won't get paid: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/14/trump-refusing-to-pay-rudy-giuliani-legal-fees-after-falling-out (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/14/trump-refusing-to-pay-rudy-giuliani-legal-fees-after-falling-out). One thing I've learned over the past four years is: If you must deal with Trump, get paid in advance.
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: mamselle on January 15, 2021, 04:00:42 PM
Quote from: mamselle on January 14, 2021, 05:50:54 AM
HuffPost and several others are reporting that Trump may not pay Giuliani's legal fees, since he didn't "deliver the goods.."

   https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-wont-pay-rudy-giuliani-election-legal-work_n_5fffa763c5b6c77d85ecbe46

Sic semper tyrannis*

M.

* Re: The Latin grammar: in this case, I mean it, not as "to" tyrannis, but as "this is how it is with" tyrannis) - I think the form still allows for this, but K-16 or others may want to weigh in...M.

Yes, it's a definite problem....

M.
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: lightning on January 15, 2021, 11:14:54 PM
Quote from: pgher on January 15, 2021, 03:59:52 PM
Apparently he won't get paid: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/14/trump-refusing-to-pay-rudy-giuliani-legal-fees-after-falling-out (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/14/trump-refusing-to-pay-rudy-giuliani-legal-fees-after-falling-out). One thing I've learned over the past four years is: If you must deal with Trump, get paid in advance.

Quote from: lightning on December 03, 2020, 03:44:19 PM
Every man has a price where they will sell out. For Mayor Rudy, the price seems to be $20,000/day. Of course, he's an even bigger idiot, if he thinks that Trump will actually pay him.
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: Sun_Worshiper on January 16, 2021, 10:29:57 AM
Fishing for a pardon?
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: Langue_doc on January 25, 2021, 09:55:54 AM
Quote from: Sun_Worshiper on January 16, 2021, 10:29:57 AM
Fishing for a pardon?

Nah, Trump didn't think he merited one, or most likely, Rudi didn't come up with the required amount.

Dominion Voting Systems filed a defamation lawsuit against Rudi
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/25/us/politics/rudy-giuliani-dominion-trump.html
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: Langue_doc on August 13, 2021, 07:08:48 AM
Resurrecting this thread.

If you want a customized greeting/message, look no further than Rudi.

https://gizmodo.com/abandoned-by-trump-giuliani-is-shilling-dirt-cheap-cam-1847468644

I was in the doctor's office earlier this week assiduously filling out forms when I heard his name. There was his face on TV, promoting his cameo. There were three other celebrities for the wrong reasons whose cameos cost more--Donnie Jr, Sarah Palin, and a third who I promptly forgot. I'm not sure if I heard his name on the TV or if it was another patient who called out his name.

Never a dull moment in the doctor's office.

To think that Rudi who helped the city cope with the aftermath of 9/11 has fallen so low.
Title: Re: What happened to Rudy Guiliani?
Post by: lightning on August 13, 2021, 10:27:24 AM
Quote from: Langue_doc on August 13, 2021, 07:08:48 AM
Resurrecting this thread.

If you want a customized greeting/message, look no further than Rudi.

https://gizmodo.com/abandoned-by-trump-giuliani-is-shilling-dirt-cheap-cam-1847468644

I was in the doctor's office earlier this week assiduously filling out forms when I heard his name. There was his face on TV, promoting his cameo. There were three other celebrities for the wrong reasons whose cameos cost more--Donnie Jr, Sarah Palin, and a third who I promptly forgot. I'm not sure if I heard his name on the TV or if it was another patient who called out his name.

Never a dull moment in the doctor's office.

To think that Rudi who helped the city cope with the aftermath of 9/11 has fallen so low.

You can book him on cameo at https://www.cameo.com/rudygiuliani?qid=1628875274 . Notice that he makes no connection to Trump. This means that he no longer sees any value in associating himself with Trump.

I actually like cameo. I use cameo, in lieu of sending virtual greeting cards.

Rudy is a sh1tstain on what is otherwise a very fun site.