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General Discussion / Re: gastric bypass surgery
« Last post by mamselle on Today at 10:22:22 PM »
I have been in therapy with an excellent, really truly exceptional, cognitive behavioral therapist for 5 years now.   Do you think I should bring this up with him?   He is not an MD, but maybe that does not matter?

I eat more than I should, but the problem wrt eating is not compulsive, but 1) my metabolism is much much slower than it used to be, which means, even though I eat less than I did 20 years ago, I burn off far fewer calories, and 2) I have very little money, which limits food choices (really, it does do that)....

1. Yes, of course discuss with your therapist.

2. Has the obesity been approached not as the disease, but as the symptom? Pituitary tumors and other causal issues can also lead to obesity as a side-effect. Has this been examined via MRI, T4/TSH/etc., CA-125 screens, etc.?

3. Bariatric surgery, as Hegemony correctly points out, is far from a cure-all. Its most appealing superficial quality is that it suggests the client need do nothing themselves, ever again, because the surgeon has done it all for them.

It's actually potentially dangerous, especially for those It's supposed to be designed to help, given the attendant breathing, heart, and circulatory issues usually besetting obese individuals.

If one survives the surgery without stroking out, going into respiratory distress, or becoming infected during or after the surgery itself--to say nothing of the potential for iatrogenic exposure to all the pleasant flavors of Covid now on offer--the day care plan and regimen of meds, food, liquids, and other treatment issues is fairly daunting.

4. And given the way Covid's going now, no-one in their right mind wants to book any elective surgeries for fear of tying up recovery beds, hospital personnel, and safety equipment.

In a year or so, if it's finally closer to being under control, revisit the question, maybe.

But talking the whole thing over with your counselor now sounds like the best plan yet, to me.

M.
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Semi-random musing: How can one distinguish inconsistency due to lack of firm principles and inconsistency due to other reasons?

Things like proselytizing in the workplace or in schools: lots of people complain if proselytizing of their own beliefs is prohibited; but if the prohibition is against beliefs they are against, then that's perfectly fine.

I don't know if that's better described as double standards or special pleading or hypocrisy or something else.

I guess I'm talking about inconsistently applied standards vs. inconsistent standards. Or standards with conditions?

Like, "It's out of line to punch someone just because they say your shirt is ugly. But if they insult your mother, they as good as asked for that black eye."



I've heard some people use the explanation, "It is no one's place but the parents' to decide what religious beliefs to teach their own child," as the principle behind why they are angry if anyone else tells a kid their parents' beliefs are untrue or even if they just expose them to a different set of beliefs. I've also heard the same people applaud stories about a teacher or a neighbor deciding to "save" a child by proselytizing to them behind the parents' backs.

I think there is a consistent principle here: "My religion is the One True Religion. It is acceptable, even exemplary, to subvert parents' wishes against proselytizing to their children about the One True Religion. The One True Religion is good for children. However it is never acceptable to do so for any false religions (aka all religions except for mine). Any religion which is not the One True Religion is bad for children."

But for some reason this is not the principle they cite.
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General Discussion / Re: gastric bypass surgery
« Last post by kaysixteen on Today at 08:54:07 PM »
I have been in therapy with an excellent, really truly exceptional, cognitive behavioral therapist for 5 years now.   Do you think I should bring this up with him?   He is not an MD, but maybe that does not matter?

I eat more than I should, but the problem wrt eating is not compulsive, but 1) my metabolism is much much slower than it used to be, which means, even though I eat less than I did 20 years ago, I burn off far fewer calories, and 2) I have very little money, which limits food choices (really, it does do that)....
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General Discussion / Re: gastric bypass surgery
« Last post by Hegemony on Today at 08:47:50 PM »
I have two friends who have had the surgery. One thing they seemed not to take fully into account beforehand is this. The real problem that makes so many of us overweight is a kind of compulsive eating. And removing that possibility leaves a big gap in the ability to cope with emotions. After all, if it were easy to stop the overeating, they would have done it already.

Anyway, one of them gained all the weight back over a period of about five years. The other one became an alcoholic, lost her job, and went on a downward spiral. She stopped communicating reliably with friends and I don't know what became of her at that point.

When I talk to folks, I hear a number of stories like this.

I think ongoing psychological support is, or should be, an important part of the mix.
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Anger is an easier emotion than grief, fear, and similar feelings. It has the virtue of seeming righteous. It feels powerful instead of powerless. A lot of people with a lot of difficult emotions take refuge in rage.
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General Discussion / gastric bypass surgery
« Last post by kaysixteen on Today at 08:42:09 PM »
I am considering having some type of gastric bypass.   It has been in my mind for a number of years.   About 5-6 years ago, I broached the subject with my PCP, who told me he did not think it necessary.   But fast forward to my most recent appt with him, two weeks ago, and I broached it again, after first asking him what weight loss options I did have nowadays.   I am up a few pounds this year, and probably am close to my highest weight ever, which is much higher than it should be for me.  I am also about to turn 54, and have assorted medical conditions that are exacerbated by obesity, but would likely be ameliorated with significant weight loss.   Doc has been bugging me to do appreciable exercise for years, but did not even bother to do so this month, and, truth be told, I am no longer physically able to do the sort of exercise that I did do, back in the 90s, which allowed me to lose 40 lbs then without any dietary changes (and even then, I  was probably 50 lbs lighter than I am now, *when I began that exercise agenda).  Doc did suggest dietary changes now, but, quite frankly, for a variety of reasons that are likely reasonably easy to glean.   I see him every three months and he said we could talk about alternatives then, should no appreciable weight loss have occurred.  It was then that I broached the bypass option again, and this time, he certainly did say that it would be a good potential choice, though he mentioned that there were two choices for it, one of which, the newer choice (slip?), being perhaps easier on the body surgery-wise.   I left his office, and set to thinking, realizing almost immediately that this ostensibly radical surgical option may well be my only realistic choice for appreciable weight loss, and have essentially resolved to do as much research/ legit opinion seeking, between now and the next doc visit in Feb., and then, likely, tell him I would like to proceed.   Any thoughts would be most appreciated, including, though not limited to, info wrt how long the recovery from either surgical choice would be, before one might be able to return to working.   Thanks as always.
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This thread just makes me sad. I'm tired of listening to people (here and from family) yell, fight and claim that they are on the 'right' side. Is there a 'right' side? Why does this have to be an 'us vs. them' kind of thing? I really wish people could put aside their differences, respect each other and discuss issues calmly instead of venting and hurting other people. There's enough hurt and pain in the world- why add to it? It sounds like a pipe dream, and maybe it is, but I'll continue to try to walk down a healthier path instead of engaging in toxicity.
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General Discussion / Re: Rittenhouse Case
« Last post by mahagonny on Today at 06:33:23 PM »
Levi Strauss Company is offering 'racial trauma counseling' to employees to help them process the experience of the verdict.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/levi-strauss-provides-racial-trauma-help-for-employees-troubled-by-rittenhouse-verdict

'Beyond Levi Strauss, California State University, Long Beach gave students and faculty the chance to attend a “debriefing” of Rittenhouse’s acquittal, which would be attended by staff from the Counseling and Psychological Services office. University spokesman Jim Milbury told The College Fix in an email, “When there are higher-profile events and issues in the public discourse, it is not uncommon for our university to provide spaces for our campus community to discuss those topics.”'

the intended inference is that the acquittal was illegitimate.

I wonder how this will effect their stock performance.

and

'The Daily Mail reported that Codrington [this is their psychologist-expert in racial trauma who will be giving the seminar] holds staunch left-wing views:

'Jamila Codrington is a New York-licensed psychologist who has appeared on various panels, claiming that “black people have been duped into thinking we do not matter.”'

I guess this is why Strauss Co. does not believe it needs to offer counseling to employees who are upset about the six women killed and 40 injured in Waukesha. The white people already know they matter, so they have no needs.
Personally, I don't look to my employer for comforting of any kind. But that's just me.

I am interested in the way politics is infusing the sciences. 'Racial trauma' as opposed to just emotional trauma is now being expertized. Codrington is identified by Strauss Co as a psychologist trained in racial trauma.
This confers particular authority to a set of practitioners who are either starting out with, or acquiring along the way, a racial political agenda, as opposed to the pure study of science. I am not convinced a trauma specialist who is competent could not treat someone for trauma experienced over a situation involving race.
Does the racial trauma psychologist also treat white people traumatized by accusations of racism?
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Do know what would help? If people like your mom could see, from time to time,  that liberal academics would distance themselves from the most harmful and fraudulent extremists on the left. I don't see them doing that.

I usually ignore you, M, because you have become the irrational rage machine that most of us just shrug our shoulders over----just like the examples in this thread.

But maybe you could back yourself up: who are these "harmful and fraudulent extremists" you refer to and who in academia courts them?

Never mind. There are none. Forget it.

I've asked other angry conservatives this exact question online a number of times.

The angry poster either disappears or deflects, just as you have done.
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General Discussion / Re: A Salute to the American Family
« Last post by Sun_Worshiper on Today at 04:52:13 PM »
This is a really sad thread. I hope Mahagonny didn't spend his whole Thanksgiving day reading and posting this kind of thing on various forums.


I'm right here, my ray of sunshine. We were with our precious (grown) child and significant other up north. Lovely day. you?

That's good, Mahagonny. I hope being with your family brings you some kind of peace and sanity.
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