Hey all,
The former CHE forums had an NSF CAREER grant update thread but I haven't been able to find one here, so I am starting one.
It's still fairly early, though I know some folks have received word on their CAREER grant applications as early as November / December.
If you have applied, please share which directorate, and whether you have had any updates.
I applied to EHR... no updates yet. This will be my last eligible attempt so wish me luck!
Quote from: professing on October 18, 2019, 06:41:43 PM
I applied to EHR... no updates yet. This will be my last eligible attempt so wish me luck!
Good luck!
Quote from: polly_mer on October 19, 2019, 05:53:41 AM
Quote from: professing on October 18, 2019, 06:41:43 PM
I applied to EHR... no updates yet. This will be my last eligible attempt so wish me luck!
Good luck!
Thanks! Fingers crossed!
I will update the thread if I hear back either way :)
I know the other thread was really active in the CHE forums. It would be great to hear if anyone else applied, what their status is, and to otherwise provide moral or emotional support through the thread. Feel free to post your status (if applicable)
Good luck, professing! Attempt #2 here to ENG... will post updates when I hear back :)
Thanks, zelda166! Best of luck to you as well! Hopeful NSF will send responses early this year (responses were slower over the past 2 attempts).
A sort-of update: Last week, I got an email from the PO, who wrote that my "proposal reviewed well" and requested a 2-paragraph public abstract. The email also explicitly said nothing was guaranteed. I sent back the abstract, and on 10/25 there was a status update (i.e., date change) for my proposal, though the status remains pending.
That's about it. There's no further communication from the PO and my fingers very much remain crossed.
That's good (if preliminary) news. Where in ENG did you submit? I have my first try into CMMI right now, with no news yet.
Well that breaks my heart. Haven't heard anything from MY program manager but another PM mentioned that they were aware I had applied (WHY?!?) Looking online, there was a status date change and the PM had been changed to someone whose title is "Expert". Not sure how to read the tea leaves here
I applied to ENG, was contacted by the PM who seemed pretty excited about my proposal, and was asked to respond to questions and submit a public abstract at the beginning of October. There hasn't been any activity since a few days later, when I assume my submission was updated with these materials. The PM indicated satisfaction with what I sent in. I thought that proposals moved to the Recommended category soon after that, if they were going to be recommended at all, but this hasn't been the case. Any guesses as to whether I still have a shot?
@map: My submission was to a program in CBET. My decline decision came pretty early last year too (late Nov). The early time frame is more to do with how the program manager likes to handle things...
@clearly: Sounds like the status update was linked to a change in program manager rather than anything else. Probably not worth fretting over!
Good luck to everyone that's following this board!
Quote from: bazinga58 on November 01, 2019, 07:32:27 AM
I applied to ENG, was contacted by the PM who seemed pretty excited about my proposal, and was asked to respond to questions and submit a public abstract at the beginning of October. There hasn't been any activity since a few days later, when I assume my submission was updated with these materials. The PM indicated satisfaction with what I sent in. I thought that proposals moved to the Recommended category soon after that, if they were going to be recommended at all, but this hasn't been the case. Any guesses as to whether I still have a shot?
My experience with non-CAREER NSF so far (two awarded, three declined) is that if they ask you for the abstract, start date, current/pending, etc., then it's
almost guaranteed that it will be awarded. I've had long (7 weeks+) periods between this request and the official "recommended" flag on Research.gov, and then another month+ before an award is official. So I'd say you're still in good shape.
My panel was in late September. Does it mean "no news is bad news" at this point?
Good thing that fastlane is down so I don't need to check for a few days..
Quote from: tobehappyprof on November 09, 2019, 12:35:31 PM
My panel was in late September. Does it mean "no news is bad news" at this point?
Good thing that fastlane is down so I don't need to check for a few days..
I think it probably just means no news at this point. There's only been a little over a month after the panel, and I am not sure how NSF budgets are being affected by the continuing resolution situation...
Fastlane being down was certainly a welcome enforced break! Now I am back to daily (occasionally more) status checks.... :)
My is reviewing today and finger crossed!
This is a good sign!
Quote from: zelda166 on October 31, 2019, 01:49:37 PM
A sort-of update: Last week, I got an email from the PO, who wrote that my "proposal reviewed well" and requested a 2-paragraph public abstract. The email also explicitly said nothing was guaranteed. I sent back the abstract, and on 10/25 there was a status update (i.e., date change) for my proposal, though the status remains pending.
That's about it. There's no further communication from the PO and my fingers very much remain crossed.
How do you know when the panel met? Since it switched to grants.gov, I thought we couldn't see panel meeting dates anymore.
Quote from: tobehappyprof on November 09, 2019, 12:35:31 PM
My panel was in late September. Does it mean "no news is bad news" at this point?
Good thing that fastlane is down so I don't need to check for a few days..
I am just wondering if CBET programs started sending rejections out. Last year, some programs did at the end Of October or the beginning of November. Did anyone hear any rejections yet?
Quote from: malist123 on November 13, 2019, 02:47:58 PM
I am just wondering if CBET programs started sending rejections out. Last year, some programs did at the end Of October or the beginning of November. Did anyone hear any rejections yet?
I know someone already received rejection for the CBET CAREER.
Quote from: helloworld on November 13, 2019, 07:25:29 AM
How do you know when the panel met? Since it switched to grants.gov, I thought we couldn't see panel meeting dates anymore.
Quote from: tobehappyprof on November 09, 2019, 12:35:31 PM
My panel was in late September. Does it mean "no news is bad news" at this point?
Good thing that fastlane is down so I don't need to check for a few days..
Here is my experience, not sure how others find out.
After the submission, Go to this website (https://www.nsf.gov/events/advisory.jsp), and find your PD's name, you can roughly estimate the date.
Quote from: map on November 01, 2019, 10:47:30 AM
Quote from: bazinga58 on November 01, 2019, 07:32:27 AM
I applied to ENG, was contacted by the PM who seemed pretty excited about my proposal, and was asked to respond to questions and submit a public abstract at the beginning of October. There hasn't been any activity since a few days later, when I assume my submission was updated with these materials. The PM indicated satisfaction with what I sent in. I thought that proposals moved to the Recommended category soon after that, if they were going to be recommended at all, but this hasn't been the case. Any guesses as to whether I still have a shot?
My experience with non-CAREER NSF so far (two awarded, three declined) is that if they ask you for the abstract, start date, current/pending, etc., then it's almost guaranteed that it will be awarded. I've had long (7 weeks+) periods between this request and the official "recommended" flag on Research.gov, and then another month+ before an award is official. So I'd say you're still in good shape.
In the past two weeks, my PD was updated, and my original PD has started awarding grants. No other status update or communication. I have no idea what this means. Any thoughts? I know of others who received their rejection notices back when I received questions and a request for an abstract.
how do you know your PD starts to send out awards?
Quote from: lightofhope on November 15, 2019, 10:32:52 AM
how do you know your PD starts to send out awards?
You can search on the NSF awards site for your NSF organization and CAREER awards (reference code:1045) -- https://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/advancedSearch.jsp
This is also how I found the dates out. The drawbacks are that you can only see future panels and your PD may handle multiple panels for different solicitations.
Quote from: lightofhope on November 14, 2019, 11:30:27 AM
Quote from: helloworld on November 13, 2019, 07:25:29 AM
How do you know when the panel met? Since it switched to grants.gov, I thought we couldn't see panel meeting dates anymore.
Quote from: tobehappyprof on November 09, 2019, 12:35:31 PM
My panel was in late September. Does it mean "no news is bad news" at this point?
Good thing that fastlane is down so I don't need to check for a few days..
Here is my experience, not sure how others find out.
After the submission, Go to this website (https://www.nsf.gov/events/advisory.jsp), and find your PD's name, you can roughly estimate the date.
For my last NSF grant, the PD changed to a person who was more closely in my area. Then it got funded.
My *guess* is that the first PD saw value in your proposal but it may not be the best fit, and s/he transferred it to a PD who can better evaluate your proposal.
Quote from: bazinga58 on November 15, 2019, 09:12:13 AM
Quote from: map on November 01, 2019, 10:47:30 AM
Quote from: bazinga58 on November 01, 2019, 07:32:27 AM
I applied to ENG, was contacted by the PM who seemed pretty excited about my proposal, and was asked to respond to questions and submit a public abstract at the beginning of October. There hasn't been any activity since a few days later, when I assume my submission was updated with these materials. The PM indicated satisfaction with what I sent in. I thought that proposals moved to the Recommended category soon after that, if they were going to be recommended at all, but this hasn't been the case. Any guesses as to whether I still have a shot?
My experience with non-CAREER NSF so far (two awarded, three declined) is that if they ask you for the abstract, start date, current/pending, etc., then it's almost guaranteed that it will be awarded. I've had long (7 weeks+) periods between this request and the official "recommended" flag on Research.gov, and then another month+ before an award is official. So I'd say you're still in good shape.
In the past two weeks, my PD was updated, and my original PD has started awarding grants. No other status update or communication. I have no idea what this means. Any thoughts? I know of others who received their rejection notices back when I received questions and a request for an abstract.
Thanks a lot! Your words are very comforting.
Hope everyone enjoys the weekend.
Quote from: zelda166 on November 12, 2019, 10:16:51 AM
Quote from: tobehappyprof on November 09, 2019, 12:35:31 PM
My panel was in late September. Does it mean "no news is bad news" at this point?
Good thing that fastlane is down so I don't need to check for a few days..
I think it probably just means no news at this point. There's only been a little over a month after the panel, and I am not sure how NSF budgets are being affected by the continuing resolution situation...
Fastlane being down was certainly a welcome enforced break! Now I am back to daily (occasionally more) status checks.... :)
Thanks for the reassurance! I think (but am not positive) that my new PD held their panel later than my original PD. I'm hoping that they'll include mine in their funding decisions but I also know there's a chance that my proposal might bounce off of the bubble due to this switch. I guess I will just have to wait and see as worrying won't do anything to influence the outcome.
Quote from: tobehappyprof on November 15, 2019, 11:15:40 AM
For my last NSF grant, the PD changed to a person who was more closely in my area. Then it got funded.
My *guess* is that the first PD saw value in your proposal but it may not be the best fit, and s/he transferred it to a PD who can better evaluate your proposal.
Quote from: bazinga58 on November 15, 2019, 09:12:13 AM
Quote from: map on November 01, 2019, 10:47:30 AM
Quote from: bazinga58 on November 01, 2019, 07:32:27 AM
I applied to ENG, was contacted by the PM who seemed pretty excited about my proposal, and was asked to respond to questions and submit a public abstract at the beginning of October. There hasn't been any activity since a few days later, when I assume my submission was updated with these materials. The PM indicated satisfaction with what I sent in. I thought that proposals moved to the Recommended category soon after that, if they were going to be recommended at all, but this hasn't been the case. Any guesses as to whether I still have a shot?
My experience with non-CAREER NSF so far (two awarded, three declined) is that if they ask you for the abstract, start date, current/pending, etc., then it's almost guaranteed that it will be awarded. I've had long (7 weeks+) periods between this request and the official "recommended" flag on Research.gov, and then another month+ before an award is official. So I'd say you're still in good shape.
In the past two weeks, my PD was updated, and my original PD has started awarding grants. No other status update or communication. I have no idea what this means. Any thoughts? I know of others who received their rejection notices back when I received questions and a request for an abstract.
Just a stray observation: It looks like ENG proposals are getting funded at well below the $500k minimum. I wonder if they are expecting budget cuts for FY2020.
how do you find out this?
Quote from: bazinga58 on November 15, 2019, 03:52:10 PM
Just a stray observation: It looks like ENG proposals are getting funded at well below the $500k minimum. I wonder if they are expecting budget cuts for FY2020.
Are those full award amounts or just the first of several increments? We've had CAREER grants be funded either all in one shot or in a couple of chunks. If I recall correctly, in the latter case, the "amount funded to date" would have just been the first increment until the second one was awarded.
That's a really good point. I am not sure. I wonder if they are doing just a first increment up front on a lot of grants until the FY20 budget is passed.
Quote from: hazelshade on November 16, 2019, 08:55:03 AM
Quote from: bazinga58 on November 15, 2019, 03:52:10 PM
Just a stray observation: It looks like ENG proposals are getting funded at well below the $500k minimum. I wonder if they are expecting budget cuts for FY2020.
Are those full award amounts or just the first of several increments? We've had CAREER grants be funded either all in one shot or in a couple of chunks. If I recall correctly, in the latter case, the "amount funded to date" would have just been the first increment until the second one was awarded.
Quote from: zelda166 on October 31, 2019, 01:49:37 PM
A sort-of update: Last week, I got an email from the PO, who wrote that my "proposal reviewed well" and requested a 2-paragraph public abstract. The email also explicitly said nothing was guaranteed. I sent back the abstract, and on 10/25 there was a status update (i.e., date change) for my proposal, though the status remains pending.
That's about it. There's no further communication from the PO and my fingers very much remain crossed.
Some updates! My proposal went from pending to recommended to awarded last week... all in the space of 3-4 days. I think this may have been a quirk or error in the system. It usually takes 3-4 weeks to go from recommended to awarded (perhaps the 10/25 status update was mean to go to recommended?).
In any case, I am relieved/excited and looking forward to pursuing the proposed research. Good luck to everyone else that applied in this cycle!
Congratulations! A few colleagues have received negative results. Mine seems still alive. Fingers crossed.
Congrats!!!
So fast!
Quote from: zelda166 on November 18, 2019, 08:37:52 AM
Quote from: zelda166 on October 31, 2019, 01:49:37 PM
A sort-of update: Last week, I got an email from the PO, who wrote that my "proposal reviewed well" and requested a 2-paragraph public abstract. The email also explicitly said nothing was guaranteed. I sent back the abstract, and on 10/25 there was a status update (i.e., date change) for my proposal, though the status remains pending.
That's about it. There's no further communication from the PO and my fingers very much remain crossed.
Some updates! My proposal went from pending to recommended to awarded last week... all in the space of 3-4 days. I think this may have been a quirk or error in the system. It usually takes 3-4 weeks to go from recommended to awarded (perhaps the 10/25 status update was mean to go to recommended?).
In any case, I am relieved/excited and looking forward to pursuing the proposed research. Good luck to everyone else that applied in this cycle!
Any update from the IOS? Thanks..
I applied for a CAREER in MCB back in July. Anyone heard from MCB yet?
I only saw few funded through the NSF Award site (possibly from last year applications).
Are there any news from EAR folks? This is my first year applying and I hate being so anxious about it. No status update or any sort of hint on my end.
Any news from CNS program? Get anxious about the result.
2018 CAREER Awards
Award Date of 10/5/2018 - 05/3/2019
655 Awards
MPS - 175
SBES - 15
CISE - 142
GEO - 37
ENG - 201
BIOSCI-70
EDHR - 15
2019 CAREER Awards to Date (As of 11/26)
Award Date of 10/4/19 - Today
72 Awards
MPS - 16
CISE - 8
GEO - 3
ENG - 37
BIOSCI - 7
EDHR - 1
CBET accounts for 34% of all awards to date for this cycle with 25. No other division has yet to reach double digit awards, which is to say there are plenty of awards across the spectrum that have yet to be made.
thanks, where did you find this information?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on November 26, 2019, 02:51:26 PM
2018 CAREER Awards
Award Date of 10/5/2018 - 05/3/2019
655 Awards
MPS - 175
SBES - 15
CISE - 142
GEO - 37
ENG - 201
BIOSCI-70
EDHR - 15
2019 CAREER Awards to Date (As of 11/26)
Award Date of 10/4/19 - Today
72 Awards
MPS - 16
CISE - 8
GEO - 3
ENG - 37
BIOSCI - 7
EDHR - 1
CBET accounts for 34% of all awards to date for this cycle with 25. No other division has yet to reach double digit awards, which is to say there are plenty of awards across the spectrum that have yet to be made.
NSF award search
Quote from: lightofhope on November 26, 2019, 07:12:22 PM
thanks, where did you find this information?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on November 26, 2019, 02:51:26 PM
2018 CAREER Awards
Award Date of 10/5/2018 - 05/3/2019
655 Awards
MPS - 175
SBES - 15
CISE - 142
GEO - 37
ENG - 201
BIOSCI-70
EDHR - 15
2019 CAREER Awards to Date (As of 11/26)
Award Date of 10/4/19 - Today
72 Awards
MPS - 16
CISE - 8
GEO - 3
ENG - 37
BIOSCI - 7
EDHR - 1
CBET accounts for 34% of all awards to date for this cycle with 25. No other division has yet to reach double digit awards, which is to say there are plenty of awards across the spectrum that have yet to be made.
The number of 655 from FY19 awardees (2018 applicants) jibes with the press release from the NSF saying "nearly 700" early faculty received CAREER awards (https://www.hpcwire.com/off-the-wire/nsf-awards-250m-to-early-career-researchers/).
Using the same search methodology we can effectively track awards as they're made or as they are published. I'm feel pretty confident in the number of awards to-date for 2019 applicants.
A deeper dig can be done to search by award type and Program Director. Research.gov should show the Program Director considering the proposal.
Quote from: lightofhope on November 26, 2019, 07:12:22 PM
thanks, where did you find this information?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on November 26, 2019, 02:51:26 PM
2018 CAREER Awards
Award Date of 10/5/2018 - 05/3/2019
655 Awards
MPS - 175
SBES - 15
CISE - 142
GEO - 37
ENG - 201
BIOSCI-70
EDHR - 15
2019 CAREER Awards to Date (As of 11/26)
Award Date of 10/4/19 - Today
72 Awards
MPS - 16
CISE - 8
GEO - 3
ENG - 37
BIOSCI - 7
EDHR - 1
CBET accounts for 34% of all awards to date for this cycle with 25. No other division has yet to reach double digit awards, which is to say there are plenty of awards across the spectrum that have yet to be made.
Has anyone ever seen their status get updated to still "pending" before the award is recommended? I don't think I've ever seen that before, but it happened to me on Monday. I submitted questions and an abstract in early mid October. I feel like this could be my rejection being uploaded into the system. :(
I don't think so, and you should be fine.
Quote from: bazinga58 on November 27, 2019, 02:05:11 PM
Has anyone ever seen their status get updated to still "pending" before the award is recommended? I don't think I've ever seen that before, but it happened to me on Monday. I submitted questions and an abstract in early mid October. I feel like this could be my rejection being uploaded into the system. :(
may I know what program you are in?
thanks
Quote from: bazinga58 on November 27, 2019, 02:05:11 PM
Has anyone ever seen their status get updated to still "pending" before the award is recommended? I don't think I've ever seen that before, but it happened to me on Monday. I submitted questions and an abstract in early mid October. I feel like this could be my rejection being uploaded into the system. :(
Did anyone hear from the division of materials research (DMR) - condensed matter physics (CMP) program?
Quote from: zelda166 on November 18, 2019, 08:37:52 AM
Quote from: zelda166 on October 31, 2019, 01:49:37 PM
A sort-of update: Last week, I got an email from the PO, who wrote that my "proposal reviewed well" and requested a 2-paragraph public abstract. The email also explicitly said nothing was guaranteed. I sent back the abstract, and on 10/25 there was a status update (i.e., date change) for my proposal, though the status remains pending.
That's about it. There's no further communication from the PO and my fingers very much remain crossed.
Some updates! My proposal went from pending to recommended to awarded last week... all in the space of 3-4 days. I think this may have been a quirk or error in the system. It usually takes 3-4 weeks to go from recommended to awarded (perhaps the 10/25 status update was mean to go to recommended?).
In any case, I am relieved/excited and looking forward to pursuing the proposed research. Good luck to everyone else that applied in this cycle!
Congrats!
Quote from: ocean2428 on November 27, 2019, 08:22:27 PM
Did anyone hear from the division of materials research (DMR) - condensed matter physics (CMP) program?
9 DMR awards thus far this cycle.
60 DMR awards in the 2018 cycle.
Safe to say awards are still forthcoming.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on November 27, 2019, 08:39:42 PM
Quote from: ocean2428 on November 27, 2019, 08:22:27 PM
Did anyone hear from the division of materials research (DMR) - condensed matter physics (CMP) program?
9 DMR awards thus far this cycle.
60 DMR awards in the 2018 cycle.
Safe to say awards are still forthcoming.
Thnaks! Where did you find that Information?
Quote from: ocean2428 on November 28, 2019, 10:31:17 AM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on November 27, 2019, 08:39:42 PM
Quote from: ocean2428 on November 27, 2019, 08:22:27 PM
Did anyone hear from the division of materials research (DMR) - condensed matter physics (CMP) program?
9 DMR awards thus far this cycle.
60 DMR awards in the 2018 cycle.
Safe to say awards are still forthcoming.
Thnaks! Where did you find that Information?
NSF Award Search
Tells you everything you need to know if you know where to look
There is some NSF Career award news from DMR in twitter
Quote from: ocean2428 on November 27, 2019, 08:22:27 PM
Did anyone hear from the division of materials research (DMR) - condensed matter physics (CMP) program?
Has anyone heard from the ECI program of CMMI? I see the panel met on Nov 19th but I have not heard anything on my CAREER yet.
Anyone heard from the HDBE program of CMMI? Any idea when the panel met?
I haven't seen any change of status date (CMMI ECI)
Did anyone hear any news from CISE?
Hi Everyone,
I have applied to CHE in July. Got contacted by the PM on Friday Nov. 29 asking about current pending and potential overlaps between grants. Talk to PM on Monday but I was not able to get any update on my application. Not sure what all of that means.
Cheers,
It looks like about a dozen awards so far from CISE.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 04, 2019, 01:16:59 PM
Did anyone hear any news from CISE?
Did anyone get news from DMR/ Electronic and Photonic Materials (EPM)?
where did you see that? could you please post a link?
Quote from: rsbacon on December 04, 2019, 04:06:11 PM
It looks like about a dozen awards so far from CISE.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 04, 2019, 01:16:59 PM
Did anyone hear any news from CISE?
NSF Awards Advanced Search page. Reference code for CAREER is 1045.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 04, 2019, 06:01:43 PM
where did you see that? could you please post a link?
Quote from: rsbacon on December 04, 2019, 04:06:11 PM
It looks like about a dozen awards so far from CISE.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 04, 2019, 01:16:59 PM
Did anyone hear any news from CISE?
This is not quite accurate. CISE has not made many awards for this cycle yet. A deeper dive looking at results reveals awards with a start date of 2019 and ending in 2022 or 2023. This cycle's start date would be 2020 so it would reason to believe some of the awards showing up in the search are continuing awards from previous years and not necessarily new awards for this cycle.
Based on that, if you do a search for CAREER awards with a START DATE on or after 1/1/20 you'll find 1 award in CISE has been made, which is most likely correct.
Quote from: rsbacon on December 04, 2019, 06:14:03 PM
NSF Awards Advanced Search page. Reference code for CAREER is 1045.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 04, 2019, 06:01:43 PM
where did you see that? could you please post a link?
Quote from: rsbacon on December 04, 2019, 04:06:11 PM
It looks like about a dozen awards so far from CISE.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 04, 2019, 01:16:59 PM
Did anyone hear any news from CISE?
I see the flaw in my methodology. If you look at which PIs have active only vs. active and expired CAREER awards, it looks like two new awards have been made this cycle, with award dates in September and November. Would not be the first time a PD awarded something they really wanted to fund early on in the process.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 06, 2019, 03:28:55 AM
This is not quite accurate. CISE has not made many awards for this cycle yet. A deeper dive looking at results reveals awards with a start date of 2019 and ending in 2022 or 2023. This cycle's start date would be 2020 so it would reason to believe some of the awards showing up in the search are continuing awards from previous years and not necessarily new awards for this cycle.
Based on that, if you do a search for CAREER awards with a START DATE on or after 1/1/20 you'll find 1 award in CISE has been made, which is most likely correct.
Quote from: rsbacon on December 04, 2019, 06:14:03 PM
NSF Awards Advanced Search page. Reference code for CAREER is 1045.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 04, 2019, 06:01:43 PM
where did you see that? could you please post a link?
Quote from: rsbacon on December 04, 2019, 04:06:11 PM
It looks like about a dozen awards so far from CISE.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 04, 2019, 01:16:59 PM
Did anyone hear any news from CISE?
I'm still going to push you on this. Check when the initial amendments were to some of those awards and you'd find that they were earlier in the year, which would be a sign of a continuing award from a previous year. Even still with the revised methodology you see the difference between a dozen awards being made to 1, or 2. That's really all that matters here.
Quote from: rsbacon on December 06, 2019, 05:11:23 AM
I see the flaw in my methodology. If you look at which PIs have active only vs. active and expired CAREER awards, it looks like two new awards have been made this cycle, with award dates in September and November. Would not be the first time a PD awarded something they really wanted to fund early on in the process.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 06, 2019, 03:28:55 AM
This is not quite accurate. CISE has not made many awards for this cycle yet. A deeper dive looking at results reveals awards with a start date of 2019 and ending in 2022 or 2023. This cycle's start date would be 2020 so it would reason to believe some of the awards showing up in the search are continuing awards from previous years and not necessarily new awards for this cycle.
Based on that, if you do a search for CAREER awards with a START DATE on or after 1/1/20 you'll find 1 award in CISE has been made, which is most likely correct.
Quote from: rsbacon on December 04, 2019, 06:14:03 PM
NSF Awards Advanced Search page. Reference code for CAREER is 1045.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 04, 2019, 06:01:43 PM
where did you see that? could you please post a link?
Quote from: rsbacon on December 04, 2019, 04:06:11 PM
It looks like about a dozen awards so far from CISE.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 04, 2019, 01:16:59 PM
Did anyone hear any news from CISE?
Thanks for the post! I like the scientific rigor in this thread. The end date seems to be more informative in this case, especially because all CAREERs are supposed to be 5 years.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 06, 2019, 05:40:48 AM
I'm still going to push you on this. Check when the initial amendments were to some of those awards and you'd find that they were earlier in the year, which would be a sign of a continuing award from a previous year. Even still with the revised methodology you see the difference between a dozen awards being made to 1, or 2. That's really all that matters here.
Quote from: rsbacon on December 06, 2019, 05:11:23 AM
I see the flaw in my methodology. If you look at which PIs have active only vs. active and expired CAREER awards, it looks like two new awards have been made this cycle, with award dates in September and November. Would not be the first time a PD awarded something they really wanted to fund early on in the process.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 06, 2019, 03:28:55 AM
This is not quite accurate. CISE has not made many awards for this cycle yet. A deeper dive looking at results reveals awards with a start date of 2019 and ending in 2022 or 2023. This cycle's start date would be 2020 so it would reason to believe some of the awards showing up in the search are continuing awards from previous years and not necessarily new awards for this cycle.
Based on that, if you do a search for CAREER awards with a START DATE on or after 1/1/20 you'll find 1 award in CISE has been made, which is most likely correct.
Quote from: rsbacon on December 04, 2019, 06:14:03 PM
NSF Awards Advanced Search page. Reference code for CAREER is 1045.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 04, 2019, 06:01:43 PM
where did you see that? could you please post a link?
Quote from: rsbacon on December 04, 2019, 04:06:11 PM
It looks like about a dozen awards so far from CISE.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 04, 2019, 01:16:59 PM
Did anyone hear any news from CISE?
I don't believe I said anything contradictory to your statement in my follow-up post. There are 2 awardees, one with an initial amendment date of September and another of November, and no prior installments.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 06, 2019, 05:40:48 AM
I'm still going to push you on this. Check when the initial amendments were to some of those awards and you'd find that they were earlier in the year, which would be a sign of a continuing award from a previous year. Even still with the revised methodology you see the difference between a dozen awards being made to 1, or 2. That's really all that matters here.
Quote from: rsbacon on December 06, 2019, 05:11:23 AM
I see the flaw in my methodology. If you look at which PIs have active only vs. active and expired CAREER awards, it looks like two new awards have been made this cycle, with award dates in September and November. Would not be the first time a PD awarded something they really wanted to fund early on in the process.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 06, 2019, 03:28:55 AM
This is not quite accurate. CISE has not made many awards for this cycle yet. A deeper dive looking at results reveals awards with a start date of 2019 and ending in 2022 or 2023. This cycle's start date would be 2020 so it would reason to believe some of the awards showing up in the search are continuing awards from previous years and not necessarily new awards for this cycle.
Based on that, if you do a search for CAREER awards with a START DATE on or after 1/1/20 you'll find 1 award in CISE has been made, which is most likely correct.
Quote from: rsbacon on December 04, 2019, 06:14:03 PM
NSF Awards Advanced Search page. Reference code for CAREER is 1045.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 04, 2019, 06:01:43 PM
where did you see that? could you please post a link?
Quote from: rsbacon on December 04, 2019, 04:06:11 PM
It looks like about a dozen awards so far from CISE.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 04, 2019, 01:16:59 PM
Did anyone hear any news from CISE?
Maybe I should have been clearer about what you actually said that was incorrect.
1) It is impossible for a FY20 CAREER award to be made prior to 10/1/19, as this is the start of the fiscal year. Government budgetary considerations dictate that a CAREER award for FY19 be made between 10/1/18 and 9/30/19 and therefore your 1st search result is indeed an FY19 award.
2) For FY20 awards the start date cannot be prior to 1/1/20. There's no hard fast rule about this aspect but there are several reasons why PDs push back on earlier start dates. Some of those reasons include budgetary appropriations and the lead time it takes for the university to receive the funds and allocate the necessary resources to manage the award. Additionally, there are the holidays and since the standard time for hearing about an award is 6 months, it is not wise to have a start date for a proposal that was submitted in July be an earlier than January.
With these two things in mind, if you alter your search you will see 1 CAREER award in CISE for FY20, which had proposals due in July 2019.
I hope this clarifies things for everyone.
If you wanted to conduct a search for FY20 awards to date, you'd do so with the following options entered into NSF's Advanced Search:
Reference code: 1045
Original Award Date: On or After 10/1/19
Start Date: On or after 1/1/20
Quote from: rsbacon on December 06, 2019, 09:29:08 AM
I don't believe I said anything contradictory to your statement in my follow-up post. There are 2 awardees, one with an initial amendment date of September and another of November, and no prior installments.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 06, 2019, 05:40:48 AM
I'm still going to push you on this. Check when the initial amendments were to some of those awards and you'd find that they were earlier in the year, which would be a sign of a continuing award from a previous year. Even still with the revised methodology you see the difference between a dozen awards being made to 1, or 2. That's really all that matters here.
Quote from: rsbacon on December 06, 2019, 05:11:23 AM
I see the flaw in my methodology. If you look at which PIs have active only vs. active and expired CAREER awards, it looks like two new awards have been made this cycle, with award dates in September and November. Would not be the first time a PD awarded something they really wanted to fund early on in the process.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 06, 2019, 03:28:55 AM
This is not quite accurate. CISE has not made many awards for this cycle yet. A deeper dive looking at results reveals awards with a start date of 2019 and ending in 2022 or 2023. This cycle's start date would be 2020 so it would reason to believe some of the awards showing up in the search are continuing awards from previous years and not necessarily new awards for this cycle.
Based on that, if you do a search for CAREER awards with a START DATE on or after 1/1/20 you'll find 1 award in CISE has been made, which is most likely correct.
Quote from: rsbacon on December 04, 2019, 06:14:03 PM
NSF Awards Advanced Search page. Reference code for CAREER is 1045.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 04, 2019, 06:01:43 PM
where did you see that? could you please post a link?
Quote from: rsbacon on December 04, 2019, 04:06:11 PM
It looks like about a dozen awards so far from CISE.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 04, 2019, 01:16:59 PM
Did anyone hear any news from CISE?
This is very helpful!!!
thank you.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 06, 2019, 11:01:09 AM
Maybe I should have been clearer about what you actually said that was incorrect.
1) It is impossible for a FY20 CAREER award to be made prior to 10/1/19, as this is the start of the fiscal year. Government budgetary considerations dictate that a CAREER award for FY19 be made between 10/1/18 and 9/30/19 and therefore your 1st search result is indeed an FY19 award.
2) For FY20 awards the start date cannot be prior to 1/1/20. There's no hard fast rule about this aspect but there are several reasons why PDs push back on earlier start dates. Some of those reasons include budgetary appropriations and the lead time it takes for the university to receive the funds and allocate the necessary resources to manage the award. Additionally, there are the holidays and since the standard time for hearing about an award is 6 months, it is not wise to have a start date for a proposal that was submitted in July be an earlier than January.
With these two things in mind, if you alter your search you will see 1 CAREER award in CISE for FY20, which had proposals due in July 2019.
I hope this clarifies things for everyone.
If you wanted to conduct a search for FY20 awards to date, you'd do so with the following options entered into NSF's Advanced Search:
Reference code: 1045
Original Award Date: On or After 10/1/19
Start Date: On or after 1/1/20
Quote from: rsbacon on December 06, 2019, 09:29:08 AM
I don't believe I said anything contradictory to your statement in my follow-up post. There are 2 awardees, one with an initial amendment date of September and another of November, and no prior installments.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 06, 2019, 05:40:48 AM
I'm still going to push you on this. Check when the initial amendments were to some of those awards and you'd find that they were earlier in the year, which would be a sign of a continuing award from a previous year. Even still with the revised methodology you see the difference between a dozen awards being made to 1, or 2. That's really all that matters here.
Quote from: rsbacon on December 06, 2019, 05:11:23 AM
I see the flaw in my methodology. If you look at which PIs have active only vs. active and expired CAREER awards, it looks like two new awards have been made this cycle, with award dates in September and November. Would not be the first time a PD awarded something they really wanted to fund early on in the process.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 06, 2019, 03:28:55 AM
This is not quite accurate. CISE has not made many awards for this cycle yet. A deeper dive looking at results reveals awards with a start date of 2019 and ending in 2022 or 2023. This cycle's start date would be 2020 so it would reason to believe some of the awards showing up in the search are continuing awards from previous years and not necessarily new awards for this cycle.
Based on that, if you do a search for CAREER awards with a START DATE on or after 1/1/20 you'll find 1 award in CISE has been made, which is most likely correct.
Quote from: rsbacon on December 04, 2019, 06:14:03 PM
NSF Awards Advanced Search page. Reference code for CAREER is 1045.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 04, 2019, 06:01:43 PM
where did you see that? could you please post a link?
Quote from: rsbacon on December 04, 2019, 04:06:11 PM
It looks like about a dozen awards so far from CISE.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 04, 2019, 01:16:59 PM
Did anyone hear any news from CISE?
ECCS. Still no updates though. I think I'm officially in the gray zone.
Quote from: lightofhope on November 27, 2019, 03:19:10 PM
may I know what program you are in?
thanks
I have a question about aspiringacademic's point. I know a few people (all eventual PECASE winners) who submitted in July and were awarded before October. Does that mean they were a part of the previous year's award winners? What is the practical significance of this? Not that it matters in my case. (Still waiting to hear back from PD after sending in abstract 2+ months ago, well into FY2020 even though the budget hasn't technically passed yet. All my colleagues who say they envy my position don't understand how stressful this is.)
PECASE is a little different.
Prior to 2015 the awardees were announced annually making it easier to work into the FY budget.
2015 - 2017 PECASE recipients were announced on July 2, 2019 making it likely that they were awarded out of the FY19 budget.
There's no practical significance to the timing of the PECASE awards.
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 06, 2019, 12:48:27 PM
I have a question about aspiringacademic's point. I know a few people (all eventual PECASE winners) who submitted in July and were awarded before October. Does that mean they were a part of the previous year's award winners? What is the practical significance of this? Not that it matters in my case. (Still waiting to hear back from PD after sending in abstract 2+ months ago, well into FY2020 even though the budget hasn't technically passed yet. All my colleagues who say they envy my position don't understand how stressful this is.)
Anyone has been asked to update their current and pending? Any insights as of what it means?
Thanks,
this means you will be funded soon, congrats!
Quote from: ibuj67 on December 06, 2019, 03:12:18 PM
Anyone has been asked to update their current and pending? Any insights as of what it means?
Thanks,
I was referring to the fact that these people all were awarded their initial CAREER awards within the first two months after submitting their proposals. Some of them didn't even go to external review. I could have been clearer about that, sorry.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 06, 2019, 01:34:56 PM
PECASE is a little different.
Prior to 2015 the awardees were announced annually making it easier to work into the FY budget.
2015 - 2017 PECASE recipients were announced on July 2, 2019 making it likely that they were awarded out of the FY19 budget.
There's no practical significance to the timing of the PECASE awards.
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 06, 2019, 12:48:27 PM
I have a question about aspiringacademic's point. I know a few people (all eventual PECASE winners) who submitted in July and were awarded before October. Does that mean they were a part of the previous year's award winners? What is the practical significance of this? Not that it matters in my case. (Still waiting to hear back from PD after sending in abstract 2+ months ago, well into FY2020 even though the budget hasn't technically passed yet. All my colleagues who say they envy my position don't understand how stressful this is.)
"Some of them didn't even go to external review"
Are you kidding me or I misunderstood your point, but how come they can be awarded without external review?
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 07, 2019, 01:16:44 PM
I was referring to the fact that these people all were awarded their initial CAREER awards within the first two months after submitting their proposals. Some of them didn't even go to external review. I could have been clearer about that, sorry.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 06, 2019, 01:34:56 PM
PECASE is a little different.
Prior to 2015 the awardees were announced annually making it easier to work into the FY budget.
2015 - 2017 PECASE recipients were announced on July 2, 2019 making it likely that they were awarded out of the FY19 budget.
There's no practical significance to the timing of the PECASE awards.
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 06, 2019, 12:48:27 PM
I have a question about aspiringacademic's point. I know a few people (all eventual PECASE winners) who submitted in July and were awarded before October. Does that mean they were a part of the previous year's award winners? What is the practical significance of this? Not that it matters in my case. (Still waiting to hear back from PD after sending in abstract 2+ months ago, well into FY2020 even though the budget hasn't technically passed yet. All my colleagues who say they envy my position don't understand how stressful this is.)
I dunno. It's what I heard by well informed people.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 07, 2019, 01:31:34 PM
"Some of them didn't even go to external review"
Are you kidding me or I misunderstood your point, but how come they can be awarded without external review?
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 07, 2019, 01:16:44 PM
I was referring to the fact that these people all were awarded their initial CAREER awards within the first two months after submitting their proposals. Some of them didn't even go to external review. I could have been clearer about that, sorry.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 06, 2019, 01:34:56 PM
PECASE is a little different.
Prior to 2015 the awardees were announced annually making it easier to work into the FY budget.
2015 - 2017 PECASE recipients were announced on July 2, 2019 making it likely that they were awarded out of the FY19 budget.
There's no practical significance to the timing of the PECASE awards.
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 06, 2019, 12:48:27 PM
I have a question about aspiringacademic's point. I know a few people (all eventual PECASE winners) who submitted in July and were awarded before October. Does that mean they were a part of the previous year's award winners? What is the practical significance of this? Not that it matters in my case. (Still waiting to hear back from PD after sending in abstract 2+ months ago, well into FY2020 even though the budget hasn't technically passed yet. All my colleagues who say they envy my position don't understand how stressful this is.)
I highly doubt these proposals were awarded without external review. That just goes against standard practice. You do make the point I've been trying to make though: CAREER proposals submitted in July can have an award date and start date before January. There have been many examples of this.
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 07, 2019, 01:38:56 PM
I dunno. It's what I heard by well informed people.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 07, 2019, 01:31:34 PM
"Some of them didn't even go to external review"
Are you kidding me or I misunderstood your point, but how come they can be awarded without external review?
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 07, 2019, 01:16:44 PM
I was referring to the fact that these people all were awarded their initial CAREER awards within the first two months after submitting their proposals. Some of them didn't even go to external review. I could have been clearer about that, sorry.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 06, 2019, 01:34:56 PM
PECASE is a little different.
Prior to 2015 the awardees were announced annually making it easier to work into the FY budget.
2015 - 2017 PECASE recipients were announced on July 2, 2019 making it likely that they were awarded out of the FY19 budget.
There's no practical significance to the timing of the PECASE awards.
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 06, 2019, 12:48:27 PM
I have a question about aspiringacademic's point. I know a few people (all eventual PECASE winners) who submitted in July and were awarded before October. Does that mean they were a part of the previous year's award winners? What is the practical significance of this? Not that it matters in my case. (Still waiting to hear back from PD after sending in abstract 2+ months ago, well into FY2020 even though the budget hasn't technically passed yet. All my colleagues who say they envy my position don't understand how stressful this is.)
Has anyone heard from the DMR Metals & Metals Nanostructures, or DMR SSMC yet? I have a proposal that is co-reviewed in both programs.
How soon do program managers ask for abstracts after the panel reviews are over?
I came here to correct what I said previously.
PECASE awardees are also CAREER recipients there are no additional funds for being a PECASE awardee. So the budget has nothing to do with PECASE for CAREER recipients, but it's still a great honor to have.
Going back to your comment about PECASE recipients being awarded early in the process — absent any proof, I don't believe this to be true. They are not skipped ahead of others and PECASE is a retroactive honor and up to 25 per year are recommended by the NSF to receive it. They may be among the first to receive notification of the award, but the actual award isn't made until on or after 10/1 to correspond with the new FY.
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 07, 2019, 01:16:44 PM
I was referring to the fact that these people all were awarded their initial CAREER awards within the first two months after submitting their proposals. Some of them didn't even go to external review. I could have been clearer about that, sorry.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 06, 2019, 01:34:56 PM
PECASE is a little different.
Prior to 2015 the awardees were announced annually making it easier to work into the FY budget.
2015 - 2017 PECASE recipients were announced on July 2, 2019 making it likely that they were awarded out of the FY19 budget.
There's no practical significance to the timing of the PECASE awards.
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 06, 2019, 12:48:27 PM
I have a question about aspiringacademic's point. I know a few people (all eventual PECASE winners) who submitted in July and were awarded before October. Does that mean they were a part of the previous year's award winners? What is the practical significance of this? Not that it matters in my case. (Still waiting to hear back from PD after sending in abstract 2+ months ago, well into FY2020 even though the budget hasn't technically passed yet. All my colleagues who say they envy my position don't understand how stressful this is.)
There are exceptions to every rule. Just like it's true that a PD may find a proposal that the panel didn't recommend. However, it's clear that the vast majority of awards follow the timeline/criteria outlined.
Quote from: rsbacon on December 07, 2019, 01:47:16 PM
.... You do make the point I've been trying to make though: CAREER proposals submitted in July can have an award date and start date before January. There have been many examples of this.
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 07, 2019, 01:38:56 PM
I dunno. It's what I heard by well informed people.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 07, 2019, 01:31:34 PM
"Some of them didn't even go to external review"
Are you kidding me or I misunderstood your point, but how come they can be awarded without external review?
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 07, 2019, 01:16:44 PM
I was referring to the fact that these people all were awarded their initial CAREER awards within the first two months after submitting their proposals. Some of them didn't even go to external review. I could have been clearer about that, sorry.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 06, 2019, 01:34:56 PM
PECASE is a little different.
Prior to 2015 the awardees were announced annually making it easier to work into the FY budget.
2015 - 2017 PECASE recipients were announced on July 2, 2019 making it likely that they were awarded out of the FY19 budget.
There's no practical significance to the timing of the PECASE awards.
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 06, 2019, 12:48:27 PM
I have a question about aspiringacademic's point. I know a few people (all eventual PECASE winners) who submitted in July and were awarded before October. Does that mean they were a part of the previous year's award winners? What is the practical significance of this? Not that it matters in my case. (Still waiting to hear back from PD after sending in abstract 2+ months ago, well into FY2020 even though the budget hasn't technically passed yet. All my colleagues who say they envy my position don't understand how stressful this is.)
how do you know your proposal was co-reviewed by two programs?
You have two POs?
Quote from: Electrochemist on December 07, 2019, 01:57:57 PM
Has anyone heard from the DMR Metals & Metals Nanostructures, or DMR SSMC yet? I have a proposal that is co-reviewed in both programs.
How soon do program managers ask for abstracts after the panel reviews are over?
Quote from: Electrochemist on December 07, 2019, 01:57:57 PM
Has anyone heard from the DMR Metals & Metals Nanostructures, or DMR SSMC yet? I have a proposal that is co-reviewed in both programs.
How soon do program managers ask for abstracts after the panel reviews are over?
There's 1 SSMC award for this cycle thus far. I see a few Polymer awards.
Timeframe varies greatly.
I submitted my CAREER to SSMC, they transferred it to the Metals program without asking me. I guess my proposal is at the boundary of both programs, so i asked if it could be co-reviewed. So the main program it is reviewed in now is Metals, but the program officer at SSMC said it would be reviewed there as well. If i didn't request it, it would not have been co-reviewed.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 08, 2019, 02:06:52 AM
how do you know your proposal was co-reviewed by two programs?
You have two POs?
Quote from: Electrochemist on December 07, 2019, 01:57:57 PM
Has anyone heard from the DMR Metals & Metals Nanostructures, or DMR SSMC yet? I have a proposal that is co-reviewed in both programs.
How soon do program managers ask for abstracts after the panel reviews are over?
If we haven't been contacted for abstracts or revised budgets by now does this mean we are not getting the award?
Or is it still too early to tell?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 08, 2019, 05:37:13 AM
Quote from: Electrochemist on December 07, 2019, 01:57:57 PM
Has anyone heard from the DMR Metals & Metals Nanostructures, or DMR SSMC yet? I have a proposal that is co-reviewed in both programs.
How soon do program managers ask for abstracts after the panel reviews are over?
There's 1 SSMC award for this cycle thus far. I see a few Polymer awards.
Timeframe varies greatly.
As far as I know, until May or June of next year, it's still possible that the PD may contact you regarding the awards. So it's hard to say.
Quote from: Electrochemist on December 08, 2019, 08:17:05 AM
If we haven't been contacted for abstracts or revised budgets by now does this mean we are not getting the award?
Or is it still too early to tell?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 08, 2019, 05:37:13 AM
Quote from: Electrochemist on December 07, 2019, 01:57:57 PM
Has anyone heard from the DMR Metals & Metals Nanostructures, or DMR SSMC yet? I have a proposal that is co-reviewed in both programs.
How soon do program managers ask for abstracts after the panel reviews are over?
There's 1 SSMC award for this cycle thus far. I see a few Polymer awards.
Timeframe varies greatly.
I see,
but is it possible that co-reviewed can double the chance to be funded?
Quote from: Electrochemist on December 08, 2019, 08:12:28 AM
I submitted my CAREER to SSMC, they transferred it to the Metals program without asking me. I guess my proposal is at the boundary of both programs, so i asked if it could be co-reviewed. So the main program it is reviewed in now is Metals, but the program officer at SSMC said it would be reviewed there as well. If i didn't request it, it would not have been co-reviewed.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 08, 2019, 02:06:52 AM
how do you know your proposal was co-reviewed by two programs?
You have two POs?
Quote from: Electrochemist on December 07, 2019, 01:57:57 PM
Has anyone heard from the DMR Metals & Metals Nanostructures, or DMR SSMC yet? I have a proposal that is co-reviewed in both programs.
How soon do program managers ask for abstracts after the panel reviews are over?
Way too early to tell.
Quote from: Electrochemist on December 08, 2019, 08:17:05 AM
If we haven't been contacted for abstracts or revised budgets by now does this mean we are not getting the award?
Or is it still too early to tell?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 08, 2019, 05:37:13 AM
Quote from: Electrochemist on December 07, 2019, 01:57:57 PM
Has anyone heard from the DMR Metals & Metals Nanostructures, or DMR SSMC yet? I have a proposal that is co-reviewed in both programs.
How soon do program managers ask for abstracts after the panel reviews are over?
There's 1 SSMC award for this cycle thus far. I see a few Polymer awards.
Timeframe varies greatly.
Got a status date change on Friday, but still pending. Panel met on 11/19, but no contact from PO. Am I doomed?
which program?
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 08, 2019, 11:47:11 AM
Got a status date change on Friday, but still pending. Panel met on 11/19, but no contact from PO. Am I doomed?
Speculation about this year's cycle is probably premature at this point, especially considering that the 2020 budget is still up in the air and another federal shutdown can't be ruled out. I'd be very surprised to hear about many more funding decision until after the holidays.
Last cycle, my proposal was submitted July 16, but was not declined until the following May (i.e. 10 months later). A lot of folks will tell you that no news is good news, but no news can also mean that your proposal was simply forgotten in the chaos. The reviews for my proposal were decent, but I doubt that I was on the "bubble" for funding. I finally had to email the PM in late April/early May to have the official decision and reviews released on Fastlane. The decision delay only left me two months to update and revise the next proposal, and all of my follow-up emails to the PM went unanswered, so I ended up submitting to a different program.
Thanks for sharing your experience! I am sorry that you waited that long for a rejection. Good luck with this cycle!
I often wonder why NSF does not just release the panel reviews after the panel. I am ok with the decision pending for months because apparently the funding decision depends on many other factors beyond the reviews per se. But the reviews are fixed at the end of the panel (right?), what is the rationale behind not releasing it until months later?
Quote from: adamcolson on December 09, 2019, 06:40:26 AM
Speculation about this year's cycle is probably premature at this point, especially considering that the 2020 budget is still up in the air and another federal shutdown can't be ruled out. I'd be very surprised to hear about many more funding decision until after the holidays.
Last cycle, my proposal was submitted July 16, but was not declined until the following May (i.e. 10 months later). A lot of folks will tell you that no news is good news, but no news can also mean that your proposal was simply forgotten in the chaos. The reviews for my proposal were decent, but I doubt that I was on the "bubble" for funding. I finally had to email the PM in late April/early May to have the official decision and reviews released on Fastlane. The decision delay only left me two months to update and revise the next proposal, and all of my follow-up emails to the PM went unanswered, so I ended up submitting to a different program.
Still no status change or news from ECI. I really hope they start making decisions before the holiday break. There is a new PD this cycle. The previous PD was very fast. In the last cycle, I got the reject letter by the end of Oct! this is my last try so really have my fingers crossed.
Just noticed that my proposal status date was changed during the weekend, but the panel for my PD is today. Did anyone have a situation like this before? I know I am doomed. Just wondering why the status date could change right before the panel. feeling really stressful...
My status changed to recommended today after 2+ months since submitting an abstract and answers to questions. About how likely is it to be funded now?
Congrats!!!
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 09, 2019, 04:38:37 PM
My status changed to recommended today after 2+ months since submitting an abstract and answers to questions. About how likely is it to be funded now?
Likely!
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 09, 2019, 04:38:37 PM
My status changed to recommended today after 2+ months since submitting an abstract and answers to questions. About how likely is it to be funded now?
Quote from: wreck on December 09, 2019, 04:10:23 PM
Just noticed that my proposal status date was changed during the weekend, but the panel for my PD is today. Did anyone have a situation like this before? I know I am doomed. Just wondering why the status date could change right before the panel. feeling really stressful...
Some panels are not shown on the webpage. It may be held before.
Many new awards are just for PI transfers. They got the award in the previous years and move to a new institution, and the site shows them as new awards with start date before January.
Quote from: rsbacon on December 07, 2019, 01:47:16 PM
I highly doubt these proposals were awarded without external review. That just goes against standard practice. You do make the point I've been trying to make though: CAREER proposals submitted in July can have an award date and start date before January. There have been many examples of this.
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 07, 2019, 01:38:56 PM
I dunno. It's what I heard by well informed people.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 07, 2019, 01:31:34 PM
"Some of them didn't even go to external review"
Are you kidding me or I misunderstood your point, but how come they can be awarded without external review?
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 07, 2019, 01:16:44 PM
I was referring to the fact that these people all were awarded their initial CAREER awards within the first two months after submitting their proposals. Some of them didn't even go to external review. I could have been clearer about that, sorry.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 06, 2019, 01:34:56 PM
PECASE is a little different.
Prior to 2015 the awardees were announced annually making it easier to work into the FY budget.
2015 - 2017 PECASE recipients were announced on July 2, 2019 making it likely that they were awarded out of the FY19 budget.
There's no practical significance to the timing of the PECASE awards.
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 06, 2019, 12:48:27 PM
I have a question about aspiringacademic's point. I know a few people (all eventual PECASE winners) who submitted in July and were awarded before October. Does that mean they were a part of the previous year's award winners? What is the practical significance of this? Not that it matters in my case. (Still waiting to hear back from PD after sending in abstract 2+ months ago, well into FY2020 even though the budget hasn't technically passed yet. All my colleagues who say they envy my position don't understand how stressful this is.)
Right, but as other posters aptly pointed out, there are exceptions to every rule.
Quote from: rusunyii on December 09, 2019, 11:01:30 PM
Many new awards are just for PI transfers. They got the award in the previous years and move to a new institution, and the site shows them as new awards with start date before January.
Quote from: rsbacon on December 07, 2019, 01:47:16 PM
I highly doubt these proposals were awarded without external review. That just goes against standard practice. You do make the point I've been trying to make though: CAREER proposals submitted in July can have an award date and start date before January. There have been many examples of this.
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 07, 2019, 01:38:56 PM
I dunno. It's what I heard by well informed people.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 07, 2019, 01:31:34 PM
"Some of them didn't even go to external review"
Are you kidding me or I misunderstood your point, but how come they can be awarded without external review?
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 07, 2019, 01:16:44 PM
I was referring to the fact that these people all were awarded their initial CAREER awards within the first two months after submitting their proposals. Some of them didn't even go to external review. I could have been clearer about that, sorry.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 06, 2019, 01:34:56 PM
PECASE is a little different.
Prior to 2015 the awardees were announced annually making it easier to work into the FY budget.
2015 - 2017 PECASE recipients were announced on July 2, 2019 making it likely that they were awarded out of the FY19 budget.
There's no practical significance to the timing of the PECASE awards.
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 06, 2019, 12:48:27 PM
I have a question about aspiringacademic's point. I know a few people (all eventual PECASE winners) who submitted in July and were awarded before October. Does that mean they were a part of the previous year's award winners? What is the practical significance of this? Not that it matters in my case. (Still waiting to hear back from PD after sending in abstract 2+ months ago, well into FY2020 even though the budget hasn't technically passed yet. All my colleagues who say they envy my position don't understand how stressful this is.)
Is anybody got awarded
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 11, 2019, 09:59:50 AM
Do you know how many now?
About 88 have been published.
Mathematics & Physical Sciences - 18
CISE - 1
Geosciences - 2
Engineering - 53
Biological Sciences - 12
Education & HR - 2
Search criteria used:
reference code - 1045
award date on or after - 10/1/19
start date on or after - 1/1/20
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 11, 2019, 11:02:41 AM
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 11, 2019, 09:59:50 AM
Do you know how many now?
About 88 have been published.
Mathematics & Physical Sciences - 18
CISE - 1
Geosciences - 2
Engineering - 53
Biological Sciences - 12
Education & HR - 2
Search criteria used:
reference code - 1045
award date on or after - 10/1/19
start date on or after - 1/1/20
Thanks!
thanks,
do you know how many awards per program will be made every year?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 11, 2019, 11:02:41 AM
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 11, 2019, 09:59:50 AM
Do you know how many now?
About 88 have been published.
Mathematics & Physical Sciences - 18
CISE - 1
Geosciences - 2
Engineering - 53
Biological Sciences - 12
Education & HR - 2
Search criteria used:
reference code - 1045
award date on or after - 10/1/19
start date on or after - 1/1/20
Quote from: lightofhope on December 11, 2019, 12:02:53 PM
thanks,
do you know how many awards per program will be made every year?
There's no exact number. The program solicitation says about 450 awards.
so for each individual division, there is no statistic for each year?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 11, 2019, 12:35:57 PM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 11, 2019, 12:02:53 PM
thanks,
do you know how many awards per program will be made every year?
There's no exact number. The program solicitation says about 450 awards.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 11, 2019, 01:02:04 PM
so for each individual division, there is no statistic for each year?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 11, 2019, 12:35:57 PM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 11, 2019, 12:02:53 PM
thanks,
do you know how many awards per program will be made every year?
There's no exact number. The program solicitation says about 450 awards.
There's no exact number of awards for each division.
You can go through the award search for each year to get an idea of the number of awards.
CAREER Funding Rate FY2017
CISE ~ 25%
GEO ~ 25%
ENG ~15%
BIO ~ 13%
EHR ~ 8%
MPS ~ 22%
SBE ~ 15%
*source - NSF
Is anyone in this forum from EAR? I have not seen anything posted re EAR career awards and I find this very strange. Any updates are much appreciated.
thanks
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 11, 2019, 01:51:54 PM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 11, 2019, 01:02:04 PM
so for each individual division, there is no statistic for each year?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 11, 2019, 12:35:57 PM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 11, 2019, 12:02:53 PM
thanks,
do you know how many awards per program will be made every year?
There's no exact number. The program solicitation says about 450 awards.
There's no exact number of awards for each division.
You can go through the award search for each year to get an idea of the number of awards.
CAREER Funding Rate FY2017
CISE ~ 25%
GEO ~ 25%
ENG ~15%
BIO ~ 13%
EHR ~ 8%
MPS ~ 22%
SBE ~ 15%
*source - NSF
It's not specific to CAREER but I've noticed that once a date change is made (for a rejection), it takes weeks and even months for reviews be available. In the good old fastlane days, it used to be 3 days tops. Process seems to be taking longer and longer even when the decision is made.
I just spoke to my PD and it was a no to my career proposal (DMR). My reviews are VG/G/VG/VG. Does anyone know whether is there a cutoff that we need to get in order to recommend for an award?
Quote from: ocean2428 on December 12, 2019, 01:01:31 PM
I just spoke to my PD and it was a no to my career proposal (DMR). My reviews are VG/G/VG/VG. Does anyone know whether is there a cutoff that we need to get in order to recommend for an award?
I think the cutoff depends on the field and the panel, but I've heard that some PD's require at least one E. I've received other awards with similar scores (VG) however.
I also have one pending with DMR. Was this accompanied by a change in the status date in fastlane and released reviews, or have they already made decisions and are simply waiting to notify unsuccessful applicants?
Last round I waited until April/May for the decision which made revisions difficult. If the decisions are already finalized I may reach out as well.
Quote from: ocean2428 on December 12, 2019, 01:01:31 PM
I just spoke to my PD and it was a no to my career proposal (DMR). My reviews are VG/G/VG/VG. Does anyone know whether is there a cutoff that we need to get in order to recommend for an award?
I applied to CMP as well and haven't heard anything. Did it sound like decisions were already made/funded candidates were already informed? Did you get the full comments or just the overview scores?
Your scores sound very good so hopefully you have a chance for next year!
Has anyone heard from CMMI (ENG)? Specifically BMMB
Thanks!
Nothing has changed in my Fastlane. All these happened over the phone. I have not seen the comments yet. PD said it will release most likely in January. Apparently they had panel reviews for all DMR career proposals last month. Sounds like they already concluded DMR-CMP career proposals ( I could be wrong but that is what I understood over the phone). PD has mentioned about the budget as well. He said by March they will know better about the NSF budget since the final bill hasn't approved yet. However, he specifically mentioned that they cant recommend mine. I guess they need better ratings as some of you mentioned at least one E. I am kind of surprised with my ratings I was expecting at least one E. I wonder this has something to do with my exciting Awards. This year I have applied to the DOE early career as well but all four reviewers said I have extensive funding from NSF and DOE more or less the same research but they are not. It was like a 10% overlap. Of course, I didn't see the DOE comments before I sent my NSF career. Otherwise, I would have included a paragraph explaining the situation. Has anyone of you experience this issue? This is really stressful since my institution would like to see (although they don't say it explicitly) a career award in order to get tenure.
Quote from: roccabis@egr.msu.edu on December 13, 2019, 07:28:01 AM
Has anyone heard from CMMI (ENG)? Specifically BMMB
Thanks!
I have the same question. I haven't heard any rejections nor recommendations for CMMI programs.
Quote from: ocean2428 on December 13, 2019, 08:24:04 AM
Nothing has changed in my Fastlane. All these happened over the phone. I have not seen the comments yet. PD said it will release most likely in January. Apparently they had panel reviews for all DMR career proposals last month. Sounds like they already concluded DMR-CMP career proposals ( I could be wrong but that is what I understood over the phone). PD has mentioned about the budget as well. He said by March they will know better about the NSF budget since the final bill hasn't approved yet. However, he specifically mentioned that they cant recommend mine. I guess they need better ratings as some of you mentioned at least one E. I am kind of surprised with my ratings I was expecting at least one E. I wonder this has something to do with my exciting Awards. This year I have applied to the DOE early career as well but all four reviewers said I have extensive funding from NSF and DOE more or less the same research but they are not. It was like a 10% overlap. Of course, I didn't see the DOE comments before I sent my NSF career. Otherwise, I would have included a paragraph explaining the situation. Has anyone of you experience this issue? This is really stressful since my institution would like to see (although they don't say it explicitly) a career award in order to get tenure.
Thank you for sharing this information.
Do you know what is the date of the panel? The decision was being made during the panel meeting or after?
Thanks. I do not any experience>
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 13, 2019, 10:16:46 AM
Quote from: roccabis@egr.msu.edu on December 13, 2019, 07:28:01 AM
Has anyone heard from CMMI (ENG)? Specifically BMMB
Thanks!
I have the same question. I haven't heard any rejections nor recommendations for CMMI programs.
I am on the same boat as well 😊
I was requested to send the updated current and pending support, public abstract, and revise budget within the two week before the Thanksgiving week. Until now, still no update.
Another applicant was requested to send public abstract on the Thanksgiving Week. His has already officially funded.
The same PO for these two proposals.
I am so worried about my proposal. What possibly happened?
Should I contact the PO and ask what is going on with my proposal?
I think the start date of the proposals makes your friends getting funded before yours. I've noticed that they always start funding the ones with earlier start dates. May I ask when was yours and your friend's start dates.
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 02:00:05 PM
I think the start date of the proposals makes your friends getting funded before yours. I've noticed that they always start funding the ones with earlier start dates. May I ask when was yours and your friend's start dates.
Mine is January 1.
His is much later than mine.
I was asked for a public abstract and budget reduction (no questions) in early November. No update so far and I start stressing out. My program has already funded a few CAREERs. My start date is July 2020. I wonder whether it is possible that one may not get funded after submitting a public abstract and a budget reduction! Please advise.
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:11:16 PM
I was asked for a public abstract and budget reduction (no questions) in early November. No update so far and I start stressing out. My program has already funded a few CAREERs. My start date is July 2020. I wonder whether it is possible that one may not get funded after submitting a public abstract and a budget reduction! Please advise.
I have the same question. PO indicated that my public abstract is very nice. He asked me to increase the budget.
Is it wise to ask him the status?
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:11:16 PM
I was asked for a public abstract and budget reduction (no questions) in early November. No update so far and I start stressing out. My program has already funded a few CAREERs. My start date is July 2020. I wonder whether it is possible that one may not get funded after submitting a public abstract and a budget reduction! Please advise.
Which program is this for?
I think its still very likely you will get funded. I don't have too much experience but on all the collaborative grants I've been on, when they asked for a public abstract you were funded.
ENG - ECCS
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 15, 2019, 06:20:22 PM
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:11:16 PM
I was asked for a public abstract and budget reduction (no questions) in early November. No update so far and I start stressing out. My program has already funded a few CAREERs. My start date is July 2020. I wonder whether it is possible that one may not get funded after submitting a public abstract and a budget reduction! Please advise.
I have the same question. PO indicated that my public abstract is very nice. He asked me to increase the budget.
Is it wise to ask him the status?
I am afraid to do so. If you are able to do so, please share with me your experience.
Quote from: Nina Rogers on December 15, 2019, 06:25:52 PM
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:11:16 PM
I was asked for a public abstract and budget reduction (no questions) in early November. No update so far and I start stressing out. My program has already funded a few CAREERs. My start date is July 2020. I wonder whether it is possible that one may not get funded after submitting a public abstract and a budget reduction! Please advise.
Which program is this for?
I think its still very likely you will get funded. I don't have too much experience but on all the collaborative grants I've been on, when they asked for a public abstract you were funded.
ENG - ECCS
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:40:39 PM
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 15, 2019, 06:20:22 PM
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:11:16 PM
I was asked for a public abstract and budget reduction (no questions) in early November. No update so far and I start stressing out. My program has already funded a few CAREERs. My start date is July 2020. I wonder whether it is possible that one may not get funded after submitting a public abstract and a budget reduction! Please advise.
I have the same question. PO indicated that my public abstract is very nice. He asked me to increase the budget.
Is it wise to ask him the status?
I am afraid to do so. If you are able to do so, please share with me your experience.
Did you submit your revised budget via Fastlane? can you see the revised budget? Mine still shows the original budget. I am kind of worried about they have not got my revised budget.
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 15, 2019, 06:47:12 PM
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:40:39 PM
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 15, 2019, 06:20:22 PM
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:11:16 PM
I was asked for a public abstract and budget reduction (no questions) in early November. No update so far and I start stressing out. My program has already funded a few CAREERs. My start date is July 2020. I wonder whether it is possible that one may not get funded after submitting a public abstract and a budget reduction! Please advise.
I have the same question. PO indicated that my public abstract is very nice. He asked me to increase the budget.
Is it wise to ask him the status?
I am afraid to do so. If you are able to do so, please share with me your experience.
Did you submit your revised budget via Fastlane? can you see the revised budget? Mine still shows the original budget. I am kind of worried about they have not got my revised budget.
In fastlane, I see the original budget and the revised budget.
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 15, 2019, 06:47:12 PM
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:40:39 PM
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 15, 2019, 06:20:22 PM
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:11:16 PM
I was asked for a public abstract and budget reduction (no questions) in early November. No update so far and I start stressing out. My program has already funded a few CAREERs. My start date is July 2020. I wonder whether it is possible that one may not get funded after submitting a public abstract and a budget reduction! Please advise.
I have the same question. PO indicated that my public abstract is very nice. He asked me to increase the budget.
Is it wise to ask him the status?
I am afraid to do so. If you are able to do so, please share with me your experience.
Did you submit your revised budget via Fastlane? can you see the revised budget? Mine still shows the original budget. I am kind of worried about they have not got my revised budget.
If your pre-award officer (in your school) has submitted it, you should be able to see it in fastlane, I guess. Maybe, you need to double-check with him.
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:56:45 PM
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 15, 2019, 06:47:12 PM
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:40:39 PM
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 15, 2019, 06:20:22 PM
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:11:16 PM
I was asked for a public abstract and budget reduction (no questions) in early November. No update so far and I start stressing out. My program has already funded a few CAREERs. My start date is July 2020. I wonder whether it is possible that one may not get funded after submitting a public abstract and a budget reduction! Please advise.
I have the same question. PO indicated that my public abstract is very nice. He asked me to increase the budget.
Is it wise to ask him the status?
I am afraid to do so. If you are able to do so, please share with me your experience.
Did you submit your revised budget via Fastlane? can you see the revised budget? Mine still shows the original budget. I am kind of worried about they have not got my revised budget.
In fastlane, I see the original budget and the revised budget.
You see your revised budget from proposal status or elsewhere? Do you mind send me the link? Thank you.
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 15, 2019, 07:09:46 PM
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:56:45 PM
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 15, 2019, 06:47:12 PM
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:40:39 PM
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 15, 2019, 06:20:22 PM
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:11:16 PM
I was asked for a public abstract and budget reduction (no questions) in early November. No update so far and I start stressing out. My program has already funded a few CAREERs. My start date is July 2020. I wonder whether it is possible that one may not get funded after submitting a public abstract and a budget reduction! Please advise.
I have the same question. PO indicated that my public abstract is very nice. He asked me to increase the budget.
Is it wise to ask him the status?
I am afraid to do so. If you are able to do so, please share with me your experience.
Did you submit your revised budget via Fastlane? can you see the revised budget? Mine still shows the original budget. I am kind of worried about they have not got my revised budget.
In fastlane, I see the original budget and the revised budget.
You see your revised budget from proposal status or elsewhere? Do you mind send me the link? Thank you.
https://www.fastlane.nsf.gov/servlet/FastLane.PIMgmt3
hit Revise Submitted Proposal Budget button
enter your credential
select your current CAREER
View the budget
You should see your original budget and the revised budget one after the other
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 15, 2019, 07:09:46 PM
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:56:45 PM
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 15, 2019, 06:47:12 PM
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:40:39 PM
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 15, 2019, 06:20:22 PM
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:11:16 PM
I was asked for a public abstract and budget reduction (no questions) in early November. No update so far and I start stressing out. My program has already funded a few CAREERs. My start date is July 2020. I wonder whether it is possible that one may not get funded after submitting a public abstract and a budget reduction! Please advise.
I have the same question. PO indicated that my public abstract is very nice. He asked me to increase the budget.
Is it wise to ask him the status?
I am afraid to do so. If you are able to do so, please share with me your experience.
Did you submit your revised budget via Fastlane? can you see the revised budget? Mine still shows the original budget. I am kind of worried about they have not got my revised budget.
In fastlane, I see the original budget and the revised budget.
You see your revised budget from proposal status or elsewhere? Do you mind send me the link? Thank you.
If the link I just sent is broken, use this one instead and follow the same steps
https://www.fastlane.nsf.gov/servlet/gov.nsf.fastlane.ufl.UFLLoginDispatcher
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 07:13:57 PM
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 15, 2019, 07:09:46 PM
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:56:45 PM
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 15, 2019, 06:47:12 PM
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:40:39 PM
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 15, 2019, 06:20:22 PM
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:11:16 PM
I was asked for a public abstract and budget reduction (no questions) in early November. No update so far and I start stressing out. My program has already funded a few CAREERs. My start date is July 2020. I wonder whether it is possible that one may not get funded after submitting a public abstract and a budget reduction! Please advise.
I have the same question. PO indicated that my public abstract is very nice. He asked me to increase the budget.
Is it wise to ask him the status?
I am afraid to do so. If you are able to do so, please share with me your experience.
Did you submit your revised budget via Fastlane? can you see the revised budget? Mine still shows the original budget. I am kind of worried about they have not got my revised budget.
In fastlane, I see the original budget and the revised budget.
You see your revised budget from proposal status or elsewhere? Do you mind send me the link? Thank you.
https://www.fastlane.nsf.gov/servlet/FastLane.PIMgmt3
hit Revise Submitted Proposal Budget button
enter your credential
select your current CAREER
View the budget
You should see your original budget and the revised budget one after the other
Got it. Thank you!
which program?
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 15, 2019, 06:47:12 PM
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:40:39 PM
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 15, 2019, 06:20:22 PM
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:11:16 PM
I was asked for a public abstract and budget reduction (no questions) in early November. No update so far and I start stressing out. My program has already funded a few CAREERs. My start date is July 2020. I wonder whether it is possible that one may not get funded after submitting a public abstract and a budget reduction! Please advise.
I have the same question. PO indicated that my public abstract is very nice. He asked me to increase the budget.
Is it wise to ask him the status?
I am afraid to do so. If you are able to do so, please share with me your experience.
Did you submit your revised budget via Fastlane? can you see the revised budget? Mine still shows the original budget. I am kind of worried about they have not got my revised budget.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 15, 2019, 07:23:01 PM
which program?
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 15, 2019, 06:47:12 PM
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:40:39 PM
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 15, 2019, 06:20:22 PM
Quote from: zr10 on December 15, 2019, 06:11:16 PM
I was asked for a public abstract and budget reduction (no questions) in early November. No update so far and I start stressing out. My program has already funded a few CAREERs. My start date is July 2020. I wonder whether it is possible that one may not get funded after submitting a public abstract and a budget reduction! Please advise.
I have the same question. PO indicated that my public abstract is very nice. He asked me to increase the budget.
Is it wise to ask him the status?
I am afraid to do so. If you are able to do so, please share with me your experience.
Did you submit your revised budget via Fastlane? can you see the revised budget? Mine still shows the original budget. I am kind of worried about they have not got my revised budget.
ENG-ECCS
Did anyone get news from III-CISE?
not yet; mine was pending since mid-september
For those who have been asked for public abstracts, it was 11 weeks between the time I submitted my requested supplementary materials and the time my proposal was recommended a week ago. In that time, my program awarded other proposals. Just because someone else was awarded before you, does not mean you will not be. That is true even if you have not heard back from the program officer yet -- I have been in the situation where I received questions and a request for an abstract for a non-CAREER NSF grant after several awards had already been made, and ended up getting it. I really hope that I am selected to receive this particular award. I'll let folks know if and when that happens, for benchmarking purposes. It seems like some recommendations and awards move through the system very quickly, but that is not always the case. That being said, the wait can indeed feel brutal!
Anyone heard from any CMMI programs? A lot of my colleagues got rejections or informal recommendations but CMMI seems to be silent for everyone, not sure why
Quote from: bazinga58 on December 16, 2019, 10:02:52 AM
For those who have been asked for public abstracts, it was 11 weeks between the time I submitted my requested supplementary materials and the time my proposal was recommended a week ago. In that time, my program awarded other proposals. Just because someone else was awarded before you, does not mean you will not be. That is true even if you have not heard back from the program officer yet -- I have been in the situation where I received questions and a request for an abstract for a non-CAREER NSF grant after several awards had already been made, and ended up getting it. I really hope that I am selected to receive this particular award. I'll let folks know if and when that happens, for benchmarking purposes. It seems like some recommendations and awards move through the system very quickly, but that is not always the case. That being said, the wait can indeed feel brutal!
Thanks for the heads-up!
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 16, 2019, 11:32:40 AM
Anyone heard from any CMMI programs? A lot of my colleagues got rejections or informal recommendations but CMMI seems to be silent for everyone, not sure why
My PD told me "no one in CMMI will hear before mid to late December"..so I am anxiously waiting!
Thanks for sharing this info. Still I can check if rejection is coming...
Quote from: roccabis@egr.msu.edu on December 17, 2019, 07:07:49 AM
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 16, 2019, 11:32:40 AM
Anyone heard from any CMMI programs? A lot of my colleagues got rejections or informal recommendations but CMMI seems to be silent for everyone, not sure why
My PD told me "no one in CMMI will hear before mid to late December"..so I am anxiously waiting!
Same here. Thank you a lot for the information! Last year I received my rejection before Thanksgiving. Did the PD give any reason for the coordinated delay? Just curious.
Quote from: roccabis@egr.msu.edu on December 17, 2019, 07:07:49 AM
My PD told me "no one in CMMI will hear before mid to late December"..so I am anxiously waiting!
Thanks for the information.
Has anyone heard from the DMR CMMT division? Any rejections or awards yet?
Quote from: roccabis@egr.msu.edu on December 17, 2019, 07:07:49 AM
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 16, 2019, 11:32:40 AM
Anyone heard from any CMMI programs? A lot of my colleagues got rejections or informal recommendations but CMMI seems to be silent for everyone, not sure why
My PD told me "no one in CMMI will hear before mid to late December"..so I am anxiously waiting!
Thank you for the information! Do you mind sharing when you heard about this? I am anxiously waiting too!
My CAREER is in CMMI ECI. The date changed yesterday to 12/16/20109 but the status is still pending. Is this a bad sign?
Quote from: ttbeaver on December 17, 2019, 12:29:07 PM
My CAREER is in CMMI ECI. The date changed yesterday to 12/16/20109 but the status is still pending. Is this a bad sign?
In the last cycle in Chronicle I read about a case where the status date changed without any contact from the PO, but ultimately the guy got awarded.
Quote from: ttbeaver on December 17, 2019, 12:29:07 PM
My CAREER is in CMMI ECI. The date changed yesterday to 12/16/20109 but the status is still pending. Is this a bad sign?
My past experience with non-CAREER NSF grants has been that once you see an update on Fastlane without PO contact, it means reviews have been uploaded and rejection will follow. But this might be completely different for CAREER awards.
Hello: Did anyone hear any word from the CHE about the NSF CAREER?
If you go to twitter and search "NSF Career", you will find some awards news
Quote from: happy123 on December 17, 2019, 04:03:54 PM
Hello: Did anyone hear any word from the CHE about the NSF CAREER?
Quote from: happy123 on December 17, 2019, 04:03:54 PM
Hello: Did anyone hear any word from the CHE about the NSF CAREER?
The Division of Chemistry has published 12 CAREER awards for this cycle thus far.
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 17, 2019, 09:42:33 AM
Quote from: roccabis@egr.msu.edu on December 17, 2019, 07:07:49 AM
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 16, 2019, 11:32:40 AM
Anyone heard from any CMMI programs? A lot of my colleagues got rejections or informal recommendations but CMMI seems to be silent for everyone, not sure why
My PD told me "no one in CMMI will hear before mid to late December"..so I am anxiously waiting!
Thank you for the information! Do you mind sharing when you heard about this? I am anxiously waiting too!
I have spoke with her on November 19.
She said "In CMMI no one will hear before mid to late December. The sure "yes" and sure "no" should hear before the end of the year. The "maybes" will not hear before 2020. That is if there isn't another government shutdown"
I have found couple of CMMI panels (1-day) happening this week. How likely it is to have a panel on CAREER proposals this late?
https://www.nsf.gov/events/advisory.jsp
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on December 18, 2019, 06:31:28 AM
I have found couple of CMMI panels (1-day) happening this week. How likely it is to have a panel on CAREER proposals this late?
https://www.nsf.gov/events/advisory.jsp
0%
All CAREER panels are complete at this point. Panels being held now are for solicitations with due dates most likely from September and October. November panels are typically scheduled for January and February.
Quote from: roccabis@egr.msu.edu on December 18, 2019, 05:28:28 AM
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 17, 2019, 09:42:33 AM
Quote from: roccabis@egr.msu.edu on December 17, 2019, 07:07:49 AM
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 16, 2019, 11:32:40 AM
Anyone heard from any CMMI programs? A lot of my colleagues got rejections or informal recommendations but CMMI seems to be silent for everyone, not sure why
My PD told me "no one in CMMI will hear before mid to late December"..so I am anxiously waiting!
I have spoke with her on November 19.
She said "In CMMI no one will hear before mid to late December. The sure "yes" and sure "no" should hear before the end of the year. The "maybes" will not hear before 2020. That is if there isn't another government shutdown"
Thank you! I guess then it would be fair to say that if we don't hear within the next 2 days, we are in the "maybe" category? I don't think NSF is operational during holiday week, right?
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 18, 2019, 06:41:47 AM
Quote from: roccabis@egr.msu.edu on December 18, 2019, 05:28:28 AM
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 17, 2019, 09:42:33 AM
Quote from: roccabis@egr.msu.edu on December 17, 2019, 07:07:49 AM
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 16, 2019, 11:32:40 AM
Anyone heard from any CMMI programs? A lot of my colleagues got rejections or informal recommendations but CMMI seems to be silent for everyone, not sure why
My PD told me "no one in CMMI will hear before mid to late December"..so I am anxiously waiting!
I have spoke with her on November 19.
She said "In CMMI no one will hear before mid to late December. The sure "yes" and sure "no" should hear before the end of the year. The "maybes" will not hear before 2020. That is if there isn't another government shutdown"
Thank you! I guess then it would be fair to say that if we don't hear within the next 2 days, we are in the "maybe" category? I don't think NSF is operational during holiday week, right?
I'm not sure if NSF is somehow exempt, but the only official holidays for federal workers are Christmas day and New Year's day. It will probably depend on the individual PM and whether they plan on taking personal time off. In theory, rejection letters could go out at 10 pm (EST) on Christmas Eve.
Btw, just for everyone's information, I have another grant pending with CMMI since the end of May. So CMMI seems to be slower than usual overall.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 18, 2019, 06:39:17 AM
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on December 18, 2019, 06:31:28 AM
I have found couple of CMMI panels (1-day) happening this week. How likely it is to have a panel on CAREER proposals this late?
https://www.nsf.gov/events/advisory.jsp
0%
All CAREER panels are complete at this point. Panels being held now are for solicitations with due dates most likely from September and October. November panels are typically scheduled for January and February.
Thank you. The PD changed that's why I thought the panel might be delayed. But your timeline seems logical. It's too late to have a CAREER panel now.
Quote from: ttbeaver on December 17, 2019, 12:29:07 PM
My CAREER is in CMMI ECI. The date changed yesterday to 12/16/20109 but the status is still pending. Is this a bad sign?
No news is still no news. Usually this corresponds with rejection, but there are always a few exceptions.
My proposal's status date is July 18, 2019. So far, from this year's CAREER award search, I found that my PO yet not funded any proposal. Should I contact my PO since the status date is not updated after the proposal submission?
Quote from: happy123 on December 18, 2019, 09:30:20 AM
My proposal's status date is July 18, 2019. So far, from this year's CAREER award search, I found that my PO yet not funded any proposal. Should I contact my PO since the status date is not updated after the proposal submission?
You can contact your PO for a general inquiry but I'd stray away from being too upfront. You just want to know a general timeframe of when to expect a decision. You want to phrase it in such a way that you'd avoid the general "6 months" response.
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 18, 2019, 06:41:47 AM
Quote from: roccabis@egr.msu.edu on December 18, 2019, 05:28:28 AM
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 17, 2019, 09:42:33 AM
Quote from: roccabis@egr.msu.edu on December 17, 2019, 07:07:49 AM
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 16, 2019, 11:32:40 AM
Anyone heard from any CMMI programs? A lot of my colleagues got rejections or informal recommendations but CMMI seems to be silent for everyone, not sure why
My PD told me "no one in CMMI will hear before mid to late December"..so I am anxiously waiting!
I have spoke with her on November 19.
She said "In CMMI no one will hear before mid to late December. The sure "yes" and sure "no" should hear before the end of the year. The "maybes" will not hear before 2020. That is if there isn't another government shutdown"
Thank you! I guess then it would be fair to say that if we don't hear within the next 2 days, we are in the "maybe" category? I don't think NSF is operational during holiday week, right?
Not necessarily. Several POs will take leave this week and next so no "news" could simply mean they're out of the office.
Pulling the data (with the constraints suggested earlier) and plugging into JMP, it looks like the directorate of ENG is ahead in announced awards, with CBET as the leading organization.
Dir. Count
BIO 18
CSE 1
EHR 2
ENG 70
GEO 3
MPS 30
Total 124
Organ. Count
AGS 3
AST 1
CBET 39
CCF 1
CHE 12
DEB 4
DMR 11
DMS 4
DRL 1
ECCS 29
EEC 2
HRD 1
IOS 1
MCB 13
PHY 2
Total 124
Thank you very much to those who replied. I received a call today for amending the budget, although status date is yet the same.
Congrats then!
Quote from: happy123 on December 18, 2019, 02:36:02 PM
Thank you very much to those who replied. I received a call today for amending the budget, although status date is yet the same.
My PD never funded any Career proposal
it's so strange
she has been with NSF for several years.
Quote from: happy123 on December 18, 2019, 09:30:20 AM
My proposal's status date is July 18, 2019. So far, from this year's CAREER award search, I found that my PO yet not funded any proposal. Should I contact my PO since the status date is not updated after the proposal submission?
Thanks. Let's see what happens! Last year, my friend got rejection after three months of amending the budget.
Quote from: happy123 on December 18, 2019, 03:44:44 PM
Thanks. Let's see what happens! Last year, my friend got rejection after three months of amending the budget.
Which division did your friend applied to? Did PO ask for public abstract?
He applied in the division of material research. No, PO did not ask him for public abstract.
2 of my colleagues got positive news from CMMI yesterday. I guess there will be some movement in CMMI soon
Quote from: happy123 on December 19, 2019, 05:34:54 AM
He applied in the division of material research. No, PO did not ask him for public abstract.
Thanks.
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 19, 2019, 05:47:16 AM
2 of my colleagues got positive news from CMMI yesterday. I guess there will be some movement in CMMI soon
What kind of positive news?
Anyone got news from CISE-III or RI ?
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 19, 2019, 06:23:25 AM
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 19, 2019, 05:47:16 AM
2 of my colleagues got positive news from CMMI yesterday. I guess there will be some movement in CMMI soon
What kind of positive news?
Emails asking for public abstract
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 19, 2019, 06:29:01 AM
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 19, 2019, 06:23:25 AM
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 19, 2019, 05:47:16 AM
2 of my colleagues got positive news from CMMI yesterday. I guess there will be some movement in CMMI soon
What kind of positive news?
Emails asking for public abstract
Thanks.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 19, 2019, 06:24:39 AM
Anyone got news from CISE-III or RI ?
Mine is still pending. PO said decisions will be made shortly.
does PO contact with you previously about budget and abstract?
So far I haven't be reached yet.
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 19, 2019, 06:56:53 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 19, 2019, 06:24:39 AM
Anyone got news from CISE-III or RI ?
Mine is still pending. PO said decisions will be made shortly.
Just check NSF awarding and here is the number:
Direct For Mathematical & Physical Scien (30)
Direct For Computer & Info Scie & Enginr (1)
Directorate For Geosciences (3)
Directorate For Engineering (71)
Direct For Biological Sciences (18)
Direct For Education and Human Resources (2)
Has anyone heard back from PHY division?
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 19, 2019, 05:47:16 AM
2 of my colleagues got positive news from CMMI yesterday. I guess there will be some movement in CMMI soon
Which program(s) in cmmi ?
me neither
Quote from: lightofhope on December 19, 2019, 10:03:12 AM
does PO contact with you previously about budget and abstract?
So far I haven't be reached yet.
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 19, 2019, 06:56:53 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 19, 2019, 06:24:39 AM
Anyone got news from CISE-III or RI ?
Mine is still pending. PO said decisions will be made shortly.
so far 2 awards from NSF awarding database.
Quote from: raise_102 on December 19, 2019, 10:36:01 AM
Has anyone heard back from PHY division?
Would like to take a moment to say thank goodness for no government shutdown to slow down this process!
Quote from: rsbacon on December 19, 2019, 03:40:41 PM
Would like to take a moment to say thank goodness for no government shutdown to slow down this process!
I agree
Today my CAREER proposal's status date is changed from pending to pending while PO is same. Does it means rejection on a way? Any comments will be much appreciated.
what do you mean "from pending to pending "?
Just changed the date?
do they approve the spending bill? awesome!!!
Quote from: rsbacon on December 19, 2019, 03:40:41 PM
Would like to take a moment to say thank goodness for no government shutdown to slow down this process!
Quote from: lightofhope on December 19, 2019, 06:02:54 PM
what do you mean "from pending to pending "?
Just changed the date?
Yes, date change, but still pending with the same PO.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 19, 2019, 06:09:22 PM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 19, 2019, 06:02:54 PM
what do you mean "from pending to pending "?
Just changed the date?
Yes, date change, but still pending with the same PO.
Yes, just the date changed from July 18 to Dec 19.
but this happened after you sent the updated budget, right?
Quote from: happy123 on December 19, 2019, 06:16:55 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 19, 2019, 06:09:22 PM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 19, 2019, 06:02:54 PM
what do you mean "from pending to pending "?
Just changed the date?
Yes, date change, but still pending with the same PO.
Yes, just the date changed from July 18 to Dec 19.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 19, 2019, 07:16:10 PM
but this happened after you sent the updated budget, right?
Quote from: happy123 on December 19, 2019, 06:16:55 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 19, 2019, 06:09:22 PM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 19, 2019, 06:02:54 PM
what do you mean "from pending to pending "?
Just changed the date?
Yes, date change, but still pending with the same PO.
Yes, just the date changed from July 18 to Dec 19.
No, it was just a joke call from my friend from a private number. I immediately found about it; he just celebrated something with me in this way. I'm sorry for any confusion. No call or email from PO....
Anyone hear anything from EAR?
Quote from: J.dodo1988 on December 19, 2019, 07:59:36 PM
Anyone hear anything from EAR?
No news from EAR. My date has not even changed since July.
I'm wondering why some div or programs can send out so many awards while other div or programs are still waiting
I think I saw some awards from twitter, but not 100 percent sure.
Quote from: anxiety_rising on December 19, 2019, 11:09:06 PM
Quote from: J.dodo1988 on December 19, 2019, 07:59:36 PM
Anyone hear anything from EAR?
No news from EAR. My date has not even changed since July.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 20, 2019, 03:39:00 AM
I'm wondering why some div or programs can send out so many awards while other div or programs are still waiting
On a whole, search prior years to get a feel for timing.
For CISE, you'll see that the majority of awards aren't published until the following calendar year and awards are still published well into April. I did a search for CAREER 2017 and awards were still being published in April 2018. For CAREER 2018 there was a government shutdown at the beginning of 2019, which didn't seem to delay the timeframe of awards based on prior years.
Published isn't the same as recommended/contacted by PO for abstract/budget revisions. However, it's safe to say, based on prior years, that December is early to be contacted. I would venture to assume things will linger into January/February before most know which way the winds are blowing.
thank you so much for the info.
it's so painful and anxious.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 20, 2019, 04:49:24 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 20, 2019, 03:39:00 AM
I'm wondering why some div or programs can send out so many awards while other div or programs are still waiting
On a whole, search prior years to get a feel for timing.
For CISE, you'll see that the majority of awards aren't published until the following calendar year and awards are still published well into April. I did a search for CAREER 2017 and awards were still being published in April 2018. For CAREER 2018 there was a government shutdown at the beginning of 2019, which didn't seem to delay the timeframe of awards based on prior years.
Published isn't the same as recommended/contacted by PO for abstract/budget revisions. However, it's safe to say, based on prior years, that December is early to be contacted. I would venture to assume things will linger into January/February before most know which way the winds are blowing.
Be weary of Christmas Eve (12/24). In previous years that was the day many received their declined emails. The NSF's way of saying, "Merry Christmas".
https://twitter.com/rebicca/status/1199988202607718400?s=20
I do get a little chuckle from it as my wife sees Research.gov on the Extended Monitor while we're binge watching Star Wars and I refresh the screen a few times for any sign of an update.
At any rate, assuming you do not reach out to the PO or if the PO isn't willing to clue you in on what's going on, NSF rejections are sent at 9PM EST. If you don't get a reject email at 9PM you're safe for another day. I feel somewhat victorious when I check at 9PM and I haven't gotten anything. I've survived for yet another day.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 20, 2019, 05:16:00 AM
thank you so much for the info.
it's so painful and anxious.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 20, 2019, 04:49:24 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 20, 2019, 03:39:00 AM
I'm wondering why some div or programs can send out so many awards while other div or programs are still waiting
On a whole, search prior years to get a feel for timing.
For CISE, you'll see that the majority of awards aren't published until the following calendar year and awards are still published well into April. I did a search for CAREER 2017 and awards were still being published in April 2018. For CAREER 2018 there was a government shutdown at the beginning of 2019, which didn't seem to delay the timeframe of awards based on prior years.
Published isn't the same as recommended/contacted by PO for abstract/budget revisions. However, it's safe to say, based on prior years, that December is early to be contacted. I would venture to assume things will linger into January/February before most know which way the winds are blowing.
Agreed. Also keep in mind that the PO makes the recommendation but it cannot be funded until the Director of the division approves it. There are several layers that impede a timely response. Also, there's no better way to pass the time waiting on one proposal decision than to write another! Or take a vacation!
thanks.
I know there are many layers, so can we say:
if the official awards usually happen in Feb (for CISE case), the PO should have contacted the PIs for budget/abstract weeks earlier, that probably in Dec or early Jan.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 20, 2019, 05:24:02 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 20, 2019, 05:16:00 AM
thank you so much for the info.
it's so painful and anxious.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 20, 2019, 04:49:24 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 20, 2019, 03:39:00 AM
I'm wondering why some div or programs can send out so many awards while other div or programs are still waiting
On a whole, search prior years to get a feel for timing.
For CISE, you'll see that the majority of awards aren't published until the following calendar year and awards are still published well into April. I did a search for CAREER 2017 and awards were still being published in April 2018. For CAREER 2018 there was a government shutdown at the beginning of 2019, which didn't seem to delay the timeframe of awards based on prior years.
Published isn't the same as recommended/contacted by PO for abstract/budget revisions. However, it's safe to say, based on prior years, that December is early to be contacted. I would venture to assume things will linger into January/February before most know which way the winds are blowing.
Agreed. Also keep in mind that the PO makes the recommendation but it cannot be funded until the Director of the division approves it. There are several layers that impede a timely response. Also, there's no better way to pass the time waiting on one proposal decision than to write another! Or take a vacation!
Quote from: lightofhope on December 20, 2019, 06:03:09 AM
thanks.
I know there are many layers, so can we say:
if the official awards usually happen in Feb (for CISE case), the PO should have contacted the PIs for budget/abstract weeks earlier, that probably in Dec or early Jan.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 20, 2019, 05:24:02 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 20, 2019, 05:16:00 AM
thank you so much for the info.
it's so painful and anxious.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 20, 2019, 04:49:24 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 20, 2019, 03:39:00 AM
I'm wondering why some div or programs can send out so many awards while other div or programs are still waiting
On a whole, search prior years to get a feel for timing.
For CISE, you'll see that the majority of awards aren't published until the following calendar year and awards are still published well into April. I did a search for CAREER 2017 and awards were still being published in April 2018. For CAREER 2018 there was a government shutdown at the beginning of 2019, which didn't seem to delay the timeframe of awards based on prior years.
Published isn't the same as recommended/contacted by PO for abstract/budget revisions. However, it's safe to say, based on prior years, that December is early to be contacted. I would venture to assume things will linger into January/February before most know which way the winds are blowing.
Agreed. Also keep in mind that the PO makes the recommendation but it cannot be funded until the Director of the division approves it. There are several layers that impede a timely response. Also, there's no better way to pass the time waiting on one proposal decision than to write another! Or take a vacation!
I would not expect to hear anything in December. Quite possibly not until late January. Trying to pinpoint an expected time based on abstracts and the like just creates more anxiety and are likely incorrect.
So how long it takes for the different approval layers to complete, I mean, from "recommended" to officially "awarded"? 1 month?
It takes several months to be officially funded after requesting the abstract since it needs approval at different layers. Does the director of the division need to approve before the PO contacts the PIs for abstract? If so, this might be the reason for taking a couple of weeks to be contacted by the PI after the panel date.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 20, 2019, 05:24:02 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 20, 2019, 05:16:00 AM
thank you so much for the info.
it's so painful and anxious.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 20, 2019, 04:49:24 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 20, 2019, 03:39:00 AM
I'm wondering why some div or programs can send out so many awards while other div or programs are still waiting
On a whole, search prior years to get a feel for timing.
For CISE, you'll see that the majority of awards aren't published until the following calendar year and awards are still published well into April. I did a search for CAREER 2017 and awards were still being published in April 2018. For CAREER 2018 there was a government shutdown at the beginning of 2019, which didn't seem to delay the timeframe of awards based on prior years.
Published isn't the same as recommended/contacted by PO for abstract/budget revisions. However, it's safe to say, based on prior years, that December is early to be contacted. I would venture to assume things will linger into January/February before most know which way the winds are blowing.
Agreed. Also keep in mind that the PO makes the recommendation but it cannot be funded until the Director of the division approves it. There are several layers that impede a timely response. Also, there's no better way to pass the time waiting on one proposal decision than to write another! Or take a vacation!
At this point, if we are not contacted by the PO, is it safe to assume that we are most likely declined or a "maybe" at best? Almost all my colleagues who got NSF career awards before got contacted by POs before Christmas
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 20, 2019, 06:50:25 AM
At this point, if we are not contacted by the PO, is it safe to assume that we are most likely declined or a "maybe" at best? Almost all my colleagues who got NSF career awards before got contacted by POs before Christmas
No. Your assumption rests on the premise that all programs and directorates move at the same pace, which they do not. Unless you happen to be colleagues of all 450ish new CAREER awardees you're incorrect. Some POs have been straightforward in communication saying decisions have not yet been made.
Yes. I think contact by the PO happens in December or January. CISE might be later than other programs. When was your panel?
Quote from: lightofhope on December 20, 2019, 06:03:09 AM
thanks.
I know there are many layers, so can we say:
if the official awards usually happen in Feb (for CISE case), the PO should have contacted the PIs for budget/abstract weeks earlier, that probably in Dec or early Jan.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 20, 2019, 05:24:02 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 20, 2019, 05:16:00 AM
thank you so much for the info.
it's so painful and anxious.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 20, 2019, 04:49:24 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 20, 2019, 03:39:00 AM
I'm wondering why some div or programs can send out so many awards while other div or programs are still waiting
On a whole, search prior years to get a feel for timing.
For CISE, you'll see that the majority of awards aren't published until the following calendar year and awards are still published well into April. I did a search for CAREER 2017 and awards were still being published in April 2018. For CAREER 2018 there was a government shutdown at the beginning of 2019, which didn't seem to delay the timeframe of awards based on prior years.
Published isn't the same as recommended/contacted by PO for abstract/budget revisions. However, it's safe to say, based on prior years, that December is early to be contacted. I would venture to assume things will linger into January/February before most know which way the winds are blowing.
Agreed. Also keep in mind that the PO makes the recommendation but it cannot be funded until the Director of the division approves it. There are several layers that impede a timely response. Also, there's no better way to pass the time waiting on one proposal decision than to write another! Or take a vacation!
I love this thread. Reading this makes me feel supported. It has been my best December friend two years in a row. Keep posting guys...
mid of Nov
Quote from: rusunyii on December 20, 2019, 08:08:11 AM
Yes. I think contact by the PO happens in December or January. CISE might be later than other programs. When was your panel?
Quote from: lightofhope on December 20, 2019, 06:03:09 AM
thanks.
I know there are many layers, so can we say:
if the official awards usually happen in Feb (for CISE case), the PO should have contacted the PIs for budget/abstract weeks earlier, that probably in Dec or early Jan.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 20, 2019, 05:24:02 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 20, 2019, 05:16:00 AM
thank you so much for the info.
it's so painful and anxious.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 20, 2019, 04:49:24 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 20, 2019, 03:39:00 AM
I'm wondering why some div or programs can send out so many awards while other div or programs are still waiting
On a whole, search prior years to get a feel for timing.
For CISE, you'll see that the majority of awards aren't published until the following calendar year and awards are still published well into April. I did a search for CAREER 2017 and awards were still being published in April 2018. For CAREER 2018 there was a government shutdown at the beginning of 2019, which didn't seem to delay the timeframe of awards based on prior years.
Published isn't the same as recommended/contacted by PO for abstract/budget revisions. However, it's safe to say, based on prior years, that December is early to be contacted. I would venture to assume things will linger into January/February before most know which way the winds are blowing.
Agreed. Also keep in mind that the PO makes the recommendation but it cannot be funded until the Director of the division approves it. There are several layers that impede a timely response. Also, there's no better way to pass the time waiting on one proposal decision than to write another! Or take a vacation!
My status date changed to 8/22. The program had a new PO after I submitted. Is it likely that the change in status date is due to the change in PO? Or they had a panel by then?
Quote from: lightofhope on December 20, 2019, 04:42:04 AM
I think I saw some awards from twitter, but not 100 percent sure.
Quote from: anxiety_rising on December 19, 2019, 11:09:06 PM
Quote from: J.dodo1988 on December 19, 2019, 07:59:36 PM
Anyone hear anything from EAR?
No news from EAR. My date has not even changed since July.
So I have not been able to find anything on Twitter for EAR. Also, there are no EAR awards announced when searching for recent CAREER awards on the NSF award search website.
Long time lurker - first time poster! I wanted to share with everyone that today afternoon I got a call from the PD that he was recommending my CAREER (CISE - SaTC) for funding. Good luck to all who are anxiously awaiting responses! I guess, CISE has started making recommendations. Thank you to everyone on this thread - it has been a source of tremendous information while anxiously waiting for a call/response!
thanks for the info and congrats on your award.
Quote from: murtuzaj on December 20, 2019, 01:48:36 PM
Long time lurker - first time poster! I wanted to share with everyone that today afternoon I got a call from the PD that he was recommending my CAREER (CISE - SaTC) for funding. Good luck to all who are anxiously awaiting responses! I guess, CISE has started making recommendations. Thank you to everyone on this thread - it has been a source of tremendous information while anxiously waiting for a call/response!
Quote from: lightofhope on December 20, 2019, 03:44:36 PM
thanks for the info and congrats on your award.
Quote from: murtuzaj on December 20, 2019, 01:48:36 PM
Long time lurker - first time poster! I wanted to share with everyone that today afternoon I got a call from the PD that he was recommending my CAREER (CISE - SaTC) for funding. Good luck to all who are anxiously awaiting responses! I guess, CISE has started making recommendations. Thank you to everyone on this thread - it has been a source of tremendous information while anxiously waiting for a call/response!
Congratulations!
Quote from: murtuzaj on December 20, 2019, 01:48:36 PM
Long time lurker - first time poster! I wanted to share with everyone that today afternoon I got a call from the PD that he was recommending my CAREER (CISE - SaTC) for funding. Good luck to all who are anxiously awaiting responses! I guess, CISE has started making recommendations. Thank you to everyone on this thread - it has been a source of tremendous information while anxiously waiting for a call/response!
congratulations!
congrats!
Any idea about DMR-BMAT.
Thanks for sharing. Congratulations! Could u please share your panel date?
Quote from: murtuzaj on December 20, 2019, 01:48:36 PM
Long time lurker - first time poster! I wanted to share with everyone that today afternoon I got a call from the PD that he was recommending my CAREER (CISE - SaTC) for funding. Good luck to all who are anxiously awaiting responses! I guess, CISE has started making recommendations. Thank you to everyone on this thread - it has been a source of tremendous information while anxiously waiting for a call/response!
Is anyone else who hasn't heard applying to the DOE Early Career? Do we just assume we don't have NSF and apply with a similar project or do we need to avoid overlap? The pre-proposal is due Jan 6...
Thanks all! Regarding the panel dates I suspect it was some time early October or mid-October. Not sure as research.gov does not list panel dates anymore. Those were the dates my PD held panels. FWIW, my status date on research.gov is still unchanged.
Quote from: rusunyii on December 20, 2019, 09:55:00 PM
Thanks for sharing. Congratulations! Could u please share your panel date?
Quote from: murtuzaj on December 20, 2019, 01:48:36 PM
Long time lurker - first time poster! I wanted to share with everyone that today afternoon I got a call from the PD that he was recommending my CAREER (CISE - SaTC) for funding. Good luck to all who are anxiously awaiting responses! I guess, CISE has started making recommendations. Thank you to everyone on this thread - it has been a source of tremendous information while anxiously waiting for a call/response!
Thanks! The status date will be changed once officially recommended.
Quote from: murtuzaj on December 21, 2019, 06:17:18 AM
Thanks all! Regarding the panel dates I suspect it was some time early October or mid-October. Not sure as research.gov does not list panel dates anymore. Those were the dates my PD held panels. FWIW, my status date on research.gov is still unchanged.
Quote from: rusunyii on December 20, 2019, 09:55:00 PM
Thanks for sharing. Congratulations! Could u please share your panel date?
Quote from: murtuzaj on December 20, 2019, 01:48:36 PM
Long time lurker - first time poster! I wanted to share with everyone that today afternoon I got a call from the PD that he was recommending my CAREER (CISE - SaTC) for funding. Good luck to all who are anxiously awaiting responses! I guess, CISE has started making recommendations. Thank you to everyone on this thread - it has been a source of tremendous information while anxiously waiting for a call/response!
Thanks for sharing. When was the last date any status of your proposal was changed? Was there any update after the panel in October?
The date will only be changed when your proposal is assigned to some program, or different PO, or decision is made.
Quote from: hanna on December 21, 2019, 10:09:38 AM
Thanks for sharing. When was the last date any status of your proposal was changed? Was there any update after the panel in October?
Last status date was changed when the PD changed before the panel. After the panel, there was no change. I agree with lightofhopes's view on status date changes!
Quote from: hanna on December 21, 2019, 10:09:38 AM
Thanks for sharing. When was the last date any status of your proposal was changed? Was there any update after the panel in October?
The are so many variables at play with CAREER since they're organization wide awards. What we're doing at this point is tilting at windmills.
It's not too difficult to get an idea of how many CAREER awards a particular PO is managing, and for which year they were awarded. My PO mentioned not receiving any CAREER proposals for subsequent years. Just that bit of information helped me to decide where my proposal was going. On the flip side of things if there was a PO that received 10 proposals but at most seemed to award 2 in a given cycle — that would give me pause. It would appear that the 2 chosen would need to rate excellently with the panel to stand a chance for funding.
I say this to say there's nothing that can be done at this point to better secure a favorable outcome. It's best to have a drink of your favorite beverage and ride it out.
And if you didn't get a decline email at 9PM EST on Friday, at least find solace in the fact that your proposal lives on through the weekend.
Very Well Said Friend!
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 21, 2019, 05:05:25 PM
The are so many variables at play with CAREER since they're organization wide awards. What we're doing at this point is tilting at windmills.
It's not too difficult to get an idea of how many CAREER awards a particular PO is managing, and for which year they were awarded. My PO mentioned not receiving any CAREER proposals for subsequent years. Just that bit of information helped me to decide where my proposal was going. On the flip side of things if there was a PO that received 10 proposals but at most seemed to award 2 in a given cycle — that would give me pause. It would appear that the 2 chosen would need to rate excellently with the panel to stand a chance for funding.
I say this to say there's nothing that can be done at this point to better secure a favorable outcome. It's best to have a drink of your favorite beverage and ride it out.
And if you didn't get a decline email at 9PM EST on Friday, at least find solace in the fact that your proposal lives on through the weekend.
Hi everyone, quick question: Do POs contact all the PIs (within the same program) that they recommend for funding at the same time or can that vary? I have seen on Twitter that someone has been recommended for an award for my program on Friday (contact by PO).
I think it will be different. Even the same PO may contact PIs at different time.
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 22, 2019, 07:29:22 AM
Hi everyone, quick question: Do POs contact all the PIs (within the same program) that they recommend for funding at the same time or can that vary? I have seen on Twitter that someone has been recommended for an award for my program on Friday (contact by PO).
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 22, 2019, 07:29:22 AM
Hi everyone, quick question: Do POs contact all the PIs (within the same program) that they recommend for funding at the same time or can that vary? I have seen on Twitter that someone has been recommended for an award for my program on Friday (contact by PO).
How did you search twitter to find such information? Thanks.
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 22, 2019, 08:17:13 AM
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 22, 2019, 07:29:22 AM
Hi everyone, quick question: Do POs contact all the PIs (within the same program) that they recommend for funding at the same time or can that vary? I have seen on Twitter that someone has been recommended for an award for my program on Friday (contact by PO).
How did you search twitter to find such information? Thanks.
Just searched for "NSF CAREER" in the latest posts
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 22, 2019, 11:05:39 AM
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 22, 2019, 08:17:13 AM
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 22, 2019, 07:29:22 AM
Hi everyone, quick question: Do POs contact all the PIs (within the same program) that they recommend for funding at the same time or can that vary? I have seen on Twitter that someone has been recommended for an award for my program on Friday (contact by PO).
How did you search twitter to find such information? Thanks.
Just searched for "NSF CAREER" in the latest posts
Thanks!
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 22, 2019, 07:29:22 AM
Hi everyone, quick question: Do POs contact all the PIs (within the same program) that they recommend for funding at the same time or can that vary? I have seen on Twitter that someone has been recommended for an award for my program on Friday (contact by PO).
I saw some people recommended by my program so I emailed the PO about my status. He replied promptly that I was not selected for funding and did send my reviews/a lot of follow up conversation which was very helpful (as there is the DOE coming up in two weeks). Its certainly possible that different PIs could be notified at different times or that there are still some grants pending budget availability but its likely at this point if some people have been recommended the PO can take questions about the status/provide the reviews?
Quote from: Nina Rogers on December 24, 2019, 04:59:16 AM
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 22, 2019, 07:29:22 AM
Hi everyone, quick question: Do POs contact all the PIs (within the same program) that they recommend for funding at the same time or can that vary? I have seen on Twitter that someone has been recommended for an award for my program on Friday (contact by PO).
I saw some people recommended by my program so I emailed the PO about my status. He replied promptly that I was not selected for funding and did send my reviews/a lot of follow up conversation which was very helpful (as there is the DOE coming up in two weeks). Its certainly possible that different PIs could be notified at different times or that there are still some grants pending budget availability but its likely at this point if some people have been recommended the PO can take questions about the status/provide the reviews?
Do you mind sharing which program/division?
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 24, 2019, 06:53:09 AM
Quote from: Nina Rogers on December 24, 2019, 04:59:16 AM
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 22, 2019, 07:29:22 AM
Hi everyone, quick question: Do POs contact all the PIs (within the same program) that they recommend for funding at the same time or can that vary? I have seen on Twitter that someone has been recommended for an award for my program on Friday (contact by PO).
I saw some people recommended by my program so I emailed the PO about my status. He replied promptly that I was not selected for funding and did send my reviews/a lot of follow up conversation which was very helpful (as there is the DOE coming up in two weeks). Its certainly possible that different PIs could be notified at different times or that there are still some grants pending budget availability but its likely at this point if some people have been recommended the PO can take questions about the status/provide the reviews?
Do you mind sharing which program/division?
Stated earlier
DMR - CMP
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 24, 2019, 09:40:22 AM
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 24, 2019, 06:53:09 AM
Quote from: Nina Rogers on December 24, 2019, 04:59:16 AM
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 22, 2019, 07:29:22 AM
Hi everyone, quick question: Do POs contact all the PIs (within the same program) that they recommend for funding at the same time or can that vary? I have seen on Twitter that someone has been recommended for an award for my program on Friday (contact by PO).
I saw some people recommended by my program so I emailed the PO about my status. He replied promptly that I was not selected for funding and did send my reviews/a lot of follow up conversation which was very helpful (as there is the DOE coming up in two weeks). Its certainly possible that different PIs could be notified at different times or that there are still some grants pending budget availability but its likely at this point if some people have been recommended the PO can take questions about the status/provide the reviews?
Do you mind sharing which program/division?
Stated earlier
DMR - CMP
Did the PO ask for a public abstract?
Anyone got responses from CISE/IIS?
Quote from: zhupeifen on December 24, 2019, 10:19:49 AM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 24, 2019, 09:40:22 AM
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 24, 2019, 06:53:09 AM
Quote from: Nina Rogers on December 24, 2019, 04:59:16 AM
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 22, 2019, 07:29:22 AM
Hi everyone, quick question: Do POs contact all the PIs (within the same program) that they recommend for funding at the same time or can that vary? I have seen on Twitter that someone has been recommended for an award for my program on Friday (contact by PO).
I saw some people recommended by my program so I emailed the PO about my status. He replied promptly that I was not selected for funding and did send my reviews/a lot of follow up conversation which was very helpful (as there is the DOE coming up in two weeks). Its certainly possible that different PIs could be notified at different times or that there are still some grants pending budget availability but its likely at this point if some people have been recommended the PO can take questions about the status/provide the reviews?
Do you mind sharing which program/division?
Stated earlier
DMR - CMP
Did the PO ask for a public abstract?
No public abstract, since I will not be funded. I saw some CMP awards on NSF search and then just emailed to inquire about my status and to see if reviews were available. The reviews were available and were actually helpful. Nothing has changed on fastlane though -- I'm still "pending" there even though the decision was already made not to fund me.
IIS includes III and RI, right?
which one are you asking?
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 24, 2019, 12:45:30 PM
Anyone got responses from CISE/IIS?
Well it is Christmas Eve...
https://twitter.com/rebicca/status/1199988202607718400?s=20
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 24, 2019, 03:27:31 PM
Well it is Christmas Eve...
https://twitter.com/rebicca/status/1199988202607718400?s=20
In all my rejections the status changed to declined before 5pm EST and the letter arrived at 10pm EST. Dunno if anything new going to happen this time.
Letters hit the inbox at 9PM EST if the original submission was done in Research.gov
I can't speak on FastLane. I haven't been rejected there yet.
no result yet.
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 24, 2019, 02:35:18 PM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 24, 2019, 02:32:03 PM
now I know four people (including you) are waiting for III...
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 24, 2019, 02:18:39 PM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 24, 2019, 02:06:46 PM
IIS includes III and RI, right?
which one are you asking?
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 24, 2019, 12:45:30 PM
Anyone got responses from CISE/IIS?
III
Do you know anyone who already know results?
I share some of my experiences and time frame. The program is CISE/SaTC.
This year I got recommended from PO on Dec 20. She asked for abstract and some other information for administration. This is my second submission of Career. (Did not see the rate and comments yet).
Three years ago on the same date, I got recommended from the same PO for CRII, with a similar email. This seems to be my PO's time frame. This is my second submission of CRII. (rate highly competitive, E/VG, VG, E/VG)
Some rejection experiences...
Last year (2018), my career submission was rejected on Dec 12, with rate competitive. The status date was changed one day before, and then shortly I got the notification. Later I noticed that this PO left NSF at the end of the year 2018. Maybe that's why my rejection came before the year, as she needed to wrap up things before leaving.
My first CRII submission was rejected (FY 2015). I did not see any news until I contacted the PO March 2016. She said your proposal is in the process of being rejected. Then I saw a status date change (in one or two days), and then rejection roughly on March. (This PO is the same PO who recommended my award later on.)
Merry Christmas to everyone!
Quote from: lightofhope on December 24, 2019, 06:31:18 PM
no result yet.
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 24, 2019, 02:35:18 PM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 24, 2019, 02:32:03 PM
now I know four people (including you) are waiting for III...
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 24, 2019, 02:18:39 PM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 24, 2019, 02:06:46 PM
IIS includes III and RI, right?
which one are you asking?
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 24, 2019, 12:45:30 PM
Anyone got responses from CISE/IIS?
III
Do you know anyone who already know results?
Then it seems that decisions have not been made for all proposals in III.
Congratulations!
Quote from: liuf on December 24, 2019, 08:27:56 PM
I share some of my experiences and time frame. The program is CISE/SaTC.
This year I got recommended from PO on Dec 20. She asked for abstract and some other information for administration. This is my second submission of Career. (Did not see the rate and comments yet).
Three years ago on the same date, I got recommended from the same PO for CRII, with a similar email. This seems to be my PO's time frame. This is my second submission of CRII. (rate highly competitive, E/VG, VG, E/VG)
Some rejection experiences...
Last year (2018), my career submission was rejected on Dec 12, with rate competitive. The status date was changed one day before, and then shortly I got the notification. Later I noticed that this PO left NSF at the end of the year 2018. Maybe that's why my rejection came before the year, as she needed to wrap up things before leaving.
My first CRII submission was rejected (FY 2015). I did not see any news until I contacted the PO March 2016. She said your proposal is in the process of being rejected. Then I saw a status date change (in one or two days), and then rejection roughly on March. (This PO is the same PO who recommended my award later on.)
Congrats!
Quote from: liuf on December 24, 2019, 08:27:56 PM
I share some of my experiences and time frame. The program is CISE/SaTC.
This year I got recommended from PO on Dec 20. She asked for abstract and some other information for administration. This is my second submission of Career. (Did not see the rate and comments yet).
Three years ago on the same date, I got recommended from the same PO for CRII, with a similar email. This seems to be my PO's time frame. This is my second submission of CRII. (rate highly competitive, E/VG, VG, E/VG)
Some rejection experiences...
Last year (2018), my career submission was rejected on Dec 12, with rate competitive. The status date was changed one day before, and then shortly I got the notification. Later I noticed that this PO left NSF at the end of the year 2018. Maybe that's why my rejection came before the year, as she needed to wrap up things before leaving.
My first CRII submission was rejected (FY 2015). I did not see any news until I contacted the PO March 2016. She said your proposal is in the process of being rejected. Then I saw a status date change (in one or two days), and then rejection roughly on March. (This PO is the same PO who recommended my award later on.)
Quote from: liuf on December 24, 2019, 08:27:56 PM
I share some of my experiences and time frame. The program is CISE/SaTC.
This year I got recommended from PO on Dec 20. She asked for abstract and some other information for administration. This is my second submission of Career. (Did not see the rate and comments yet).
Three years ago on the same date, I got recommended from the same PO for CRII, with a similar email. This seems to be my PO's time frame. This is my second submission of CRII. (rate highly competitive, E/VG, VG, E/VG)
Some rejection experiences...
Last year (2018), my career submission was rejected on Dec 12, with rate competitive. The status date was changed one day before, and then shortly I got the notification. Later I noticed that this PO left NSF at the end of the year 2018. Maybe that's why my rejection came before the year, as she needed to wrap up things before leaving.
My first CRII submission was rejected (FY 2015). I did not see any news until I contacted the PO March 2016. She said your proposal is in the process of being rejected. Then I saw a status date change (in one or two days), and then rejection roughly on March. (This PO is the same PO who recommended my award later on.)
Congratulations!
Congratulations! Could u please kindly share your estimated panel date?
Quote from: liuf on December 24, 2019, 08:27:56 PM
I share some of my experiences and time frame. The program is CISE/SaTC.
This year I got recommended from PO on Dec 20. She asked for abstract and some other information for administration. This is my second submission of Career. (Did not see the rate and comments yet).
Three years ago on the same date, I got recommended from the same PO for CRII, with a similar email. This seems to be my PO's time frame. This is my second submission of CRII. (rate highly competitive, E/VG, VG, E/VG)
Some rejection experiences...
Last year (2018), my career submission was rejected on Dec 12, with rate competitive. The status date was changed one day before, and then shortly I got the notification. Later I noticed that this PO left NSF at the end of the year 2018. Maybe that's why my rejection came before the year, as she needed to wrap up things before leaving.
My first CRII submission was rejected (FY 2015). I did not see any news until I contacted the PO March 2016. She said your proposal is in the process of being rejected. Then I saw a status date change (in one or two days), and then rejection roughly on March. (This PO is the same PO who recommended my award later on.)
I think my panel dates are around Nov 4 or that week. (Cannot remember the exactly dates but should not be too far).
Thanks!
Quote from: liuf on December 25, 2019, 07:42:33 AM
I think my panel dates are around Nov 4 or that week. (Cannot remember the exactly dates but should not be too far).
Quote from: liuf on December 24, 2019, 08:27:56 PM
My first CRII submission was rejected (FY 2015). I did not see any news until I contacted the PO March 2016. She said your proposal is in the process of being rejected. Then I saw a status date change (in one or two days), and then rejection roughly on March. (This PO is the same PO who recommended my award later on.)
I'm still waiting to hear about my CRII proposal. In late October, I received an email from the PD saying that they discussed my proposal across programs and thought it would be better reviewed in another program. The email also said that they planned to transfer my proposal to that other program for review; however, I still haven't heard anything. I'm thinking that this caused my proposal to get pushed into the early/mid January panels. **fingers crossed**
Judging by the Twitter chatter the rejections are hitting some inboxes.
Any news from CMMI esp ECI?
Now we are at the end of 2019, not yet heard anything. CAREER Status date is as it is (date of submisbion). This is my third submission. I don't see anyone here sharing DMR-Biomaterials (DMR-BMAT).
Some program(s) just got the budget on last Friday
so be patient!
Quote from: sossan on December 27, 2019, 06:55:54 AM
Now we are at the end of 2019, not yet heard anything. CAREER Status date is as it is (date of submisbion). This is my third submission. I don't see anyone here sharing DMR-Biomaterials (DMR-BMAT).
Any update on CMMI - DESE?
Quote from: sossan on December 27, 2019, 06:55:54 AM
Now we are at the end of 2019, not yet heard anything. CAREER Status date is as it is (date of submisbion). This is my third submission. I don't see anyone here sharing DMR-Biomaterials (DMR-BMAT).
Awards will still be made well into the New Year. Keep in mind some awards weren't published until April. Published doesn't correspond with when the researcher was notified but it does signify some type of delay.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 27, 2019, 07:44:12 AM
Some program(s) just got the budget on last Friday
so be patient!
Quote from: sossan on December 27, 2019, 06:55:54 AM
Now we are at the end of 2019, not yet heard anything. CAREER Status date is as it is (date of submission). This is my third submission. I don't see anyone here sharing DMR-Biomaterials (DMR-BMAT).
Thanks LIghtofhope. Do you think by this time all programs have already issued declined letter and only remainings are recommended and gray zone proposals? It is not easy to be patient but no choice...
A question: I submitted my CAREER on July 18th. However, there is no "external reviews will be on ** date" in my status. There is nothing after Review information. Surprisingly, after the PO checked my website on Dec 17th, my proposal's status date was changed to Dec 20th. Was my proposal reviewed or not? If it was reviewed, I guess my proposal will be declined.
Quote from: sossan on December 28, 2019, 08:30:41 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 27, 2019, 07:44:12 AM
Some program(s) just got the budget on last Friday
so be patient!
Quote from: sossan on December 27, 2019, 06:55:54 AM
Now we are at the end of 2019, not yet heard anything. CAREER Status date is as it is (date of submission). This is my third submission. I don't see anyone here sharing DMR-Biomaterials (DMR-BMAT).
Thanks LIghtofhope. Do you think by this time all programs have already issued declined letter and only remainings are recommended and gray zone proposals? It is not easy to be patient but no choice...
No. It hasn't even been 6 months since submissions were due. Each directorate and division within move at different paces.
Be patient or reach out to your individual PO if you require an immediate status update.
Also, the "gray zone" isn't as expansive as these forums would have you believe.
Hello,
I submitted NSF CAREER this year. Second attempt. Reviewed by Bios - DBI. Last year I got rejection on Dec 12th when the Panel met in September. This year I believe my Panel met sometime around Dec 11-12. I emailed the program contact a week later regarding the status and I was told that they sent decisions for some of them and my one will be notified later on. I found that no award has been made via DBI so far in this fiscal year. Can you guess anything based on my program contact's response? Do I have any hope?
Please spend some time getting to know your PO.
It seems like far too many people don't know how their PO operates and it leads to an unnecessary amount of anxiety.
I knew my previous PO pretty well. I met with the PO in-person at least once a year for the last 3 years and served on a few panels. I never submitted a proposal to that PO but the time was well spent.
Recently, that PO left the NSF and naturally there was a PO change that happened 2 months after the CAREER was due. Luckily, I've known the new PO longer than the previous PO and in much more detail. So when I send an email I know how the PO will respond based on previous interactions. I can then ask questions that are vague enough to get solid answers and infer from there.
Some programs haven't made any decisions (at least for some in CISE)
my PD told me that.
Quote from: sossan on December 28, 2019, 08:30:41 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 27, 2019, 07:44:12 AM
Some program(s) just got the budget on last Friday
so be patient!
Quote from: sossan on December 27, 2019, 06:55:54 AM
Now we are at the end of 2019, not yet heard anything. CAREER Status date is as it is (date of submission). This is my third submission. I don't see anyone here sharing DMR-Biomaterials (DMR-BMAT).
Thanks LIghtofhope. Do you think by this time all programs have already issued declined letter and only remainings are recommended and gray zone proposals? It is not easy to be patient but no choice...
Quote from: lightofhope on December 28, 2019, 11:58:44 PM
Some programs haven't made any decisions (at least for some in CISE)
my PD told me that.
Quote from: sossan on December 28, 2019, 08:30:41 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 27, 2019, 07:44:12 AM
Some program(s) just got the budget on last Friday
so be patient!
Quote from: sossan on December 27, 2019, 06:55:54 AM
Now we are at the end of 2019, not yet heard anything. CAREER Status date is as it is (date of submission). This is my third submission. I don't see anyone here sharing DMR-Biomaterials (DMR-BMAT).
Thanks LIghtofhope. Do you think by this time all programs have already issued declined letter and only remainings are recommended and gray zone proposals? It is not easy to be patient but no choice...
Is IIS/III one of them?
CISE-III
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 29, 2019, 07:58:57 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 28, 2019, 11:58:44 PM
Some programs haven't made any decisions (at least for some in CISE)
my PD told me that.
Quote from: sossan on December 28, 2019, 08:30:41 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 27, 2019, 07:44:12 AM
Some program(s) just got the budget on last Friday
so be patient!
Quote from: sossan on December 27, 2019, 06:55:54 AM
Now we are at the end of 2019, not yet heard anything. CAREER Status date is as it is (date of submission). This is my third submission. I don't see anyone here sharing DMR-Biomaterials (DMR-BMAT).
Thanks LIghtofhope. Do you think by this time all programs have already issued declined letter and only remainings are recommended and gray zone proposals? It is not easy to be patient but no choice...
Is IIS/III one of them?
Quote from: lightofhope on December 29, 2019, 10:53:54 AM
CISE-III
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 29, 2019, 07:58:57 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 28, 2019, 11:58:44 PM
Some programs haven't made any decisions (at least for some in CISE)
my PD told me that.
Quote from: sossan on December 28, 2019, 08:30:41 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 27, 2019, 07:44:12 AM
Some program(s) just got the budget on last Friday
so be patient!
Quote from: sossan on December 27, 2019, 06:55:54 AM
Now we are at the end of 2019, not yet heard anything. CAREER Status date is as it is (date of submission). This is my third submission. I don't see anyone here sharing DMR-Biomaterials (DMR-BMAT).
Thanks LIghtofhope. Do you think by this time all programs have already issued declined letter and only remainings are recommended and gray zone proposals? It is not easy to be patient but no choice...
Is IIS/III one of them?
I see.. Thanks. No news is no news.
Should we expect any update from NSF before Jan 6?
Quote from: taray on December 30, 2019, 02:10:52 AM
Should we expect any update from NSF before Jan 6?
My friend emailed a PO from CMMI. His/her automatic email reply was "out of office until Jan 6"
Thanks
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 30, 2019, 04:11:01 AM
Quote from: taray on December 30, 2019, 02:10:52 AM
Should we expect any update from NSF before Jan 6?
My friend emailed a PO from CMMI. His/her automatic email reply was "out of office until Jan 6"
Sit tight. Nothing is going to happen this week.
There will be a lot of action...mostly rejections next week if the trend from previous cycles holds true.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 30, 2019, 01:35:25 PM
Sit tight. Nothing is going to happen this week.
There will be a lot of action...mostly rejections next week if the trend from previous cycles holds true.
Wasnt there a shutdown last year?
Yes, there was shut down last year.
There were shutdowns in last two years. I got rejections on Feb 5 and Feb 15
Quote from: helloworld on December 30, 2019, 01:46:37 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 30, 2019, 01:35:25 PM
Sit tight. Nothing is going to happen this week.
There will be a lot of action...mostly rejections next week if the trend from previous cycles holds true.
Wasnt there a shutdown last year?
Keyword - cycles (i.e., more than 1).
Jan 2018 shutdown lasted 3 days.
Dec 2018 - Jan 2019 lasted 35 days.
There hasn't been any other shutdowns since 2013. And the FY2020 funding bill has already passed both houses and was signed. So we can get off the outliers for shutdowns since there won't be one.
Further searching, via Twitter and personal contacts show an increased number of rejections sent in previous years the week after New Years. I would expect for that to remain consistent.
Today is the last day of 2019, and just curious who will be the luckiest one to get notification of awards today.
Happy New Year to you all.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 30, 2019, 04:35:49 PM
Quote from: helloworld on December 30, 2019, 01:46:37 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 30, 2019, 01:35:25 PM
Sit tight. Nothing is going to happen this week.
There will be a lot of action...mostly rejections next week if the trend from previous cycles holds true.
Wasnt there a shutdown last year?
Keyword - cycles (i.e., more than 1).
Jan 2018 shutdown lasted 3 days.
Dec 2018 - Jan 2019 lasted 35 days.
There hasn't been any other shutdowns since 2013. And the FY2020 funding bill has already passed both houses and was signed. So we can get off the outliers for shutdowns since there won't be one.
Further searching, via Twitter and personal contacts show an increased number of rejections sent in previous years the week after New Years. I would expect for that to remain consistent.
I saw a non-CAREER award posted on the CMMI/ECI webpage on Dec 30.
Quote from: taray on December 31, 2019, 09:17:31 AM
I saw a non-CAREER award posted on the CMMI/ECI webpage on Dec 30.
Thanks for letting us know! I actually have another proposal pending since late-May in CMMI but am worried to contact the PO because of the pending CAREER.
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 31, 2019, 12:05:27 PM
Quote from: taray on December 31, 2019, 09:17:31 AM
I saw a non-CAREER award posted on the CMMI/ECI webpage on Dec 30.
Thanks for letting us know! I actually have another proposal pending since late-May in CMMI but am worried to contact the PO because of the pending CAREER.
Why would contacting the PO alter the status of your pending proposals? Do you think by contacting the PO s/he will reject your proposals just for you asking about them?
I noticed that my status date has been updated to 12/31/2019, but the status remains pending. No emails nor phone calls from PO...
Hence we learn that the whole of NSF is not in recess.
Quote from: taray on December 31, 2019, 04:49:00 PM
Hence we learn that the whole of NSF is not in recess.
Responses are often batch loaded and dispersed at the same time. This can be an automated process.
me too.
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 31, 2019, 04:17:04 PM
I noticed that my status date has been updated to 12/31/2019, but the status remains pending. No emails nor phone calls from PO...
I see
Check your email at 9PM to see if you get a message with reviews and feedback. Seems to be the time that the templates hit inboxes. Hopefully this won't be the case.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 31, 2019, 04:52:17 PM
me too.
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 31, 2019, 04:17:04 PM
I noticed that my status date has been updated to 12/31/2019, but the status remains pending. No emails nor phone calls from PO...
Any idea about what does this date update mean?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 31, 2019, 04:57:44 PM
Check your email at 9PM to see if you get a message with reviews and feedback. Seems to be the time that the templates hit inboxes. Hopefully this won't be the case.
Will do and post here
probably it's not a good sign.
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 31, 2019, 05:00:10 PM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 31, 2019, 04:52:17 PM
me too.
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 31, 2019, 04:17:04 PM
I noticed that my status date has been updated to 12/31/2019, but the status remains pending. No emails nor phone calls from PO...
Any idea about what does this date update mean?
What are the divisions/ sub-divisions?
CISE-IIS-III
Quote from: hulo on December 31, 2019, 05:11:14 PM
What are the divisions/ sub-divisions?
Quote from: lightofhope on December 31, 2019, 05:08:53 PM
probably it's not a good sign.
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 31, 2019, 05:00:10 PM
Quote from: lightofhope on December 31, 2019, 04:52:17 PM
me too.
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 31, 2019, 04:17:04 PM
I noticed that my status date has been updated to 12/31/2019, but the status remains pending. No emails nor phone calls from PO...
Any idea about what does this date update mean?
I think so too :-(
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 31, 2019, 05:03:14 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 31, 2019, 04:57:44 PM
Check your email at 9PM to see if you get a message with reviews and feedback. Seems to be the time that the templates hit inboxes. Hopefully this won't be the case.
Will do and post here
No rejection email nor status change at 9:04pm
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 31, 2019, 06:04:30 PM
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 31, 2019, 05:03:14 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 31, 2019, 04:57:44 PM
Check your email at 9PM to see if you get a message with reviews and feedback. Seems to be the time that the templates hit inboxes. Hopefully this won't be the case.
Will do and post here
No rejection email nor status change at 9:04pm
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Good!
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 31, 2019, 06:26:41 PM
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 31, 2019, 06:04:30 PM
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 31, 2019, 05:03:14 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 31, 2019, 04:57:44 PM
Check your email at 9PM to see if you get a message with reviews and feedback. Seems to be the time that the templates hit inboxes. Hopefully this won't be the case.
Will do and post here
No rejection email nor status change at 9:04pm
[/quote
Good!
Thanks.
No news at 10pm either. I can sleep today.
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 31, 2019, 06:04:30 PM
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 31, 2019, 05:03:14 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 31, 2019, 04:57:44 PM
Check your email at 9PM to see if you get a message with reviews and feedback. Seems to be the time that the templates hit inboxes. Hopefully this won't be the case.
Will do and post here
No rejection email nor status change at 9:04pm
Thanks for letting us know, fingers crossed! :)
My friend's status didn't change. (still previous date)
So I guess PO firstly sent out the rejections...
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 31, 2019, 07:15:38 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 31, 2019, 06:26:41 PM
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 31, 2019, 06:04:30 PM
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 31, 2019, 05:03:14 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 31, 2019, 04:57:44 PM
Check your email at 9PM to see if you get a message with reviews and feedback. Seems to be the time that the templates hit inboxes. Hopefully this won't be the case.
Will do and post here
No rejection email nor status change at 9:04pm
[/quote
Good!
Thanks.
No news at 10pm either. I can sleep today.
Quote from: lightofhope on January 01, 2020, 07:48:29 AM
My friend's status didn't change. (still previous date)
So I guess PO firstly sent out the rejections...
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 31, 2019, 07:15:38 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 31, 2019, 06:26:41 PM
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 31, 2019, 06:04:30 PM
Quote from: shaomingfu on December 31, 2019, 05:03:14 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 31, 2019, 04:57:44 PM
Check your email at 9PM to see if you get a message with reviews and feedback. Seems to be the time that the templates hit inboxes. Hopefully this won't be the case.
Will do and post here
No rejection email nor status change at 9:04pm
[/quote
Good!
Thanks.
No news at 10pm either. I can sleep today.
Right.. Prepared for rejection now..
Fellow academics...let's not get down! Keep your heads up and press on! You will persevere.
https://twitter.com/Waters_Paleolim/status/1211690280900079616?s=20
Happy new year to everyone!
Today I noticed that the Status Date of my proposal (CISE-CCF-SHF) changed. However, the status is still pending. I know this is not a good sign, but you know... hope dies last!
thanks for the encouragement!
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 01, 2020, 09:33:58 AM
Fellow academics...let's not get down! Keep your heads up and press on! You will persevere.
My status date has been changed to 12/30 with neither status update nor PO contact. I guess I will be waiting for a rejection within one week. Any one got any recent news from CMMI?
I will post if anything happens with my status (cmmi ECI)
Quote from: zjdeer on January 02, 2020, 04:00:03 PM
My status date has been changed to 12/30 with neither status update nor PO contact. I guess I will be waiting for a rejection within one week. Any one got any recent news from CMMI?
Thanks for letting us know! Which program in CMMI?
under CMMI AM
Did anyone email POs after the date status has changed?
Just a quick update / recap from me, in case it helps anyone: I was contacted by my PO for a public abstract and answers to some reviewers' questions in early October, my status changed from "pending" to "recommended" in early December, and my award became official after answering a few additional budget questions received in mid December. I am very excited for this opportunity, and grateful for everyone's support during the wait. Good luck to all of you in the new year!
Congratulations! Thanks so much for sharing the timelines with us!
Quote from: bazinga58 on January 03, 2020, 12:00:21 PM
Just a quick update / recap from me, in case it helps anyone: I was contacted by my PO for a public abstract and answers to some reviewers' questions in early October, my status changed from "pending" to "recommended" in early December, and my award became official after answering a few additional budget questions received in mid December. I am very excited for this opportunity, and grateful for everyone's support during the wait. Good luck to all of you in the new year!
Congratulations
Which division/program ?
Would you mind letting us know which cmmi programs are they in?
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 19, 2019, 05:47:16 AM
2 of my colleagues got positive news from CMMI yesterday. I guess there will be some movement in CMMI soon
Quote from: zjdeer on January 03, 2020, 12:24:50 PM
Would you mind letting us know which cmmi programs are they in?
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 19, 2019, 05:47:16 AM
2 of my colleagues got positive news from CMMI yesterday. I guess there will be some movement in CMMI soon
M3X and moms
Congrats!
Quote from: bazinga58 on January 03, 2020, 12:00:21 PM
Just a quick update / recap from me, in case it helps anyone: I was contacted by my PO for a public abstract and answers to some reviewers' questions in early October, my status changed from "pending" to "recommended" in early December, and my award became official after answering a few additional budget questions received in mid December. I am very excited for this opportunity, and grateful for everyone's support during the wait. Good luck to all of you in the new year!
Hi guys,
When is it a good time to inquire to the PO regarding the status, and what would be the format of inquiry? Second time applicant here, and my status has not been changed yet. I am funded by NIH, and it is different and more straightforward to inquire to NIH POs regarding status etc. I am afraid that my email to PO may bother him/er as the PO may be busy with making decisions...
My status date changed to 1/4/2020 without PM contact. CMMI ECI
Quote from: taray on January 04, 2020, 12:01:14 PM
My status date changed to 1/4/2020 without PM contact. CMMI ECI
Thanks for letting us know! Seems like CMMI is busy making decisions these days
Next week is going to be a busy week
We should hear soon. I hope next week. Best luck!
Quote from: hulo on January 03, 2020, 05:52:23 PM
Hi guys,
When is it a good time to inquire to the PO regarding the status, and what would be the format of inquiry? Second time applicant here, and my status has not been changed yet. I am funded by NIH, and it is different and more straightforward to inquire to NIH POs regarding status etc. I am afraid that my email to PO may bother him/er as the PO may be busy with making decisions...
+1. I have never gotten a useful response from NSF PO. One time (not career) it got past 6 months so I asked for clarification on timeline. Answer: just wait. Followed up 1 month later. Answer: your proposal slipped through cracks, just wait. Followed up again 2 months later: no response. Finally a few weeks after, I received a 1-sentence email saying it is funded and please send public abstract.
With my CAREER this year, I got an email in October asking for updated current/pending. Crickets and I was getting anxious, so asked for clarity on timeline in mid December. Instant reply: we aim to respond to 75% of proposals within 6 months. We will tell you when we made a decision.
Most of the other times I submitted to nsf I just patiently waited cuz I'm afraid to bother them.
Then again I haven't gotten much useful out of my NIH POs before either but at least gotten a few phone calls with non-trivial info after receiving summary statement.
It sounds like outside of the PO's name many folks don't know how the PO operates, which then would lead to "I don't want to bother them" posts.
If the only time you're contacting your PO is to check on the status of your proposal, I can see why there would be some issues here. POs are people at the end of the day and should be treated as such. Think about it, do you like hearing from people only when they want/need something?
From my previous experience, most POs like to hear from researchers. I've had lunch with a handful of POs over the last few years and it's never because I had a proposal pending, or funded, with them. I just wanted to get to know them a bit better and gauge what they may be interested in funding and they were trying to gauge whether I would be a fit for funding. Therefore, when I email, I do get replies usually right away and I'd venture to guess that is because I'm not just another email from someone they do not know asking what the status of a proposal is that is within the 6 month window.
When you do want to follow-up on a proposal the shorter the email the better. And it needs to get right to the point. You need to supply the PO with the solicitation for which you submitted the proposal as well as the proposal number. If you have another agency where you need feedback from the NSF to complete that pending proposal (i.e., DOE or NIH), be sure to let the PO know this, but once again keep it brief. Your PO doesn't want an essay or even a paragraph. 3-4 sentences should be the target length.
Lastly, read between the lines. The PO isn't going to directly tell you which way the funding winds are blowing. However, the PO may say something along the lines of "be patient", which is saying your proposal is still being considered. If this is the reply then you need to wait and be patient. The PO may also tell you that your proposal "reviewed well", which is good, but shy of saying that it has been recommended, but also lets you know that the panel has met and most likely decisions will be forthcoming. There can be a delay in gathering the panel reviews and generating the overall summary and this is part of the reason panel reviews are not released as soon as the panel meets.
If your proposal has been declined, the PO has no incentive in delaying to tell you that information if they know it. Also, contacting your PO will not change whether your proposal was going to be funded or not. It's not like they're sitting back saying the next person to contact me about the status will have their proposal instantly declined.
In closing, get to know your PO and understand that the PO at any given time is working on multiple solicitations and not just the one for which you submitted. They get emails all day long about the status of proposals, which are tiring to go through, which is why they have the template email saying 6-months queued up.
Things are indeed moving along. Status update with no contact (01/06/2020), DMR-BMAT.
Status update DMR-BMAT, no contact, no email
The program I submitted to funded 5 proposals every year in the past several years. This year, they have already funded 6 proposals. I was asked for updated current&pending list in the middle of November. Two days later, I was asked to submit public abstract as soon as I can. After another two days, I was asked to revise the budget. At that time, PO briefly talked to me through the phone about how to revise the budget and he also said they are trying to fund my proposal but nothing is guaranteed.
My proposal is still pending until now.
This is my second submission. Last year's ratings are excellent, very good, very good/good. This year's proposal was revised from last year's submission and the changes made mainly addressed the third reviewer's safety concern.
I am wondering what is going on with my proposal. Do I still have a chance this year?
Anyone has any idea?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 06, 2020, 02:50:02 AM
It sounds like outside of the PO's name many folks don't know how the PO operates, which then would lead to "I don't want to bother them" posts.
If the only time you're contacting your PO is to check on the status of your proposal, I can see why there would be some issues here. POs are people at the end of the day and should be treated as such. Think about it, do you like hearing from people only when they want/need something?
From my previous experience, most POs like to hear from researchers. I've had lunch with a handful of POs over the last few years and it's never because I had a proposal pending, or funded, with them. I just wanted to get to know them a bit better and gauge what they may be interested in funding and they were trying to gauge whether I would be a fit for funding. Therefore, when I email, I do get replies usually right away and I'd venture to guess that is because I'm not just another email from someone they do not know asking what the status of a proposal is that is within the 6 month window.
When you do want to follow-up on a proposal the shorter the email the better. And it needs to get right to the point. You need to supply the PO with the solicitation for which you submitted the proposal as well as the proposal number. If you have another agency where you need feedback from the NSF to complete that pending proposal (i.e., DOE or NIH), be sure to let the PO know this, but once again keep it brief. Your PO doesn't want an essay or even a paragraph. 3-4 sentences should be the target length.
Lastly, read between the lines. The PO isn't going to directly tell you which way the funding winds are blowing. However, the PO may say something along the lines of "be patient", which is saying your proposal is still being considered. If this is the reply then you need to wait and be patient. The PO may also tell you that your proposal "reviewed well", which is good, but shy of saying that it has been recommended, but also lets you know that the panel has met and most likely decisions will be forthcoming. There can be a delay in gathering the panel reviews and generating the overall summary and this is part of the reason panel reviews are not released as soon as the panel meets.
If your proposal has been declined, the PO has no incentive in delaying to tell you that information if they know it. Also, contacting your PO will not change whether your proposal was going to be funded or not. It's not like they're sitting back saying the next person to contact me about the status will have their proposal instantly declined.
In closing, get to know your PO and understand that the PO at any given time is working on multiple solicitations and not just the one for which you submitted. They get emails all day long about the status of proposals, which are tiring to go through, which is why they have the template email saying 6-months queued up.
This is a bit of cultural problem. Many of us come from many different places with very different cultures of understanding power and conversation. Different people read between the lines differently. For example, to me "be patient" has a negative tone with no direct information, instead "your proposal was reviewed well" has a more positive tone with more precise information about the proposal. Of course it could be read differently as you have explained. We are trained to write and read as clearly and directly as possible. We are not trained to read between the lines. And our diverse cultural background doesn't help us here.
Definitely you were fortunate enough to get more opportunities to know your PO. I am sure these "I don't want to bother them" people also want to know how their POs operate. Probably they have written to them, received some cold replies, and thought that POs wanted to maintain a distance from them.
I tried to meet my PO, didn't get a reply. Sent a generic request if it's possible to include me as a reviewer, received a positive reply but never got a chance to be a panelist. Sent the abstract of my CAREER proposal last year, did not get a response. This year again sent my abstract and asked for a short meeting. Got a reply: we can talk if there are any specific issues. Eventually I switched to another program and submitted my CAREER after having a phone meeting with the PO. I served as a panelist for this PO and had a phone meeting about another proposal which got funded. I had chances to meet other POs who were also great to talk to.
My conclusion: Don't generalize. Every PO is going to be different.
Whenever I want to know more about NSF and hear from people about it, I always think the story of "the blind men and an elephant" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant).
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on January 06, 2020, 09:36:42 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 06, 2020, 02:50:02 AM
It sounds like outside of the PO's name many folks don't know how the PO operates, which then would lead to "I don't want to bother them" posts.
If the only time you're contacting your PO is to check on the status of your proposal, I can see why there would be some issues here. POs are people at the end of the day and should be treated as such. Think about it, do you like hearing from people only when they want/need something?
From my previous experience, most POs like to hear from researchers. I've had lunch with a handful of POs over the last few years and it's never because I had a proposal pending, or funded, with them. I just wanted to get to know them a bit better and gauge what they may be interested in funding and they were trying to gauge whether I would be a fit for funding. Therefore, when I email, I do get replies usually right away and I'd venture to guess that is because I'm not just another email from someone they do not know asking what the status of a proposal is that is within the 6 month window.
When you do want to follow-up on a proposal the shorter the email the better. And it needs to get right to the point. You need to supply the PO with the solicitation for which you submitted the proposal as well as the proposal number. If you have another agency where you need feedback from the NSF to complete that pending proposal (i.e., DOE or NIH), be sure to let the PO know this, but once again keep it brief. Your PO doesn't want an essay or even a paragraph. 3-4 sentences should be the target length.
Lastly, read between the lines. The PO isn't going to directly tell you which way the funding winds are blowing. However, the PO may say something along the lines of "be patient", which is saying your proposal is still being considered. If this is the reply then you need to wait and be patient. The PO may also tell you that your proposal "reviewed well", which is good, but shy of saying that it has been recommended, but also lets you know that the panel has met and most likely decisions will be forthcoming. There can be a delay in gathering the panel reviews and generating the overall summary and this is part of the reason panel reviews are not released as soon as the panel meets.
If your proposal has been declined, the PO has no incentive in delaying to tell you that information if they know it. Also, contacting your PO will not change whether your proposal was going to be funded or not. It's not like they're sitting back saying the next person to contact me about the status will have their proposal instantly declined.
In closing, get to know your PO and understand that the PO at any given time is working on multiple solicitations and not just the one for which you submitted. They get emails all day long about the status of proposals, which are tiring to go through, which is why they have the template email saying 6-months queued up.
This is a bit of cultural problem. Many of us come from many different places with very different cultures of understanding power and conversation. Different people read between the lines differently. For example, to me "be patient" has a negative tone with no direct information, instead "your proposal was reviewed well" has a more positive tone with more precise information about the proposal. Of course it could be read differently as you have explained. We are trained to write and read as clearly and directly as possible. We are not trained to read between the lines. And our diverse cultural background doesn't help us here.
Definitely you were fortunate enough to get more opportunities to know your PO. I am sure these "I don't want to bother them" people also want to know how their POs operate. Probably they have written to them, received some cold replies, and thought that POs wanted to maintain a distance from them.
I tried to meet my PO, didn't get a reply. Sent a generic request if it's possible to include me as a reviewer, received a positive reply but never got a chance to be a panelist. Sent the abstract of my CAREER proposal last year, did not get a response. This year again sent my abstract and asked for a short meeting. Got a reply: we can talk if there are any specific issues. Eventually I switched to another program and submitted my CAREER after having a phone meeting with the PO. I served as a panelist for this PO and had a phone meeting about another proposal which got funded. I had chances to meet other POs who were also great to talk to.
My conclusion: Don't generalize. Every PO is going to be different.
Whenever I want to know more about NSF and hear from people about it, I always think the story of "the blind men and an elephant" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant).
You must be referencing the royal "we" and speaking about yourself. Everyone has training that exists outside of academia and that manifests I self in our social interactions.
I'll keep this short as someone who served as a fellow to several POs in CISE.
The people who work at the NSF are not a monolith. Each PO is different and each PO is ENCOURAGED to interact with fellow researchers. However, the workload during various times of the year for each PO also varies, which impacts their ability to have meaningful conversations. Additionally, many POs have good intentions, will read an email and say they'll come back to it and it simply slips their mind.
These are people at the end of the day. If they were cold or simply didn't respond there is no harm in allowing some time to pass and reaching out again. I've never once heard, and I've heard a lot, a PO say, "I don't like XYZ researcher". It just doesn't happen. And the 10 POs I've worked with are often open to having their minds changed as evidence is produced.
In closing, "a closed mouth doesn't get fed".
Good luck with your CAREER proposal and any other potential funding opportunities.
Any news, status update, or date change from EAR folks?
Rejected for the third time (DMR-BMAT, competitive). I'll admit some frustration as it reviewed less favorably each year as I continued to address the panel comments. In retrospect I should have focused solely on writing a good clear proposal while hoping for an enthusiastic panel instead of proactively addressing the critiques from each batch of reviewers.
Quote from: docwalrus on January 07, 2020, 07:10:16 AM
Rejected for the third time (DMR-BMAT, competitive). I'll admit some frustration as it reviewed less favorably each year as I continued to address the panel comments. In retrospect I should have focused solely on writing a good clear proposal while hoping for an enthusiastic panel instead of proactively addressing the critiques from each batch of reviewers.
Sorry to hear that.. Good luck for your future NSF regular grants!
Quote from: docwalrus on January 07, 2020, 07:10:16 AM
Rejected for the third time (DMR-BMAT, competitive). I'll admit some frustration as it reviewed less favorably each year as I continued to address the panel comments. In retrospect I should have focused solely on writing a good clear proposal while hoping for an enthusiastic panel instead of proactively addressing the critiques from each batch of reviewers.
Sorry about that result and the road to it.
Your lesson from the experience is a good one. Obeying reviewers makes resubmissions more compliant, but less exciting. A proposal with a clear and compelling idea sells better (but still has to be pretty compliant).
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 07, 2020, 02:36:26 AM
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on January 06, 2020, 09:36:42 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 06, 2020, 02:50:02 AM
It sounds like outside of the PO's name many folks don't know how the PO operates, which then would lead to "I don't want to bother them" posts.
If the only time you're contacting your PO is to check on the status of your proposal, I can see why there would be some issues here. POs are people at the end of the day and should be treated as such. Think about it, do you like hearing from people only when they want/need something?
From my previous experience, most POs like to hear from researchers. I've had lunch with a handful of POs over the last few years and it's never because I had a proposal pending, or funded, with them. I just wanted to get to know them a bit better and gauge what they may be interested in funding and they were trying to gauge whether I would be a fit for funding. Therefore, when I email, I do get replies usually right away and I'd venture to guess that is because I'm not just another email from someone they do not know asking what the status of a proposal is that is within the 6 month window.
When you do want to follow-up on a proposal the shorter the email the better. And it needs to get right to the point. You need to supply the PO with the solicitation for which you submitted the proposal as well as the proposal number. If you have another agency where you need feedback from the NSF to complete that pending proposal (i.e., DOE or NIH), be sure to let the PO know this, but once again keep it brief. Your PO doesn't want an essay or even a paragraph. 3-4 sentences should be the target length.
Lastly, read between the lines. The PO isn't going to directly tell you which way the funding winds are blowing. However, the PO may say something along the lines of "be patient", which is saying your proposal is still being considered. If this is the reply then you need to wait and be patient. The PO may also tell you that your proposal "reviewed well", which is good, but shy of saying that it has been recommended, but also lets you know that the panel has met and most likely decisions will be forthcoming. There can be a delay in gathering the panel reviews and generating the overall summary and this is part of the reason panel reviews are not released as soon as the panel meets.
If your proposal has been declined, the PO has no incentive in delaying to tell you that information if they know it. Also, contacting your PO will not change whether your proposal was going to be funded or not. It's not like they're sitting back saying the next person to contact me about the status will have their proposal instantly declined.
In closing, get to know your PO and understand that the PO at any given time is working on multiple solicitations and not just the one for which you submitted. They get emails all day long about the status of proposals, which are tiring to go through, which is why they have the template email saying 6-months queued up.
This is a bit of cultural problem. Many of us come from many different places with very different cultures of understanding power and conversation. Different people read between the lines differently. For example, to me "be patient" has a negative tone with no direct information, instead "your proposal was reviewed well" has a more positive tone with more precise information about the proposal. Of course it could be read differently as you have explained. We are trained to write and read as clearly and directly as possible. We are not trained to read between the lines. And our diverse cultural background doesn't help us here.
Definitely you were fortunate enough to get more opportunities to know your PO. I am sure these "I don't want to bother them" people also want to know how their POs operate. Probably they have written to them, received some cold replies, and thought that POs wanted to maintain a distance from them.
I tried to meet my PO, didn't get a reply. Sent a generic request if it's possible to include me as a reviewer, received a positive reply but never got a chance to be a panelist. Sent the abstract of my CAREER proposal last year, did not get a response. This year again sent my abstract and asked for a short meeting. Got a reply: we can talk if there are any specific issues. Eventually I switched to another program and submitted my CAREER after having a phone meeting with the PO. I served as a panelist for this PO and had a phone meeting about another proposal which got funded. I had chances to meet other POs who were also great to talk to.
My conclusion: Don't generalize. Every PO is going to be different.
Whenever I want to know more about NSF and hear from people about it, I always think the story of "the blind men and an elephant" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant).
You must be referencing the royal "we" and speaking about yourself. Everyone has training that exists outside of academia and that manifests I self in our social interactions.
I'll keep this short as someone who served as a fellow to several POs in CISE.
The people who work at the NSF are not a monolith. Each PO is different and each PO is ENCOURAGED to interact with fellow researchers. However, the workload during various times of the year for each PO also varies, which impacts their ability to have meaningful conversations. Additionally, many POs have good intentions, will read an email and say they'll come back to it and it simply slips their mind.
These are people at the end of the day. If they were cold or simply didn't respond there is no harm in allowing some time to pass and reaching out again. I've never once heard, and I've heard a lot, a PO say, "I don't like XYZ researcher". It just doesn't happen. And the 10 POs I've worked with are often open to having their minds changed as evidence is produced.
In closing, "a closed mouth doesn't get fed".
Good luck with your CAREER proposal and any other potential funding opportunities.
Thanks. I appreciate sharing your experience with us. When I was writing my CAREER proposal, someone with a lot of NSF experience in my university mentored me. He advised me the same things as you said. Reach out to your PO and pitch your idea. Pick up the phone and call them. If they are busy, they will not answer your call.
deeply_uncertain: "Whenever I want to know more about NSF and hear from people about it, I always think the story of "the blind men and an elephant" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant)"
Love this analogy. Basically captures all grant-getting advice I have ever received (and probably most of the grant advice I've given).
Any news from CMMI ECI? My status date changed on November 21, but still pending!
My status date changed yesterday, 01/07/2020. CMMI DCSD program.
The Status Date of my proposal changed on 10/07/2019, but nothing has changed since then. It is in CISE-CCF-CIF.
The PO is new and I didn't see any panel meetings leaded by this PO from the following link
https://www.nsf.gov/events/advisory.jsp
I saw that the other PO in the same program has several panel meetings, one in middle November and the rest in December.
How likely is it that the panel of my proposal was held before 10/07/2019? Any thoughts on my case? Thanks
Did anyone hear any news about CMMI-OE? I received no PO contact, no status update, and found nothing on twitter so far.
No change to my CMMI ECI status or date since the change to date on 12/16/2019. Has ECI made any calls or send rejections to anyone?
My status date in CMMI ECI changed to 1/4 without any further news
Hey all - I am back and shocked to see this thread go from almost no activity to over 20 pages!!
Also, very happy to see that your proposal was funded @zelda166! Congratulations!
I still have no news on my end. It looks like the panels may not even meet for another month, unless it is going to go through ad hoc review.
Congrats to all who received positive news so far. For those who have been declined, keep on keeping on! There is always the next cycle or a standard grant that may fit your needs better!
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on January 07, 2020, 09:37:21 AM
Thanks. I appreciate sharing your experience with us. When I was writing my CAREER proposal, someone with a lot of NSF experience in my university mentored me. He advised me the same things as you said. Reach out to your PO and pitch your idea. Pick up the phone and call them. If they are busy, they will not answer your call.
I understand where you are coming from here. I have also had a chance to meet with some former POs and to be mentored by a few experienced NSF grant getters and former POs. I had also served on a few panels before applying. However, when it came to the CAREER process, I felt completely unprepared, and many experienced grantees shared how opaque the CAREER process is compared to a standard grant where guidelines are more spelled out. I also had a tremendously hard time connecting with the PO the first year I submitted. Though I had known a few POs in the past, when it came time to submit my CAREER, they had rotated out, so it took me a while to get to know new POs and connect with an available PO. Sometimes it may be the luck of the draw (these past 2 years were especially hard on those submitting grants with all the administrative changes, which I think were stressful for all).
All I can say is, I wish I knew then what I know now. But I also have learned to take things in stride a bit more, and learned of other granting organizations and NSF standard grants that could be fallback plans. I've also become a better grant writer, and become better at conceptualizing and selling my ideas. If this time doesn't work out (last chance for the CAREER for me), I'll be pretty bummed, but I will also have a better idea how to advise and support others, and what options to pursue for funding moving forward.
If there is a panel meeting, is it true that the meeting should be announced in advance in the following link?https://www.nsf.gov/events/advisory.jsp
I couldn't find any panel meetings led by my PO from that website when I checked in the last three months.
Quote from: professing on January 08, 2020, 04:28:49 PM
Hey all - I am back and shocked to see this thread go from almost no activity to over 20 pages!!
Also, very happy to see that your proposal was funded @zelda166! Congratulations!
I still have no news on my end. It looks like the panels may not even meet for another month, unless it is going to go through ad hoc review.
Congrats to all who received positive news so far. For those who have been declined, keep on keeping on! There is always the next cycle or a standard grant that may fit your needs better!
The panel was usually led by the non-rotation PO. if your assigned PO is on rotation, you may not see his or her name.
PO oversees another program to fill in. Must be very busy.
Quote from: hql5143 on January 08, 2020, 01:27:27 PM
Did anyone hear any news about CMMI-OE? I received no PO contact, no status update, and found nothing on twitter so far.
Quote from: taray on January 08, 2020, 02:21:33 PM
My status date in CMMI ECI changed to 1/4 without any further news
Declined
Ouch. Sorry to hear that.
I hope other options open up for you.
M.
Quote from: mamselle on January 09, 2020, 07:29:32 AM
Ouch. Sorry to hear that.
I hope other options open up for you.
M.
Thanks 😊
Thanks for sharing this.
If there is a panel meeting, is it true that the meeting is usually announced in advance in the following link?https://www.nsf.gov/events/advisory.jsp
Quote from: J.dodo1988 on January 09, 2020, 01:42:56 AM
The panel was usually led by the non-rotation PO. if your assigned PO is on rotation, you may not see his or her name.
Also, declined: (
Declined! CMMI ECI.
Quote from: alex000 on January 08, 2020, 07:39:29 PM
If there is a panel meeting, is it true that the meeting should be announced in advance in the following link?https://www.nsf.gov/events/advisory.jsp
I couldn't find any panel meetings led by my PO from that website when I checked in the last three months.
I think it's really just a guessing game for the most part. I've just gone to that link and made an educated guess based on the listed program meetings and POs listed. My PO was listed a few times in the fall for panels, but there was no status change for my grant since early fall (way before the panels). With my past experience, it seemed relatively certain that the proposal was not reviewed during these panels or there would have been a status change. The next few panels for the directorate and program are not until next month or the month after. Again, I really don't have any inside information, so it is just educated guesses based on the last 2 submissions. It is possible the proposal is being ad hoc reviewed in which case I would really not have a sense of the timeline at all.
I'm sorry to hear about the rejections folks! It stings for a while (I know). Give yourself a few days, refocus and review, share with trusted colleagues and resubmit. If you can't resubmit for the CAREER, there are many other standard grant options depending on your directorate. I can't remember whose blog I read, but I recall one prolific academic blogger listing the 10+ grant rejections they had before finally starting their (now very lengthy) acceptance streak.
Quote from: helloworld on January 09, 2020, 05:56:51 AM
PO oversees another program to fill in. Must be very busy.
Quote from: hql5143 on January 08, 2020, 01:27:27 PM
Did anyone hear any news about CMMI-OE? I received no PO contact, no status update, and found nothing on twitter so far.
Thanks. I just realized that the PO oversees three different programs. Could be a lot of work.
Submitted to DMR-CMMT. Emailed PO to inquire and status date changed immediately after, but still shows "pending". Is rejection inbound? Any help to read the tea leaves would be appreciated!
Quote from: xamxam on January 09, 2020, 02:00:46 PM
Submitted to DMR-CMMT. Emailed PO to inquire and status date changed immediately after, but still shows "pending". Is rejection inbound? Any help to read the tea leaves would be appreciated!
Did you receive a status change with a recent date? If it is still pending with the original or an early date (summer/early fall), then it may not have been reviewed yet, unless it is ad hoc reviewed.
CMMT does ad-hoc review only. Showed pending with July 2019 date until I emailed PO. Also CMMT funds 10 per year based on historical data. This year 5 people have already received awards.
Quote from: xamxam on January 09, 2020, 02:34:43 PM
CMMT does ad-hoc review only. Showed pending with July 2019 date until I emailed PO. Also CMMT funds 10 per year based on historical data. This year 5 people have already received awards.
I am assuming that you have a date change since you said it was pending as July until you emailed the PO. Typically, if there is a date change before contact, it signals that a rejection may be forthcoming. However, I have heard of and seen date changes right before it is sent out for review or before a panel. It is uncertain here, but I would prepare for either scenario.
Many CISE proposals will have decisions by the end of the month...not all, but certainly most.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 09, 2020, 04:47:31 PM
Many CISE proposals will have decisions by the end of the month...not all, but certainly most.
Is it because of six months since submission?
Quote from: rusunyii on January 09, 2020, 05:50:59 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 09, 2020, 04:47:31 PM
Many CISE proposals will have decisions by the end of the month...not all, but certainly most.
Is it because of six months since submission?
The 6 month thing is just a guideline and based on workflow. However, the timeframe could be significantly longer than 6 months.
It'll be by the week for most in CISE CAREER awards because decisions would have been made.
Thanks for the information. I thought most CISE decisions have been notified in December. My panel was held very late and may need to wait for longer.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 09, 2020, 06:21:33 PM
Quote from: rusunyii on January 09, 2020, 05:50:59 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 09, 2020, 04:47:31 PM
Many CISE proposals will have decisions by the end of the month...not all, but certainly most.
Is it because of six months since submission?
The 6 month thing is just a guideline and based on workflow. However, the timeframe could be significantly longer than 6 months.
It'll be by the week for most in CISE CAREER awards because decisions would have been made.
Quote from: rusunyii on January 09, 2020, 06:34:46 PM
Thanks for the information. I thought most CISE decisions have been notified in December. My panel was held very late and may need to wait for longer.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 09, 2020, 06:21:33 PM
Quote from: rusunyii on January 09, 2020, 05:50:59 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 09, 2020, 04:47:31 PM
Many CISE proposals will have decisions by the end of the month...not all, but certainly most.
Is it because of six months since submission?
The 6 month thing is just a guideline and based on workflow. However, the timeframe could be significantly longer than 6 months.
It'll be by the week for most in CISE CAREER awards because decisions would have been made.
Very few CISE notifications occurred in December. Those who were notified were in CCF. Most of CISE didn't have budgets until mid-December. The 3rd week of December was basically end of year wrapping up. 4th and 5th weeks of December were holidays with many POs having an OOO reply until this past Monday, which is typical of this time of year. There's movement this week in terms of updating statuses and loading pending rejections. Only 2 published CISE awards, both from CCF, for this cycle. A lot of movement in the upcoming weeks. Cant really share more info than that at this time.
Thanks a lot. Then, the notifications will come soon.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 09, 2020, 07:13:52 PM
Quote from: rusunyii on January 09, 2020, 06:34:46 PM
Thanks for the information. I thought most CISE decisions have been notified in December. My panel was held very late and may need to wait for longer.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 09, 2020, 06:21:33 PM
Quote from: rusunyii on January 09, 2020, 05:50:59 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 09, 2020, 04:47:31 PM
Many CISE proposals will have decisions by the end of the month...not all, but certainly most.
Is it because of six months since submission?
The 6 month thing is just a guideline and based on workflow. However, the timeframe could be significantly longer than 6 months.
It'll be by the week for most in CISE CAREER awards because decisions would have been made.
Very few CISE notifications occurred in December. Those who were notified were in CCF. Most of CISE didn't have budgets until mid-December. The 3rd week of December was basically end of year wrapping up. 4th and 5th weeks of December were holidays with many POs having an OOO reply until this past Monday, which is typical of this time of year. There's movement this week in terms of updating statuses and loading pending rejections. Only 2 published CISE awards, both from CCF, for this cycle. A lot of movement in the upcoming weeks. Cant really share more info than that at this time.
Quote from: hql5143 on January 09, 2020, 12:11:18 PM
Quote from: helloworld on January 09, 2020, 05:56:51 AM
PO oversees another program to fill in. Must be very busy.
Quote from: hql5143 on January 08, 2020, 01:27:27 PM
Did anyone hear any news about CMMI-OE? I received no PO contact, no status update, and found nothing on twitter so far.
Thanks. I just realized that the PO oversees three different programs. Could be a lot of work.
My status date was updated. No PO contact. Awaiting declination now.
Received call from PO today that I was recommended for funding! CHE-CMI. Second submission. First time got 3 Good, 1 excellent/VG, one fair/good.
Timeline for this submission:
-received email mid-October with request for updated C&P. Sent it in same day.
-nothing. anxiously checking fastlane once a day beginning in December. (Total waste of time but oddly comforting)
-emailed PO Dec 17 asking for update. Nearly instant reply with standard wait 6 months response.
-phone call today Jan 10 saying it will be funded and send public abstract and re-updated C&P.
Second time CAREER applicant here. My sympathies to those who were declined, congratulations to those who were awarded, and best of luck to those who are still anxiously waiting (me included).
CONGRATS!
Congrats! Thanks for sharing the information!
Quote from: fizzycist on January 10, 2020, 05:21:39 PM
Received call from PO today that I was recommended for funding! CHE-CMI. Second submission. First time got 3 Good, 1 excellent/VG, one fair/good.
Timeline for this submission:
-received email mid-October with request for updated C&P. Sent it in same day.
-nothing. anxiously checking fastlane once a day beginning in December. (Total waste of time but oddly comforting)
-emailed PO Dec 17 asking for update. Nearly instant reply with standard wait 6 months response.
-phone call today Jan 10 saying it will be funded and send public abstract and re-updated C&P.
Quote from: hql5143 on January 10, 2020, 03:54:01 PM
Quote from: hql5143 on January 09, 2020, 12:11:18 PM
Quote from: helloworld on January 09, 2020, 05:56:51 AM
PO oversees another program to fill in. Must be very busy.
Quote from: hql5143 on January 08, 2020, 01:27:27 PM
Did anyone hear any news about CMMI-OE? I received no PO contact, no status update, and found nothing on twitter so far.
Thanks. I just realized that the PO oversees three different programs. Could be a lot of work.
My status date was updated. No PO contact. Awaiting declination now.
I am sorry for the date change. I am in a similar boat - I am in a neighboring program the PO was filling in for but date change occurred a couple days ago....
Quote from: fizzycist on January 10, 2020, 05:21:39 PM
Received call from PO today that I was recommended for funding! CHE-CMI. Second submission. First time got 3 Good, 1 excellent/VG, one fair/good.
Timeline for this submission:
-received email mid-October with request for updated C&P. Sent it in same day.
-nothing. anxiously checking fastlane once a day beginning in December. (Total waste of time but oddly comforting)
-emailed PO Dec 17 asking for update. Nearly instant reply with standard wait 6 months response.
-phone call today Jan 10 saying it will be funded and send public abstract and re-updated C&P.
Congrats!! Best of luck with your award.
Congratulations! Do you mind sharing the scores for this time?
Quote from: fizzycist on January 10, 2020, 05:21:39 PM
Received call from PO today that I was recommended for funding! CHE-CMI. Second submission. First time got 3 Good, 1 excellent/VG, one fair/good.
Timeline for this submission:
-received email mid-October with request for updated C&P. Sent it in same day.
-nothing. anxiously checking fastlane once a day beginning in December. (Total waste of time but oddly comforting)
-emailed PO Dec 17 asking for update. Nearly instant reply with standard wait 6 months response.
-phone call today Jan 10 saying it will be funded and send public abstract and re-updated C&P.
Some IIS (CISE) awards have been published
Declined. Oh well. One more year of anxiety and then it will be over regardless of the outcome :D.
Quote from: helloworld on January 11, 2020, 05:35:33 AM
Quote from: hql5143 on January 10, 2020, 03:54:01 PM
Quote from: hql5143 on January 09, 2020, 12:11:18 PM
Quote from: helloworld on January 09, 2020, 05:56:51 AM
PO oversees another program to fill in. Must be very busy.
Quote from: hql5143 on January 08, 2020, 01:27:27 PM
Did anyone hear any news about CMMI-OE? I received no PO contact, no status update, and found nothing on twitter so far.
Thanks. I just realized that the PO oversees three different programs. Could be a lot of work.
My status date was updated. No PO contact. Awaiting declination now.
I am sorry for the date change. I am in a similar boat - I am in a neighboring program the PO was filling in for but date change occurred a couple days ago....
Hope that the less frequent case about the date change would happen to you. If not, other opportunities will open up for you.
NSF CMMI BMMB, status date changed without PO contact on Saturday, waiting for rejection :(
Declined today. Going for the next round. Good luck!
Declined today. CMMI DCSD. Going for my last chance this July.
Sorry to hear about the declensions.
Encouragement to all.
M.
Declined today. I got 6 reviews. Is that normal? I have never seen 6 reviews before.
I got 4 VG/G, 1 G and 1 G/F. So I guess not good at all... :(
Quote from: hql5143 on January 10, 2020, 03:54:01 PM
Quote from: hql5143 on January 09, 2020, 12:11:18 PM
Quote from: helloworld on January 09, 2020, 05:56:51 AM
PO oversees another program to fill in. Must be very busy.
Quote from: hql5143 on January 08, 2020, 01:27:27 PM
Did anyone hear any news about CMMI-OE? I received no PO contact, no status update, and found nothing on twitter so far.
Thanks. I just realized that the PO oversees three different programs. Could be a lot of work.
My status date was updated. No PO contact. Awaiting declination now.
Declined today; two VG/Gs and two Gs. Congrats to those who received the award this year and good luck to all that will try again or try other opportunities for this year.
That's so unfortunate.
It seems that with more reviewers, the grade will be lower, even though NSF said it is statistically the same.
Quote from: humptydumpty on January 13, 2020, 02:44:13 PM
Declined today. I got 6 reviews. Is that normal? I have never seen 6 reviews before.
I got 4 VG/G, 1 G and 1 G/F. So I guess not good at all... :(
Good luck to you!
It looks like a funded career should get an average of VG?
Quote from: hql5143 on January 13, 2020, 06:31:50 PM
Quote from: hql5143 on January 10, 2020, 03:54:01 PM
Quote from: hql5143 on January 09, 2020, 12:11:18 PM
Quote from: helloworld on January 09, 2020, 05:56:51 AM
PO oversees another program to fill in. Must be very busy.
Quote from: hql5143 on January 08, 2020, 01:27:27 PM
Did anyone hear any news about CMMI-OE? I received no PO contact, no status update, and found nothing on twitter so far.
Thanks. I just realized that the PO oversees three different programs. Could be a lot of work.
My status date was updated. No PO contact. Awaiting declination now.
Declined today; two VG/Gs and two Gs. Congrats to those who received the award this year and good luck to all that will try again or try other opportunities for this year.
I think it shall be a combo consisting of "only" E and/or VG. A "G" may lead to rejection.
Well, this is only from my limited observation.
Quote from: Staywarm on January 13, 2020, 08:13:51 PM
Good luck to you!
It looks like a funded career should get an average of VG?
Quote from: hql5143 on January 13, 2020, 06:31:50 PM
Quote from: hql5143 on January 10, 2020, 03:54:01 PM
Quote from: hql5143 on January 09, 2020, 12:11:18 PM
Quote from: helloworld on January 09, 2020, 05:56:51 AM
PO oversees another program to fill in. Must be very busy.
Quote from: hql5143 on January 08, 2020, 01:27:27 PM
Did anyone hear any news about CMMI-OE? I received no PO contact, no status update, and found nothing on twitter so far.
Thanks. I just realized that the PO oversees three different programs. Could be a lot of work.
My status date was updated. No PO contact. Awaiting declination now.
Declined today; two VG/Gs and two Gs. Congrats to those who received the award this year and good luck to all that will try again or try other opportunities for this year.
Finally, my status changed to declined today (CMMI-AM). Thanks so much, everyone here, for exchanging useful information. I have been feeling very supportive. Glad that I can move on now. Congratulations again to those who won the award. Best luck to those who are still waiting.
I am sorry to hear of the rejections. But I am also glad to hear that this has been a supportive and informative thread for many (@zjdeer). I have also felt very supported and learned a lot about the different directorates, review processes, scoring differences, and outcomes.
@sandy689 @staywarm - The scores for some directorates may weigh differently than others. Some directorates have a better funding rates than others, and I would assume for some it may also depend on how many standard grants or CAREERs are received (e.g., Funding Rates listed in 2017 slides: https://www.nsf.gov/mps/dms/career_and_pecase_information/career_webinar_slides_2017.pdf)
I have not yet heard back about my CAREER, so it seems that some directorates may still be reviewing or weighing decisions as well.
Hi all,
Sorry to hear about all the rejections and thanks for sharing all the useful information. It has been fun keeping up with the forum.
I still have no updates and was wondering if anyone from EAR is in the same boat. I saw three awards announced last week so many still to come.
Best of luck to everyone still waiting.
FOR career proposals, do we get a panel summary or is it only PM summary?
My status date changed to 11/14 but it is still pending. I submitted a public abstract back in November. What might happen next?
Thanks.
I hope people will join other threads on the Forum after this round of grants is over...don't just disappear!
Your voices are welcome!!
M.
Earlier this day I was 100% confident that my proposal was going to be rejected and that they were just taking a long time to officially decline it. But then I got a call from my PO saying the grant was reviewed well and requesting that I answer reviewer/staff questions. What a psychological turnaround!
Hope others have good news still awaiting them.
Quote from: skm15 on January 17, 2020, 02:36:58 PM
Earlier this day I was 100% confident that my proposal was going to be rejected and that they were just taking a long time to officially decline it. But then I got a call from my PO saying the grant was reviewed well and requesting that I answer reviewer/staff questions. What a psychological turnaround!
Hope others have good news still awaiting them.
Congrats and thank you for the information. I thought it's too late to hear any good news.
Really great to know! Anyone hear from SBE on CAREER or specifically SCISIP yet? I have also heard nothing yet hence me inquiring.
I got my reviewers' comments back: Excellent/very good, Excellent/very good., Excellent/very good, Very good/good.
PANEL RECOMMENDATION: Moderately Competitive
The status has been changed to Recommended. At this stage, is my proposal is safe already or it all depends on the budget?
Quote from: zhupeifen on January 22, 2020, 08:33:34 AM
I got my reviewers' comments back: Excellent/very good, Excellent/very good., Excellent/very good, Very good/good.
PANEL RECOMMENDATION: Moderately Competitive
The status has been changed to Recommended. At this stage, is my proposal is safe already or it all depends on the budget?
That's great. Congrats!! I don't think NSF will change the status to recommended without making sure that there is a budget for it.
Nothing is official until it's funded.
There have been recommended proposals that have gone unfunded.
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on January 23, 2020, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: zhupeifen on January 22, 2020, 08:33:34 AM
I got my reviewers' comments back: Excellent/very good, Excellent/very good., Excellent/very good, Very good/good.
PANEL RECOMMENDATION: Moderately Competitive
The status has been changed to Recommended. At this stage, is my proposal is safe already or it all depends on the budget?
That's great. Congrats!! I don't think NSF will change the status to recommended without making sure that there is a budget for it.
Thanks.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 24, 2020, 08:55:17 AM
Nothing is official until it's funded.
There have been recommended proposals that have gone unfunded.
Thanks.
I was contacted by PO late November to submit response to reviews and also an abstract! Nothing happened after I submitted both and the status remained pending. I emailed PO on 1/21 and inquired about the status; I got no response. But the status date was updated on 1/23. Any thoughts if this is positive or negative? This has been pretty nerve-racking.
Congratulations!!!
Quote from: skm15 on January 17, 2020, 02:36:58 PM
Earlier this day I was 100% confident that my proposal was going to be rejected and that they were just taking a long time to officially decline it. But then I got a call from my PO saying the grant was reviewed well and requesting that I answer reviewer/staff questions. What a psychological turnaround!
Hope others have good news still awaiting them.
Quote from: frzy on January 25, 2020, 10:08:04 PM
I was contacted by PO late November to submit response to reviews and also an abstract! Nothing happened after I submitted both and the status remained pending. I emailed PO on 1/21 and inquired about the status; I got no response. But the status date was updated on 1/23. Any thoughts if this is positive or negative? This has been pretty nerve-racking.
I'm not certain but typically when they ask for an abstract, it means it will likely be funded... However, reading the tea leaves is never a certainty I have learned. Overall, over the years, everyone who has indicated they had abstracts requested were funded, though they often did have an excruciating wait before it was finalized. I hope this is good news for you.
Quote from: da457 on January 20, 2020, 10:08:33 AM
Really great to know! Anyone hear from SBE on CAREER or specifically SCISIP yet? I have also heard nothing yet hence me inquiring.
I didn't apply to SBE, but, in my experience, they tend to be slower than the bio, engineering and computer science directorates, like EHR. I am still waiting on EHR...
Quote from: professing on January 27, 2020, 10:24:07 PM
Quote from: da457 on January 20, 2020, 10:08:33 AM
Really great to know! Anyone hear from SBE on CAREER or specifically SCISIP yet? I have also heard nothing yet hence me inquiring.
I didn't apply to SBE, but, in my experience, they tend to be slower than the bio, engineering and computer science directorates, like EHR. I am still waiting on EHR...
I'm also waiting on EHR. I see several awards have been posted for DRL but not DUE (my division), so maybe there's still hope. Best of luck.
Has anyone NOT heard back from CBET?
I'm still waiting to hear anything (status date is still July 2019). Some colleagues who submitted to the same program got rejections back in November, so I'm hoping that no news is good news...(I will email the program director later this week to ask for updates)
Quote from: logdog on January 28, 2020, 07:17:48 AM
Quote from: professing on January 27, 2020, 10:24:07 PM
Quote from: da457 on January 20, 2020, 10:08:33 AM
Really great to know! Anyone hear from SBE on CAREER or specifically SCISIP yet? I have also heard nothing yet hence me inquiring.
I didn't apply to SBE, but, in my experience, they tend to be slower than the bio, engineering and computer science directorates, like EHR. I am still waiting on EHR...
I'm also waiting on EHR. I see several awards have been posted for DRL but not DUE (my division), so maybe there's still hope. Best of luck.
That's good to know - last time I applied for CAREER in SciSIP, I got rejected pretty quickly (2nd week of January), and I have heard some people get rejected in DRMS, so I too am hoping that there still may be a chance, but it is indeed nerve-wracking!
Quote from: professing on January 27, 2020, 10:21:11 PM
Quote from: frzy on January 25, 2020, 10:08:04 PM
I was contacted by PO late November to submit response to reviews and also an abstract! Nothing happened after I submitted both and the status remained pending. I emailed PO on 1/21 and inquired about the status; I got no response. But the status date was updated on 1/23. Any thoughts if this is positive or negative? This has been pretty nerve-racking.
I'm not certain but typically when they ask for an abstract, it means it will likely be funded... However, reading the tea leaves is never a certainty I have learned. Overall, over the years, everyone who has indicated they had abstracts requested were funded, though they often did have an excruciating wait before it was finalized. I hope this is good news for you.
Thanks for your feedback. I am hoping that the status date's change last week meant it is not declined yet and there is a chance it gets funded.
Quote from: frzy on January 28, 2020, 07:03:54 PM
Quote from: professing on January 27, 2020, 10:21:11 PM
Quote from: frzy on January 25, 2020, 10:08:04 PM
I was contacted by PO late November to submit response to reviews and also an abstract! Nothing happened after I submitted both and the status remained pending. I emailed PO on 1/21 and inquired about the status; I got no response. But the status date was updated on 1/23. Any thoughts if this is positive or negative? This has been pretty nerve-racking.
I'm not certain but typically when they ask for an abstract, it means it will likely be funded... However, reading the tea leaves is never a certainty I have learned. Overall, over the years, everyone who has indicated they had abstracts requested were funded, though they often did have an excruciating wait before it was finalized. I hope this is good news for you.
Thanks for your feedback. I am hoping that the status date's change last week meant it is not declined yet and there is a chance it gets funded.
My proposal just got recommended! This is with ECCS. I wish all those who have been waiting for their proposal the best of luck!
Yea! Glad to hear it!
M.
Quote from: frzy on January 29, 2020, 02:10:42 PM
Quote from: frzy on January 28, 2020, 07:03:54 PM
Quote from: professing on January 27, 2020, 10:21:11 PM
Quote from: frzy on January 25, 2020, 10:08:04 PM
I was contacted by PO late November to submit response to reviews and also an abstract! Nothing happened after I submitted both and the status remained pending. I emailed PO on 1/21 and inquired about the status; I got no response. But the status date was updated on 1/23. Any thoughts if this is positive or negative? This has been pretty nerve-racking.
I'm not certain but typically when they ask for an abstract, it means it will likely be funded... However, reading the tea leaves is never a certainty I have learned. Overall, over the years, everyone who has indicated they had abstracts requested were funded, though they often did have an excruciating wait before it was finalized. I hope this is good news for you.
Thanks for your feedback. I am hoping that the status date's change last week meant it is not declined yet and there is a chance it gets funded.
My proposal just got recommended! This is with ECCS. I wish all those who have been waiting for their proposal the best of luck!
Congratulations!! Which division under ECCS?
After last years shenanigans on first attempt (Mid-May decline), put in what I think was a much better second swing. No news yet, and I'm aware of at least some declines that have gone out, so may be on the fence again.
Quote from: frzy on January 29, 2020, 02:10:42 PM
Quote from: frzy on January 28, 2020, 07:03:54 PM
Quote from: professing on January 27, 2020, 10:21:11 PM
Quote from: frzy on January 25, 2020, 10:08:04 PM
I was contacted by PO late November to submit response to reviews and also an abstract! Nothing happened after I submitted both and the status remained pending. I emailed PO on 1/21 and inquired about the status; I got no response. But the status date was updated on 1/23. Any thoughts if this is positive or negative? This has been pretty nerve-racking.
I'm not certain but typically when they ask for an abstract, it means it will likely be funded... However, reading the tea leaves is never a certainty I have learned. Overall, over the years, everyone who has indicated they had abstracts requested were funded, though they often did have an excruciating wait before it was finalized. I hope this is good news for you.
Thanks for your feedback. I am hoping that the status date's change last week meant it is not declined yet and there is a chance it gets funded.
My proposal just got recommended! This is with ECCS. I wish all those who have been waiting for their proposal the best of luck!
Congratulations! That is wonderful news!
Quote from: JCu16 on January 30, 2020, 07:05:46 AM
After last years shenanigans on first attempt (Mid-May decline), put in what I think was a much better second swing. No news yet, and I'm aware of at least some declines that have gone out, so may be on the fence again.
Best of luck! I am still waiting, so it could just be a waiting game. I noticed that many with decisions had earlier starting dates. I wonder if they are prioritizing by starting date. Had I known, I might have listed an earlier start date. :)
I have not pinged my PO yet even though it is over the 6 month benchmark. I am planning to wait another week, since panels appear to be going on (according to the NSF website) but I am definitely nervous. First year, I didn't hear back until May/June (decline), second year was fast (early fall decline with feedback for targeted revisions), and this is my last go... I am willing to accept whatever decision is made, though I am willing to be patient in hopes of good news.
Quote from: da457 on January 28, 2020, 04:04:17 PM
Quote from: logdog on January 28, 2020, 07:17:48 AM
Quote from: professing on January 27, 2020, 10:24:07 PM
Quote from: da457 on January 20, 2020, 10:08:33 AM
Really great to know! Anyone hear from SBE on CAREER or specifically SCISIP yet? I have also heard nothing yet hence me inquiring.
I didn't apply to SBE, but, in my experience, they tend to be slower than the bio, engineering and computer science directorates, like EHR. I am still waiting on EHR...
That's good to know - last time I applied for CAREER in SciSIP, I got rejected pretty quickly (2nd week of January), and I have heard some people get rejected in DRMS, so I too am hoping that there still may be a chance, but it is indeed nerve-wracking!
I hear you! I am feeling similarly. Let's hope that it just means no review has happened (or is still pending). I try not to look at the numbers of acceptances and declines. At least in my directorate, they have always said they don't cap the awards, but fund the strongest ones. I hope that's the case.
I'm also waiting on EHR. I see several awards have been posted for DRL but not DUE (my division), so maybe there's still hope. Best of luck.
Quote from: professing on February 07, 2020, 01:57:56 PM
Quote from: JCu16 on January 30, 2020, 07:05:46 AM
After last years shenanigans on first attempt (Mid-May decline), put in what I think was a much better second swing. No news yet, and I'm aware of at least some declines that have gone out, so may be on the fence again.
Best of luck! I am still waiting, so it could just be a waiting game. I noticed that many with decisions had earlier starting dates. I wonder if they are prioritizing by starting date. Had I known, I might have listed an earlier start date. :)
I have not pinged my PO yet even though it is over the 6 month benchmark. I am planning to wait another week, since panels appear to be going on (according to the NSF website) but I am definitely nervous. First year, I didn't hear back until May/June (decline), second year was fast (early fall decline with feedback for targeted revisions), and this is my last go... I am willing to accept whatever decision is made, though I am willing to be patient in hopes of good news.
So still no news, but there is at least one recent award in my program with the same start date, so looks like I'm again in the grey zone.
I'm always on the fence about contacting the PO when you are pending for a long time - last year I did after 8 months, and was told that they were still waiting on one review, and ultimately 2 months later heard that it was declined. That was more than a little weird, especially given I received 4 reviews compared to others who got 3. Shrug. Hoping that this time patience pays dividends.
last year I got 8 reviews. 2E 4V 2F - declined but not notified until late March
This year still no news.
My program is EAR a lot of awards have been posted. So hope is becoming small.
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So still no news, but there is at least one recent award in my program with the same start date, so looks like I'm again in the grey zone.
I'm always on the fence about contacting the PO when you are pending for a long time - last year I did after 8 months, and was told that they were still waiting on one review, and ultimately 2 months later heard that it was declined. That was more than a little weird, especially given I received 4 reviews compared to others who got 3. Shrug. Hoping that this time patience pays dividends.
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@ j.dodo1988
I am also waiting. Which program did you submit to? Mine was through Tectonics. I have no idea if they have even sent rejections out yet. I have seen at least one award already made through that program.
Best of luck!
GG
Quote from: JCu16 on February 08, 2020, 02:28:43 PM
Quote from: professing on February 07, 2020, 01:57:56 PM
Quote from: JCu16 on January 30, 2020, 07:05:46 AM
After last years shenanigans on first attempt (Mid-May decline), put in what I think was a much better second swing. No news yet, and I'm aware of at least some declines that have gone out, so may be on the fence again.
Best of luck! I am still waiting, so it could just be a waiting game. I noticed that many with decisions had earlier starting dates. I wonder if they are prioritizing by starting date. Had I known, I might have listed an earlier start date. :)
I have not pinged my PO yet even though it is over the 6 month benchmark. I am planning to wait another week, since panels appear to be going on (according to the NSF website) but I am definitely nervous. First year, I didn't hear back until May/June (decline), second year was fast (early fall decline with feedback for targeted revisions), and this is my last go... I am willing to accept whatever decision is made, though I am willing to be patient in hopes of good news.
So still no news, but there is at least one recent award in my program with the same start date, so looks like I'm again in the grey zone.
I'm always on the fence about contacting the PO when you are pending for a long time - last year I did after 8 months, and was told that they were still waiting on one review, and ultimately 2 months later heard that it was declined. That was more than a little weird, especially given I received 4 reviews compared to others who got 3. Shrug. Hoping that this time patience pays dividends.
I'm in the same boat with the same rationale. Best of luck to us both!
TTT
Any updates?
No news still, but starting to feel pretty negative now with a second award in my program. Given my program generally awards only 1-2 and these are two expensive projects, its going to take some luck at this point.
If it is any comfort, I heard a program in CBET has funded more CAREERs than any other years for fewer people submitted regular ones.
In the same boat, waiting and waiting... The difference is there seems to be no news at all from my program. I did contact the PM; radio silent...
An update on SBE side if it helps: I am in SCISIP (just changed from SOS: DCI). I, too, have not yet heard but the difference is I know now of a few people that have been rejected for regular grants or EAGERs, but not CAREER (which I applied to). I did contact my PM to give me an extension on another grant as I was hoping to use some of my CAREER for travel money for her research that is part of my agenda, and she kindly gave us an extra month extension to apply for such a grant for her work (this one on small doctoral dissertation research grant - DDRIG - any bit helps!). I provide this merely as an update in case people on our thread are also waiting on the SBE front.
Just received notice that my CAREER was recommended for funding! (Not a division I've seen anyone else mention, but happy to share privately until its official). To those out there, keep holding fast and the good news might come your way too.
Congratulations. Really happy for you and the anxious waiting paid off!
Quote from: JCu16 on March 09, 2020, 09:11:16 AM
Just received notice that my CAREER was recommended for funding! (Not a division I've seen anyone else mention, but happy to share privately until its official). To those out there, keep holding fast and the good news might come your way too.
Woohoo! Congrats!
Quote from: JCu16 on March 09, 2020, 09:11:16 AM
Just received notice that my CAREER was recommended for funding! (Not a division I've seen anyone else mention, but happy to share privately until its official). To those out there, keep holding fast and the good news might come your way too.
Congrats!! This is great news.
Quote from: JCu16 on March 09, 2020, 09:11:16 AM
Just received notice that my CAREER was recommended for funding! (Not a division I've seen anyone else mention, but happy to share privately until its official). To those out there, keep holding fast and the good news might come your way too.
Wonderful news! Congratulations!
So, alas, my CAREER journey comes to end in disappointment. This was my third try and it was a decline.
I have my concerns about the process but I will not engage significantly in those here. As I have said to others, we should take the time to process the rejection, try to make sense of it, and try again, which I will do, somewhere else.
However, I will give the short version, in case it is helpful for anyone applying or reapplying. I also hope that - at least the directorates I have been involved in - come up with a more transparent process.
The problem with the CAREER is it tries to do too many things. On the one hand, it is supposed to support new investigators to "build a firm foundation for a lifetime of leadership in integrating education and research." On the other hand, it is highly notable and selective. In the end, it comes across as a bit of a toss up for people who do not have certain kinds of networks and resources, such as colleagues in your field who have won these and will share their submissions**, or institutions that provide an abundance of resources (which many but not all do). **Note, I have reviewed successful submissions, but, sadly, they were in different fields, and, apparently, evaluated differently by those directorates (CISE and ENG).
So, I did all of the things they advise one should do to be more competitive each round: connect with a PO, attend webinars and workshops, use as many resources as possible available online, sit on grant panels if invited, revise in response to reviewer comments. I did all of these things multiple times over many years and, in my situation, over different POs due to some leaving (perhaps this was the problem?).
This time around, the reviews were overall positive except one fair review, and that review did not really point out anything glaringly negative (in fact, the match between the ratings and reviews for all appeared very disconnected). When sharing the reviews with colleagues, one of whom has reviewed many CAREER proposals, they suggested that it did not appear they may have understood the subtle differences between reviewing a standard grant vs CAREER grant, which is supposed to focus more on *promise* than nit-picky details (e.g., I wish this section were x length instead of y, this method would be preferable versus that method even though your justification was convincing, etc.).
I don't say this to feel sorry for myself or because I think I somehow should have been awarded the grant. Perhaps, for those applying/reapplying, make certain you take the time you need between submissions. I probably should have waited to apply this year (there's a new solicitation with a later date).
Anyway, I will take the time to process this, and get back out there. Best of luck to all and glad to hear the good news for many!
Quote from: JCu16 on March 09, 2020, 09:11:16 AM
Just received notice that my CAREER was recommended for funding! (Not a division I've seen anyone else mention, but happy to share privately until its official). To those out there, keep holding fast and the good news might come your way too.
Excellent!!
For anyone who wasn't awarded, I do feel bad for you.
The CAREER process, as is the same with many programs not only at the NSF, but other agencies, is far from perfect.
It is unfair that some institutions have an unwritten "rule" that the CAREER is a prerequisite for tenure and promotion, when it should not be the case. More successful careers have come from people without a CAREER than those who had one.
Do not let not receiving the CAREER become a factor in the otherwise excellent pursuit of science and knowledge for which you are embarking.
Repackage your CAREER proposals and submit to standard grant programs in NSF, and outside.
Also keep in mind that when it comes to this grant writing game you will have far more declines than you will have acceptances. Don't take the declines personally as some sort of affront to your work. If you're conducting meaningful science...someone will fund it...maybe even the same program that turned you down previously. Do not give up on your great work.
QuoteAlso keep in mind that when it comes to this grant writing game you will have far more declines than you will have acceptances. Don't take the declines personally as some sort of affront to your work. If you're conducting meaningful science...someone will fund it...maybe even the same program that turned you down previously. Do not give up on your great work.
Good words for all of us.
M.
I concur and acknowledge there will be many more declines than acceptances. I don't mind that, and enjoy improving my work with the hindsight that comes with each decline and reviewer feedback. Even if I don't always agree with the feedback, it pushes our work to be stronger. That is something that reinforces high quality scholarship.
I've gotten many grant declines (I've also applied for many standard grants over the years while applying for the CAREER). What makes this worse is the limit on how many times you can apply. I feel like I finally *got it* this round. Again, the reviews this time, like last time, were overall (except 1) very, very positive about the promise, scope and details. The frustration here is in the lack of ability to improve and try again.
Anyway, thank you for the words of encouragement. I am still hopeful about the work and its importance. I'm not sure how the project would pan out in a standard grant that, these days, requires so many additional things (the beauty of the CAREER was in the ability to have a bit more openness in pursuing promising research). Also, we junior faculty often have to compete for resources this day and age, so being able to fund graduate students would have gone a long way... Sigh.
Status changed to recommended, so moving right along in the process (I've actually never been the main PI, so all these steps are new to me). Reviews were E/VG/VG/VG.
Quote from: fizzycist on January 10, 2020, 05:21:39 PM
Received call from PO today that I was recommended for funding! CHE-CMI. Second submission. First time got 3 Good, 1 excellent/VG, one fair/good.
Timeline for this submission:
-received email mid-October with request for updated C&P. Sent it in same day.
-nothing. anxiously checking fastlane once a day beginning in December. (Total waste of time but oddly comforting)
-emailed PO Dec 17 asking for update. Nearly instant reply with standard wait 6 months response.
-phone call today Jan 10 saying it will be funded and send public abstract and re-updated C&P.
Update: received award recently. Reviews this time were 3E, 1 V/G. Panel summary was mostly negative and seemed to be dominated by the V/G reviewer. But luckily still funded!
Some notes that will hopefully be useful to others:
-My proposal was virtually unchanged from my first submission (1E/V, 3G, 1 G/F). Main difference was two years had passed and I published more on the topic since then.
-even with the much stronger reviews this time (3E, 1 V/G), the proposal was deemed borderline and it seems the less enthusiastic reviewer had dominated the panel discussion.
-factors outside those usually emphasized likely played a role (Epscor state, involvement of small business in BI, etc).
Best of luck to all on the next round!
My update: the program manager just reached out personally to decline me (2 V/1 F) - she said the F got me dinged despite her fighting to try to get it funded. She said the size of the award was a factor - I wish I would have known as I would revised the budget to meet their needs; good lesson to learn. Good luck to all those seeking such an award, and I wish you all a better outcome.
Beyond that and more generally, I hope everyone is staying safe given COVID-19 concerns. The one blessing from this reminder is the perspective as to what is truly important in life beyond these surmountable travails. Wishing all of you the best!
Got a bit more clarification that it is size due to the Division I am in which is hard to fund big awards. Essentially, the message was if I can get up the F to a G I have a fighting chance, so we will see on my last go of it next year.
Wishing you all better luck and safety in the midst of our current predicaments.
Quote from: da457 on March 17, 2020, 10:28:37 AM
She said the size of the award was a factor - I wish I would have known as I would revised the budget to meet their needs; good lesson to learn. Good luck to all those seeking such an award, and I wish you all a better outcome.
this is the kind of unfairness i was alluding to... there is this sense of "insider knowledge" that many of us don't get along the way, and, supposedly, a PO/PM is supposed to help you "understand" if you get the chance to form a relationship with them. i also didn't know about award size and one webinar said not to consider this (just apply for what you need) while others later also informed me award size mattered.
best of luck and glad you have another opportunity. also, wishing you wellness.
@JCu16 & @fizzycist Congrats!
Quote from: professing on March 20, 2020, 11:18:02 PM
Quote from: da457 on March 17, 2020, 10:28:37 AM
She said the size of the award was a factor - I wish I would have known as I would revised the budget to meet their needs; good lesson to learn. Good luck to all those seeking such an award, and I wish you all a better outcome.
this is the kind of unfairness i was alluding to... there is this sense of "insider knowledge" that many of us don't get along the way, and, supposedly, a PO/PM is supposed to help you "understand" if you get the chance to form a relationship with them. i also didn't know about award size and one webinar said not to consider this (just apply for what you need) while others later also informed me award size mattered.
Can you get a mentor or three who will help with both the necessary relationship building and providing feedback on your materials before you submit them?
I'm thinking of folks who regularly serve on the panels and know what typically works. Perhaps a colleague down the hall could help or a grad school/postdoc mentor who already has invested in you and wants to succeed.
Webinars are good for the basics on how the formal process should work. An individual who knows how the process does work and can get you integrated into the community to know the unwritten norms is a key factor to success for most people.
Quote from: professing on March 20, 2020, 11:20:44 PM
@JCu16 & @fizzycist Congrats!
Thanks!
@da457, sorry to hear that this attempt didn't work out and hope that the comments are useful enough to allow for improvements for your next attempt. I know that insider knowledge problem - not coming from the US originally (Ph.D. overseas) it has been tough to really get a feel for how the system works, and has been a struggle to get that traction, even in how different the grant writing style is here (or even the job application process - had no success until I saw what they were looking for).
Quote from: professing on March 20, 2020, 11:20:44 PM
@JCu16 & @fizzycist Congrats!
Thanks professing!
I understand your frustration. Like I said earlier in the thread, the sort of stories I hear about helpful POs giving inside info have never materialized for me. And most advice I receive from senior people ends up being off target for my own exact situation.
This, I have mostly been learning through trial and error. It is not very efficient, but I find it I just apply for a huge number of things I slowly learn what works for me. YMMV!
BTW, you probably know already, but for dollar amount for career (or any nsf proposal), you can look up previous awards in your area on fastlane.
Thanks @JCu16, @professing, @fizzycist, and @polly_mer for your support, ideas, and insights. Unfortunately in my division, they have not funded a CAREER in five years, and I discovered some structural reasons for that but that's a longer, possibly idiosyncratic story to my division. Thus, most of the funding data I have is unfortunately limited and outdated, but I will definitely be modifying that in light of this new information.
I had a very nice, very helpful conversation with the PD last week to debrief on the CAREER - I was very touched as she took over an hour with me to help me figure things out more clearly. The reason it took so long to reject is that she was really trying to fund it as it was competitive but could not find co-funders which made it difficult. She was really helpful in where I could improve the grant and I have already contacted a mentor to give me some thoughts, hopefully it works out! She also encouraged me to apply for the COVID RAPID as she thought my things fit perfectly into that call, and so something really good came out both for the short-term and the long-term, and she did try everything she could do to make it work. It all boiled down to one reviewer who was probably reading this in an understandably exhausted state, and my grant was not exactly a page turner and understandably dense, so what mainly came out of this was to spend this effort really polishing its presentation and making it clearer to understand and addressing some small quibbles.
In terms of insider knowledge and the like, I am uber uber pragmatic, so my view is that this is an unfortunate an inevitable reality and I just gotta do my best to figure out how to navigate it. That may very well mean I may miss out again, but I have tried to put it into context in that a) I am in a field where funding is limited and I do not need so much to advance my research and b) I am in a place where they want me to bring ample funding. Thus, I have found it more in my control to a) keep fighting for and finding ways to bootstrap smaller things together and b) educate my department (based on hard data) that what they are asking me to bring is not possible in my field (it is about 2-3 std deviations away from the mean funding for a grant in my field). That seems to have worked, but I am at peace if it does not because I can only do what I can, and frankly, I will not sacrifice time with my children and family to churn out that one extra grant. I know that means keep my grants lower, but I have decided that if I have marginal time, it goes to them and I am more adamant about that in light of current events. I have just made that decision for myself.
In short, I will do what I can to improve my chances (talk to mentors, get advice from PD, fastlane sleuth even more, etc), with the recognition that it may not work out for a variety of reasons that may or may not be outside of my control. If it does not, I am ok with it because I know I will spent my time where it mattered for me: towards things I could control more (research output, bootstrapping based on small opportunities that people encourage me to apply for, getting information where I could, etc) and towards those things that matter to me most (my family). Overall, of course disappointed, but at peace because I am doing everything I can and if that means the chips don't fall my way, then so be it - cannot create chips I simply don't have :).
Onward and upward and thanks all for your ideas - I have learned a TON seeing responses to my posts as well as those from others. Hope everyone is healthy and safe!
I have been quietly reading posts here and it has been quite helpful and comforting during the waiting process. I was contacted by the PO end of February and sent in my abstract & revised budget. Yesterday, I saw my status changed to Recommended. However, today, the status was back to pending. Has anyone experienced this before? The waiting process is really excruciating.
Hi Molebreeze
It tends to go through a series of status changes as it moves from recommended to awarded. Don't worry too much, if you've seen that recommended it is extremely unlikely to bounce out at that point. Have they released your reviews (that tells you that its past the PO step and the Division director approval and on to DGA)? I'm sure it is all just normal procedure.
In news from my end - awarded as of today, so it is official. Amazed that the whole process moved so fast (notice of recommendation on the 6th), but very excited to move forward to move toward recruiting the graduate students for the project. Really appreciate the kind words and encouragement from those here, which has been a real stress reliever. I'll certainly be hanging around the forum moving forward.
Glad to hear of the progress you're making, and glad to have you here.
Will the pandemic issues affect your work in the short or long term, or can you do your setup without being in place as you begin?
M.
Thanks M,
Fortunately my work is pretty much all possible remote, besides meeting with students, and we can work around this in the meantime. Naturally given the disruptions and the situation definitely are a drain on productivity. My field is primarily computational/analytic (though scale of the data I work with is on the order of hundreds terabytes - this grant will support work with nearly a petabyte of data from a model), so as long as the servers stay up and I can get access through the firewall, everything will continue to proceed. I also put the start date into the summer, as I didn't want to have to write grant reports during the tail end of semester.
I'm on a 2/2 loading at an R2 (reduced from a standard 3/3 thanks to course buyouts from other funding), so teaching classes online has been fairly time consuming since we shifted, so that's probably the main drain for me and slow me down. I really pity those who are in the lab fields (including my wife who is doing a bio Ph.D.), as this virus is going to be so disruptive, and take so long to spin back up.
Hi JCu16,
Thanks for sharing your experience. And congratulations on the official award. It's great to have you hanging around here to help. My reviews have not been released yet. Finger crossed until the award becomes official.
Quote from: JCu16 on March 24, 2020, 06:52:26 PM
Hi Molebreeze
It tends to go through a series of status changes as it moves from recommended to awarded. Don't worry too much, if you've seen that recommended it is extremely unlikely to bounce out at that point. Have they released your reviews (that tells you that its past the PO step and the Division director approval and on to DGA)? I'm sure it is all just normal procedure.
In news from my end - awarded as of today, so it is official. Amazed that the whole process moved so fast (notice of recommendation on the 6th), but very excited to move forward to move toward recruiting the graduate students for the project. Really appreciate the kind words and encouragement from those here, which has been a real stress reliever. I'll certainly be hanging around the forum moving forward.
Congrats on those who have received the award! And hope the life under the pandemic cloud is good!
I have not received any status change or heard back from the PD. But the start date of my proposal is almost passed. Does this mean an automatic rejection?
Quote from: molebleeze on March 24, 2020, 08:59:14 PM
Hi JCu16,
Thanks for sharing your experience. And congratulations on the official award. It's great to have you hanging around here to help. My reviews have not been released yet. Finger crossed until the award becomes official.
My status is still pending. I am not sure if it is a good idea to contact the Program Officer now.
Quote from: J.dodo1988 on March 25, 2020, 09:06:33 AM
Congrats on those who have received the award! And hope the life under the pandemic cloud is good!
I have not received any status change or heard back from the PD. But the start date of my proposal is almost passed. Does this mean an automatic rejection?
Quote from: molebleeze on March 24, 2020, 08:59:14 PM
Hi JCu16,
Thanks for sharing your experience. And congratulations on the official award. It's great to have you hanging around here to help. My reviews have not been released yet. Finger crossed until the award becomes official.
Not necessarily, depends a little on program officer load. The fact they are still holding onto it means there is a chance, and they might be trying to find the funds for it. The start date thing is confusing, as it seems to be more flexible than I thought at least.
Mine is within EAR and is still pending. My status date changed a few days ago so I contacted the program manager to figure out what was going on. Unfortunately, his reply was that my proposal was going to be rejected. It was my first try so I am proud that it made it this far. Best of luck to everyone else still waiting for news and good luck to all of us trying again in July.
Quote from: da457 on March 22, 2020, 04:00:16 PM
Onward and upward and thanks all for your ideas - I have learned a TON seeing responses to my posts as well as those from others. Hope everyone is healthy and safe!
Agreed that all we can do is keep on keeping on, and stay healthy and safe.
Another thing I have learned at this point in retrospect is to try to keep your same PO. It sounds like this PO gave you some real advice and wanted to go to bat for you. They will be a great person to maintain a relationship with. These are the kinds of POs who give you the kind of advice that will help you read the tea leaves. Unfortunately, I only ever was able to reach one PO who gave me little advice. I have not been able to reach my current PO (which was also the case the first time I applied) and I have been afraid to nudge them with everything going on.
Pragmatically knowing that good stuff doesn't always get funded helps too. Anyway, best of luck on the next round, and keep on persevering regardless of the outcome.
Quote from: anxiety_rising on March 31, 2020, 07:29:46 AM
Mine is within EAR and is still pending. My status date changed a few days ago so I contacted the program manager to figure out what was going on. Unfortunately, his reply was that my proposal was going to be rejected. It was my first try so I am proud that it made it this far. Best of luck to everyone else still waiting for news and good luck to all of us trying again in July.
I am sorry to hear that. As someone who just got rejected on the last try, I can empathize. Just keep on keeping on, and try to make connection with the PO when the dust clears to get a sense of what worked/didn't work. Also, if this is a helpful PO, try to keep them. One common theme I've found amongst the successful (in most cases) is that they continued to work with one PO who really "got" their work and which programs they might have better traction with.
Quote from: molebleeze on March 24, 2020, 10:28:20 AM
I have been quietly reading posts here and it has been quite helpful and comforting during the waiting process. I was contacted by the PO end of February and sent in my abstract & revised budget. Yesterday, I saw my status changed to Recommended. However, today, the status was back to pending. Has anyone experienced this before? The waiting process is really excruciating.
Usually, this means it will be funded. I have rarely heard of them pulling funding after recommending it. However, it is possible that COVID-19 could cause something unprecedented... I would be hopeful if I were you. Congratulations and best of luck!
Quote from: javen on March 30, 2020, 01:08:20 PM
My status is still pending. I am not sure if it is a good idea to contact the Program Officer now.
I would say it never hurts to email them. Over 6 months is reasonable. However, you may want to massage your email, and also recognize they may not be responsive with everything going on and the new rapid grants.
Quote from: professing on April 08, 2020, 04:14:34 PM
Quote from: anxiety_rising on March 31, 2020, 07:29:46 AM
Mine is within EAR and is still pending. My status date changed a few days ago so I contacted the program manager to figure out what was going on. Unfortunately, his reply was that my proposal was going to be rejected. It was my first try so I am proud that it made it this far. Best of luck to everyone else still waiting for news and good luck to all of us trying again in July.
I am sorry to hear that. As someone who just got rejected on the last try, I can empathize. Just keep on keeping on, and try to make connection with the PO when the dust clears to get a sense of what worked/didn't work. Also, if this is a helpful PO, try to keep them. One common theme I've found amongst the successful (in most cases) is that they continued to work with one PO who really "got" their work and which programs they might have better traction with.
My chair said similar when mine was still pending, but my first round PO (decline) was a rotator who finished last year. He'd actually been the PO for the vast majority of my prior proposal attempts for other types of grants, and had declined every one of them. Granted several reviewed line ball, but may have been a factor given his interests were different to mine. New rotator took over this year, and funded me, so I think it can work both ways. Key thing is to ensure you have got a helpful PO, or at least someone who is interested in your work (to the extent a PO can be).
Mine was finally official last week. I have greatly appreciated all the support, encouraging words, and information received here. I will continue to hand out here and try to help.
Good luck to everyone who are still waiting or plan to resubmit.
Congratulations Molebreeze!
I have written twice to my PO, did not get any response. I guess everyone in NSF is busy with RAPID proposals.
Is there anyone who is still waiting to know the outcome?
I have no information about the current cycle, but the year I received mine (very long ago...) I did not hear anything until late June. In other words, if you have not yet been formally rejected, there is always hope.
Quote from: arcturus on April 15, 2020, 04:47:12 PM
I have no information about the current cycle, but the year I received mine (very long ago...) I did not hear anything until late June. In other words, if you have not yet been formally rejected, there is always hope.
Thank you for the information.
Quote from: professing on April 08, 2020, 04:11:10 PM
Quote from: da457 on March 22, 2020, 04:00:16 PM
Onward and upward and thanks all for your ideas - I have learned a TON seeing responses to my posts as well as those from others. Hope everyone is healthy and safe!
Agreed that all we can do is keep on keeping on, and stay healthy and safe.
Another thing I have learned at this point in retrospect is to try to keep your same PO. It sounds like this PO gave you some real advice and wanted to go to bat for you. They will be a great person to maintain a relationship with. These are the kinds of POs who give you the kind of advice that will help you read the tea leaves. Unfortunately, I only ever was able to reach one PO who gave me little advice. I have not been able to reach my current PO (which was also the case the first time I applied) and I have been afraid to nudge them with everything going on.
Pragmatically knowing that good stuff doesn't always get funded helps too. Anyway, best of luck on the next round, and keep on persevering regardless of the outcome.
Absolutely agreed - unfortunately, she is leaving this summer (only 2 yr terms) :(((((... but she gave me advice on how to proceed after her but unfortunately, may not be the same and that is just how it is, but will try and working much earlier (e.g., now) to get it shaped up and cleaner so that I get more edits in this time... can only control my own efforts and then roll the dice and see where they land on the board. I did put in a NSF RAPID on this so we will see what happens there. Thanks for your support and help - truly meaningful and helpful!
All; This year is my first year for submitting a CAREER proposal, my question is what would be your best advise on writing a winning CAREER proposal? Currently I have an active NSF award. Thank you
A few thoughts from my successful attempt this year:
1) Have a bold, yet feasible, research plan.
2) Avoid extraneous details, and come straight to the point on what you want to accomplish in your research plan.
3) Show why you are the best person for the job, based on your past research record, results and other (NSF) projects.
4) Have an interesting and integrated teaching plan (just don't say you will design a bunch of new courses).
Besides that I would also not overlook the literature review and evaluation parts (specifically, if your project has algorithm design or system building components).
Last things I would say is don't propose a new research topic in your CAREER on which you don't have much experience. That's too risky. You want to build your CAREER project based on your strengths in terms of research!
Good luck!
Quote from: Vid on May 07, 2020, 10:32:56 PM
All; This year is my first year for submitting a CAREER proposal, my question is what would be your best advise on writing a winning CAREER proposal? Currently I have an active NSF award. Thank you
Thank you, very useful comments.
I am a TT at a land grant R1 university and I have around 25% extension responsibility (75% research) so no teaching for now. But my department chair said we are establishing two PhD programs and they will need me for teaching. That being said, I am a little concern about the educational plan since I wouldn't have traditional teaching approaches but will educate extension agents throughout the sate. Would you think this would be an issue?
Than you all for your advise.
--V
Hmm..That's tricky. CAREER proposals typically require a well-integrated research and education plan. Without a strong education plan, your CAREER is bound to be declined. Given your very limited classroom teaching responsibilities, I would definitely focus more on community education (if possible). I would set up a phone call meeting with a program director and talk to him/her and get their take on it. It is well known in CAREER circles: An excellent research plan + poor education plan will almost always be declined. Similarly, and excellent teaching plan by itself will also not get you funded (atleast in the CAREER program)
Quote from: Vid on May 09, 2020, 08:58:11 PM
Thank you, very useful comments.
I am a TT at a land grant R1 university and I have around 25% extension responsibility (75% research) so no teaching for now. But my department chair said we are establishing two PhD programs and they will need me for teaching. That being said, I am a little concern about the educational plan since I wouldn't have traditional teaching approaches but will educate extension agents throughout the sate. Would you think this would be an issue?
Than you all for your advise.
--V
Quote from: Vid on May 09, 2020, 08:58:11 PM
Thank you, very useful comments.
I am a TT at a land grant R1 university and I have around 25% extension responsibility (75% research) so no teaching for now. But my department chair said we are establishing two PhD programs and they will need me for teaching. That being said, I am a little concern about the educational plan since I wouldn't have traditional teaching approaches but will educate extension agents throughout the sate. Would you think this would be an issue?
Than you all for your advise.
--V
Agree with most of Murtuzaj's advice here, there is some program-to-program variation, so will also recommend speaking to your program manager to make sure you fit. I really would emphasize: 'don't propose a new research topic in your CAREER on which you don't have much experience' - I went with something that extended my Ph.D. research direction that is pretty much my center pillar - but definitely make sure you don't have to prove the new project is feasible too much.
In terms of if your position doesn't involve much direct teaching - are there groups in your field that involve themselves/specialize in community education? Even though I'm at an R2 with strong undergraduate connections, I proposed to work with an external group (they can have a senior personnel) to develop new materials for online modules, and K-12 teaching research around my topic. Think outside the normal box of educating at an institution and how your research might be more widely of interest. Hope this helps.
I did not get awarded a CAREER this year but my education scores were all E (it was my research program which was not as strong). I am also at an R1.
My broader impacts plan for the CAREER focused very little on my classroom teaching. I did discuss integrating undergrads into the lab and focusing on targeting specific sub-groups of undergrad students. I proposed having a high school teacher work in my lab over the summers and then ideas that the classroom teacher could take back to their high schools/how we would remain engaged.
I don't think whether or not you teach at your institution is a deal breaker. I think there are quite a broad set of activities that could form a strong education plan and what you do teaching students in your university in a formal classroom is just one of them. I've seen other successful examples that had a focus on interacting with elderly people at a library or building an online database for a research area. I would second the suggestion to discuss with the program officer but I think there are a wide range of activities you could propose.
Quote from: Vid on May 09, 2020, 08:58:11 PM
Thank you, very useful comments.
I am a TT at a land grant R1 university and I have around 25% extension responsibility (75% research) so no teaching for now. But my department chair said we are establishing two PhD programs and they will need me for teaching. That being said, I am a little concern about the educational plan since I wouldn't have traditional teaching approaches but will educate extension agents throughout the sate. Would you think this would be an issue?
Than you all for your advise.
--V
I just received the reviews for my 1st CAREER proposal submission. Unfortunately, I didn't get funded. I had 4 reviewers and the ratings they gave me were E, VG, VG/G, and G. Generally, the evaluations on the contents of my research and educational components were quite good; one of the reviewers even said that he strongly recommends that the proposal should be funded. But still, no dice.
I talked with the Program Director, and he said that one of the things they had to consider if I'll be funded or not is the issue on whether I can deliver on the proposed goals since I am in a primarily undergraduate institution. Our department has a graduate program, but only up to a Master's. He said that for my next NSF submission, I should try to explain that it will be possible.
1st strike, 2 more....
Sorry to hear about it raise_102! It appears that your proposal reviewed very well - so not much to change for the next attempt, except address the feasibility of the research plan!
Good luck with the next attempt!
Cheers.
Quote from: raise_102 on May 11, 2020, 06:40:08 PM
I just received the reviews for my 1st CAREER proposal submission. Unfortunately, I didn't get funded. I had 4 reviewers and the ratings they gave me were E, VG, VG/G, and G. Generally, the evaluations on the contents of my research and educational components were quite good; one of the reviewers even said that he strongly recommends that the proposal should be funded. But still, no dice.
I talked with the Program Director, and he said that one of the things they had to consider if I'll be funded or not is the issue on whether I can deliver on the proposed goals since I am in a primarily undergraduate institution. Our department has a graduate program, but only up to a Master's. He said that for my next NSF submission, I should try to explain that it will be possible.
1st strike, 2 more....
Anyone heard anything about this year's DOE early career?
My status date changed on June 03 after my last email to PO. The status is still pending. The PO did not reply my email. I am expecting a decline decision soon. Does anyone have a similar experience at this stage? Any advice on how to proceed?
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on June 09, 2020, 10:18:00 AM
My status date changed on June 03 after my last email to PO. The status is still pending. The PO did not reply my email. I am expecting a decline decision soon. Does anyone have a similar experience at this stage? Any advice on how to proceed?
An update: got the decline decision right after posting this. Ratings are F/G/F/E. Not sure why it took so long. Clearly far away from the boundary.
Sorry to hear that! Talk to the PD soon to understand the reasons behind decline - it may not be that far away from the boundary (especially since the decision was so late). Different programs (different divisions) have different criteria for what is considered borderline. If indeed it is borderline, you may be able to re-package something rather quickly for the upcoming deadline. Good luck!
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on June 09, 2020, 01:32:39 PM
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on June 09, 2020, 10:18:00 AM
My status date changed on June 03 after my last email to PO. The status is still pending. The PO did not reply my email. I am expecting a decline decision soon. Does anyone have a similar experience at this stage? Any advice on how to proceed?
An update: got the decline decision right after posting this. Ratings are F/G/F/E. Not sure why it took so long. Clearly far away from the boundary.
Quote from: murtuzaj on June 09, 2020, 06:16:54 PM
Sorry to hear that! Talk to the PD soon to understand the reasons behind decline - it may not be that far away from the boundary (especially since the decision was so late). Different programs (different divisions) have different criteria for what is considered borderline. If indeed it is borderline, you may be able to re-package something rather quickly for the upcoming deadline. Good luck!
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on June 09, 2020, 01:32:39 PM
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on June 09, 2020, 10:18:00 AM
My status date changed on June 03 after my last email to PO. The status is still pending. The PO did not reply my email. I am expecting a decline decision soon. Does anyone have a similar experience at this stage? Any advice on how to proceed?
An update: got the decline decision right after posting this. Ratings are F/G/F/E. Not sure why it took so long. Clearly far away from the boundary.
Thank you for the suggestion. Looking forward to the next round.
2020 applicants - are you planning to use the August 11 or the original, July 27 deadline? Something in between maybe? This is my second try after last year's VG/VG/G. Also, are you including a pandemic plan?
I will apply this year as well. 2nd try. I was planning to use the new date. I don't think it offers any advantage to submit early and I would like as much time as possible to get some data from my newly re-opened lab.
What is a pandemic plan?
Good luck!
Quote from: doc700 on July 15, 2020, 05:06:22 AM
What is a pandemic plan?
If, in case of limitations due to the pandemic, it is not possible to do X as planned, I will spend the X budget on Y that will have similar outcomes. E.g. travel or in-person collaborations, etc...
I saw up thread your Ed. plan reviewed Excellent. May I ask if you included references to education literature?
Good luck to you as well!
Oh, I see. I guess that is a good plan to have. Since its a 5-year grant starting next spring I was hopeful that we would be at the tail end of things by then (ie could delay travel to following year of 5 year grant) but I guess that is too optimistic.
I did mention a few references when motivating my proposal and why I thought my proposed activities where impactful. My activities were mostly at my own institution which I think was a bit subpar but overall it reviewed very well so I guess it wasn't an issue. I focused on critical junctions in which students drop out of physics (my field) and how to support them. This was an effort to broaden participation in my field. There were elements of both grad recruiting and undergrad teaching/research engagement. Probably a proposal that was aimed more at the broader community outside of my university would have been better. I think if you have citations to include that would be amazing!
Quote from: Unseen Academical on July 15, 2020, 10:42:44 AM
Quote from: doc700 on July 15, 2020, 05:06:22 AM
What is a pandemic plan?
If, in case of limitations due to the pandemic, it is not possible to do X as planned, I will spend the X budget on Y that will have similar outcomes. E.g. travel or in-person collaborations, etc...
I saw up thread your Ed. plan reviewed Excellent. May I ask if you included references to education literature?
Good luck to you as well!
I could quite possibly have been the last person to find out my CAREER proposal wasn't funded.
I received my notification on 6/19/2020.
E/VG/VG/F
Thank goodness for the deadline extension. I should be ready for resubmission but the end of next week.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on July 28, 2020, 01:57:32 PM
I could quite possibly have been the last person to find out my CAREER proposal wasn't funded.
I received my notification on 6/19/2020.
E/VG/VG/F
Thank goodness for the deadline extension. I should be ready for resubmission but the end of next week.
That sucks... Your scores were great... Only if this F was a G.
Quote from: research_prof on July 28, 2020, 02:09:17 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on July 28, 2020, 01:57:32 PM
I could quite possibly have been the last person to find out my CAREER proposal wasn't funded.
I received my notification on 6/19/2020.
E/VG/VG/F
Thank goodness for the deadline extension. I should be ready for resubmission but the end of next week.
That sucks... Your scores were great... Only if this F was a G.
I was close so that's good enough for the 1st attempt. The good thing is there wasn't any time to sulk before resubmission.
Did everyone get their packages submitted today? Fingers crossed for some positive outcomes!
Good luck! Thankfully, I submitted mine at the end of July. I wouldn't have been able to submit today due to power outages caused by the derecho.
Hope you're OK!
M.
My research office makes my blood boil sometimes.
The proposal was submitted, but not without some tense moments.
I do my best to send my budget over to the research office about a month in advance to get initial feedback — after all, the university is only concerned about their cut.
I then submit the proposal in FastLane about two weeks before the due date. I had to follow up with them no fewer than eight times over the last two weeks to get someone to submit the thing in FastLane. They finally did it around 3 PM with 2 hours to spare.
I hate submitting on the due date — any number of foreseen and unforeseen things could happen.
Its really really frustrating when these things happen. I've had 2 collaborative proposals that ultimately weren't reviewed due to submission issues. One there was someone who was supposed to sign off and didn't...so no proposal submission. The other the administrative person doing the upload didn't include one of the documents (that we had passed to her) so the proposal was rejected without review.
In both of our cases, we were rather last minute so we need to take some ownership for the issues. I can imagine the stress, particularly after you were so organized in getting the documents early to your sponsored research office. There is so much at stake for you but also they will take a cut so you think it would behoove them to be more supportive!
Quote from: mamselle on August 11, 2020, 08:14:04 PM
Hope you're OK!
M.
Yes, thank you! We are still running on a generator and will be for some time according to the electric company, but the tree missed the house by inches, so we were lucky.
Quick question: I had submitted my proposal under Div of Research on Learning. In fastlane, my proposal was moved to Div of Grad Education. My proposal does not at all meet the division goals. Is this normal? Worth a pesky email (already) to the Prog Contact?
Quote from: bluefooted on August 21, 2020, 12:02:13 PM
Quick question: I had submitted my proposal under Div of Research on Learning. In fastlane, my proposal was moved to Div of Grad Education. My proposal does not at all meet the division goals. Is this normal? Worth a pesky email (already) to the Prog Contact?
You can send a polite email to the PD and ask, but I guess the answer will be "we believe that your proposal fits better under this division and you do not get to control this assignment but we decide". Not sure whether you would like to argue about the PD's judgment...
Quote from: research_prof on August 21, 2020, 12:21:39 PM
Quote from: bluefooted on August 21, 2020, 12:02:13 PM
Quick question: I had submitted my proposal under Div of Research on Learning. In fastlane, my proposal was moved to Div of Grad Education. My proposal does not at all meet the division goals. Is this normal? Worth a pesky email (already) to the Prog Contact?
You can send a polite email to the PD and ask, but I guess the answer will be "we believe that your proposal fits better under this division and you do not get to control this assignment but we decide". Not sure whether you would like to argue about the PD's judgment...
To add more context: I had emailed a PD in the past about such an issue and he had asked me why I believe my proposal is a better match for one division over another. I sent him a detailed justification, still the proposal went for review to the division of the PD's choice...
Just fyi - I did contact the PO listed and alerted them to the change. They moved it back to the original division.
Does anyone know when are they reviewing (panel review) the career proposal?
When I sat on a CAREER panel 2 years ago it was Oct 17-18. Given our extension in submission, maybe later this year (in addition to program dependent)?
BTW how did your DOE Early Career situation work out Ocean? Did you finally get reviews?
No, I still didn't get my review nor an official decline as of today. I tried many times to contact my PM but no success. I gave up; the last I reach to my PM was Aug.7th.
when did you submit it? last year?
My panel is meeting Oct 13th - 14th as the preferred dates. Oct 15th - 16th are alternates.
My status is still pending in the submission day.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on September 17, 2020, 11:12:13 AM
My panel is meeting Oct 13th - 14th as the preferred dates. Oct 15th - 16th are alternates.
Quote from: lightofhope on September 23, 2020, 07:43:40 AM
My status is still pending in the submission day.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on September 17, 2020, 11:12:13 AM
My panel is meeting Oct 13th - 14th as the preferred dates. Oct 15th - 16th are alternates.
As it will be until an update occurs.
Unrelated to NSF CAREER, did anyone else apply for AFOSR YIP? Any ideas when that will be announced?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on September 17, 2020, 11:12:13 AM
My panel is meeting Oct 13th - 14th as the preferred dates. Oct 15th - 16th are alternates.
Where did you find the panel dates? Did you look at https://www.nsf.gov/events/advisory.jsp and then see which one will be hosted by your cognizant PD? Thanks!
It means only two months are given to the reviewers for writing the reviews. Really fast.
Quote from: wreck on September 24, 2020, 02:45:33 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on September 17, 2020, 11:12:13 AM
My panel is meeting Oct 13th - 14th as the preferred dates. Oct 15th - 16th are alternates.
Where did you find the panel dates? Did you look at https://www.nsf.gov/events/advisory.jsp and then see which one will be hosted by your cognizant PD? Thanks!
It means only two months are given to the reviewers for writing the reviews. Really fast.
I just asked.
Quote from: doc700 on September 24, 2020, 10:31:53 AM
Unrelated to NSF CAREER, did anyone else apply for AFOSR YIP? Any ideas when that will be announced?
The FY21 YIP announcement will be coming on Friday, 16 Oct. Thanks to all who applied! We received over 200+ submissions. Good Luck!!!
Posted by AFOSR recently.
Thanks!! Probably not good news if I haven't heard yet... But good luck to any others who applied!
Quote from: lee2002hu on October 01, 2020, 10:58:08 AM
Quote from: doc700 on September 24, 2020, 10:31:53 AM
Unrelated to NSF CAREER, did anyone else apply for AFOSR YIP? Any ideas when that will be announced?
The FY21 YIP announcement will be coming on Friday, 16 Oct. Thanks to all who applied! We received over 200+ submissions. Good Luck!!!
Posted by AFOSR recently.
Nope. You never know until you see the posted list for the YIP awardees.
Quote from: doc700 on October 02, 2020, 06:55:00 AM
Thanks!! Probably not good news if I haven't heard yet... But good luck to any others who applied!
Quote from: lee2002hu on October 01, 2020, 10:58:08 AM
Quote from: doc700 on September 24, 2020, 10:31:53 AM
Unrelated to NSF CAREER, did anyone else apply for AFOSR YIP? Any ideas when that will be announced?
The FY21 YIP announcement will be coming on Friday, 16 Oct. Thanks to all who applied! We received over 200+ submissions. Good Luck!!!
Posted by AFOSR recently.
Cool -- I will keep the fingers crossed then!
Quote from: lee2002hu on October 02, 2020, 08:36:33 AM
Nope. You never know until you see the posted list for the YIP awardees.
Quote from: doc700 on October 02, 2020, 06:55:00 AM
Thanks!! Probably not good news if I haven't heard yet... But good luck to any others who applied!
Quote from: lee2002hu on October 01, 2020, 10:58:08 AM
Quote from: doc700 on September 24, 2020, 10:31:53 AM
Unrelated to NSF CAREER, did anyone else apply for AFOSR YIP? Any ideas when that will be announced?
The FY21 YIP announcement will be coming on Friday, 16 Oct. Thanks to all who applied! We received over 200+ submissions. Good Luck!!!
Posted by AFOSR recently.
My status got changed when it was assigned to the PD on Monday.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on September 24, 2020, 10:16:51 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on September 23, 2020, 07:43:40 AM
My status is still pending in the submission day.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on September 17, 2020, 11:12:13 AM
My panel is meeting Oct 13th - 14th as the preferred dates. Oct 15th - 16th are alternates.
As it will be until an update occurs.
Quote from: lightofhope on October 07, 2020, 04:00:11 AM
My status got changed when it was assigned to the PD on Monday.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on September 24, 2020, 10:16:51 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on September 23, 2020, 07:43:40 AM
My status is still pending in the submission day.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on September 17, 2020, 11:12:13 AM
My panel is meeting Oct 13th - 14th as the preferred dates. Oct 15th - 16th are alternates.
As it will be until an update occurs.
My status is still pending with status date of 8/12 (one day after submission). Does this mean that it has not been assigned to PD yet? But others will have their panel soon. So it seems that different programs have quite big differences in timelines?
Quote from: wreck on October 07, 2020, 09:01:06 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on October 07, 2020, 04:00:11 AM
My status got changed when it was assigned to the PD on Monday.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on September 24, 2020, 10:16:51 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on September 23, 2020, 07:43:40 AM
My status is still pending in the submission day.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on September 17, 2020, 11:12:13 AM
My panel is meeting Oct 13th - 14th as the preferred dates. Oct 15th - 16th are alternates.
As it will be until an update occurs.
My status is still pending with status date of 8/12 (one day after submission). Does this mean that it has not been assigned to PD yet? But others will have their panel soon. So it seems that different programs have quite big differences in timelines?
Pending does not mean it hasn't been assigned to a PD.
You can check on research.gov the PD that has the proposal by clicking the submit new proposal, view submitted proposal, and clicking on the title.
You can then check the meeting schedule to estimate when your CAREER panel is meeting.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on October 07, 2020, 07:37:43 PM
Quote from: wreck on October 07, 2020, 09:01:06 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on October 07, 2020, 04:00:11 AM
My status got changed when it was assigned to the PD on Monday.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on September 24, 2020, 10:16:51 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on September 23, 2020, 07:43:40 AM
My status is still pending in the submission day.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on September 17, 2020, 11:12:13 AM
My panel is meeting Oct 13th - 14th as the preferred dates. Oct 15th - 16th are alternates.
As it will be until an update occurs.
My status is still pending with status date of 8/12 (one day after submission). Does this mean that it has not been assigned to PD yet? But others will have their panel soon. So it seems that different programs have quite big differences in timelines?
Pending does not mean it hasn't been assigned to a PD.
You can check on research.gov the PD that has the proposal by clicking the submit new proposal, view submitted proposal, and clicking on the title.
You can then check the meeting schedule to estimate when your CAREER panel is meeting.
Where is the meeting schedule? Is it available somewhere?
Quote from: research_prof on October 07, 2020, 08:16:27 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on October 07, 2020, 07:37:43 PM
Quote from: wreck on October 07, 2020, 09:01:06 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on October 07, 2020, 04:00:11 AM
My status got changed when it was assigned to the PD on Monday.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on September 24, 2020, 10:16:51 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on September 23, 2020, 07:43:40 AM
My status is still pending in the submission day.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on September 17, 2020, 11:12:13 AM
My panel is meeting Oct 13th - 14th as the preferred dates. Oct 15th - 16th are alternates.
As it will be until an update occurs.
My status is still pending with status date of 8/12 (one day after submission). Does this mean that it has not been assigned to PD yet? But others will have their panel soon. So it seems that different programs have quite big differences in timelines?
Pending does not mean it hasn't been assigned to a PD.
You can check on research.gov the PD that has the proposal by clicking the submit new proposal, view submitted proposal, and clicking on the title.
You can then check the meeting schedule to estimate when your CAREER panel is meeting.
Where is the meeting schedule? Is it available somewhere?
https://www.nsf.gov/events/advisory.jsp
If you know your PD you can get a rough estimate of when they're meeting.
And before anyone asks, no the schedule doesn't explicitly say which solicitation they're meeting to discuss.
Sometimes if you follow PDs on social media where they might throw out an NSF reference here and there you can tell what's going on. There was a posting by a PD just the other day reminding reviewers of CAREER proposals that they are reviewing applications for "early career faculty".
By looking up that PD on the events schedule, I can get a rough read on when their CAREER panel would like be occurring since it's unlikely that a PD would mention the CAREER process if they hadn't been getting pinged by panel reviewers about the proposals.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on October 08, 2020, 05:55:05 AM
Quote from: research_prof on October 07, 2020, 08:16:27 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on October 07, 2020, 07:37:43 PM
Quote from: wreck on October 07, 2020, 09:01:06 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on October 07, 2020, 04:00:11 AM
My status got changed when it was assigned to the PD on Monday.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on September 24, 2020, 10:16:51 AM
Quote from: lightofhope on September 23, 2020, 07:43:40 AM
My status is still pending in the submission day.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on September 17, 2020, 11:12:13 AM
My panel is meeting Oct 13th - 14th as the preferred dates. Oct 15th - 16th are alternates.
As it will be until an update occurs.
My status is still pending with status date of 8/12 (one day after submission). Does this mean that it has not been assigned to PD yet? But others will have their panel soon. So it seems that different programs have quite big differences in timelines?
Pending does not mean it hasn't been assigned to a PD.
You can check on research.gov the PD that has the proposal by clicking the submit new proposal, view submitted proposal, and clicking on the title.
You can then check the meeting schedule to estimate when your CAREER panel is meeting.
Where is the meeting schedule? Is it available somewhere?
https://www.nsf.gov/events/advisory.jsp
If you know your PD you can get a rough estimate of when they're meeting.
And before anyone asks, no the schedule doesn't explicitly say which solicitation they're meeting to discuss.
Sometimes if you follow PDs on social media where they might throw out an NSF reference here and there you can tell what's going on. There was a posting by a PD just the other day reminding reviewers of CAREER proposals that they are reviewing applications for "early career faculty".
By looking up that PD on the events schedule, I can get a rough read on when their CAREER panel would like be occurring since it's unlikely that a PD would mention the CAREER process if they hadn't been getting pinged by panel reviewers about the proposals.
Whoa! Cool stuff, I did not know there was something like that available online... Thanks!
Thank you a lot for sharing the information! Unfortunately, https://www.nsf.gov/events/advisory.jsp does not show anything related to the PD who is in charge of my proposal, and the PD does not seem to use any social media... Thus, I have no clue at this point.
Anyone knows what is the latest time a proposal can be withdrawn? Some said before the decision is made, and some said before it is reviewed. It is easy to know if the decision has been made or not. The problem is that how can we know if the proposal has been reviewed (but not decisioned yet) or not?
Quote from: wreck on October 08, 2020, 11:00:24 AM
Thank you a lot for sharing the information! Unfortunately, https://www.nsf.gov/events/advisory.jsp does not show anything related to the PD who is in charge of my proposal, and the PD does not seem to use any social media... Thus, I have no clue at this point.
Anyone knows what is the latest time a proposal can be withdrawn? Some said before the decision is made, and some said before it is reviewed. It is easy to know if the decision has been made or not. The problem is that how can we know if the proposal has been reviewed (but not decisioned yet) or not?
Don't go solely based on the PD. If someone in your division/directorate are holding meetings, that gives you a clue.
In terms of withdrawing a proposal, why would you want to do that? You can contact the NSF to do so. If they can't withdraw it, they'll let you know. You can also reach out directly to the PD if you want to withdraw it.
According to the PD, my Career proposal will be reviewed either in early Dec.
My PD mentioned that the career proposals in his division were already reviewed.
Which division are you in?
Quote from: ocean2428 on October 16, 2020, 04:46:01 PM
My PD mentioned that the career proposals in his division were already reviewed.
DMR CMP
DMR is always very fast! You might get a notification as early as October :)
Quote from: ocean2428 on October 16, 2020, 07:13:15 PM
DMR CMP
There should be some action within the next few weeks.
I know my panel was this week. My proposal was moved to another PD in the same division and moved from a narrower focused program to the larger Core.
My program manager emailed me to schedule a time (next week) to discuss my early career proposal's review outcome. What does this mean? Bad news on the way?
this is a good sign.
congrats!
Quote from: ocean2428 on October 17, 2020, 09:56:51 PM
My program manager emailed me to schedule a time (next week) to discuss my early career proposal's review outcome. What does this mean? Bad news on the way?
Quote from: ocean2428 on October 17, 2020, 09:56:51 PM
My program manager emailed me to schedule a time (next week) to discuss my early career proposal's review outcome. What does this mean? Bad news on the way?
Very good sign. They usually won't bother calling with bad news.
Just don't miss the call lol
Quote from: aspiring.academic on October 18, 2020, 05:16:44 AM
Quote from: ocean2428 on October 17, 2020, 09:56:51 PM
My program manager emailed me to schedule a time (next week) to discuss my early career proposal's review outcome. What does this mean? Bad news on the way?
Very good sign. They usually won't bother calling with bad news.
Just don't miss the call lol
Hmmm... that is not my experience. A phone call is often to convey information that they would prefer not to write down. The only time I have received a call from an NSF program manager regarding one of my grant proposals, it was to let me know that I had been on the borderline and he was encouraging me to re-submit with only minor changes. Of course, standard practice may vary by field, but it is not a good use of their time to call successful PIs.
I will also say that the attempts to infer when a review panel is meeting reported on this thread is amusing to me. My experience is that there is a significant time delay between panel meeting and results being announced. I have *never* heard back from the NSF within the nominal 6 month notification window for any of my grant proposals.
Quote from: arcturus on October 18, 2020, 05:59:23 AM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on October 18, 2020, 05:16:44 AM
Quote from: ocean2428 on October 17, 2020, 09:56:51 PM
My program manager emailed me to schedule a time (next week) to discuss my early career proposal's review outcome. What does this mean? Bad news on the way?
Very good sign. They usually won't bother calling with bad news.
Just don't miss the call lol
Hmmm... that is not my experience. A phone call is often to convey information that they would prefer not to write down. The only time I have received a call from an NSF program manager regarding one of my grant proposals, it was to let me know that I had been on the borderline and he was encouraging me to re-submit with only minor changes. Of course, standard practice may vary by field, but it is not a good use of their time to call successful PIs.
I will also say that the attempts to infer when a review panel is meeting reported on this thread is amusing to me. My experience is that there is a significant time delay between panel meeting and results being announced. I have *never* heard back from the NSF within the nominal 6 month notification window for any of my grant proposals.
My experience working directly with NSF PDs in CISE has been the polar opposite of what you describe, especially when it comes to the CAREER. Most PDs know the significance of the CAREER and that they're dealing with early career researchers. PDs go out of their way to contact potential CAREER awardees, to congratulate them on their work, discuss budgetary changes, and encourage them along their path.
As researchers progress and become more senior in their fields, it's less likely they are contacted on the phone unless it's for a large award. Most academics recognize the significance of the CAREER but its funding amount is small compared to a core award. I will agree in one area in that a phone call can provide some insight that the PD may not put in an email. However, in most cases, the researcher already knows the proposal isn't funded, and the phone call comes after the posting of panel reviews to let you know you were borderline. And even if that isn't the case with the person that posted about setting up a time to call, just the mere fact that the PD is reaching out, even if it's a decline, establishes a relationship and opens communication, which is promising and encouraging for the next round.
Some PDs are more personable than others. Maybe your PDs just weren't interested or invested and didn't bother reaching out to you. Others want to build a rapport with their awardees and have a vested interest in their success and try to establish some sort of relationship with them.
Timelines for notifications vary. Some move pretty quickly after the panels, and others are a bit slower. Going back to previous years, researchers will begin to know something, depending on their areas, as soon as this month in an unofficial capacity.
@ocean2428, keep you head up! Be optimistic and know that everyone isn't getting a phone call! That alone matters.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on October 18, 2020, 06:50:51 AM
Quote from: arcturus on October 18, 2020, 05:59:23 AM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on October 18, 2020, 05:16:44 AM
Quote from: ocean2428 on October 17, 2020, 09:56:51 PM
My program manager emailed me to schedule a time (next week) to discuss my early career proposal's review outcome. What does this mean? Bad news on the way?
Very good sign. They usually won't bother calling with bad news.
Just don't miss the call lol
Hmmm... that is not my experience. A phone call is often to convey information that they would prefer not to write down. The only time I have received a call from an NSF program manager regarding one of my grant proposals, it was to let me know that I had been on the borderline and he was encouraging me to re-submit with only minor changes. Of course, standard practice may vary by field, but it is not a good use of their time to call successful PIs.
I will also say that the attempts to infer when a review panel is meeting reported on this thread is amusing to me. My experience is that there is a significant time delay between panel meeting and results being announced. I have *never* heard back from the NSF within the nominal 6 month notification window for any of my grant proposals.
My experience working directly with NSF PDs in CISE has been the polar opposite of what you describe, especially when it comes to the CAREER. Most PDs know the significance of the CAREER and that they're dealing with early career researchers. PDs go out of their way to contact potential CAREER awardees, to congratulate them on their work, discuss budgetary changes, and encourage them along their path.
As researchers progress and become more senior in their fields, it's less likely they are contacted on the phone unless it's for a large award. Most academics recognize the significance of the CAREER but its funding amount is small compared to a core award. I will agree in one area in that a phone call can provide some insight that the PD may not put in an email. However, in most cases, the researcher already knows the proposal isn't funded, and the phone call comes after the posting of panel reviews to let you know you were borderline. And even if that isn't the case with the person that posted about setting up a time to call, just the mere fact that the PD is reaching out, even if it's a decline, establishes a relationship and opens communication, which is promising and encouraging for the next round.
Some PDs are more personable than others. Maybe your PDs just weren't interested or invested and didn't bother reaching out to you. Others want to build a rapport with their awardees and have a vested interest in their success and try to establish some sort of relationship with them.
Timelines for notifications vary. Some move pretty quickly after the panels, and others are a bit slower. Going back to previous years, researchers will begin to know something, depending on their areas, as soon as this month in an unofficial capacity.
@ocean2428, keep you head up! Be optimistic and know that everyone isn't getting a phone call! That alone matters.
My experience with CISE has been different. My PD never bothers calling. I had submitted a proposal to one of the "early-career" programs and the panel was split between competitive and low-competitive. Eventually, the proposal was rejected. I had a call with the PD--the PD was not able to provide any further information. He was just repeating what was already written in the reviews. Also, some of the reviews from a technical standpoint were wrong. I tried to explain politely that some of the comments were not very accurate and based on what the PD said, I understood that he just lets the reviewers talk without intervening even if he feels that the discussion might be going to the wrong direction. I guess it is what it is.
Quote from: research_prof on October 18, 2020, 07:48:27 AM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on October 18, 2020, 06:50:51 AM
Quote from: arcturus on October 18, 2020, 05:59:23 AM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on October 18, 2020, 05:16:44 AM
Quote from: ocean2428 on October 17, 2020, 09:56:51 PM
My program manager emailed me to schedule a time (next week) to discuss my early career proposal's review outcome. What does this mean? Bad news on the way?
Very good sign. They usually won't bother calling with bad news.
Just don't miss the call lol
Hmmm... that is not my experience. A phone call is often to convey information that they would prefer not to write down. The only time I have received a call from an NSF program manager regarding one of my grant proposals, it was to let me know that I had been on the borderline and he was encouraging me to re-submit with only minor changes. Of course, standard practice may vary by field, but it is not a good use of their time to call successful PIs.
I will also say that the attempts to infer when a review panel is meeting reported on this thread is amusing to me. My experience is that there is a significant time delay between panel meeting and results being announced. I have *never* heard back from the NSF within the nominal 6 month notification window for any of my grant proposals.
My experience working directly with NSF PDs in CISE has been the polar opposite of what you describe, especially when it comes to the CAREER. Most PDs know the significance of the CAREER and that they're dealing with early career researchers. PDs go out of their way to contact potential CAREER awardees, to congratulate them on their work, discuss budgetary changes, and encourage them along their path.
As researchers progress and become more senior in their fields, it's less likely they are contacted on the phone unless it's for a large award. Most academics recognize the significance of the CAREER but its funding amount is small compared to a core award. I will agree in one area in that a phone call can provide some insight that the PD may not put in an email. However, in most cases, the researcher already knows the proposal isn't funded, and the phone call comes after the posting of panel reviews to let you know you were borderline. And even if that isn't the case with the person that posted about setting up a time to call, just the mere fact that the PD is reaching out, even if it's a decline, establishes a relationship and opens communication, which is promising and encouraging for the next round.
Some PDs are more personable than others. Maybe your PDs just weren't interested or invested and didn't bother reaching out to you. Others want to build a rapport with their awardees and have a vested interest in their success and try to establish some sort of relationship with them.
Timelines for notifications vary. Some move pretty quickly after the panels, and others are a bit slower. Going back to previous years, researchers will begin to know something, depending on their areas, as soon as this month in an unofficial capacity.
@ocean2428, keep you head up! Be optimistic and know that everyone isn't getting a phone call! That alone matters.
My experience with CISE has been different. My PD never bothers calling. I had submitted a proposal to one of the "early-career" programs and the panel was split between competitive and low-competitive. Eventually, the proposal was rejected. I had a call with the PD--the PD was not able to provide any further information. He was just repeating what was already written in the reviews. Also, some of the reviews from a technical standpoint were wrong. I tried to explain politely that some of the comments were not very accurate and based on what the PD said, I understood that he just lets the reviewers talk without intervening even if he feels that the discussion might be going to the wrong direction. I guess it is what it is.
How long has the PD been a PD? The behavior you described usually falls in the realm of newer PDs. From my experience, the more tenured, the more information they provide and the more nurturing they are to potential awardees. Some have gone to great lengths to call after a decline and explain why 'X' program is a better fit for what you've already written than the program for which you submitted.
One thing I can say, you won't get far disagreeing with the panel and expressing that to the PD. I totally get what you're saying though since those CRII panels get a lot of proposals from early career folks. There's certainly a possibility that the panel wasn't as well versed in what you were proposing. I've personally had that happen before and it's not a pleasing experience. However, largely the PD is going to side with the consensus of the panel reviews. My takeaway from that instance was to scope the project a bit better and explain my perspective earlier in the proposal to better manage the panel's perceptions.
Even though I learned all of that as a fellow working in close concert with PDs, my first 3 proposals after leaving the agency were all declined. One didn't have a shot of being funded. The next two were close enough where the PDs called after posting the panel reviews. The next 3 were all funded. I can only speak to my experiences in CISE including at CISE CAREER workshops. Largely the PDs don't want to be seen as inaccessible and black holes, but they also have to uphold the integrity of the system in which they work even if some would agree that it's not the best system.
For what it's worth, my experience is in IIS and CNS.
Thank you everyone for encouraging replies. I have set up a phone call with my PD tomorrow at 9.30 AM, fingers crossed.
I had the phone call with my PD. The review outcome was E/E/VG/VG-G. During the panel review, the proposal landed in the middle of the very competitive category. So the proposal eligible for funding but need to address the last referee's concern. The referee made a case that experimental methods that I am using may not work, but it seems like the referee wasn't aware of my recent work published in Nature, which we demonstrated that it does work. The good news is my PD fully aware of the recent work, so he asked me to provide a 1-page summary addressing this concern. However, he said he can't guarantee anything at this point, but he seems optimistic.
Big congrats! It almost means (>99.99%) that your project will be funded shortly.
Quote from: ocean2428 on October 19, 2020, 07:08:01 AM
I had the phone call with my PD. The review outcome was E/E/VG/VG-G. During the panel review, the proposal landed in the middle of the very competitive category. So the proposal eligible for funding but need to address the last referee's concern. The referee made a case that experimental methods that I am using may not work, but it seems like the referee wasn't aware of my recent work published in Nature, which we demonstrated that it does work. The good news is my PD fully aware of the recent work, so he asked me to provide a 1-page summary addressing this concern. However, he said he can't guarantee anything at this point, but he seems optimistic.
Congrats!!!! After all of your drama with the DOE Early Career, I'm so excited that you seem on the verge of a big win here!! I'll keep my fingers crossed for you that the grant comes all the way through.
Quote from: ocean2428 on October 19, 2020, 07:08:01 AM
I had the phone call with my PD. The review outcome was E/E/VG/VG-G. During the panel review, the proposal landed in the middle of the very competitive category. So the proposal eligible for funding but need to address the last referee's concern. The referee made a case that experimental methods that I am using may not work, but it seems like the referee wasn't aware of my recent work published in Nature, which we demonstrated that it does work. The good news is my PD fully aware of the recent work, so he asked me to provide a 1-page summary addressing this concern. However, he said he can't guarantee anything at this point, but he seems optimistic.
Quote from: ocean2428 on October 19, 2020, 07:08:01 AM
I had the phone call with my PD. The review outcome was E/E/VG/VG-G. During the panel review, the proposal landed in the middle of the very competitive category. So the proposal eligible for funding but need to address the last referee's concern. The referee made a case that experimental methods that I am using may not work, but it seems like the referee wasn't aware of my recent work published in Nature, which we demonstrated that it does work. The good news is my PD fully aware of the recent work, so he asked me to provide a 1-page summary addressing this concern. However, he said he can't guarantee anything at this point, but he seems optimistic.
I love to hear it!
You are so early to know the outcome.
Congratulations！
Quote from: ocean2428 on October 19, 2020, 07:08:01 AM
I had the phone call with my PD. The review outcome was E/E/VG/VG-G. During the panel review, the proposal landed in the middle of the very competitive category. So the proposal eligible for funding but need to address the last referee's concern. The referee made a case that experimental methods that I am using may not work, but it seems like the referee wasn't aware of my recent work published in Nature, which we demonstrated that it does work. The good news is my PD fully aware of the recent work, so he asked me to provide a 1-page summary addressing this concern. However, he said he can't guarantee anything at this point, but he seems optimistic.
Congratulations, ocean2428!
Could I ask how your PD knew about your recent work? For example, did you provide the PD with updates after you submitted your proposal (and if so, is that typically encouraged?)
Quote from: ocean2428 on October 19, 2020, 07:08:01 AM
I had the phone call with my PD. The review outcome was E/E/VG/VG-G. During the panel review, the proposal landed in the middle of the very competitive category. So the proposal eligible for funding but need to address the last referee's concern. The referee made a case that experimental methods that I am using may not work, but it seems like the referee wasn't aware of my recent work published in Nature, which we demonstrated that it does work. The good news is my PD fully aware of the recent work, so he asked me to provide a 1-page summary addressing this concern. However, he said he can't guarantee anything at this point, but he seems optimistic.
Yes, before I submitted the proposal, I did mention to him that our paper was accepted (early Aug), and later when the paper actually got published, I sent him a copy. So, he was fully aware of it but the referee may not know about the paper until it got published.
Thanks! Very helpful.
Congrats ocean, exciting times!
Does anyone happen to know anything about the YIP? I received an email that it was delayed until the 23rd but still haven't heard. Presumably still delayed but anyone have insight?
Quote from: lee2002hu on October 01, 2020, 10:58:08 AM
Quote from: doc700 on September 24, 2020, 10:31:53 AM
Unrelated to NSF CAREER, did anyone else apply for AFOSR YIP? Any ideas when that will be announced?
The FY21 YIP announcement will be coming on Friday, 16 Oct. Thanks to all who applied! We received over 200+ submissions. Good Luck!!!
Posted by AFOSR recently.
Maybe the budget issue? We are still in the CR and need to see how the budget for fundamental research will be after the election...
Quote from: doc700 on October 29, 2020, 11:17:13 AM
Does anyone happen to know anything about the YIP? I received an email that it was delayed until the 23rd but still haven't heard. Presumably still delayed but anyone have insight?
Quote from: lee2002hu on October 01, 2020, 10:58:08 AM
Quote from: doc700 on September 24, 2020, 10:31:53 AM
Unrelated to NSF CAREER, did anyone else apply for AFOSR YIP? Any ideas when that will be announced?
The FY21 YIP announcement will be coming on Friday, 16 Oct. Thanks to all who applied! We received over 200+ submissions. Good Luck!!!
Posted by AFOSR recently.
I submitted my CAREER proposal (second time) to CMMI. Status changed ("Pending" to "Pending") with a new PD on 10/29/2020. No phone call or email. Likely an ominous sign.
Quote from: PopeyesSandwich on October 30, 2020, 05:14:38 PM
I submitted my CAREER proposal (second time) to CMMI. Status changed ("Pending" to "Pending") with a new PD on 10/29/2020. No phone call or email. Likely an ominous sign.
It means there's a PD and the status date reflects that update...nothing more, nothing less.
Well, I just got the response. CAREER has been recommended for funding. Need to send over a public abstract.
Congratulations! great news! What division did you apply to?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on October 08, 2020, 12:36:30 PM
Quote from: wreck on October 08, 2020, 11:00:24 AM
Thank you a lot for sharing the information! Unfortunately, https://www.nsf.gov/events/advisory.jsp does not show anything related to the PD who is in charge of my proposal, and the PD does not seem to use any social media... Thus, I have no clue at this point.
Anyone knows what is the latest time a proposal can be withdrawn? Some said before the decision is made, and some said before it is reviewed. It is easy to know if the decision has been made or not. The problem is that how can we know if the proposal has been reviewed (but not decisioned yet) or not?
Don't go solely based on the PD. If someone in your division/directorate are holding meetings, that gives you a clue.
In terms of withdrawing a proposal, why would you want to do that? You can contact the NSF to do so. If they can't withdraw it, they'll let you know. You can also reach out directly to the PD if you want to withdraw it.
Thanks a lot for your information. Really very valuable! The reason was I later looked at my submission a few times and have others looked at it too, and I think it was not my best shot but it was the last chance to me. I was just told to expect to hear about it in mid December or later. I am feeling it might be a bad sign already, since last year several people in my area heard positive news this week... The later notifications are generally declinations. This is my last bet, but senior colleagues advised that withdrawing is not recommended. So I am really struggling right now.
Just saw your sharing of the great news, huge congrats to your success!!!
Congrats!!!
Quote from: aspiring.academic on November 04, 2020, 04:44:49 PM
Well, I just got the response. CAREER has been recommended for funding. Need to send over a public abstract.
Hi everyone,
I submitted my Career proposal to CBET. I got an email from my program officer yesterday. The panel has raised two questions that I should address within a week. The PO is also asking a public abstract. I can definitely address the questions, but I needed some clarification as one of the questions is confusing; so, I emailed to the PO for a very short phone conversation. The PO did not respond yet. Should I worry? I am not very familiar with NSF.
Any suggestion will be very helpful.
Thanks.
Quote from: wreck on November 04, 2020, 07:20:31 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on October 08, 2020, 12:36:30 PM
Quote from: wreck on October 08, 2020, 11:00:24 AM
Thank you a lot for sharing the information! Unfortunately, https://www.nsf.gov/events/advisory.jsp does not show anything related to the PD who is in charge of my proposal, and the PD does not seem to use any social media... Thus, I have no clue at this point.
Anyone knows what is the latest time a proposal can be withdrawn? Some said before the decision is made, and some said before it is reviewed. It is easy to know if the decision has been made or not. The problem is that how can we know if the proposal has been reviewed (but not decisioned yet) or not?
Don't go solely based on the PD. If someone in your division/directorate are holding meetings, that gives you a clue.
In terms of withdrawing a proposal, why would you want to do that? You can contact the NSF to do so. If they can't withdraw it, they'll let you know. You can also reach out directly to the PD if you want to withdraw it.
Thanks a lot for your information. Really very valuable! The reason was I later looked at my submission a few times and have others looked at it too, and I think it was not my best shot but it was the last chance to me. I was just told to expect to hear about it in mid December or later. I am feeling it might be a bad sign already, since last year several people in my area heard positive news this week... The later notifications are generally declinations. This is my last bet, but senior colleagues advised that withdrawing is not recommended. So I am really struggling right now.
Just saw your sharing of the great news, huge congrats to your success!!!
Are you at one of those schools where a CAREER is a unwritten yet necessary award for tenure?
If you email the PD and copy your SPO then it will be withdrawn. If it has already been reviewed, but it's before decisions have been made then you'll get those reviews.
I'd be cautious about resubmitting, or submitting anything, to the same PD in subsequent years if you go that route.
Would it not be better to whip the proposal into better shape and go after any of the numerous programs within your division? That was going to be my plan if the CAREER fell through. I'm actually submitting to one this week.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on November 05, 2020, 03:36:47 PM
Quote from: wreck on November 04, 2020, 07:20:31 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on October 08, 2020, 12:36:30 PM
Quote from: wreck on October 08, 2020, 11:00:24 AM
Thank you a lot for sharing the information! Unfortunately, https://www.nsf.gov/events/advisory.jsp does not show anything related to the PD who is in charge of my proposal, and the PD does not seem to use any social media... Thus, I have no clue at this point.
Anyone knows what is the latest time a proposal can be withdrawn? Some said before the decision is made, and some said before it is reviewed. It is easy to know if the decision has been made or not. The problem is that how can we know if the proposal has been reviewed (but not decisioned yet) or not?
Don't go solely based on the PD. If someone in your division/directorate are holding meetings, that gives you a clue.
In terms of withdrawing a proposal, why would you want to do that? You can contact the NSF to do so. If they can't withdraw it, they'll let you know. You can also reach out directly to the PD if you want to withdraw it.
Thanks a lot for your information. Really very valuable! The reason was I later looked at my submission a few times and have others looked at it too, and I think it was not my best shot but it was the last chance to me. I was just told to expect to hear about it in mid December or later. I am feeling it might be a bad sign already, since last year several people in my area heard positive news this week... The later notifications are generally declinations. This is my last bet, but senior colleagues advised that withdrawing is not recommended. So I am really struggling right now.
Just saw your sharing of the great news, huge congrats to your success!!!
Are you at one of those schools where a CAREER is a unwritten yet necessary award for tenure?
If you email the PD and copy your SPO then it will be withdrawn. If it has already been reviewed, but it's before decisions have been made then you'll get those reviews.
I'd be cautious about resubmitting, or submitting anything, to the same PD in subsequent years if you go that route.
Would it not be better to whip the proposal into better shape and go after any of the numerous programs within your division? That was going to be my plan if the CAREER fell through. I'm actually submitting to one this week.
Yah, I think that is the reason why senior colleagues suggest against withdrawing---once I do that, I probably should not submit anything to the PD in the future. My problem is that, for my area, there are really just two PDs there. So, considering these, I will most likely just let it turn out. If it fells through again, of course that means I would never have CAREER. And I will reshape the proposal for other programs.
Thanks so much for your advice!!
Congrats! You should be funded shortly.
Quote from: malist123 on November 05, 2020, 01:46:43 PM
Hi everyone,
I submitted my Career proposal to CBET. I got an email from my program officer yesterday. The panel has raised two questions that I should address within a week. The PO is also asking a public abstract. I can definitely address the questions, but I needed some clarification as one of the questions is confusing; so, I emailed to the PO for a very short phone conversation. The PO did not respond yet. Should I worry? I am not very familiar with NSF.
Any suggestion will be very helpful.
Thanks.
This is a very good sign and I believe your PD will reply to you soon.
Quote from: malist123 on November 05, 2020, 01:46:43 PM
Hi everyone,
I submitted my Career proposal to CBET. I got an email from my program officer yesterday. The panel has raised two questions that I should address within a week. The PO is also asking a public abstract. I can definitely address the questions, but I needed some clarification as one of the questions is confusing; so, I emailed to the PO for a very short phone conversation. The PO did not respond yet. Should I worry? I am not very familiar with NSF.
Any suggestion will be very helpful.
Thanks.
Congratulations to this year's AFOSR Young Investigator Research Program (YIP) award recipients!
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Quote from: doc700 on October 29, 2020, 11:17:13 AM
Does anyone happen to know anything about the YIP? I received an email that it was delayed until the 23rd but still haven't heard. Presumably still delayed but anyone have insight?
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Quote from: doc700 on September 24, 2020, 10:31:53 AM
Unrelated to NSF CAREER, did anyone else apply for AFOSR YIP? Any ideas when that will be announced?
The FY21 YIP announcement will be coming on Friday, 16 Oct. Thanks to all who applied! We received over 200+ submissions. Good Luck!!!
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Hi All,
Anyone here submitted a career for the office of advanced cyber infrastructure (OAC)? Have anyone heard anything yet about the results?
Thanks
OAC's panel was the end of October. It takes about 1~2 months for the PO to contact you.
Quote from: sgalawneh on November 08, 2020, 08:07:02 AM
Hi All,
Anyone here submitted a career for the office of advanced cyber infrastructure (OAC)? Have anyone heard anything yet about the results?
Thanks
Actually, The OAC had 4 panel meetings in October. I checked my status last week the date was changed to November 4 but still pending. I haven't received anything yet as well from the program officer so I was wondering if anyone received anything yet or noticed their date was changed.
Quote from: sgalawneh on November 08, 2020, 02:58:44 PM
Actually, The OAC had 4 panel meetings in October. I checked my status last week the date was changed to November 4 but still pending. I haven't received anything yet from the program officer, so I wondered if anyone received anything yet or noticed their date was changed.
Just going off other experiences, the date change likely reflects that the reviews have been loaded. That jives with what you mentioned about the panel meeting in early October. After the reviews have been loaded, the pending status could mean any number of things, but given that they were just loaded last week, I'd lead towards decisions that have yet to be made.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on November 09, 2020, 05:45:07 AM
Quote from: sgalawneh on November 08, 2020, 02:58:44 PM
Actually, The OAC had 4 panel meetings in October. I checked my status last week the date was changed to November 4 but still pending. I haven't received anything yet from the program officer, so I wondered if anyone received anything yet or noticed their date was changed.
Just going off other experiences, the date change likely reflects that the reviews have been loaded. That jives with what you mentioned about the panel meeting in early October. After the reviews have been loaded, the pending status could mean any number of things, but given that they were just loaded last week, I'd lead towards decisions that have yet to be made.
Have you come cross a case that have been recommended after the date has been changed and the status still pending?
From my previous experiences I used to get the rejection email right after the date has been changed (Usually, the second day). This time is different the status date was changed on Nov 4 and the status still pending so I am not sure if it is a positive thing?
Quote from: sgalawneh on November 11, 2020, 04:29:30 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on November 09, 2020, 05:45:07 AM
Quote from: sgalawneh on November 08, 2020, 02:58:44 PM
Actually, The OAC had 4 panel meetings in October. I checked my status last week the date was changed to November 4 but still pending. I haven't received anything yet from the program officer, so I wondered if anyone received anything yet or noticed their date was changed.
Just going off other experiences, the date change likely reflects that the reviews have been loaded. That jives with what you mentioned about the panel meeting in early October. After the reviews have been loaded, the pending status could mean any number of things, but given that they were just loaded last week, I'd lead towards decisions that have yet to be made.
Have you come cross a case that have been recommended after the date has been changed and the status still pending?
From my previous experiences I used to get the rejection email right after the date has been changed (Usually, the second day). This time is different the status date was changed on Nov 4 and the status still pending so I am not sure if it is a positive thing?
To answer your question, yes. That's typically how it works. A proposal is submitted and it'll sit in the pending state with the date of the submission or the day after if submitted through FastLane. A date change will occur once the panel reviews are uploaded but haven't been released. Another date change will come when the reviews are released.
You're reading too much into it. The status updated because reviews were loaded.
The status will remain in this state until decisions are made.
If you're going to be funded you'll be contacted by a PD. Very rarely in the case of the CAREER is one funded without some contact from the PD.
If there's another status update and you haven't been contacted then I'd become concerned. Until then just sit back and keep your fingers crossed.
Public awards are starting to post.
NSF —> Award Search —> Advanced Search —> Reference Code: 1045 —> Start Date: After 1/1/2021
Finger Crossed!
Quote from: aspiring.academic on November 13, 2020, 03:26:33 PM
Public awards are starting to post.
NSF —> Award Search —> Advanced Search —> Reference Code: 1045 —> Start Date: After 1/1/2021
Hi,
I am curious how everyone figures out the panel date. I thought these dates are published on https://www.nsf.gov/events/advisory.jsp however, I was looking up the federal register which has more detailed information of these events. It turns out that the panels convened by my program manager are all on-site (of course done virtually) reviews of some big centers in my field (physics division). I did not see any panel for regular/career proposal reviews.
Is now a bit too early to contact PD to ask for status?
thanks!
Not each PD will have panels. Sometimes reviews occur with other PDs who have panels in the same division.
Hi Aspiring: My proposal status is showing the date when I submitted, no status change since then. Should I contact PD?
I wouldn't contact the PD until after six months unless you have a compelling reason to do so. I left the country for a month last year and didn't know how the internet, or my cell service, would be in Colombia, so I emailed the PD to alert him if he tried to contact me.
Last cycle, it took 11 months to decide on my CAREER proposal. The panel didn't meet until January 2020 despite the proposal's submission in July 2019, and I didn't have a decision until June 2020.
The standard timeframe the NSF provides is six months, and sometimes it sooner, and often it's longer, but absent a reason to do so, just let them work.
I found writing another proposal while waiting for a response to be an excellent way to pass the time.
Hi Aspiring: Many thanks for your valuable response. I agree with you.
Hi Everyone,
I benefit a lot from the discussion in this thread regarding NSF CAREER. A few weeks ago, a PD emailed me asking for a quad chart to summary my proposal (not an abstract). Does anyone have the same request? Is this a typical procedure in the review process? It seems that little information could be found regarding this. Many thanks in advance!
Quote from: aspiring.academic on November 19, 2020, 04:03:24 AM
I wouldn't contact the PD until after six months unless you have a compelling reason to do so. I left the country for a month last year and didn't know how the internet, or my cell service, would be in Colombia, so I emailed the PD to alert him if he tried to contact me.
Last cycle, it took 11 months to decide on my CAREER proposal. The panel didn't meet until January 2020 despite the proposal's submission in July 2019, and I didn't have a decision until June 2020.
The standard timeframe the NSF provides is six months, and sometimes it sooner, and often it's longer, but absent a reason to do so, just let them work.
I found writing another proposal while waiting for a response to be an excellent way to pass the time.
Thanks for the advice. 11 months is a long wait. I'm glad it worked out for you in the end
it's a typical procedure when the PD considers to fund your proposal.
congrats!
Quote from: nidayewo on November 19, 2020, 06:51:26 AM
Hi Everyone,
I benefit a lot from the discussion in this thread regarding NSF CAREER. A few weeks ago, a PD emailed me asking for a quad chart to summary my proposal (not an abstract). Does anyone have the same request? Is this a typical procedure in the review process? It seems that little information could be found regarding this. Many thanks in advance!
Quote from: soccer on November 19, 2020, 10:01:31 AM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on November 19, 2020, 04:03:24 AM
I wouldn't contact the PD until after six months unless you have a compelling reason to do so. I left the country for a month last year and didn't know how the internet, or my cell service, would be in Colombia, so I emailed the PD to alert him if he tried to contact me.
Last cycle, it took 11 months to decide on my CAREER proposal. The panel didn't meet until January 2020 despite the proposal's submission in July 2019, and I didn't have a decision until June 2020.
The standard timeframe the NSF provides is six months, and sometimes it sooner, and often it's longer, but absent a reason to do so, just let them work.
I found writing another proposal while waiting for a response to be an excellent way to pass the time.
Thanks for the advice. 11 months is a long wait. I'm glad it worked out for you in the end
It worked out, not with that PD but it did work out.
That experience turned me off from that PD. After receiving my reviews on 6/24, that PD said he'd open to discussing the proposal via a Zoom call. I replied the same day on 6/24. And as of right now, I didn't get a response so I moved on with 2 months to revise the proposal.
I made the necessary adjustments to the proposal to fit elsewhere.
Quote from: lightofhope on November 19, 2020, 11:53:53 AM
it's a typical procedure when the PD considers to fund your proposal.
congrats!
Quote from: nidayewo on November 19, 2020, 06:51:26 AM
Hi Everyone,
I benefit a lot from the discussion in this thread regarding NSF CAREER. A few weeks ago, a PD emailed me asking for a quad chart to summary my proposal (not an abstract). Does anyone have the same request? Is this a typical procedure in the review process? It seems that little information could be found regarding this. Many thanks in advance!
Thank you so much for your reply! I will keep updated here if I hear any news.
I am aware that asking for abstract almost implies being awarded, but I never heard the concept of quad chart before...
Hi Ni Da Ye, thanks for sharing! Do you mind telling us which program you applied to?
Quote from: nidayewo on November 19, 2020, 12:58:27 PM
Quote from: lightofhope on November 19, 2020, 11:53:53 AM
it's a typical procedure when the PD considers to fund your proposal.
congrats!
Quote from: nidayewo on November 19, 2020, 06:51:26 AM
Hi Everyone,
I benefit a lot from the discussion in this thread regarding NSF CAREER. A few weeks ago, a PD emailed me asking for a quad chart to summary my proposal (not an abstract). Does anyone have the same request? Is this a typical procedure in the review process? It seems that little information could be found regarding this. Many thanks in advance!
Thank you so much for your reply! I will keep updated here if I hear any news.
I am aware that asking for abstract almost implies being awarded, but I never heard the concept of quad chart before...
Quote from: xamxam on November 20, 2020, 09:59:02 AM
Hi Ni Da Ye, thanks for sharing! Do you mind telling us which program you applied to?
Quote from: nidayewo on November 19, 2020, 12:58:27 PM
Quote from: lightofhope on November 19, 2020, 11:53:53 AM
it's a typical procedure when the PD considers to fund your proposal.
congrats!
Quote from: nidayewo on November 19, 2020, 06:51:26 AM
Hi Everyone,
I benefit a lot from the discussion in this thread regarding NSF CAREER. A few weeks ago, a PD emailed me asking for a quad chart to summary my proposal (not an abstract). Does anyone have the same request? Is this a typical procedure in the review process? It seems that little information could be found regarding this. Many thanks in advance!
Thank you so much for your reply! I will keep updated here if I hear any news.
I am aware that asking for abstract almost implies being awarded, but I never heard the concept of quad chart before...
Sorry, I forgot to mentioned that it is CCF.
Have you heard about this kind of request before?
Any news from the Fundamental Research in Robotics? It is a new NSF program. My proposal was originally submitted to a different program but was transferred to new the robotics program. Not sure when some news will come out. My panel was held two weeks ago.
Hello all,
My CAREER proposal statues has changed as of today (11/24) and I haven't contacted by the PO. I am a little down :(. I worked around 1 year on the idea.
This is my first submission, though.
-Vi
Quote from: Vid on November 24, 2020, 09:31:42 PM
Hello all,
My CAREER proposal statues has changed as of today (11/24) and I haven't contacted by the PO. I am a little down :(. I worked around 1 year on the idea.
This is my first submission, though.
-Vi
Funding is the game of failures, I guess we just need to keep on writing and submitting..
Quote from: Vid on November 24, 2020, 09:31:42 PM
Hello all,
My CAREER proposal statues has changed as of today (11/24) and I haven't contacted by the PO. I am a little down :(. I worked around 1 year on the idea.
This is my first submission, though.
-Vi
Thanks for sharing with us. At least you might get some feedback on your proposal. I am writing a DOE Early Career proposal now and was hoping to get feedback from the NSF reviews. It feels like I may not hear back from NSF at all before the DOE deadline.
Quote from: nidayewo on November 20, 2020, 10:52:46 AM
Quote from: xamxam on November 20, 2020, 09:59:02 AM
Hi Ni Da Ye, thanks for sharing! Do you mind telling us which program you applied to?
Quote from: nidayewo on November 19, 2020, 12:58:27 PM
Quote from: lightofhope on November 19, 2020, 11:53:53 AM
it's a typical procedure when the PD considers to fund your proposal.
congrats!
Quote from: nidayewo on November 19, 2020, 06:51:26 AM
Hi Everyone,
I benefit a lot from the discussion in this thread regarding NSF CAREER. A few weeks ago, a PD emailed me asking for a quad chart to summary my proposal (not an abstract). Does anyone have the same request? Is this a typical procedure in the review process? It seems that little information could be found regarding this. Many thanks in advance!
Thank you so much for your reply! I will keep updated here if I hear any news.
I am aware that asking for abstract almost implies being awarded, but I never heard the concept of quad chart before...
Sorry, I forgot to mentioned that it is CCF.
Have you heard about this kind of request before?
Thanks a lot for sharing! I haven't heard about such request. Have you got any feedback after sending the PD the quad chart? Which program are you in under CCF, AF, CIF, FET, or SHF?
Quote from: waterfall on November 25, 2020, 01:56:09 PM
Quote from: nidayewo on November 20, 2020, 10:52:46 AM
Quote from: xamxam on November 20, 2020, 09:59:02 AM
Hi Ni Da Ye, thanks for sharing! Do you mind telling us which program you applied to?
Quote from: nidayewo on November 19, 2020, 12:58:27 PM
Quote from: lightofhope on November 19, 2020, 11:53:53 AM
it's a typical procedure when the PD considers to fund your proposal.
congrats!
Quote from: nidayewo on November 19, 2020, 06:51:26 AM
Hi Everyone,
I benefit a lot from the discussion in this thread regarding NSF CAREER. A few weeks ago, a PD emailed me asking for a quad chart to summary my proposal (not an abstract). Does anyone have the same request? Is this a typical procedure in the review process? It seems that little information could be found regarding this. Many thanks in advance!
Thank you so much for your reply! I will keep updated here if I hear any news.
I am aware that asking for abstract almost implies being awarded, but I never heard the concept of quad chart before...
Sorry, I forgot to mentioned that it is CCF.
Have you heard about this kind of request before?
Thanks a lot for sharing! I haven't heard about such request. Have you got any feedback after sending the PD the quad chart? Which program are you in under CCF, AF, CIF, FET, or SHF?
PD hasn't contacted me afterwards. I guess the quad chart may be used for some internal discussion among PDs.
We have been in budget negotiations this week with a program officer over a CAREER proposal in CCF (SHF). The PI was notified on Monday.
Quote from: hazelshade on November 25, 2020, 05:50:26 PM
We have been in budget negotiations this week with a program officer over a CAREER proposal in CCF (SHF). The PI was notified on Monday.
Thank you for the information!
Hope all have a good news in Dec!
Finger Crossed!
When do they usually let you know? December? I had a communication with my PM in mid-October asking for some clarifications. I haven't heard anything since then. I am really worried now.
I just got an email from a program manager asking to talk to me via phone next week (for the MMN program in DMR). What does this mean?
I had a similar experience 6 weeks ago. My PM went through the review comments and asked me to submit some clarification to one of the referee's comments. The PM was positive and said he is going to recommend for funding, depending on the budget. However, since then I haven't heard anything. I assume a phone call is a good sign. Good luck!
Quote from: ocean2428 on December 06, 2020, 12:05:33 PM
I had a similar experience 6 weeks ago. My PM went through the review comments and asked me to submit some clarification to one of the referee's comments. The PM was positive and said he is going to recommend for funding, depending on the budget. However, since then I haven't heard anything. I assume a phone call is a good sign. Good luck!
I think the PM is going to fund you. Congrats! May I know which program and the panel date?
Quote from: Electrochemist on December 06, 2020, 11:48:25 AM
I just got an email from a program manager asking to talk to me via phone next week (for the MMN program in DMR). What does this mean?
A good sign!
Quote from: angelama on December 06, 2020, 12:24:53 PM
Quote from: ocean2428 on December 06, 2020, 12:05:33 PM
I had a similar experience 6 weeks ago. My PM went through the review comments and asked me to submit some clarification to one of the referee's comments. The PM was positive and said he is going to recommend for funding, depending on the budget. However, since then I haven't heard anything. I assume a phone call is a good sign. Good luck!
I think the PM is going to fund you. Congrats! May I know which program and the panel date?
Oops. Misread the quote thread.
means PO wants to fund you
congrats!
Quote from: Electrochemist on December 06, 2020, 11:48:25 AM
I just got an email from a program manager asking to talk to me via phone next week (for the MMN program in DMR). What does this mean?
Quote from: Electrochemist on December 06, 2020, 11:48:25 AM
I just got an email from a program manager asking to talk to me via phone next week (for the MMN program in DMR). What does this mean?
interesting to know government employees work during weekend!
The PO is also a professor so that's probably why she was working on the weekend
My POs always work over the weekends and send emails.
It is just a personal style.
Quote from: soccer on December 06, 2020, 03:55:26 PM
Quote from: Electrochemist on December 06, 2020, 11:48:25 AM
I just got an email from a program manager asking to talk to me via phone next week (for the MMN program in DMR). What does this mean?
interesting to know government employees work during weekend!
Congrats! It should be good news!
Quote from: Electrochemist on December 06, 2020, 11:48:25 AM
I just got an email from a program manager asking to talk to me via phone next week (for the MMN program in DMR). What does this mean?
Electrochemist: Congratulations. I wonder if this was your first CAREER submission?
Thank you,
Vi
Quote from: Vid on December 06, 2020, 09:31:13 PM
Electrochemist: Congratulations. I wonder if this was your first CAREER submission?
Thank you,
Vi
It was my third try overall. Second time submitting that specific proposal to the MMN program.
Quote from: Electrochemist on December 07, 2020, 04:48:34 AM
Quote from: Vid on December 06, 2020, 09:31:13 PM
Electrochemist: Congratulations. I wonder if this was your first CAREER submission?
Thank you,
Vi
It was my third try overall. Second time submitting that specific proposal to the MMN program.
BIG Congrats!
Thank you, Electrochemist. Congratulations again.
All; I wonder is it possible to get the CAREER award at the second try? I mean if your proposal is well written and everything is greatly integrated. I know it depends on how strong your proposal is, but I was told that PDs have a great influences on CAREER award decision/selection (I was told in a CAREER conference that PDs can change the rating!) and some programs let the candidate try three times!
Thank you,
--Vi
Quote from: Vid on December 07, 2020, 08:46:17 AM
Thank you, Electrochemist. Congratulations again.
All; I wonder is it possible to get the CAREER award at the second try? I mean if your proposal is well written and everything is greatly integrated. I know it depends on how strong your proposal is, but I was told that PDs have a great influences on CAREER award decision/selection (I was told in a CAREER conference that PDs can change the rating!) and some programs let the candidate try three times!
Thank you,
--Vi
Its possible; I could have gotten it the second try as the research portion reviewed quite well. unfortunately my outreach section was similar to an existing proposal i had funded. The PO wrote it a comment that the outreach had to be different than my existing award. I think that was the main reason I didn't get it.
I almost got it on my first try when I submitted it to CBET Catalysis. It reviewed quite well and the PO said I was very close.
Quote from: Electrochemist on December 07, 2020, 08:49:54 AM
Quote from: Vid on December 07, 2020, 08:46:17 AM
Thank you, Electrochemist. Congratulations again.
All; I wonder is it possible to get the CAREER award at the second try? I mean if your proposal is well written and everything is greatly integrated. I know it depends on how strong your proposal is, but I was told that PDs have a great influences on CAREER award decision/selection (I was told in a CAREER conference that PDs can change the rating!) and some programs let the candidate try three times!
Thank you,
--Vi
Its possible; I could have gotten it the second try as the research portion reviewed quite well. unfortunately my outreach section was similar to an existing proposal i had funded. The PO wrote in a comment that the outreach had to be different than my existing award. I think that was the main reason I didn't get it.
I almost got it on my first try when I submitted a completely different proposal to CBET Catalysis. It reviewed quite well and the PO said I was very close.
Quote from: Vid on December 07, 2020, 08:46:17 AM
Thank you, Electrochemist. Congratulations again.
All; I wonder is it possible to get the CAREER award at the second try? I mean if your proposal is well written and everything is greatly integrated. I know it depends on how strong your proposal is, but I was told that PDs have a great influences on CAREER award decision/selection (I was told in a CAREER conference that PDs can change the rating!) and some programs let the candidate try three times!
Thank you,
--Vi
It's certainly possible. The award we're in negotiations on was the PI's first try; our two most recent previous submissions were both funded on the second try.
Electrochemist; interesting. I did submit to CBET as well. Got declined--first try!
Thank you all.
I served on a panel for the NSF CAREER award. We roughly sorted the candidates into the mostly highly competitive, medium and non-competitive (with some near the lines). There was 1 superb proposal that was ranked in the first place. That proposal did come from a candidate who was submitting for the first time (although he was not a first-year faculty and did have an established group). No one discussed his number of attempts as uniformly everyone thought his proposal was excellent.
When we got to ranking who was 3rd/4th was where it got more difficult. The PO had the final say and the 4th place person did end up getting funded. But ranking 3, 4 and 5 was going to be influential in who got funded and who didn't. There there was an acknowledgement that someone was on the third try whereas someone else wasn't so we would give the person on their third try the "tiebreaker." It didn't matter if people were on the 1st or 2nd try -- what was relevant was that it was someone's last attempt and if we didn't give them the award this year, they would never be able to win.
In short, from my 1 experience on the panel, being on the 3rd try did help as a tiebreaker if you were really, really close to being above the line. But an exceptional proposal could also be easily funded in year 1 or 2.
Quote from: doc700 on December 07, 2020, 01:08:59 PM
I served on a panel for the NSF CAREER award. We roughly sorted the candidates into the mostly highly competitive, medium and non-competitive (with some near the lines). There was 1 superb proposal that was ranked in the first place. That proposal did come from a candidate who was submitting for the first time (although he was not a first-year faculty and did have an established group). No one discussed his number of attempts as uniformly everyone thought his proposal was excellent.
When we got to ranking who was 3rd/4th was where it got more difficult. The PO had the final say and the 4th place person did end up getting funded. But ranking 3, 4 and 5 was going to be influential in who got funded and who didn't. There there was an acknowledgement that someone was on the third try whereas someone else wasn't so we would give the person on their third try the "tiebreaker." It didn't matter if people were on the 1st or 2nd try -- what was relevant was that it was someone's last attempt and if we didn't give them the award this year, they would never be able to win.
In short, from my 1 experience on the panel, being on the 3rd try did help as a tiebreaker if you were really, really close to being above the line. But an exceptional proposal could also be easily funded in year 1 or 2.
Thanks very much for the comment. I have heard something similar about the DOE early career review process. My first year as an AP, I submitted a DOE early career but didn't do it for the CAREER, and this year I submitted a CAREER but didn't submit a DOE early career. I was worrying about wasting my 3 chances.
doc700: Thank you for your advice.
Would you think they will send my proposal to the same reviewers next year? I started working and revising my proposal and would like to get some insights about whether to incorporate reviewer's feedback or not (some of them are great but a few seem to be off and unclear feedback).
Thank you,
--Vi
Based on my communications with the PO, they will at least have one "same" reviewer but not all.
Quote from: Vid on December 07, 2020, 07:11:37 PM
doc700: Thank you for your advice.
Would you think they will send my proposal to the same reviewers next year? I started working and revising my proposal and would like to get some insights about whether to incorporate reviewer's feedback or not (some of them are great but a few seem to be off and unclear feedback).
Thank you,
--Vi
I was on an in person panel (2 years ago, back when those were in person!). Its possible that some people return year after year, but I only went once. I submitted a CAREER proposal to that PO the following year. As a result, I don't know if the same people normally are asked in subsequent years as I wouldn't have been eligible. Also, for the in person panel, the comments and assessment were made through discussion. So even if a few people were on the panel the prior year, its likely the conversation and consensus would take a different turn.
Other programs do mail in reviews so there there could be some duplicate reviewers?
I've reviewed both DOE Early Career (mail in) as well as the NSF CAREER panel. Its not only a good way to know the PO and do service for him/her but also to get to know how the process works. I have been rejected once now for both NSF CAREER and DOE so I can't claim it instantly got me a winning proposal, but it did help me understand the process.
Quote from: Vid on December 07, 2020, 07:11:37 PM
doc700: Thank you for your advice.
Would you think they will send my proposal to the same reviewers next year? I started working and revising my proposal and would like to get some insights about whether to incorporate reviewer's feedback or not (some of them are great but a few seem to be off and unclear feedback).
Thank you,
--Vi
Quote from: Vid on December 07, 2020, 07:11:37 PM
doc700: Thank you for your advice.
Would you think they will send my proposal to the same reviewers next year? I started working and revising my proposal and would like to get some insights about whether to incorporate reviewer's feedback or not (some of them are great but a few seem to be off and unclear feedback).
Thank you,
--Vi
No, no, double no!
You never incorporate specific reviewer feedback in an NSF proposal. Grantsmanship is not the same as manuscript preparation. You can rework your proposal, but don't reference any specific review from this cycle. Panels do not have the same people on them so don't write your proposal as though the same eyes will see it next year.
Typically, if you're on the cusp of being funded the PD may reach out with some additional questions from the panel and then you respond to those directly, similar to a journal submission.
Since last October, I haven't heard anything from my PM, where he called me to clarify a few things and asked me to submit half a page explanation. He was very positive. Since then, no communications. I am starting to worry now. Should I contact the PM? Or should I wait?
Just be patient...
POs are human beings and they are super busy these days...
Quote from: ocean2428 on December 08, 2020, 08:50:13 AM
Since last October, I haven't heard anything from my PM, where he called me to clarify a few things and asked me to submit half a page explanation. He was very positive. Since then, no communications. I am starting to worry now. Should I contact the PM? Or should I wait?
Got questions on a proposal in EHR-DRL last week, with an email about recommendation for funding. I'm trying really hard to manage expectations right now, because I've had questions before and got declined at the highest level (not CAREER though). Fingers, toes, and everything else crossed right now.
I had an experience with NSF DMR proposal (not CAREER) that was recommended for funding and asked for an updated C&P and Abstract (by email). After about a month I got the final NOA. I think you are in. It should be good news. I have not heard anyone deny finding after getting an email saying recommended for funding. So, Congrats!
Did they ask for Abstract?
Quote from: bluefooted on December 08, 2020, 01:07:16 PM
Got questions on a proposal in EHR-DRL last week, with an email about recommendation for funding. I'm trying really hard to manage expectations right now, because I've had questions before and got declined at the highest level (not CAREER though). Fingers, toes, and everything else crossed right now.
Still haven't chatted with the PO. She hasn't responded to my emails to coordinate a time. I will update with the result after the conversation
Quote from: ocean2428 on December 08, 2020, 02:51:15 PM
I had an experience with NSF DMR proposal (not CAREER) that was recommended for funding and asked for an updated C&P and Abstract (by email). After about a month I got the final NOA. I think you are in. It should be good news. I have not heard anyone deny finding after getting an email saying recommended for funding. So, Congrats!
Rare but not unheard of since the PD doesn't make the award.
Interesting! In your experience how long it took you to get the NOA after PD recommended for funding?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 08, 2020, 08:19:46 PM
Quote from: ocean2428 on December 08, 2020, 02:51:15 PM
I had an experience with NSF DMR proposal (not CAREER) that was recommended for funding and asked for an updated C&P and Abstract (by email). After about a month I got the final NOA. I think you are in. It should be good news. I have not heard anyone deny finding after getting an email saying recommended for funding. So, Congrats!
Rare but not unheard of since the PD doesn't make the award.
Quote from: ocean2428 on December 08, 2020, 08:30:49 PM
Interesting! In your experience how long it took you to get the NOA after PD recommended for funding?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 08, 2020, 08:19:46 PM
Quote from: ocean2428 on December 08, 2020, 02:51:15 PM
I had an experience with NSF DMR proposal (not CAREER) that was recommended for funding and asked for an updated C&P and Abstract (by email). After about a month I got the final NOA. I think you are in. It should be good news. I have not heard anyone deny finding after getting an email saying recommended for funding. So, Congrats!
Rare but not unheard of since the PD doesn't make the award.
PDs make the recommendation for funding, but it is considered pending until approved by NSF leadership and the Division of Grants and Agreements (DGA). It is the DGA that sends out the award letter, and at that time, it's considered final. There have been times where proposals that are recommended for funding aren't funded, mostly due to budgetary issues that weren't present at the time of the recommendation.
Anyway, to answer your question, it varies on several factors. If the PD asks for additional information and you take three weeks to get it to them, then that's going to cause a delay. Only once all materials have been provided (e.g., responding to questions, providing abstract, federally negotiated rates, IRB determination, budget negotiations, etc.) can the PD recommend funding to the Division Director. They work closely together so the division director is generally in the loop so there aren't any surprises.
Sometimes things can move quickly if the researcher has their ducks in a row, and sometimes it can take a while. I've had the NOA in as quick as a month, and other times it has been 2+ months.
Thank you for this information. Very helpful!
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 09, 2020, 05:28:54 AM
Quote from: ocean2428 on December 08, 2020, 08:30:49 PM
Interesting! In your experience how long it took you to get the NOA after PD recommended for funding?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 08, 2020, 08:19:46 PM
Quote from: ocean2428 on December 08, 2020, 02:51:15 PM
I had an experience with NSF DMR proposal (not CAREER) that was recommended for funding and asked for an updated C&P and Abstract (by email). After about a month I got the final NOA. I think you are in. It should be good news. I have not heard anyone deny finding after getting an email saying recommended for funding. So, Congrats!
Rare but not unheard of since the PD doesn't make the award.
PDs make the recommendation for funding, but it is considered pending until approved by NSF leadership and the Division of Grants and Agreements (DGA). It is the DGA that sends out the award letter, and at that time, it's considered final. There have been times where proposals that are recommended for funding aren't funded, mostly due to budgetary issues that weren't present at the time of the recommendation.
Anyway, to answer your question, it varies on several factors. If the PD asks for additional information and you take three weeks to get it to them, then that's going to cause a delay. Only once all materials have been provided (e.g., responding to questions, providing abstract, federally negotiated rates, IRB determination, budget negotiations, etc.) can the PD recommend funding to the Division Director. They work closely together so the division director is generally in the loop so there aren't any surprises.
Sometimes things can move quickly if the researcher has their ducks in a row, and sometimes it can take a while. I've had the NOA in as quick as a month, and other times it has been 2+ months.
So it's generally recognized that a Status Date change that isn't accompanied by PO contact is generally a sign of imminent rejection, right?
Has anyone ever been rejected without seeing a Status Date change?
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 10, 2020, 12:50:33 PM
So it's generally recognized that a Status Date change that isn't accompanied by PO contact is generally a sign of imminent rejection, right?
Has anyone ever been rejected without seeing a Status Date change?
Not accurate.
I experienced a status change in mid October.
The PD contacted me in early November.
I agree.
Anyone has any update on CAREER proposal submitted to SYN or CAT program?
Change of PO also triggers the status change, and it could be a good sign
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 10, 2020, 12:50:33 PM
So it's generally recognized that a Status Date change that isn't accompanied by PO contact is generally a sign of imminent rejection, right?
Has anyone ever been rejected without seeing a Status Date change?
The first status update is usually indicative of panel having met and ratings being loaded. This is just the normal progression of things and no cause for concern.
It's the second status update without contact that likely corresponds with a decline. The second update with no contact likely means ratings and reviews have been queued for release and an email will soon follow.
The status will also update if the PD changes. PD changes occur often since most PDs with the NSF are rotational. This update is no big deal.
The status will update if a proposal is administratively moved to a different area for better alignment and fit. This update is also no big deal.
Question about notification email:
I always receive my NSF rejections (CAREER/standard) at 9pm central time (so 10pm DC time). They are almost always on Fridays. The last two times, when I heard the notification sound from my phone at exactly 9pm, I knew right away that it was bad news, before reading the email. (Worse, I was at dinner with my family.)
The one time when I received an acceptance for a standard NSF grant, it was at 4pm on a Friday.
Does this apply across the board to all NSF divisions? Fridays are very scary for me.
Notifications can come any day, not just Friday.
But yes, they are likely to come at 10 PM EST and usually with the subject line "NSF Proposal Notification..."
The body gets right to the point, "I regret..."
How about good news? Usually 5pm EST?
Quote from: BoMiu on December 11, 2020, 09:19:45 PM
How about good news? Usually 5pm EST?
Whenever the PD reaches out to you.
CISE finished all Career panels and will make decisions in next or two weeks.
Finger Crossed!
I just checked my previous rejected ones. They were indeed as you have described...
Is that NSF's way of saying have a nice weekend? :)
Quote from: BoMiu on December 11, 2020, 02:49:55 PM
Question about notification email:
I always receive my NSF rejections (CAREER/standard) at 9pm central time (so 10pm DC time). They are almost always on Fridays. The last two times, when I heard the notification sound from my phone at exactly 9pm, I knew right away that it was bad news, before reading the email. (Worse, I was at dinner with my family.)
The one time when I received an acceptance for a standard NSF grant, it was at 4pm on a Friday.
Does this apply across the board to all NSF divisions? Fridays are very scary for me.
as I check further, some of mine are not on Fridays, but they all arrived at 10:0x PM EST
Quote from: nidayewo on December 12, 2020, 06:16:16 PM
I just checked my previous rejected ones. They were indeed as you have described...
Is that NSF's way of saying have a nice weekend? :)
Quote from: BoMiu on December 11, 2020, 02:49:55 PM
Question about notification email:
I always receive my NSF rejections (CAREER/standard) at 9pm central time (so 10pm DC time). They are almost always on Fridays. The last two times, when I heard the notification sound from my phone at exactly 9pm, I knew right away that it was bad news, before reading the email. (Worse, I was at dinner with my family.)
The one time when I received an acceptance for a standard NSF grant, it was at 4pm on a Friday.
Does this apply across the board to all NSF divisions? Fridays are very scary for me.
Quote from: nidayewo on December 12, 2020, 06:22:00 PM
as I check further, some of mine are not on Fridays, but they all arrived at 10:0x PM EST
Quote from: nidayewo on December 12, 2020, 06:16:16 PM
I just checked my previous rejected ones. They were indeed as you have described...
Is that NSF's way of saying have a nice weekend? :)
Quote from: BoMiu on December 11, 2020, 02:49:55 PM
Question about notification email:
I always receive my NSF rejections (CAREER/standard) at 9pm central time (so 10pm DC time). They are almost always on Fridays. The last two times, when I heard the notification sound from my phone at exactly 9pm, I knew right away that it was bad news, before reading the email. (Worse, I was at dinner with my family.)
The one time when I received an acceptance for a standard NSF grant, it was at 4pm on a Friday.
Does this apply across the board to all NSF divisions? Fridays are very scary for me.
Notification email arrives at 10 pm Eastern. However the rejection will generally be posted to fastlane earlier in the day. So if you are anxious like me and you constantly check fastlane every day then you can beat out the notification email by a few hours. (Obv a terrible waste of time).
I feel like I know NSF too much to get an award...
Quote from: fizzycist on December 12, 2020, 06:30:38 PM
Quote from: nidayewo on December 12, 2020, 06:22:00 PM
as I check further, some of mine are not on Fridays, but they all arrived at 10:0x PM EST
Quote from: nidayewo on December 12, 2020, 06:16:16 PM
I just checked my previous rejected ones. They were indeed as you have described...
Is that NSF's way of saying have a nice weekend? :)
Quote from: BoMiu on December 11, 2020, 02:49:55 PM
Question about notification email:
I always receive my NSF rejections (CAREER/standard) at 9pm central time (so 10pm DC time). They are almost always on Fridays. The last two times, when I heard the notification sound from my phone at exactly 9pm, I knew right away that it was bad news, before reading the email. (Worse, I was at dinner with my family.)
The one time when I received an acceptance for a standard NSF grant, it was at 4pm on a Friday.
Does this apply across the board to all NSF divisions? Fridays are very scary for me.
Notification email arrives at 10 pm Eastern. However the rejection will generally be posted to fastlane earlier in the day. So if you are anxious like me and you constantly check fastlane every day then you can beat out the notification email by a few hours. (Obv a terrible waste of time).
Quote from: fizzycist on December 12, 2020, 06:30:38 PM
Notification email arrives at 10 pm Eastern. However the rejection will generally be posted to fastlane earlier in the day. So if you are anxious like me and you constantly check fastlane every day then you can beat out the notification email by a few hours. (Obv a terrible waste of time).
I know that. But it doesn't do me any good to know the bad news earlier, so I make a point not checking fastlane everyday (I do check sometimes since the temptation is too great). At least I will have a few extra hours to enjoy the day :D.
Quote from: lightofhope on December 12, 2020, 12:53:59 PM
CISE finished all Career panels and will make decisions in next or two weeks.
Finger Crossed!
May I know how you get that information? Did you contact the PM? Thank you!!
PM told me........
My CAREER has been officially recommended for funding.
I'm beyond excited!
Big congrats!!!
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 15, 2020, 06:34:48 AM
My CAREER has been officially recommended for funding.
I'm beyond excited!
congratulations! YOU WON BIG!!
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 15, 2020, 06:34:48 AM
My CAREER has been officially recommended for funding.
I'm beyond excited!
Congratulations! great news.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 15, 2020, 06:34:48 AM
My CAREER has been officially recommended for funding.
I'm beyond excited!
Awesome!
Congrats!!!
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 15, 2020, 06:34:48 AM
My CAREER has been officially recommended for funding.
I'm beyond excited!
Congratulations. very well done.
--Vi
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 15, 2020, 06:34:48 AM
My CAREER has been officially recommended for funding.
I'm beyond excited!
BIG Congratulations!!!
Big congratulations!!!
May I ask which program?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 15, 2020, 06:34:48 AM
My CAREER has been officially recommended for funding.
I'm beyond excited!
Awesome! Congratulations!
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 15, 2020, 06:34:48 AM
My CAREER has been officially recommended for funding.
I'm beyond excited!
Congratulations!
I have a question the DOE Early Career. I submitted a pre-proposal and am now moving to the full proposal stage. This is my second year submitting but 1st to this program (2 programs are related to my research but they accept different types of proposals in alternate years and this year I overlap with the other program). Last year my proposal overall reviewed decently (6, 6, 5, 4) but was not funded. I tried to discuss with that PO after but he declined saying he does not discuss with applicants until after they are funded.
Obviously I will adapt my work this year to frame it in terms of the goals of the new program. I was wondering though -- is it appropriate to reach out to the PO now, after pre-proposal but before full proposal, to discuss? Or did I need to do that prior to the pre-proposal if I wanted feedback? I do know this PO a bit as I have a collaborative proposal funded in the program, attended the PI meetings and have reviewed 5-6 things for this PO in the past few years. But I didn't know if it was possible to reach out at this stage. From last year it seemed that I wasn't far off on the overall reviews as I knew colleagues funded with that score or lower but that the PO perhaps just didn't love the idea. Hoping to try to avoid again if possible!
Anyone waiting to hear from DCSD?
Quote from: doc700 on December 18, 2020, 08:21:57 AM
I have a question the DOE Early Career. I submitted a pre-proposal and am now moving to the full proposal stage. This is my second year submitting but 1st to this program (2 programs are related to my research but they accept different types of proposals in alternate years and this year I overlap with the other program). Last year my proposal overall reviewed decently (6, 6, 5, 4) but was not funded. I tried to discuss with that PO after but he declined saying he does not discuss with applicants until after they are funded.
Obviously I will adapt my work this year to frame it in terms of the goals of the new program. I was wondering though -- is it appropriate to reach out to the PO now, after pre-proposal but before full proposal, to discuss? Or did I need to do that prior to the pre-proposal if I wanted feedback? I do know this PO a bit as I have a collaborative proposal funded in the program, attended the PI meetings and have reviewed 5-6 things for this PO in the past few years. But I didn't know if it was possible to reach out at this stage. From last year it seemed that I wasn't far off on the overall reviews as I knew colleagues funded with that score or lower but that the PO perhaps just didn't love the idea. Hoping to try to avoid again if possible!
I think you can and will probably get an answer of no. But it does no harm. Your preproposal is encouraged, which means it fits in the scope of the program. There is not much you can discuss with the PO.
btw, it was weird that the PO didn't want to discuss with you about your failed proposal.
Quote from: nidayewo on November 19, 2020, 06:51:26 AM
Hi Everyone,
I benefit a lot from the discussion in this thread regarding NSF CAREER. A few weeks ago, a PD emailed me asking for a quad chart to summary my proposal (not an abstract). Does anyone have the same request? Is this a typical procedure in the review process? It seems that little information could be found regarding this. Many thanks in advance!
Hi May I ask whether your proposal has been recommended or not?
Any news from CMMI-ECI?
I applied through ECCS. The status is still "pending" but the date changed on Friday with no contact from the PO. Bad sign?
Quote from: danielkm on December 19, 2020, 04:05:23 PM
I applied through ECCS. The status is still "pending" but the date changed on Friday with no contact from the PO. Bad sign?
If PO did not contact you earlier or immediately after the status changes, it is usually not a good sign...
Quote from: angelama on December 21, 2020, 10:19:21 AM
Quote from: danielkm on December 19, 2020, 04:05:23 PM
I applied through ECCS. The status is still "pending" but the date changed on Friday with no contact from the PO. Bad sign?
If PO did not contact you earlier or immediately after the status changes, it is usually not a good sign...
I'm going to disagree here.
My status date changed in mid-October. However, the PD didn't contact me until early November (2+ weeks later).
I don't believe there's much of a method to the madness.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 21, 2020, 11:36:50 AM
Quote from: angelama on December 21, 2020, 10:19:21 AM
Quote from: danielkm on December 19, 2020, 04:05:23 PM
I applied through ECCS. The status is still "pending" but the date changed on Friday with no contact from the PO. Bad sign?
If PO did not contact you earlier or immediately after the status changes, it is usually not a good sign...
I'm going to disagree here.
My status date changed in mid-October. However, the PD didn't contact me until early November (2+ weeks later).
I don't believe there's much of a method to the madness.
It is exactly that. Madness. This is my second attempt in three years. I got great feedback my first time and used a year to get preliminary data and get a paper out on the topic. How crummy 2020 has been I desperately need a W.
Got the contact from the PO asking for an abstract and an updated C&P, but the message also asked for a response to the panel and clarified that no funding decisions have been made. (This is in ECCS.)
Anyone know what my chances are at this point?
I think your chances are pretty good! Did your status date change by chance? I applied to ECCS as well.
Status did not change. I got the message on Friday at 4 pm EST, for what it's worth.
I do know that the chances are pretty good, I guess what I'm wondering is how good. Has anyone on here gotten the PO contact and then been declined?
I think you are good! Congratulations!
Quote from: danielkm on December 21, 2020, 12:03:32 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 21, 2020, 11:36:50 AM
Quote from: angelama on December 21, 2020, 10:19:21 AM
Quote from: danielkm on December 19, 2020, 04:05:23 PM
I applied through ECCS. The status is still "pending" but the date changed on Friday with no contact from the PO. Bad sign?
If PO did not contact you earlier or immediately after the status changes, it is usually not a good sign...
I'm going to disagree here.
My status date changed in mid-October. However, the PD didn't contact me until early November (2+ weeks later).
I don't believe there's much of a method to the madness.
It is exactly that. Madness. This is my second attempt in three years. I got great feedback my first time and used a year to get preliminary data and get a paper out on the topic. How crummy 2020 has been I desperately need a W.
Finger crossed! Good luck to your proposal!
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 21, 2020, 05:00:33 PM
Got the contact from the PO asking for an abstract and an updated C&P, but the message also asked for a response to the panel and clarified that no funding decisions have been made. (This is in ECCS.)
Anyone know what my chances are at this point?
Almost there! Based on what I learnt (from limited experiences) so far, it is almost 100%. Congratulations!
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 21, 2020, 05:00:33 PM
Got the contact from the PO asking for an abstract and an updated C&P, but the message also asked for a response to the panel and clarified that no funding decisions have been made. (This is in ECCS.)
Anyone know what my chances are at this point?
Congratulations in advance!
Congrats!
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 21, 2020, 05:00:33 PM
Got the contact from the PO asking for an abstract and an updated C&P, but the message also asked for a response to the panel and clarified that no funding decisions have been made. (This is in ECCS.)
Anyone know what my chances are at this point?
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 21, 2020, 05:16:30 PM
Status did not change. I got the message on Friday at 4 pm EST, for what it's worth.
I do know that the chances are pretty good, I guess what I'm wondering is how good. Has anyone on here gotten the PO contact and then been declined?
I have only heard of it not materializing. Hard to say what the denominator is but probably at least 30 PO contacts. so I'm guessing you are at >95% chance.
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 21, 2020, 05:16:30 PM
Status did not change. I got the message on Friday at 4 pm EST, for what it's worth.
I do know that the chances are pretty good, I guess what I'm wondering is how good. Has anyone on here gotten the PO contact and then been declined?
Someone commented last year in this thread that they heard of stories that people didn't get the award but it was said that such event is very rare.
Based on my limited experience with government funding agencies, they never reached out to you unless that their intention at the time was to fund your proposal and that it was a near 100% certainty at the time.
I take it as a tentatively good sign, but a lot of the people I see here are getting e-mails about being recommended with the abstract/C&P request, whereas mine is careful to say that no decisions have been made and that I need to respond to the panel comments/questions. I can't help but wonder if it's between me and someone else.
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 22, 2020, 03:34:49 AM
I take it as a tentatively good sign, but a lot of the people I see here are getting e-mails about being recommended with the abstract/C&P request, whereas mine is careful to say that no decisions have been made and that I need to respond to the panel comments/questions. I can't help but wonder if it's between me and someone else.
I'll clarify the seemingly inconsistent messaging to which you're referring.
The PD does not fund you. The PD makes the recommendation for funding. The Division of Grants and Agreements makes and finalizes the award after receiving the green light from the Division Director.
There are quite a few administrative pieces in the process. Therefore, PDs are careful to use language like, "your proposal reviewed well" or something to that effect. While the proposal is likely to be funded, they do not make that decision.
On the other hand, PDs don't write to everyone who submitted and ask for clarification to panel questions, updated C&P, and abstracts. What is clearly being expressed by these actions is that the proposal is most likely to be recommended for funding once all inquiries are answered.
As a practical matter, PDs and Division Directors work closely with one another. The budgets are already known, and except for some rare instances, the recommendations from the panel and PD are funded.
However, we're talking about government agencies where roles and responsibilities are clearly defined. Therefore to stop any confusion that may arise from loose language, the PD will use the phrasing that aligns with their position, but there's no reason not to look at that as a very positive sign.
I guess, but they haven't actually said it's been recommended for funding. They also said that they're doing some sort of analysis. That is pretty different verbiage from what other people are getting.
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 22, 2020, 07:39:46 AM
I guess, but they haven't actually said it's been recommended for funding. They also said that they're doing some sort of analysis. That is pretty different verbiage from what other people are getting.
Some PMs directly say that they will recommend the proposal, while some PMs only say that they are considering recommending the proposal but not guarantee. I guess you are trying to identify whether there is any chance that the PMs do not recommend after they approaching PIs. I also would like to know! Anyone has some thoughts? Is 'will recommend' equivalent to 'consider recommending'?
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 22, 2020, 03:34:49 AM
I take it as a tentatively good sign, but a lot of the people I see here are getting e-mails about being recommended with the abstract/C&P request, whereas mine is careful to say that no decisions have been made and that I need to respond to the panel comments/questions. I can't help but wonder if it's between me and someone else.
I received a very similar email with the same disclaimers, and have been trying to determine how to interpret it. I have a decent amount of experience with government funding and have never seen a disclaimer this harsh. I'm not in ECCS, so they aren't trying to pick between you and me, but I do wonder if we are both on the edge.
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 22, 2020, 07:39:46 AM
I guess, but they haven't actually said it's been recommended for funding. They also said that they're doing some sort of analysis. That is pretty different verbiage from what other people are getting.
Your proposal hasn't been recommended. If I read correctly, didn't the PD ask for additional information (e.g., responses to panelists, abstract, etc.)? Why would anyone recommend it until receiving and processing this information?
People are congratulating you because the PD reached out, which is generally a positive sign.
Until your PD tells you, "I'm recommending your proposal for funding", it is still considered pending.
Hi Everyone,
I have a quick q. Based on the NSF Events listed on their website, my guess is that my panel happened on December 17-18. I know another colleague who applied to the same program and already received positive news from the PO. Do you think it's reasonable to think I will have to wait after the holidays because the panel ended last Friday (positive or negative)?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 22, 2020, 09:05:43 AM
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 22, 2020, 07:39:46 AM
I guess, but they haven't actually said it's been recommended for funding. They also said that they're doing some sort of analysis. That is pretty different verbiage from what other people are getting.
Your proposal hasn't been recommended. If I read correctly, didn't the PD ask for additional information (e.g., responses to panelists, abstract, etc.)? Why would anyone recommend it until receiving and processing this information?
People are congratulating you because the PD reached out, which is generally a positive sign.
Until your PD tells you, "I'm recommending your proposal for funding", it is still considered pending.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Obviously they won't recommend until they get the abstract/C&P/response, the question is really whether it's close to a slam dunk (provided I give reasonable responses) or if it they sent this message to more people than they can fund.
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 22, 2020, 10:25:53 AM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 22, 2020, 09:05:43 AM
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 22, 2020, 07:39:46 AM
I guess, but they haven't actually said it's been recommended for funding. They also said that they're doing some sort of analysis. That is pretty different verbiage from what other people are getting.
Your proposal hasn't been recommended. If I read correctly, didn't the PD ask for additional information (e.g., responses to panelists, abstract, etc.)? Why would anyone recommend it until receiving and processing this information?
People are congratulating you because the PD reached out, which is generally a positive sign.
Until your PD tells you, "I'm recommending your proposal for funding", it is still considered pending.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Obviously they won't recommend until they get the abstract/C&P/response, the question is really whether it's close to a slam dunk (provided I give reasonable responses) or if it they sent this message to more people than they can fund.
You will never know the answer to that. So do your best to answer the comments and send your answers back to the PD.
Quote from: humptydumpty on December 22, 2020, 09:10:42 AM
Hi Everyone,
I have a quick q. Based on the NSF Events listed on their website, my guess is that my panel happened on December 17-18. I know another colleague who applied to the same program and already received positive news from the PO. Do you think it's reasonable to think I will have to wait after the holidays because the panel ended last Friday (positive or negative)?
I think that website doesn't have accurate information. Everything is listed as a proposal review panel. If you search on the federal register, you'd get more information about the event. For my PD, most of the panels are reviewing the status of already funded centers.
My experience with two of the NSF grants so far.
Case 1: NSF DMR (2018)
May 22nd - PM sent an email saying "recommended for funding" and asked for C&P and Abstract (status still pending no date change)
June 4th - status changed to recommended.
June 22nd - status changed to Awarded
Case 1: NSF DMR CAREER (2020)
October 28th - PM asked to clarify some issues raised by one of the referees. (no change in date or status)
December 8th - PM sent an email saying "recommended for funding" and asked for C&P and Abstract (status still pending no date change)
Until today no change in date of status.
I hope this gives you some sort of idea of the process and timeline.
Quote from: angelama on December 22, 2020, 07:46:35 AM
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 22, 2020, 07:39:46 AM
I guess, but they haven't actually said it's been recommended for funding. They also said that they're doing some sort of analysis. That is pretty different verbiage from what other people are getting.
Some PMs directly say that they will recommend the proposal, while some PMs only say that they are considering recommending the proposal but not guarantee. I guess you are trying to identify whether there is any chance that the PMs do not recommend after they approaching PIs. I also would like to know! Anyone has some thoughts? Is 'will recommend' equivalent to 'consider recommending'?
Unfortunately, my CAREER proposal was declined by ECCS but the panel did recommended it for funding with an Excellent/Very Good, Very Good, Very Good/Good, and a Good. It was much better than my first submission, which received four "Good". Good luck everyone else still waiting!
Quote from: danielkm on December 22, 2020, 11:48:16 AM
Unfortunately, my CAREER proposal was declined by ECCS but the panel did recommended it for funding with an Excellent/Very Good, Very Good, Very Good/Good, and a Good. It was much better than my first submission, which received four "Good". Good luck everyone else still waiting!
Sorry to hear that. Mind saying the program?
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 22, 2020, 12:03:27 PM
Quote from: danielkm on December 22, 2020, 11:48:16 AM
Unfortunately, my CAREER proposal was declined by ECCS but the panel did recommended it for funding with an Excellent/Very Good, Very Good, Very Good/Good, and a Good. It was much better than my first submission, which received four "Good". Good luck everyone else still waiting!
Sorry to hear that. Mind saying the program?
ECCS EPMD
Quote from: danielkm on December 22, 2020, 11:48:16 AM
Unfortunately, my CAREER proposal was declined by ECCS but the panel did recommended it for funding with an Excellent/Very Good, Very Good, Very Good/Good, and a Good. It was much better than my first submission, which received four "Good". Good luck everyone else still waiting!
Wow that really blows. With those reviews it's clear that the pool was very competitive and funding was tight. The 3rd time will be the charm!
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 22, 2020, 10:25:53 AM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 22, 2020, 09:05:43 AM
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 22, 2020, 07:39:46 AM
I guess, but they haven't actually said it's been recommended for funding. They also said that they're doing some sort of analysis. That is pretty different verbiage from what other people are getting.
Your proposal hasn't been recommended. If I read correctly, didn't the PD ask for additional information (e.g., responses to panelists, abstract, etc.)? Why would anyone recommend it until receiving and processing this information?
People are congratulating you because the PD reached out, which is generally a positive sign.
Until your PD tells you, "I'm recommending your proposal for funding", it is still considered pending.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Obviously they won't recommend until they get the abstract/C&P/response, the question is really whether it's close to a slam dunk (provided I give reasonable responses) or if it they sent this message to more people than they can fund.
Usually, it's not the latter since that would create budgetary headaches and unnecessary work for the PD for proposals they won't recommend for funding.
It's also not a slam dunk, but it's close. And being close is better than being denied outright.
To use your basketball analogy, you're at the stage where you've completed your two-step gather and jumped. When the PD tells you that they're recommending it for funding, you're in the air and about to dunk. Once you receive the award letter, then the ball is through the bottom of the net, and you've scored.
Until that award letter is received, there's still a chance, even if it's the slimmest of possibilities, that you get chased down by LeBron, and he smacks your dunk into the 3rd row. However, you're closer than you were in August when the tip-off was your submission.
I like this analogy. I may have to stick with it.
QuoteOctober 28th - PM asked to clarify some issues raised by one of the referees. (no change in date or status)
December 8th - PM sent an email saying "recommended for funding" and asked for C&P and Abstract (status still pending no date change)
I guess there's a lot of variation by program. For me they want the response, C&P, and abstract all at once. I really hope I don't have to wait 40 more days though.
ghqwertt: congratulations. Is this your first try?
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 22, 2020, 03:19:55 PM
QuoteOctober 28th - PM asked to clarify some issues raised by one of the referees. (no change in date or status)
December 8th - PM sent an email saying "recommended for funding" and asked for C&P and Abstract (status still pending no date change)
I guess there's a lot of variation by program. For me they want the response, C&P, and abstract all at once. I really hope I don't have to wait 40 more days though.
It's fairly common for your response to then trigger an additional round of questions that require responses so be prepared for that if it comes your way. You're definitely not staring at a week or two turnaround.
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 21, 2020, 05:16:30 PM
Status did not change. I got the message on Friday at 4 pm EST, for what it's worth.
I do know that the chances are pretty good, I guess what I'm wondering is how good. Has anyone on here gotten the PO contact and then been declined?
Yes! We had 2 rounds of questions and then the decline at the last stage of internal review. My colleagues had said they never heard of this, so now I spread the word that questions are not a done-deal. Until you have gone through Stage 9 with G&A.
https://www.nsf.gov/bfa/dias/policy/merit_review/ (https://www.nsf.gov/bfa/dias/policy/merit_review/)
Ooh, that must have sucked. Was that a CAREER? What were your panel scores?
I think that part of the reason I'm worried is that the panel's questions were a tad off-base, and while I answered them thoroughly (and gently corrected the misconceptions), I have no clue who is reading my answers. It's not the panel, right?
Honestly I feel worse now than I did last week. The uncertainty is killing me.
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 23, 2020, 01:58:41 PM
I think that part of the reason I'm worried is that the panel's questions were a tad off-base, and while I answered them thoroughly (and gently corrected the misconceptions), I have no clue who is reading my answers. It's not the panel, right?
Honestly I feel worse now than I did last week. The uncertainty is killing me.
The PD is reading your replies.
However, if it's a particular panelist that had the questions then your responses are being shared with that person.
I've experienced the same issue when justifying theoretical approaches for which a reviewer or two disagreed.
All you can do is do your best. I sat on my responses for about a week and a half, circulated them, and softened them before sending them over.
I contributed to my own award delay but I'd rather be delayed than declined.
Yeah, I really regret not sitting on it longer. I unnecessarily sent my response after just a few days (and was happy with it then), but now I find myself going over it and wanting to make changes.
Ugh, if I blew up months of simulation and my second CAREER attempt out of impatience...
Hi, wondering if anyone has heard from EPCN?
In a different program, but I hear that a lot of people in ENG have gotten either rejections or status date changes this week. If your status date is unchanged you're in good shape.
Does anyone have an update on the status of the proposal submitted to CHE (CAT, SYN, CAS)?
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 24, 2020, 12:46:26 PM
In a different program, but I hear that a lot of people in ENG have gotten either rejections or status date changes this week. If your status date is unchanged you're in good shape.
This is what I have seen too. My status and a bunch of other colleagues' in CMMI changed on Dec 22nd. Waiting for the Christmas rejection :-)
Quote from: happy123 on December 24, 2020, 03:20:19 PM
Does anyone have an update on the status of the proposal submitted to CHE (CAT, SYN, CAS)?
CHE has ten publicized awards for this cycle, and several are in CAS and CAT. I didn't bother searching all of them.
Has anyone heard from CMMI/HDBE?
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on December 26, 2020, 11:52:19 AM
Has anyone heard from CMMI/HDBE?
Thus far there are 17 published awards for CMMI. I don't know how to search for a specific program within the division so you'd have to go through each award to see if any are in HDBE.
Has anyone heard from EAR?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 27, 2020, 04:52:57 AM
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on December 26, 2020, 11:52:19 AM
Has anyone heard from CMMI/HDBE?
Thus far there are 17 published awards for CMMI. I don't know how to search for a specific program within the division so you'd have to go through each award to see if any are in HDBE.
Thanks. In case anyone else is following, I checked individual awards. All of them are from either ECI or AM.
As of 12.28, CMMI AM has posted ~10 awards for 2021. Historically, it is ~18 awards per year in AM. Feels like a pending rejection on my end.
Quote from: anxiety_rising on December 27, 2020, 06:45:44 PM
Has anyone heard from EAR?
Nothing public from EAR yet for this cycle.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 29, 2020, 07:50:56 AM
Quote from: anxiety_rising on December 27, 2020, 06:45:44 PM
Has anyone heard from EAR?
Nothing public from EAR yet for this cycle.
Thanks for letting me know. I checked the website as well and found it strange that no awards have been made (based on timing of awards these past few years). I wonder if all the uncertainty in government funding has caused delays in award announcements. Regardless, best of luck to all and let's hope for a better year.
Quote from: anxiety_rising on December 30, 2020, 09:48:34 AM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 29, 2020, 07:50:56 AM
Quote from: anxiety_rising on December 27, 2020, 06:45:44 PM
Has anyone heard from EAR?
Nothing public from EAR yet for this cycle.
Thanks for letting me know. I checked the website as well and found it strange that no awards have been made (based on timing of awards these past few years). I wonder if all the uncertainty in government funding has caused delays in award announcements. Regardless, best of luck to all and let's hope for a better year.
Unlike previous years the budget was passed as a stopgap and the House bill included a 3% increase for the NSF. The stopgap essentially directed agencies to operate at a level less than or equal to the FY20 budget, which the NSF received an additional 3% to bring its budget up to $8.3 billion. The FY21 budget increases the FY20 amount by another 3%. Basically the NSF can continue to operate at the FY20 budget and at worse, break even and at best have an additional 3%, which allows for continuous operation.
I don't see the budget being a hindrance for this year.
yes, budget won't be an issue
https://www.aip.org/fyi/federal-science-budget-tracker
Quote from: anxiety_rising on December 30, 2020, 09:48:34 AM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 29, 2020, 07:50:56 AM
Quote from: anxiety_rising on December 27, 2020, 06:45:44 PM
Has anyone heard from EAR?
Nothing public from EAR yet for this cycle.
Thanks for letting me know. I checked the website as well and found it strange that no awards have been made (based on timing of awards these past few years). I wonder if all the uncertainty in government funding has caused delays in award announcements. Regardless, best of luck to all and let's hope for a better year.
even if the NSF receives a 3% increase in funding, it doesn't mean a particular program would maintain the same funding level. Within a funding agency, priorities are constantly changing. New initiatives always emerge and money has to come from somewhere. I am particularly concerned with all the pushes for quantum information science and artificial intelligence. Conventional research programs might suffer as a result. We have seen that the NSF GRFP this year has put emphases on AI/ML related topics, which means students with a proposal that doesn't have a significant AI/ML component would be at disadvantages.
Quote from: soccer on December 30, 2020, 09:20:48 PM
even if the NSF receives a 3% increase in funding, it doesn't mean a particular program would maintain the same funding level. Within a funding agency, priorities are constantly changing. New initiatives always emerge and money has to come from somewhere. I am particularly concerned with all the pushes for quantum information science and artificial intelligence. Conventional research programs might suffer as a result. We have seen that the NSF GRFP this year has put emphases on AI/ML related topics, which means students with a proposal that doesn't have a significant AI/ML component would be at disadvantages.
The first part of your statement is accurate as a practical matter. It's also true that not every division has the same number of programs, and the funding of those programs varies. Also, when stopgap funding is approved, no new initiatives or major projects can begin. However, we know where the money actually goes. Each year there are charts on the NSF website which show the budget request to congress for each division and directorate in comparison to the appropriation received. It's easy to lookup the budget for CAREER proposals in CNS was $8.91M.
As a previous GRFP recipient, I was concerned about the areas of emphasis. I signed the letters asking that the priority areas be removed. Of course, the NSF did not do so and issued a statement saying other areas would not be dismissed.
As a practical matter and as a GRFP reviewer in computer science, I see that NSF did not prioritize them above any research area. In this year's orientation, the question arose about whether any application with the priority areas should receive special treatment and the PDs emphatically said no.
Of my 16 applications, I don't have a single one with any of those priority research areas. There's no box to check for my review for if the application is aligned with a priority area. Their applications are getting the same thorough review and discussion during the panel that previous high-quality applications would receive.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 31, 2020, 05:20:37 AM
Quote from: soccer on December 30, 2020, 09:20:48 PM
even if the NSF receives a 3% increase in funding, it doesn't mean a particular program would maintain the same funding level. Within a funding agency, priorities are constantly changing. New initiatives always emerge and money has to come from somewhere. I am particularly concerned with all the pushes for quantum information science and artificial intelligence. Conventional research programs might suffer as a result. We have seen that the NSF GRFP this year has put emphases on AI/ML related topics, which means students with a proposal that doesn't have a significant AI/ML component would be at disadvantages.
The first part of your statement is accurate as a practical matter. It's also true that not every division has the same number of programs, and the funding of those programs varies. Also, when stopgap funding is approved, no new initiatives or major projects can begin. However, we know where the money actually goes. Each year there are charts on the NSF website which show the budget request to congress for each division and directorate in comparison to the appropriation received. It's easy to lookup the budget for CAREER proposals in CNS was $8.91M.
As a previous GRFP recipient, I was concerned about the areas of emphasis. I signed the letters asking that the priority areas be removed. Of course, the NSF did not do so and issued a statement saying other areas would not be dismissed.
As a practical matter and as a GRFP reviewer in computer science, I see that NSF did not prioritize them above any research area. In this year's orientation, the question arose about whether any application with the priority areas should receive special treatment and the PDs emphatically said no.
Of my 16 applications, I don't have a single one with any of those priority research areas. There's no box to check for my review for if the application is aligned with a priority area. Their applications are getting the same thorough review and discussion during the panel that previous high-quality applications would receive.
I am not here to start a debate but i felt i might just inject some skepticism into your comments so that others on this forum do not take them as fact for granted.
first of all, we know the administration's budget request is garbage. congress appropriates money. this outgoing administration has consistently requested significantly less money for funding agencies than what congress eventually appropriated. so I don't think the budget request is indicative of how much money a specific program has now.
second, unless the program or project is a line-item in the budget request (for example, the construction of a major observatory), it would fall in the category of R&R. Only a line-item would be explicitly written in an appropriation act and therefore cannot be altered or adjusted by the funding agency. The agency has the discretion to adjust the amount of money between programs within a broad research direction that is spelled out in the appropriation act. CAREER money is clearly under R&R, and an nsf division has no obligation to stick to the requested number .
third, i don't think it is the standard practice for every nsf program to publish a breakdown of their budget request to the extent that funding levels of CAREER and regular grants are detailed.
regarding the GRFP, the concern in many fields is that within a field it is a lot easier for proposals that analyze experimental data to align with AI/ML priorities than proposals that design, develop, and build experimental apparatus. I'm also a GRFP panelist and our panel has not met yet. I don't know how this would work out in the end, but I have seen the applications and almost every one of them has some sort of machine learning component, which is very different from before.
Quote from: soccer on December 31, 2020, 12:09:10 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 31, 2020, 05:20:37 AM
Quote from: soccer on December 30, 2020, 09:20:48 PM
even if the NSF receives a 3% increase in funding, it doesn't mean a particular program would maintain the same funding level. Within a funding agency, priorities are constantly changing. New initiatives always emerge and money has to come from somewhere. I am particularly concerned with all the pushes for quantum information science and artificial intelligence. Conventional research programs might suffer as a result. We have seen that the NSF GRFP this year has put emphases on AI/ML related topics, which means students with a proposal that doesn't have a significant AI/ML component would be at disadvantages.
The first part of your statement is accurate as a practical matter. It's also true that not every division has the same number of programs, and the funding of those programs varies. Also, when stopgap funding is approved, no new initiatives or major projects can begin. However, we know where the money actually goes. Each year there are charts on the NSF website which show the budget request to congress for each division and directorate in comparison to the appropriation received. It's easy to lookup the budget for CAREER proposals in CNS was $8.91M.
As a previous GRFP recipient, I was concerned about the areas of emphasis. I signed the letters asking that the priority areas be removed. Of course, the NSF did not do so and issued a statement saying other areas would not be dismissed.
As a practical matter and as a GRFP reviewer in computer science, I see that NSF did not prioritize them above any research area. In this year's orientation, the question arose about whether any application with the priority areas should receive special treatment and the PDs emphatically said no.
Of my 16 applications, I don't have a single one with any of those priority research areas. There's no box to check for my review for if the application is aligned with a priority area. Their applications are getting the same thorough review and discussion during the panel that previous high-quality applications would receive.
third, i don't think it is the standard practice for every nsf program to publish a breakdown of their budget request to the extent that funding levels of CAREER and regular grants are detailed.
regarding the GRFP, the concern in many fields is that within a field it is a lot easier for proposals that analyze experimental data to align with AI/ML priorities than proposals that design, develop, and build experimental apparatus. I'm also a GRFP panelist and our panel has not met yet. I don't know how this would work out in the end, but I have seen the applications and almost every one of them has some sort of machine learning component, which is very different from before.
The administration isn't who wrote the NSF funding request. Also, only the last 2 years has the NSF received more than they requested. The previous 10 years, they received exactly or slightly less than they requested.
It has been standard practice for years for the budget to include a breakdown of anticipated spending for each area's CAREER awards. And largely, it's spent on standard and continuing awards.
Applicants do not have to mention AI/ML to be funded. It's fine to be skeptical, but some of that is uncalled for since the reality is most programs have areas of emphasis. The GRFP budget that falls under DGE and for the most part has remained steady.
There has been an infusion in the NSF's big ideas that promote and encourage research in AI/ML. I believe it was up to $50M in the FY2020 budget but that's outside of the GRFP.
No one should take what I say to be the gospel. I'm just providing insight from dealing with these things for 12 years, but I am just a single person and the experiences of others also matter.
Happy New Year and wish everyone has a fruitful 2021！
Happy New Year! Wish there's enough CAREER for everyone!!!
Happy New Year. wishing youall a blessed 2021 full of success, peace, health, and NSF abundance:-).
How long it took your status update to Awarded (PAMS) after your PM request for C&P and Abstract? MY PM request C&P and Abstract on December 8th, and I haven't heard anything since then. Status is still pending, no date change. I am starting to worry again.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on December 15, 2020, 06:34:48 AM
My CAREER has been officially recommended for funding.
I'm beyond excited!
Did you hear anything after your PM request for C&P and Abstract? MY PM request C&P and Abstract on December 8th, and I haven't heard anything since then. Status is still pending, no date change. I am starting to worry again.
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 21, 2020, 05:00:33 PM
Got the contact from the PO asking for an abstract and an updated C&P, but the message also asked for a response to the panel and clarified that no funding decisions have been made. (This is in ECCS.)
Anyone know what my chances are at this point?
QuoteDid you hear anything after your PM request for C&P and Abstract? MY PM request C&P and Abstract on December 8th, and I haven't heard anything since then. Status is still pending, no date change. I am starting to worry again.
No change and no contact.
If you already got the 'recommended for funding' message the chances that it doesn't go through are incredibly small I think, so I wouldn't worry too much.
Does anyone know a funded CAREER case where the initial contact from the PO was in January? I'm assuming this is very rare but just wanted to ask around.
Unfortunately no. If you got the status change and there's a ton of awards in your program already, it's probably bad news.
I really wish they would streamline things a bit. If it's clear you're not in the running, they should reject you right away.
Quote from: humptydumpty on January 04, 2021, 02:28:07 PM
Does anyone know a funded CAREER case where the initial contact from the PO was in January? I'm assuming this is very rare but just wanted to ask around.
I have heard of this. It depends on the subprogram.
Quote from: humptydumpty on January 04, 2021, 02:28:07 PM
Does anyone know a funded CAREER case where the initial contact from the PO was in January? I'm assuming this is very rare but just wanted to ask around.
I was contacted last week and the PD said that my CAREER award will be recommended. Everything is still unofficial. Fastlane still says "pending"; last update (due to PD change) was in August. He also mentioned that the delay had to do with some extenuating circumstances. I am in CMMI.
Congrats!
Quote from: PopeyesSandwich on January 04, 2021, 07:59:44 PM
Quote from: humptydumpty on January 04, 2021, 02:28:07 PM
Does anyone know a funded CAREER case where the initial contact from the PO was in January? I'm assuming this is very rare but just wanted to ask around.
I was contacted last week and the PD said that my CAREER award will be recommended. Everything is still unofficial. Fastlane still says "pending"; last update (due to PD change) was in August. He also mentioned that the delay had to do with some extenuating circumstances. I am in CMMI.
PopeyesSandwich; congratulations. is this your first try?
Quote from: lightofhope on January 05, 2021, 03:45:40 AM
Congrats!
Quote from: PopeyesSandwich on January 04, 2021, 07:59:44 PM
Quote from: humptydumpty on January 04, 2021, 02:28:07 PM
Does anyone know a funded CAREER case where the initial contact from the PO was in January? I'm assuming this is very rare but just wanted to ask around.
I was contacted last week and the PD said that my CAREER award will be recommended. Everything is still unofficial. Fastlane still says "pending"; last update (due to PD change) was in August. He also mentioned that the delay had to do with some extenuating circumstances. I am in CMMI.
Quote from: Vid on January 05, 2021, 07:16:19 AM
PopeyesSandwich; congratulations. is this your first try?
Thank you. It was my second try.
Anyone here still waiting for a response on the CAREER proposal? My proposal's status is still not changed since August 25; should I contact PO?
Quote from: happy123 on January 08, 2021, 07:12:39 AM
Anyone here still waiting for a response on the CAREER proposal? My proposal's status is still not changed since August 25; should I contact PO?
For which program? I am still waiting without updates since the date of submission (EAR). Last year I did not get a status update until rejection in mid-April. I can live with the rejection but I hate the waiting and the anxiety associated with it.
Quote from: anxiety_rising on January 08, 2021, 08:32:20 AM
Quote from: happy123 on January 08, 2021, 07:12:39 AM
Anyone here still waiting for a response on the CAREER proposal? My proposal's status is still not changed since August 25; should I contact PO?
For which program? I am still waiting without updates since the date of submission (EAR). Last year I did not get a status update until rejection in mid-April. I can live with the rejection but I hate the waiting and the anxiety associated with it.
I agree with you. My program is chemical synthesis (SYN)
Quote from: anxiety_rising on January 08, 2021, 08:32:20 AM
Quote from: happy123 on January 08, 2021, 07:12:39 AM
Anyone here still waiting for a response on the CAREER proposal? My proposal's status is still not changed since August 25; should I contact PO?
For which program? I am still waiting without updates since the date of submission (EAR). Last year I did not get a status update until rejection in mid-April. I can live with the rejection but I hate the waiting and the anxiety associated with it.
Very fitting nickname :D. I'm still waiting, but it's most likely bad news. I try to be mentally prepared for rejection. Today is Friday, so we will see.
CBET sent out a wave of rejections on Thursday.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 09, 2021, 08:36:02 AM
CBET sent out a wave of rejections on Thursday.
Hi Aspiring - Your comments are always very helpful. How do you get such info on mass rejections?
Quote from: happy123 on January 08, 2021, 07:12:39 AM
Anyone here still waiting for a response on the CAREER proposal? My proposal's status is still not changed since August 25; should I contact PO?
I think NSF guidelines are that reviews can take ~6 months, so I don't think it's time to reach out yet. Personally I wouldn't contact POs to ask about a proposal status unless there was a reason to do so other than curiosity - maybe something like "the resubmission deadline is coming up and I don't know whether I should be preparing to resubmit" or something. But if you do decide to reach out, I might suggest waiting even longer than 6 months this year given all the disruptions related to COVID.
Quote from: happy123 on January 09, 2021, 11:59:29 AM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 09, 2021, 08:36:02 AM
CBET sent out a wave of rejections on Thursday.
Hi Aspiring - Your comments are always very helpful. How do you get such info on mass rejections?
I didn't mean to insinuate it was a wave relative to the number of proposals submitted. I personally know people who applied the CAREER through CBET and several received rejections on Thursday.
I also did a search on Twitter to see if anyone posted with the keyword NSF CAREER and I found a few that also received rejections and one specifically called said his was in CBET.
It's just a cursory observation — nothing based in fact.
Quote from: happy123 on January 08, 2021, 07:12:39 AM
Anyone here still waiting for a response on the CAREER proposal? My proposal's status is still not changed since August 25; should I contact PO?
I don't think it would hurt. I contacted my PO the Monday before Christmas and was told the decision would be made in the first two weeks of the new year, and earlier this week, I was told it was recommended.
which program?
Quote from: soccer on January 09, 2021, 11:01:17 PM
Quote from: happy123 on January 08, 2021, 07:12:39 AM
Anyone here still waiting for a response on the CAREER proposal? My proposal's status is still not changed since August 25; should I contact PO?
I don't think it would hurt. I contacted my PO the Monday before Christmas and was told the decision would be made in the first two weeks of the new year, and earlier this week, I was told it was recommended.
Quote from: lightofhope on January 10, 2021, 03:43:03 AM
which program?
Quote from: soccer on January 09, 2021, 11:01:17 PM
Quote from: happy123 on January 08, 2021, 07:12:39 AM
Anyone here still waiting for a response on the CAREER proposal? My proposal's status is still not changed since August 25; should I contact PO?
I don't think it would hurt. I contacted my PO the Monday before Christmas and was told the decision would be made in the first two weeks of the new year, and earlier this week, I was told it was recommended.
SYN
For those in CISE (CCF), I was contacted by PO last week to respond to questions. A few days later it was recommended for award.
Ugh, just got a status date change a few weeks after sending my response/abstract to the PO. Still Pending, no additional contact.
I have a feeling I'm getting rejected.
Quote from: ghqwertt on January 11, 2021, 01:31:14 PM
Ugh, just got a status date change a few weeks after sending my response/abstract to the PO. Still Pending, no additional contact.
I have a feeling I'm getting rejected.
It should be fine. I think yours will be officially recommended soon (they are making progress). When did you send the response/abstract? I have sent my abstract for more than 1 month. It is still pending (no status change).
Around 3 weeks ago. The status date changed this afternoon, but the date they recorded is yesterday. Ominous since every rejection I've gotten has a final status date that is one day before the actual rejection.
Quote from: ghqwertt on January 11, 2021, 02:59:03 PM
Around 3 weeks ago. The status date changed this afternoon, but the date they recorded is yesterday. Ominous since every rejection I've gotten has a final status date that is one day before the actual rejection.
No worries. This is quite normal for recommending your proposal. Once abstract is submitted, it will be awarded in general.
It hasn't been recommended though, and as other people in this thread have pointed out you can still get rejected after responding to questions.
Although I guess aspiring.academic got a status change even before any contact. So I guess there can be at least one step in the recommendation process that generates a status change without additional PO contact. (Uploading the reviews? There hasn't been a status change since the initial PO assignment.) Guess I'll find out soon...
One thing's for sure: I'm not going to bed until after 10 pm for a while.
Which program did you apply to? I submitted my Abstract and C&P a little over a month ago and the status still pending.
Quote from: rusunyii on January 11, 2021, 02:43:17 PM
Quote from: ghqwertt on January 11, 2021, 01:31:14 PM
Ugh, just got a status date change a few weeks after sending my response/abstract to the PO. Still Pending, no additional contact.
I have a feeling I'm getting rejected.
It should be fine. I think yours will be officially recommended soon (they are making progress). When did you send the response/abstract? I have sent my abstract for more than 1 month. It is still pending (no status change).
ECCS. Some awards have already been made.
Quote from: ghqwertt on January 11, 2021, 03:30:54 PM
It hasn't been recommended though, and as other people in this thread have pointed out you can still get rejected after responding to questions.
Although I guess aspiring.academic got a status change even before any contact. So I guess there can be at least one step in the recommendation process that generates a status change without additional PO contact. (Uploading the reviews? There hasn't been a status change since the initial PO assignment.) Guess I'll find out soon...
One thing's for sure: I'm not going to bed until after 10 pm for a while.
From my experience (core program and CAREER), when the PM requests the abstract, he/she will send you congratulations and the informal recommendation. I think you may have received this, and you do not need to worry much.
Well it explicitly said it's not a recommendation, just that it reviewed well in the panel and they're still reviewing it. In no way was it congratulatory. I suspect it was borderline.
People who got it: did most of you notice a status date change before the official recommendation? Or did it go straight from no change to 'Recommended?'
Both. Sometimes there's a status update, and sometimes there isn't. There's no rule of thumb here.
For example, once I submitted a revised budget requesting about $80K more than the original budget. In that instance, there was a status update on the PO acknowledged receipt of the revision.
In another case, the status remained pending from the original submission in November until it was recommended the following May and updated again as awarded in July.
I'll say it again at the risk of sounding like a broken record.
The PO makes the recommendation. That person will congratulate you, but the congratulations is not a confirmation of an award. Even once the status changes to recommended, that is not a confirmation of an award.
An NSF award is not final until notice is received by the DGA.
Put it this way - there are 3 phases to the NSF proposal and award process. This not not apply for any proposal that is being internally reviewed (e.g., EAGER).
PHASE I - PROPOSAL PREPARATION AND SUBMISSION
- Opportunity Announced (Solicitation)
- Proposal Submitted
- Proposal Received
PHASE II - PROPOSAL REVIEW AND PROCESSING (~6 months)
- Reviewers Selected
- Peer Review
- Panel (maybe ad-hoc)
- Program Officer Recommendation (this is the email where the PO may congratulate you and says they're recommending the proposal for funding)
- Division Director Review (if there isn't a division director this step falls to the deputy director). If the decision is made to decline the award, the organization is notified and review information is available in the FastLane or Research.gov System. If the decision is to award, the recommendation is submitted to a Grants & Agreements Officer in the Division of Grants and Agreements (DGA).
PHASE III - AWARD PROCESSING (~30 - 60 days)
- Business Review. The Grants and Agreements Officer in the Division of Grants and Agreements (DGA) conducts a review of business, financial, and policy implications. Generally, DGA makes awards within 60 days after the program office makes its recommendation. Additional processing time may be required if: the organization has not received prior funding: if the award is a cooperative agreement; or it involves special situations (such as coordination with another Federal agency or a private funding source).
- Award Finalized. The award itself is comprised of an award notice, budget, proposal, applicable NSF conditions, and any other documents or requirements incorporated by reference into the agreement. Each NSF award notice specifically identifies certain conditions that are applicable to, and become part of, that award.
I get it—PO recommendation isn't confirmed. I'd still rather have it than be in a gray zone where maybe they'll recommend it, maybe they won't.
Honestly, they should change Research.gov to do away with status updates that don't change status. Dragging it out like this is torture.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 12, 2021, 06:13:05 AM
Both. Sometimes there's a status update, and sometimes there isn't. There's no rule of thumb here.
For example, once I submitted a revised budget requesting about $80K more than the original budget. In that instance, there was a status update on the PO acknowledged receipt of the revision.
In another case, the status remained pending from the original submission in November until it was recommended the following May and updated again as awarded in July.
I totally agree with this. Status update can happen after requesting the abstract.
I have another question. The PM usually says that "all the project reports should be up to date", otherwise the award might be delayed. Does this update-to-date refer to "not overdue" or "not due"? Would another project report due but not overdue (since it is due for 90 days) delay the processing of a new award? Thanks.
I know you get it. I was just restating for some others who may have missed it.
While PO recommendation isn't 100%, it's very close to it.
I can't think of a case where their Division Director has overruled the PO. The PO has the data, backed by the reviews and the panel summary, which justify the recommendation. And usually, the PO and Division Directors work closely.
It's that wretched Business Review step. It's a bit vague. Still, while it's not unheard of, it is uncommon for a decline to come after the recommendation.
We want no ambiguity, and so if there's any way it's declined after the recommendation, we sit on pins and needles checking the status every day.
I'm not even talking about that. I just mean the status date changes that make it clear they did something behind the scenes but don't provide any additional information. It wouldn't be that hard to modify their system to keep a lid on those.
And honestly, the few days between the review release and the official rejection are kind of ridiculous (especially during grad student recruitment season).
Welcome to the federal government bureaucracy.
I won't even begin to act like I understand or agree with everything that happens.
I will say that there's a method to the madness even if it's not transparent.
Quote from: ghqwertt on January 12, 2021, 08:59:19 AM
I'm not even talking about that. I just mean the status date changes that make it clear they did something behind the scenes but don't provide any additional information. It wouldn't be that hard to modify their system to keep a lid on those.
And honestly, the few days between the review release and the official rejection are kind of ridiculous (especially during grad student recruitment season).
You should stop refreshing research.gov and speculating about what date changes mean for your situation. Entering data into that system is a required data entry step for POs. It tells you absolutely nothing. Imagine a student comes to you and says: "Dr. X released my grade in Blackboard for class EE 402, but Dr. Y hasn't released my friend's grade for EE 407, should I read into that?" You would say no! Dr. X and Dr. Y don't coordinate entering and releasing their grades. Neither do POs. Even in the same program.
Now, maybe Dr. Y released someone else's grade in EE 407, but not this student's grade. Do you, as a professor, sometimes release grades for some students, while holding back others for some reason? Yes. POs do this too, and for many reasons.
Expecting the federal government to reprogram the back end of research.gov to alleviate Assistant Professor anxiety or help us decide if we admit a grad student is ridiculous. It's even more ridiculous than when students expect "University Z to reprogram Blackboard to keep a lid on grades" or "University to make Dr. Y to grade faster because I HAVE to know my GPA for this semester *right now* so I can apply for an internship."
Your PO is working on it and will give you information when it's ready. Refreshing this thread, with all of us sharing our info, is far more valuable than refreshing research.gov and speculating about date changes.
2nd round of questions, including budget revisions and IRB Determination letter all submitted last week.
Fingers crossed!!
2nd time proposing; EHR
Quote from: bluefooted on January 12, 2021, 07:41:57 PM
2nd round of questions, including budget revisions and IRB Determination letter all submitted last week.
Fingers crossed!!
2nd time proposing; EHR
Excellent!
Keep it going!
Are the processing times at NSF unusually slow right now ? I have a submitted proposal sitting to be sent out for review for 3 months now...should I do something or sit tight ?
you won't get any meaningful feedback from the PD since it's just 3 months.
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 13, 2021, 08:22:51 AM
Are the processing times at NSF unusually slow right now ? I have a submitted proposal sitting to be sent out for review for 3 months now...should I do something or sit tight ?
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 13, 2021, 08:22:51 AM
Are the processing times at NSF unusually slow right now ? I have a submitted proposal sitting to be sent out for review for 3 months now...should I do something or sit tight ?
In a normal year, the standard timeline is 6 months from receipt to Division Director concurrence. At best, 4 months from submission deadline to any contact from PO. Sit tight.
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 13, 2021, 08:22:51 AM
Are the processing times at NSF unusually slow right now ? I have a submitted proposal sitting to be sent out for review for 3 months now...should I do something or sit tight ?
I have one I submitted in early November. I'm just going to sit tight. Maybe I'll hear something by May. There's no better way to pass the time than to write the next one.
Quote from: EngineeringProfessor on January 13, 2021, 08:56:55 AM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 13, 2021, 08:22:51 AM
Are the processing times at NSF unusually slow right now ? I have a submitted proposal sitting to be sent out for review for 3 months now...should I do something or sit tight ?
In a normal year, the standard timeline is 6 months from receipt to Division Director concurrence. At best, 4 months from submission deadline to any contact from PO. Sit tight.
Yes I know the 6 month timeframe for the whole process, but it hasn't even been sent out for review yet...thats the part which seems unusual ?
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 13, 2021, 10:00:37 AM
Quote from: EngineeringProfessor on January 13, 2021, 08:56:55 AM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 13, 2021, 08:22:51 AM
Are the processing times at NSF unusually slow right now ? I have a submitted proposal sitting to be sent out for review for 3 months now...should I do something or sit tight ?
In a normal year, the standard timeline is 6 months from receipt to Division Director concurrence. At best, 4 months from submission deadline to any contact from PO. Sit tight.
Yes I know the 6 month timeframe for the whole process, but it hasn't even been sent out for review yet...thats the part which seems unusual ?
How do you know that your proposal hasn't been sent out for a review? I could not figure that out for my proposal.
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on January 13, 2021, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 13, 2021, 10:00:37 AM
Quote from: EngineeringProfessor on January 13, 2021, 08:56:55 AM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 13, 2021, 08:22:51 AM
Are the processing times at NSF unusually slow right now ? I have a submitted proposal sitting to be sent out for review for 3 months now...should I do something or sit tight ?
In a normal year, the standard timeline is 6 months from receipt to Division Director concurrence. At best, 4 months from submission deadline to any contact from PO. Sit tight.
Yes I know the 6 month timeframe for the whole process, but it hasn't even been sent out for review yet...thats the part which seems unusual ?
How do you know that your proposal hasn't been sent out for a review? I could not figure that out for my proposal.
research.gov status.
Quote from: research_prof on January 13, 2021, 01:32:50 PM
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on January 13, 2021, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 13, 2021, 10:00:37 AM
Quote from: EngineeringProfessor on January 13, 2021, 08:56:55 AM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 13, 2021, 08:22:51 AM
Are the processing times at NSF unusually slow right now ? I have a submitted proposal sitting to be sent out for review for 3 months now...should I do something or sit tight ?
In a normal year, the standard timeline is 6 months from receipt to Division Director concurrence. At best, 4 months from submission deadline to any contact from PO. Sit tight.
Yes I know the 6 month timeframe for the whole process, but it hasn't even been sent out for review yet...thats the part which seems unusual ?
How do you know that your proposal hasn't been sent out for a review? I could not figure that out for my proposal.
research.gov status.
How did you get that from research.gov? My proposals are submitted via Fastlane - when I check the status via research.gov, I can only see the pending/recommended/awarded/declined status. I did not find a location to check whether it is out for review.
Thanks.
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on January 13, 2021, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 13, 2021, 10:00:37 AM
Quote from: EngineeringProfessor on January 13, 2021, 08:56:55 AM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 13, 2021, 08:22:51 AM
Are the processing times at NSF unusually slow right now ? I have a submitted proposal sitting to be sent out for review for 3 months now...should I do something or sit tight ?
In a normal year, the standard timeline is 6 months from receipt to Division Director concurrence. At best, 4 months from submission deadline to any contact from PO. Sit tight.
Yes I know the 6 month timeframe for the whole process, but it hasn't even been sent out for review yet...thats the part which seems unusual ?
How do you know that your proposal hasn't been sent out for a review? I could not figure that out for my proposal.
I submitted via research.gov. I can see the status is "submitted, not yet sent out to review".
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 13, 2021, 02:48:33 PM
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on January 13, 2021, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 13, 2021, 10:00:37 AM
Quote from: EngineeringProfessor on January 13, 2021, 08:56:55 AM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 13, 2021, 08:22:51 AM
Are the processing times at NSF unusually slow right now ? I have a submitted proposal sitting to be sent out for review for 3 months now...should I do something or sit tight ?
In a normal year, the standard timeline is 6 months from receipt to Division Director concurrence. At best, 4 months from submission deadline to any contact from PO. Sit tight.
Yes I know the 6 month timeframe for the whole process, but it hasn't even been sent out for review yet...thats the part which seems unusual ?
How do you know that your proposal hasn't been sent out for a review? I could not figure that out for my proposal.
I submitted via research.gov. I can see the status is "submitted, not yet sent out to review".
So, that means it has not been sent to reviewers yet. I am honestly not sure what is going on with NSF these days...
Quote from: research_prof on January 13, 2021, 03:08:46 PM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 13, 2021, 02:48:33 PM
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on January 13, 2021, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 13, 2021, 10:00:37 AM
Quote from: EngineeringProfessor on January 13, 2021, 08:56:55 AM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 13, 2021, 08:22:51 AM
Are the processing times at NSF unusually slow right now ? I have a submitted proposal sitting to be sent out for review for 3 months now...should I do something or sit tight ?
In a normal year, the standard timeline is 6 months from receipt to Division Director concurrence. At best, 4 months from submission deadline to any contact from PO. Sit tight.
Yes I know the 6 month timeframe for the whole process, but it hasn't even been sent out for review yet...thats the part which seems unusual ?
How do you know that your proposal hasn't been sent out for a review? I could not figure that out for my proposal.
I submitted via research.gov. I can see the status is "submitted, not yet sent out to review".
So, that means it has not been sent to reviewers yet. I am honestly not sure what is going on with NSF these days...
I don't think you will know when your proposal was sent out for review. It is different from submitting a paper for publication. I submitted my proposal on August 5. The status changed on August 26, and still, it remains the same.
Quote from: happy123 on January 13, 2021, 03:43:19 PM
Quote from: research_prof on January 13, 2021, 03:08:46 PM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 13, 2021, 02:48:33 PM
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on January 13, 2021, 01:15:09 PM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 13, 2021, 10:00:37 AM
Quote from: EngineeringProfessor on January 13, 2021, 08:56:55 AM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 13, 2021, 08:22:51 AM
Are the processing times at NSF unusually slow right now ? I have a submitted proposal sitting to be sent out for review for 3 months now...should I do something or sit tight ?
In a normal year, the standard timeline is 6 months from receipt to Division Director concurrence. At best, 4 months from submission deadline to any contact from PO. Sit tight.
Yes I know the 6 month timeframe for the whole process, but it hasn't even been sent out for review yet...thats the part which seems unusual ?
How do you know that your proposal hasn't been sent out for a review? I could not figure that out for my proposal.
I submitted via research.gov. I can see the status is "submitted, not yet sent out to review".
So, that means it has not been sent to reviewers yet. I am honestly not sure what is going on with NSF these days...
I don't think you will know when your proposal was sent out for review. It is different from submitting a paper for publication. I submitted my proposal on August 5. The status changed on August 26, and still, it remains the same.
You do. When it is sent out to reviewers, research.gov says so. It says something like: "due date passed or assigned for review".
This is interesting. It appears that research.gov shows a different set of status updates if one submits the proposal through it or through Fastlane. I submitted via Fastlane, so research.gov has been showing me only status updates like first Pending and then Declined/Awarded. This waiting game is tough. But I have enough time to wait. Last time I waited until June to find a declined status. It's too early for me to know something.
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on January 14, 2021, 12:32:52 PM
This is interesting. It appears that research.gov shows a different set of status updates if one submits the proposal through it or through Fastlane. I submitted via Fastlane, so research.gov has been showing me only status updates like first Pending and then Declined/Awarded. This waiting game is tough. But I have enough time to wait. Last time I waited until June to find a declined status. It's too early for me to know something.
Right: if you submit through research.gov, you can track the status of your proposal. A PD had told me that fast lane had such a function too, but it has been retired since the time fast lane started redirecting you to research.gov when you try to track your proposal's status.
Congrats to all those who are winning CAREER this year.
An unrelated question. I see many posts stating that if you see status update with a new date in January (assuming there was a review in December) and have not yet been contacted by the PO, then it is pretty sure that you have a rejection coming. Is this true for most NSf grants not just CAREER. Any experience to the contrary?
I don't recall what happened with my last NSF grant. After all the anxiety, this one small detail is easily forgotten till you are waiting the next time.
Quote from: PI on January 14, 2021, 01:42:50 PM
Congrats to all those who are winning CAREER this year.
An unrelated question. I see many posts stating that if you see status update with a new date in January (assuming there was a review in December) and have not yet been contacted by the PO, then it is pretty sure that you have a rejection coming. Is this true for most NSf grants not just CAREER. Any experience to the contrary?
I don't recall what happened with my last NSF grant. After all the anxiety, this one small detail is easily forgotten till you are waiting the next time.
In my experience, this has been true for all of my declined NSF awards, including CAREER.
Quote from: PI on January 14, 2021, 01:42:50 PM
Congrats to all those who are winning CAREER this year.
An unrelated question. I see many posts stating that if you see status update with a new date in January (assuming there was a review in December) and have not yet been contacted by the PO, then it is pretty sure that you have a rejection coming. Is this true for most NSf grants not just CAREER. Any experience to the contrary?
I don't recall what happened with my last NSF grant. After all the anxiety, this one small detail is easily forgotten till you are waiting the next time.
Here (not CAREER but another program). But it is really uncommon.
Quote from: PI on January 14, 2021, 01:42:50 PM
Congrats to all those who are winning CAREER this year.
An unrelated question. I see many posts stating that if you see status update with a new date in January (assuming there was a review in December) and have not yet been contacted by the PO, then it is pretty sure that you have a rejection coming. Is this true for most NSf grants not just CAREER. Any experience to the contrary?
I don't recall what happened with my last NSF grant. After all the anxiety, this one small detail is easily forgotten till you are waiting the next time.
Not necessarily.
I had a date change and wasn't contacted for 2-3 weeks.
Aspiring.academic, shall we assume you got positive news after those 2-3 weeks? This is good to know for everyone who panics upon seeing a date change. Was the review at least a month before the date change you saw?
Quote from: PI on January 14, 2021, 04:04:54 PM
Aspiring.academic, shall we assume you got positive news after those 2-3 weeks? This is good to know for everyone who panics upon seeing a date change. Was the review at least a month before the date change you saw?
I do not think so. I had date changes for two other programs and I was contacted about the rejection a month after the first date change and 2 months after the second change.
Quote from: PI on January 14, 2021, 04:04:54 PM
Aspiring.academic, shall we assume you got positive news after those 2-3 weeks? This is good to know for everyone who panics upon seeing a date change. Was the review at least a month before the date change you saw?
Correct. The status date change for one proposal was mid October and I was contacted in early November with positive news.
There's no hard rule on date changes so don't read too much into it. They don't always mean that a rejection is imminent.
Until you've been declined you're still in the running.
These is good information. For regular NSF grants, is it true that you would get a rejection notification at least several weeks before the next submission deadline (to allow you to submit in that cycle)? This is what the PO told me - meaning they would let all the declines know soon as possible to allow submitting again. We are 2- 3 weeks from the next deadline now. Status update was seen this week. But no rejection or email from the PO.
Quote from: PI on January 15, 2021, 06:40:14 AM
These is good information. For regular NSF grants, is it true that you would get a rejection notification at least several weeks before the next submission deadline (to allow you to submit in that cycle)? This is what the PO told me - meaning they would let all the declines know soon as possible to allow submitting again. We are 2- 3 weeks from the next deadline now. Status update was seen this week. But no rejection or email from the PO.
The same happened with my CAREER proposal last year. It was a month before the next cycle's deadline before I got my rejection.
Since it had been 11 months, I assumed a decline and started preparing for the next cycle. In my case, it turned out that was the right approach to take.
If you're facing a similar situation, I'd operate on the assumption of rejection and prepare for your next submission. In most cases, even without the panel summary and reviews, you have some thoughts about improving your proposal, so I would begin working on those.
It's also possible that a decline coming so close to the next submission deadline means that you were on the cusp of funding, so there may not be significant reversions to implement.
Status date changed today... considering the timing (Friday:) & close to 6-month after submission), almost surely a rejection is on the way (tonight 10pm Eastern Time?)
Third time applicant here. I kind of expected this: i wasn't able to put in good efforts in the summer to improve the proposal from last time... Will get in touch with the PO to see if the proposed idea is worthy of resubmitting as a standard proposal.
Good luck to everyone here on their proposals (CAREER & non-CAREER). Appreciate everyone's inputs in this thread and many other threads in the fora.
Mine is in CISE. We have a similar timeline. Hope it will be recommended soon.
Quote from: ocean2428 on January 11, 2021, 03:54:38 PM
Which program did you apply to? I submitted my Abstract and C&P a little over a month ago and the status still pending.
Quote from: rusunyii on January 11, 2021, 02:43:17 PM
Quote from: ghqwertt on January 11, 2021, 01:31:14 PM
Ugh, just got a status date change a few weeks after sending my response/abstract to the PO. Still Pending, no additional contact.
I have a feeling I'm getting rejected.
It should be fine. I think yours will be officially recommended soon (they are making progress). When did you send the response/abstract? I have sent my abstract for more than 1 month. It is still pending (no status change).
Quote from: mlpkop on January 15, 2021, 02:55:55 PM
Status date changed today... considering the timing (Friday:) & close to 6-month after submission), almost surely a rejection is on the way (tonight 10pm Eastern Time?)
Third time applicant here. I kind of expected this: i wasn't able to put in good efforts in the summer to improve the proposal from last time... Will get in touch with the PO to see if the proposed idea is worthy of resubmitting as a standard proposal.
Good luck to everyone here on their proposals (CAREER & non-CAREER). Appreciate everyone's inputs in this thread and many other threads in the fora.
I'm sorry to hear that. Hopefully you didn't receive anything Friday night and you are still in the running.
I'm sort of in the same boat. This is my third attempt, and last summer I only spent minimal time revising my old proposal because of a lot of things in my life. Given the competitiveness I don't have high hopes.
Quote from: BoMiu on January 15, 2021, 08:50:29 PM
Quote from: mlpkop on January 15, 2021, 02:55:55 PM
Status date changed today... considering the timing (Friday:) & close to 6-month after submission), almost surely a rejection is on the way (tonight 10pm Eastern Time?)
Third time applicant here. I kind of expected this: i wasn't able to put in good efforts in the summer to improve the proposal from last time... Will get in touch with the PO to see if the proposed idea is worthy of resubmitting as a standard proposal.
Good luck to everyone here on their proposals (CAREER & non-CAREER). Appreciate everyone's inputs in this thread and many other threads in the fora.
I'm sorry to hear that. Hopefully you didn't receive anything Friday night and you are still in the running.
I'm sort of in the same boat. This is my third attempt, and last summer I only spent minimal time revising my old proposal because of a lot of things in my life. Given the competitiveness I don't have high hopes.
Thanks for the words. Good luck to your proposal!
Luckily no email tonight and hopefully none over the long weekend before the school starts...
Has your CAREER been proposal recommended? I was also contacted by the PM in Dec for C&P and Abstract, and there is no news since then. The proposal status is still pending with no date change.
Quote from: ocean2428 on December 22, 2020, 11:09:59 AM
My experience with two of the NSF grants so far.
Case 1: NSF DMR (2018)
May 22nd - PM sent an email saying "recommended for funding" and asked for C&P and Abstract (status still pending no date change)
June 4th - status changed to recommended.
June 22nd - status changed to Awarded
Case 1: NSF DMR CAREER (2020)
October 28th - PM asked to clarify some issues raised by one of the referees. (no change in date or status)
December 8th - PM sent an email saying "recommended for funding" and asked for C&P and Abstract (status still pending no date change)
Until today no change in date of status.
I hope this gives you some sort of idea of the process and timeline.
Quote from: angelama on December 22, 2020, 07:46:35 AM
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 22, 2020, 07:39:46 AM
I guess, but they haven't actually said it's been recommended for funding. They also said that they're doing some sort of analysis. That is pretty different verbiage from what other people are getting.
Some PMs directly say that they will recommend the proposal, while some PMs only say that they are considering recommending the proposal but not guarantee. I guess you are trying to identify whether there is any chance that the PMs do not recommend after they approaching PIs. I also would like to know! Anyone has some thoughts? Is 'will recommend' equivalent to 'consider recommending'?
No news since PM asked for Abstract and C&P. PM's email says that recommend for funding but nothing has changed in Research.gov. Still has the original submission date and status pending.
Quote from: angelama on January 16, 2021, 06:25:27 AM
Has your CAREER been proposal recommended? I was also contacted by the PM in Dec for C&P and Abstract, and there is no news since then. The proposal status is still pending with no date change.
Quote from: ocean2428 on December 22, 2020, 11:09:59 AM
My experience with two of the NSF grants so far.
Case 1: NSF DMR (2018)
May 22nd - PM sent an email saying "recommended for funding" and asked for C&P and Abstract (status still pending no date change)
June 4th - status changed to recommended.
June 22nd - status changed to Awarded
Case 1: NSF DMR CAREER (2020)
October 28th - PM asked to clarify some issues raised by one of the referees. (no change in date or status)
December 8th - PM sent an email saying "recommended for funding" and asked for C&P and Abstract (status still pending no date change)
Until today no change in date of status.
I hope this gives you some sort of idea of the process and timeline.
Quote from: angelama on December 22, 2020, 07:46:35 AM
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 22, 2020, 07:39:46 AM
I guess, but they haven't actually said it's been recommended for funding. They also said that they're doing some sort of analysis. That is pretty different verbiage from what other people are getting.
Some PMs directly say that they will recommend the proposal, while some PMs only say that they are considering recommending the proposal but not guarantee. I guess you are trying to identify whether there is any chance that the PMs do not recommend after they approaching PIs. I also would like to know! Anyone has some thoughts? Is 'will recommend' equivalent to 'consider recommending'?
Thanks - same here. Not sure what is happening. My previous proposals never took so long.
Quote from: ocean2428 on January 16, 2021, 06:55:58 AM
No news since PM asked for Abstract and C&P. PM's email says that recommend for funding but nothing has changed in Research.gov. Still has the original submission date and status pending.
Quote from: angelama on January 16, 2021, 06:25:27 AM
Has your CAREER been proposal recommended? I was also contacted by the PM in Dec for C&P and Abstract, and there is no news since then. The proposal status is still pending with no date change.
Quote from: ocean2428 on December 22, 2020, 11:09:59 AM
My experience with two of the NSF grants so far.
Case 1: NSF DMR (2018)
May 22nd - PM sent an email saying "recommended for funding" and asked for C&P and Abstract (status still pending no date change)
June 4th - status changed to recommended.
June 22nd - status changed to Awarded
Case 1: NSF DMR CAREER (2020)
October 28th - PM asked to clarify some issues raised by one of the referees. (no change in date or status)
December 8th - PM sent an email saying "recommended for funding" and asked for C&P and Abstract (status still pending no date change)
Until today no change in date of status.
I hope this gives you some sort of idea of the process and timeline.
Quote from: angelama on December 22, 2020, 07:46:35 AM
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 22, 2020, 07:39:46 AM
I guess, but they haven't actually said it's been recommended for funding. They also said that they're doing some sort of analysis. That is pretty different verbiage from what other people are getting.
Some PMs directly say that they will recommend the proposal, while some PMs only say that they are considering recommending the proposal but not guarantee. I guess you are trying to identify whether there is any chance that the PMs do not recommend after they approaching PIs. I also would like to know! Anyone has some thoughts? Is 'will recommend' equivalent to 'consider recommending'?
I think this is normal. One of my previous proposals took 3 months from abstract submission to recommend, and then a couple of days from recommend to award.
Quote from: angelama on January 16, 2021, 06:59:44 AM
Thanks - same here. Not sure what is happening. My previous proposals never took so long.
Quote from: ocean2428 on January 16, 2021, 06:55:58 AM
No news since PM asked for Abstract and C&P. PM's email says that recommend for funding but nothing has changed in Research.gov. Still has the original submission date and status pending.
Quote from: angelama on January 16, 2021, 06:25:27 AM
Has your CAREER been proposal recommended? I was also contacted by the PM in Dec for C&P and Abstract, and there is no news since then. The proposal status is still pending with no date change.
Quote from: ocean2428 on December 22, 2020, 11:09:59 AM
My experience with two of the NSF grants so far.
Case 1: NSF DMR (2018)
May 22nd - PM sent an email saying "recommended for funding" and asked for C&P and Abstract (status still pending no date change)
June 4th - status changed to recommended.
June 22nd - status changed to Awarded
Case 1: NSF DMR CAREER (2020)
October 28th - PM asked to clarify some issues raised by one of the referees. (no change in date or status)
December 8th - PM sent an email saying "recommended for funding" and asked for C&P and Abstract (status still pending no date change)
Until today no change in date of status.
I hope this gives you some sort of idea of the process and timeline.
Quote from: angelama on December 22, 2020, 07:46:35 AM
Quote from: ghqwertt on December 22, 2020, 07:39:46 AM
I guess, but they haven't actually said it's been recommended for funding. They also said that they're doing some sort of analysis. That is pretty different verbiage from what other people are getting.
Some PMs directly say that they will recommend the proposal, while some PMs only say that they are considering recommending the proposal but not guarantee. I guess you are trying to identify whether there is any chance that the PMs do not recommend after they approaching PIs. I also would like to know! Anyone has some thoughts? Is 'will recommend' equivalent to 'consider recommending'?
which program in CISE?
Quote from: rusunyii on January 15, 2021, 04:56:44 PM
Mine is in CISE. We have a similar timeline. Hope it will be recommended soon.
Quote from: ocean2428 on January 11, 2021, 03:54:38 PM
Which program did you apply to? I submitted my Abstract and C&P a little over a month ago and the status still pending.
Quote from: rusunyii on January 11, 2021, 02:43:17 PM
Quote from: ghqwertt on January 11, 2021, 01:31:14 PM
Ugh, just got a status date change a few weeks after sending my response/abstract to the PO. Still Pending, no additional contact.
I have a feeling I'm getting rejected.
It should be fine. I think yours will be officially recommended soon (they are making progress). When did you send the response/abstract? I have sent my abstract for more than 1 month. It is still pending (no status change).
NeTS. I remember you are in IIS. Do you have any update?
Quote from: lightofhope on January 16, 2021, 08:00:30 AM
which program in CISE?
Quote from: rusunyii on January 15, 2021, 04:56:44 PM
Mine is in CISE. We have a similar timeline. Hope it will be recommended soon.
Quote from: ocean2428 on January 11, 2021, 03:54:38 PM
Which program did you apply to? I submitted my Abstract and C&P a little over a month ago and the status still pending.
Quote from: rusunyii on January 11, 2021, 02:43:17 PM
Quote from: ghqwertt on January 11, 2021, 01:31:14 PM
Ugh, just got a status date change a few weeks after sending my response/abstract to the PO. Still Pending, no additional contact.
I have a feeling I'm getting rejected.
It should be fine. I think yours will be officially recommended soon (they are making progress). When did you send the response/abstract? I have sent my abstract for more than 1 month. It is still pending (no status change).
no news.
Quote from: rusunyii on January 16, 2021, 08:52:57 AM
NeTS. I remember you are in IIS. Do you have any update?
Quote from: lightofhope on January 16, 2021, 08:00:30 AM
which program in CISE?
Quote from: rusunyii on January 15, 2021, 04:56:44 PM
Mine is in CISE. We have a similar timeline. Hope it will be recommended soon.
Quote from: ocean2428 on January 11, 2021, 03:54:38 PM
Which program did you apply to? I submitted my Abstract and C&P a little over a month ago and the status still pending.
Quote from: rusunyii on January 11, 2021, 02:43:17 PM
Quote from: ghqwertt on January 11, 2021, 01:31:14 PM
Ugh, just got a status date change a few weeks after sending my response/abstract to the PO. Still Pending, no additional contact.
I have a feeling I'm getting rejected.
It should be fine. I think yours will be officially recommended soon (they are making progress). When did you send the response/abstract? I have sent my abstract for more than 1 month. It is still pending (no status change).
Best of Luck!
Quote from: lightofhope on January 16, 2021, 11:49:28 AM
no news.
Quote from: rusunyii on January 16, 2021, 08:52:57 AM
NeTS. I remember you are in IIS. Do you have any update?
Quote from: lightofhope on January 16, 2021, 08:00:30 AM
which program in CISE?
Quote from: rusunyii on January 15, 2021, 04:56:44 PM
Mine is in CISE. We have a similar timeline. Hope it will be recommended soon.
Quote from: ocean2428 on January 11, 2021, 03:54:38 PM
Which program did you apply to? I submitted my Abstract and C&P a little over a month ago and the status still pending.
Quote from: rusunyii on January 11, 2021, 02:43:17 PM
Quote from: ghqwertt on January 11, 2021, 01:31:14 PM
Ugh, just got a status date change a few weeks after sending my response/abstract to the PO. Still Pending, no additional contact.
I have a feeling I'm getting rejected.
It should be fine. I think yours will be officially recommended soon (they are making progress). When did you send the response/abstract? I have sent my abstract for more than 1 month. It is still pending (no status change).
Status updated to recommended after being pending since mid December.
I finally saw my reviews and ratings...they were nothing to write home about but I had 1 very enthusiastic reviewer that saved my bacon.
My proposal wasn't in the "highly competitive" grouping either.
Big congratulations! I remember you were saying last year that your proposal officially recommended. I thought you mean the status changed to recommended. How did you get to know that it was officially recommended?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 18, 2021, 09:43:13 PM
Status updated to recommended after being pending since mid December.
I finally saw my reviews and ratings...they were nothing to write home about but I had 1 very enthusiastic reviewer that saved my bacon.
My proposal wasn't in the "highly competitive" grouping either.
I should've been clearer.
When I said it was "officially" recommended. I meant the PD told me it was recommended. That was mid-December. In hindsight, I should've said "unofficially."
Nothing happened in Research.gov until today when the status changed to "recommended" and the panel summary with reviews became available.
Hopefully that clears it up.
Quote from: ocean2428 on January 18, 2021, 09:48:47 PM
Big congratulations! I remember you were saying last year that your proposal officially recommended. I thought you mean the status changed to recommended. How did you get to know that it was officially recommended?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 18, 2021, 09:43:13 PM
Status updated to recommended after being pending since mid December.
I finally saw my reviews and ratings...they were nothing to write home about but I had 1 very enthusiastic reviewer that saved my bacon.
My proposal wasn't in the "highly competitive" grouping either.
Yes, thank you. Congratulations again!
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 18, 2021, 09:55:30 PM
I should've been clearer.
When I said it was "officially" recommended. I meant the PD told me it was recommended. That was mid-December. In hindsight, I should've said "unofficially."
Nothing happened in Research.gov until today when the status changed to "recommended" and the panel summary with reviews became available.
Hopefully that clears it up.
Quote from: ocean2428 on January 18, 2021, 09:48:47 PM
Big congratulations! I remember you were saying last year that your proposal officially recommended. I thought you mean the status changed to recommended. How did you get to know that it was officially recommended?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 18, 2021, 09:43:13 PM
Status updated to recommended after being pending since mid December.
I finally saw my reviews and ratings...they were nothing to write home about but I had 1 very enthusiastic reviewer that saved my bacon.
My proposal wasn't in the "highly competitive" grouping either.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 18, 2021, 09:43:13 PM
Status updated to recommended after being pending since mid December.
I finally saw my reviews and ratings...they were nothing to write home about but I had 1 very enthusiastic reviewer that saved my bacon.
My proposal wasn't in the "highly competitive" grouping either.
Congratulations! Who cares about the ratings? All that matters is that they give us the grant :D.
Quote from: BoMiu on January 19, 2021, 12:48:03 AM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 18, 2021, 09:43:13 PM
Status updated to recommended after being pending since mid December.
I finally saw my reviews and ratings...they were nothing to write home about but I had 1 very enthusiastic reviewer that saved my bacon.
My proposal wasn't in the "highly competitive" grouping either.
Congratulations! Who cares about the ratings? All that matters is that they give us the grant :D.
True! Thank you.
Congrats!
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 18, 2021, 09:43:13 PM
Status updated to recommended after being pending since mid December.
I finally saw my reviews and ratings...they were nothing to write home about but I had 1 very enthusiastic reviewer that saved my bacon.
My proposal wasn't in the "highly competitive" grouping either.
Congratulations! I also thought you got the status changed to Recommended in mid-Dec, and PO recommended your proposal in early Nov. You will get the award pretty soon.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 18, 2021, 09:55:30 PM
I should've been clearer.
When I said it was "officially" recommended. I meant the PD told me it was recommended. That was mid-December. In hindsight, I should've said "unofficially."
Nothing happened in Research.gov until today when the status changed to "recommended" and the panel summary with reviews became available.
Hopefully that clears it up.
Quote from: ocean2428 on January 18, 2021, 09:48:47 PM
Big congratulations! I remember you were saying last year that your proposal officially recommended. I thought you mean the status changed to recommended. How did you get to know that it was officially recommended?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 18, 2021, 09:43:13 PM
Status updated to recommended after being pending since mid December.
I finally saw my reviews and ratings...they were nothing to write home about but I had 1 very enthusiastic reviewer that saved my bacon.
My proposal wasn't in the "highly competitive" grouping either.
Early Nov - Requested Abstract, IRB, and respond to reviewers
Mid Nov - Additional round of questions
Early Dec - Additional IRB info and budget increase
Mid Dec - "Unofficially" recommended
Mid Jan - "Officially" recommended
??? - Awarded? Maybe.
Quote from: rusunyii on January 19, 2021, 08:03:23 AM
Congratulations! I also thought you got the status changed to Recommended in mid-Dec, and PO recommended your proposal in early Nov. You will get the award pretty soon.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 18, 2021, 09:55:30 PM
I should've been clearer.
When I said it was "officially" recommended. I meant the PD told me it was recommended. That was mid-December. In hindsight, I should've said "unofficially."
Nothing happened in Research.gov until today when the status changed to "recommended" and the panel summary with reviews became available.
Hopefully that clears it up.
Quote from: ocean2428 on January 18, 2021, 09:48:47 PM
Big congratulations! I remember you were saying last year that your proposal officially recommended. I thought you mean the status changed to recommended. How did you get to know that it was officially recommended?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 18, 2021, 09:43:13 PM
Status updated to recommended after being pending since mid December.
I finally saw my reviews and ratings...they were nothing to write home about but I had 1 very enthusiastic reviewer that saved my bacon.
My proposal wasn't in the "highly competitive" grouping either.
@aspiring.academic Congratulations!!
Congratulations. well done. Can I ask about your rating? I got three VG-G (multiple ratings) and declined:(. it was my first try, though.
congratulations to aspiring.academic.
Here we are about 2 weeks from the deadline for a regular NSF grant. But no word on decline or recommendation. Status date changed for the first time last week.
Wondering if contacting PO to ask when to expect something would be a bad idea or not.
Declined minutes ago. Secondary consideration with VG, VG, G, G. While I was expecting this, it still hurts, especially because the negative reviews seem extremely lazy (short reviews with clearly no understanding of what's proposed). Oh well.... Good luck everyone!
Last year, mine was E, E/V, V, P, declined.
Hope my second submission this year lead to better outcome.
Quote from: Vid on January 19, 2021, 04:57:08 PM
Congratulations. well done. Can I ask about your rating? I got three VG-G (multiple ratings) and declined:(. it was my first try, though.
Last Year Decline: E/VG/VG/F, Panel Recommendation: None Given
Recommended: E/VG/G/G/G, Panel Recommendation: Competitive
Congratulations!
According to our cases, I think a balanced review is necessary for a recommended proposal.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 20, 2021, 07:48:14 AM
Last Year Decline: E/VG/VG/F, Panel Recommendation: None Given
Recommended: E/VG/G/G/G, Panel Recommendation: Competitive
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 20, 2021, 07:48:14 AM
Last Year Decline: E/VG/VG/F, Panel Recommendation: None Given
Recommended: E/VG/G/G/G, Panel Recommendation: Competitive
Many congratulations aspiring. academic. Your comments are always helpful as well as insightful.
Today, I received an email from my PO to submit an updated current and pending support document and confirm no overlap between my CAREER proposal and another pending proposal. However, on FastLane, the status didn't change since August. Any comment will be much appreciated.
Quote from: happy123 on January 20, 2021, 12:11:11 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 20, 2021, 07:48:14 AM
Last Year Decline: E/VG/VG/F, Panel Recommendation: None Given
Recommended: E/VG/G/G/G, Panel Recommendation: Competitive
Many congratulations aspiring. academic. Your comments are always helpful as well as insightful.
Today, I received an email from my PO to submit an updated current and pending support document and confirm no overlap between my CAREER proposal and another pending proposal. However, on FastLane, the status didn't change since August. Any comment will be much appreciated.
I assume that's positive news!
Quote from: humptydumpty on January 19, 2021, 05:52:34 PM
Declined minutes ago. Secondary consideration with VG, VG, G, G. While I was expecting this, it still hurts, especially because the negative reviews seem extremely lazy (short reviews with clearly no understanding of what's proposed). Oh well.... Good luck everyone!
I'm sorry to hear that. Good luck with your future grants (CAREER or not). I've had my share of lazy reviews, but it's down to us to impress them. Luck plays a big role, so applying many times will help.
Quote from: happy123 on January 20, 2021, 12:11:11 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 20, 2021, 07:48:14 AM
Last Year Decline: E/VG/VG/F, Panel Recommendation: None Given
Recommended: E/VG/G/G/G, Panel Recommendation: Competitive
Many congratulations aspiring. academic. Your comments are always helpful as well as insightful.
Today, I received an email from my PO to submit an updated current and pending support document and confirm no overlap between my CAREER proposal and another pending proposal. However, on FastLane, the status didn't change since August. Any comment will be much appreciated.
Thank you! And that's good news and good progress!
Don't worry about the lack of status updates. Just provide the requested information and maybe sneak in a question at the end asking when you can anticipate an update.
I also got an official Recommended status after all my hand-wringing, so that's kind of a relief.
Quote from: ghqwertt on January 21, 2021, 03:23:40 PM
I also got an official Recommended status after all my hand-wringing, so that's kind of a relief.
Congratulations!!!!! Any further contact from the PO to help you understand whether something tipped the scales in your favor, or if they were just being more careful in their language?
NOA hit the inbox today.
Now to actually do the work.
How long it took to change the status to recommend after you submit the abstract?
Quote from: ghqwertt on January 21, 2021, 03:23:40 PM
I also got an official Recommended status after all my hand-wringing, so that's kind of a relief.
For me, it took around 3 weeks.
I asked around and it looks like my program generally always uses that verbiage.
Quote from: ocean2428 on January 21, 2021, 11:28:54 PM
How long it took to change the status to recommend after you submit the abstract?
Quote from: ghqwertt on January 21, 2021, 03:23:40 PM
I also got an official Recommended status after all my hand-wringing, so that's kind of a relief.
Mine is still pending with no date change. More than one month since I sent the CP and abstract. Finger Crossed!
The same here. It has been 6 weeks. But I think it should be OK. The longest time I ever had from sending abstract to status "recommended" was 2.5 months.
Quote from: angelama on January 22, 2021, 06:32:48 AM
Quote from: ocean2428 on January 21, 2021, 11:28:54 PM
How long it took to change the status to recommend after you submit the abstract?
Quote from: ghqwertt on January 21, 2021, 03:23:40 PM
I also got an official Recommended status after all my hand-wringing, so that's kind of a relief.
Mine is still pending with no date change. More than one month since I sent the CP and abstract. Finger Crossed!
Congrats to all the CAREER recipients and good luck to all others still waiting to hear news. I really appreciate all the comments in this threat as I have learned a lot related to the process. For now, I am still waiting for news (EAR). As of today, there has been only one award announced which is very strange but I did hear from a friend that EAR finally got their budget early this year so that might delay the process. One thing that is striking is how dissimilar the processes are between programs. For example, EAR never requests for a "reply to questions from reviewers". At least I have never been asked that on my previous two successful proposals. On all my unsuccessful submissions, we usually just see a date change and then a few weeks later the 9 pm CT email shows up. Regardless, best of luck to all and fingers crossed for those still waiting.
Thanks for the information. It is my third time application, also EAR. I am getting increasingly anxious as I know someone has been notified that their application was recommended (the same subgroup). Last time, my ratings were E, E, VG, VG, VG, VG/G, G, and G, and the panel review was competitive. The project is like a baby and my student and I have input a lot of efforts. It is interdisciplinary and it is different from what I did. I feel that constitutes one of the reasons for the previous panelists to be conserved about it. I am still hopeful and at the same time preparing myself for another rejection so that I will not feel crushed when it actually comes.
Quote from: anxiety_rising on January 22, 2021, 08:51:04 AM
Congrats to all the CAREER recipients and good luck to all others still waiting to hear news. I really appreciate all the comments in this threat as I have learned a lot related to the process. For now, I am still waiting for news (EAR). As of today, there has been only one award announced which is very strange but I did hear from a friend that EAR finally got their budget early this year so that might delay the process. One thing that is striking is how dissimilar the processes are between programs. For example, EAR never requests for a "reply to questions from reviewers". At least I have never been asked that on my previous two successful proposals. On all my unsuccessful submissions, we usually just see a date change and then a few weeks later the 9 pm CT email shows up. Regardless, best of luck to all and fingers crossed for those still waiting.
Quote from: rusunyii on January 22, 2021, 07:02:14 AM
The same here. It has been 6 weeks. But I think it should be OK. The longest time I ever had from sending abstract to status "recommended" was 2.5 months.
Quote from: angelama on January 22, 2021, 06:32:48 AM
Quote from: ocean2428 on January 21, 2021, 11:28:54 PM
How long it took to change the status to recommend after you submit the abstract?
Quote from: ghqwertt on January 21, 2021, 03:23:40 PM
I also got an official Recommended status after all my hand-wringing, so that's kind of a relief.
Thanks for the information. I hope so!
Mine is still pending with no date change. More than one month since I sent the CP and abstract. Finger Crossed!
Just received my declination at 9:02 CST. I had thought I was safe, at least until next Friday, since I didn't receive anything yesterday. While I was prepared, reading the reviews made me sad since I was close. For the second time I was put in the "Recommended for Funding if Possible" category. But this is my last chance, so I will never get it.
sorry to hear that, BoMiu. It's a matter of luck sometimes. I would put the CAREER proposal into a regular submission.
Good Luck,
I am really sorry to hear this. Was it recommended for funding by PM? I have heard may successful stories about close career proposals getting funded by the regular program.
Quote from: BoMiu on January 23, 2021, 07:44:23 PM
Just received my declination at 9:02 CST. I had thought I was safe, at least until next Friday, since I didn't receive anything yesterday. While I was prepared, reading the reviews made me sad since I was close. For the second time I was put in the "Recommended for Funding if Possible" category. But this is my last chance, so I will never get it.
Quote from: Vid on January 23, 2021, 07:53:21 PM
sorry to hear that, BoMiu. It's a matter of luck sometimes. I would put the CAREER proposal into a regular submission.
Good Luck,
Thanks. I'm also waiting on a regular NSF proposal, so hopefully I will have better luck.
Quote from: ocean2428 on January 24, 2021, 09:57:32 AM
I am really sorry to hear this. Was it recommended for funding by PM? I have heard may successful stories about close career proposals getting funded by the regular program.
Quote from: BoMiu on January 23, 2021, 07:44:23 PM
Just received my declination at 9:02 CST. I had thought I was safe, at least until next Friday, since I didn't receive anything yesterday. While I was prepared, reading the reviews made me sad since I was close. For the second time I was put in the "Recommended for Funding if Possible" category. But this is my last chance, so I will never get it.
In my field proposals are put into "highly recommended for funding", "recommended for funding if possible" and "not recommended for funding" categories. Only proposals in the first category, and a few in the second category are recommended for funding by PD. They say they fund between 15%-20% of the proposals, so it's extremely competitive.
Quote from: BoMiu on January 24, 2021, 03:39:09 PM
Quote from: ocean2428 on January 24, 2021, 09:57:32 AM
I am really sorry to hear this. Was it recommended for funding by PM? I have heard may successful stories about close career proposals getting funded by the regular program.
Quote from: BoMiu on January 23, 2021, 07:44:23 PM
Just received my declination at 9:02 CST. I had thought I was safe, at least until next Friday, since I didn't receive anything yesterday. While I was prepared, reading the reviews made me sad since I was close. For the second time I was put in the "Recommended for Funding if Possible" category. But this is my last chance, so I will never get it.
In my field proposals are put into "highly recommended for funding", "recommended for funding if possible" and "not recommended for funding" categories. Only proposals in the first category, and a few in the second category are recommended for funding by PD. They say they fund between 15%-20% of the proposals, so it's extremely competitive.
To answer the question, BoMiu was never contacted by the PD and told the proposal was recommended. BoMiu was operating under the assumption that no news, and no updates, is good news. And it was up until the moment it wasn't.
BoMiu's panel recommendations are accurate in the sense that they go into four categories, "highly competitive," "competitive," "low competitive" - this is where BoMiu fell, which is fund if budget allows, and "not competitive." There can also be an NDP, but you wouldn't want to be there.
Thank you aspiring.academic!
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 24, 2021, 04:50:12 PM
Quote from: BoMiu on January 24, 2021, 03:39:09 PM
Quote from: ocean2428 on January 24, 2021, 09:57:32 AM
I am really sorry to hear this. Was it recommended for funding by PM? I have heard may successful stories about close career proposals getting funded by the regular program.
Quote from: BoMiu on January 23, 2021, 07:44:23 PM
Just received my declination at 9:02 CST. I had thought I was safe, at least until next Friday, since I didn't receive anything yesterday. While I was prepared, reading the reviews made me sad since I was close. For the second time I was put in the "Recommended for Funding if Possible" category. But this is my last chance, so I will never get it.
In my field proposals are put into "highly recommended for funding", "recommended for funding if possible" and "not recommended for funding" categories. Only proposals in the first category, and a few in the second category are recommended for funding by PD. They say they fund between 15%-20% of the proposals, so it's extremely competitive.
To answer the question, BoMiu was never contacted by the PD and told the proposal was recommended. BoMiu was operating under the assumption that no news, and no updates, is good news. And it was up until the moment it wasn't.
BoMiu's panel recommendations are accurate in the sense that they go into four categories, "highly competitive," "competitive," "low competitive" - this is where BoMiu fell, which is fund if budget allows, and "not competitive." There can also be an NDP, but you wouldn't want to be there.
Has anybody received any reply, negative or positive, from CCF/SHF? The status date has changed twice for me (i know that it is not a good sign) but the status is still pending.
Quote from: Battou on January 26, 2021, 07:20:05 PM
Has anybody received any reply, negative or positive, from CCF/SHF? The status date has changed twice for me (i know that it is not a good sign) but the status is still pending.
17 awards in CCF. Several in SHF.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 26, 2021, 08:58:14 PM
Quote from: Battou on January 26, 2021, 07:20:05 PM
Has anybody received any reply, negative or positive, from CCF/SHF? The status date has changed twice for me (i know that it is not a good sign) but the status is still pending.
17 awards in CCF. Several in SHF.
Thank you very much for the information! I guess, I will start working on the next proposal submission :)
Quote from: Battou on January 26, 2021, 07:20:05 PM
Has anybody received any reply, negative or positive, from CCF/SHF? The status date has changed twice for me (i know that it is not a good sign) but the status is still pending.
I am in a similar situation (CCF/ CIF). My status date changed on 01/06, but the status is still pending. Since 14 awards are already posted under CIF, the chance of getting it now is pretty slim. Not sure if anyone has received negative news from CCF. Battou, when did your status dates change? Hope they will give us some information soon.
Quote from: waterfall on January 27, 2021, 07:57:47 AM
Quote from: Battou on January 26, 2021, 07:20:05 PM
Has anybody received any reply, negative or positive, from CCF/SHF? The status date has changed twice for me (i know that it is not a good sign) but the status is still pending.
I am in a similar situation (CCF/ CIF). My status date changed on 01/06, but the status is still pending. Since 14 awards are already posted under CIF, the chance of getting it now is pretty slim. Not sure if anyone has received negative news from CCF. Battou, when did your status dates change? Hope they will give us some information soon.
The first change in status date happened in 01/18 and the second three days later.
Congrats to all those who have already received the good news.
I got a "Low Competitive" reject last week.
Does anyone know how the typical CAREER panel actually runs? I got only ~1 weakness in all my four reviews (G) which was explicitly addressed, and I am wondering if anyone even read the entire thing?
It will be a bummer if a proposal that takes several months of effort is summarily dismissed by just reading the summary.
I can feel your pain. I had similar experience during the last cycle. My case was more extreme: E, E/V, VG, P.
Still waiting for the decision of DMR. Literally, I refresh research.gov at least twice a day.
Quote from: notmyrea on January 28, 2021, 06:02:57 AM
Does anyone know how the typical CAREER panel actually runs? I got only ~1 weakness in all my four reviews (G) which was explicitly addressed, and I am wondering if anyone even read the entire thing?
It will be a bummer if a proposal that takes several months of effort is summarily dismissed by just reading the summary.
It's a lot of work to serve on a panel. Being tossed 20-30 proposals, being asked to rank them, summarize their strengths and weaknesses, and then advocate for those on the fringe is rough. The panelists wrote about a weakness collectively, which is indicative of it either dominating the panel or, in their opinion, the explanation being insufficient.
From the three CAREER workshops at the NSF that I attended, it was nearly universal advice that if you know something in the proposal may be perceived as a deficiency or oversight, address it upfront, early, and often. Sticking it on page 7 of a 15-page proposal doesn't help the case.
Also, get some additional feedback from the PD. Writing panel summaries is a painstaking task for them, and many agonize over every declination.
Quote from: dionysus816 on January 28, 2021, 08:40:43 AM
I can feel your pain. I had similar experience during the last cycle. My case was more extreme: E, E/V, VG, P.
Still waiting for the decision of DMR. Literally, I refresh research.gov at least twice a day.
Those are rookie numbers, need to pump them up to like every 2 hours or so.
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 28, 2021, 09:44:21 AM
Quote from: dionysus816 on January 28, 2021, 08:40:43 AM
I can feel your pain. I had similar experience during the last cycle. My case was more extreme: E, E/V, VG, P.
Still waiting for the decision of DMR. Literally, I refresh research.gov at least twice a day.
Those are rookie numbers, need to pump them up to like every 2 hours or so.
I was probably doing the same things until a new and recent experience with a particular PO. He actually emailed me in the Fall to let me know that my proposal was going to be rejected. The date in Fastlane did not change until early January, three months after the decision had already been made. So, in my opinion, refreshing research.gov every day or so is a waste of time.
I am about to submit the tenure package this year. That's where the anxiety comes from.
Quote from: anxiety_rising on January 28, 2021, 09:57:24 AM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 28, 2021, 09:44:21 AM
Quote from: dionysus816 on January 28, 2021, 08:40:43 AM
I can feel your pain. I had similar experience during the last cycle. My case was more extreme: E, E/V, VG, P.
Still waiting for the decision of DMR. Literally, I refresh research.gov at least twice a day.
Those are rookie numbers, need to pump them up to like every 2 hours or so.
I was probably doing the same things until a new and recent experience with a particular PO. He actually emailed me in the Fall to let me know that my proposal was going to be rejected. The date in Fastlane did not change until early January, three months after the decision had already been made. So, in my opinion, refreshing research.gov every day or so is a waste of time.
Quote from: dionysus816 on January 28, 2021, 10:33:01 AM
I am about to submit the tenure package this year. That's where the anxiety comes from.
Quote from: anxiety_rising on January 28, 2021, 09:57:24 AM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 28, 2021, 09:44:21 AM
Quote from: dionysus816 on January 28, 2021, 08:40:43 AM
I can feel your pain. I had similar experience during the last cycle. My case was more extreme: E, E/V, VG, P.
Still waiting for the decision of DMR. Literally, I refresh research.gov at least twice a day.
Those are rookie numbers, need to pump them up to like every 2 hours or so.
I was probably doing the same things until a new and recent experience with a particular PO. He actually emailed me in the Fall to let me know that my proposal was going to be rejected. The date in Fastlane did not change until early January, three months after the decision had already been made. So, in my opinion, refreshing research.gov every day or so is a waste of time.
You'll get tenure!
Quote from: anxiety_rising on January 28, 2021, 09:57:24 AM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 28, 2021, 09:44:21 AM
Quote from: dionysus816 on January 28, 2021, 08:40:43 AM
I can feel your pain. I had similar experience during the last cycle. My case was more extreme: E, E/V, VG, P.
Still waiting for the decision of DMR. Literally, I refresh research.gov at least twice a day.
Those are rookie numbers, need to pump them up to like every 2 hours or so.
I was probably doing the same things until a new and recent experience with a particular PO. He actually emailed me in the Fall to let me know that my proposal was going to be rejected. The date in Fastlane did not change until early January, three months after the decision had already been made. So, in my opinion, refreshing research.gov every day or so is a waste of time.
I agree that refreshing research.gov is a waste of time. I wish NSF has a policy about how to handle the declined proposals. In 3 months you could have done many things with your proposal, including revising it for the next round.
This is slowing science and hurting productivity of a significant portion (>85%) of NSF's customers. I am assuming that roughly 15% of proposals get funded.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 28, 2021, 11:58:17 AM
Quote from: dionysus816 on January 28, 2021, 10:33:01 AM
I am about to submit the tenure package this year. That's where the anxiety comes from.
Quote from: anxiety_rising on January 28, 2021, 09:57:24 AM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 28, 2021, 09:44:21 AM
Quote from: dionysus816 on January 28, 2021, 08:40:43 AM
I can feel your pain. I had similar experience during the last cycle. My case was more extreme: E, E/V, VG, P.
Still waiting for the decision of DMR. Literally, I refresh research.gov at least twice a day.
Those are rookie numbers, need to pump them up to like every 2 hours or so.
I was probably doing the same things until a new and recent experience with a particular PO. He actually emailed me in the Fall to let me know that my proposal was going to be rejected. The date in Fastlane did not change until early January, three months after the decision had already been made. So, in my opinion, refreshing research.gov every day or so is a waste of time.
You'll get tenure!
Hi Aspiring. Academic: After submitting the revised budget, my PO told me that the program had recommended my proposal for funding. I also submitted the public award abstract upon the request from PO. However, the status on FastLane is still showing "pending" from the date of submission. My question is: how much is the chance I will get the award, and how long will it take to get the final decision? Many thanks for always being very helpful to all of us.
Quote from: happy123 on January 28, 2021, 02:19:00 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 28, 2021, 11:58:17 AM
Quote from: dionysus816 on January 28, 2021, 10:33:01 AM
I am about to submit the tenure package this year. That's where the anxiety comes from.
Quote from: anxiety_rising on January 28, 2021, 09:57:24 AM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 28, 2021, 09:44:21 AM
Quote from: dionysus816 on January 28, 2021, 08:40:43 AM
I can feel your pain. I had similar experience during the last cycle. My case was more extreme: E, E/V, VG, P.
Still waiting for the decision of DMR. Literally, I refresh research.gov at least twice a day.
Those are rookie numbers, need to pump them up to like every 2 hours or so.
I was probably doing the same things until a new and recent experience with a particular PO. He actually emailed me in the Fall to let me know that my proposal was going to be rejected. The date in Fastlane did not change until early January, three months after the decision had already been made. So, in my opinion, refreshing research.gov every day or so is a waste of time.
You'll get tenure!
Hi Aspiring. Academic: After submitting the revised budget, my PO told me that the program had recommended my proposal for funding. I also submitted the public award abstract upon the request from PO. However, the status on FastLane is still showing "pending" from the date of submission. My question is: how much is the chance I will get the award, and how long will it take to get the final decision? Many thanks for always being very helpful to all of us.
Very good chance but nothing is official until you get the NOA. The process can take a little as a month to get all the approvals and go through the business review. The status will eventually update to Recommended. I'll just tell you to remain patient.
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on January 28, 2021, 12:42:09 PM
Quote from: anxiety_rising on January 28, 2021, 09:57:24 AM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 28, 2021, 09:44:21 AM
Quote from: dionysus816 on January 28, 2021, 08:40:43 AM
I can feel your pain. I had similar experience during the last cycle. My case was more extreme: E, E/V, VG, P.
Still waiting for the decision of DMR. Literally, I refresh research.gov at least twice a day.
Those are rookie numbers, need to pump them up to like every 2 hours or so.
I was probably doing the same things until a new and recent experience with a particular PO. He actually emailed me in the Fall to let me know that my proposal was going to be rejected. The date in Fastlane did not change until early January, three months after the decision had already been made. So, in my opinion, refreshing research.gov every day or so is a waste of time.
I agree that refreshing research.gov is a waste of time. I wish NSF has a policy about how to handle the declined proposals. In 3 months you could have done many things with your proposal, including revising it for the next round.
This is slowing science and hurting productivity of a significant portion (>85%) of NSF's customers. I am assuming that roughly 15% of proposals get funded.
Sorry to hear about your disappointment with Research.gov. Just imagine how terrible it was before that system with FastLane, which provided even less visibility, and senior academics seem to have gotten by. It's a sign of the information era. The NSF does have a policy for handling declined proposals. At the end of the day, it's a government agency.
The funding rates are greater than 15%. FY2019 - 2020, the success rates were BIO: 36%, CISE: 25%, EHR: 23%, ENG: 26%, GEO: 42%, MPS: 30%, O/D: 25%, and SBE: 25%.
In most cases, except for MPS, the success rates increased from the previous year, and MPS remained a steady 30%. If you'd like the breakdown by a particular division, I can give you that too.
On average, across all divisions and programs, the average decision time is 5.78 months. The NSF advises six months, and while we would all like to know as soon as a decision is made, on average, they are consistent.
Congrats to all academics who were funded this cycle (results are still coming)! May your projects be fruitful and lead to success.
For many, a decline may put a sour taste in your mouth. You may be frustrated by the reviews, upset by the length of time, infuriated with the lack of updates, and disappointed with the process. Don't give up! All too often, I've seen researchers with good work be discouraged by the process and not resubmit. Please revise and resubmit.
The NSF is mostly a civilian driven organization. PDs turnover all the time. What one did not like is not a death sentence for your topic.
For those who are out of opportunities for the CAREER — so what! Too many departments have falsely placed an arbitrary barrier to tenure on the CAREER. Yes, it would've been nice but more people without the CAREER have gone on to have successful careers than those who received it. Do not let the CAREER be the barometer for your career's success. Take that proposal, revise it and submit it to another NSF program or another agency.
It's OK to be disappointed, but don't quit.
Hopefully yes!
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 28, 2021, 11:58:17 AM
Quote from: dionysus816 on January 28, 2021, 10:33:01 AM
I am about to submit the tenure package this year. That's where the anxiety comes from.
Quote from: anxiety_rising on January 28, 2021, 09:57:24 AM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 28, 2021, 09:44:21 AM
Quote from: dionysus816 on January 28, 2021, 08:40:43 AM
I can feel your pain. I had similar experience during the last cycle. My case was more extreme: E, E/V, VG, P.
Still waiting for the decision of DMR. Literally, I refresh research.gov at least twice a day.
Those are rookie numbers, need to pump them up to like every 2 hours or so.
I was probably doing the same things until a new and recent experience with a particular PO. He actually emailed me in the Fall to let me know that my proposal was going to be rejected. The date in Fastlane did not change until early January, three months after the decision had already been made. So, in my opinion, refreshing research.gov every day or so is a waste of time.
You'll get tenure!
Thanks much for the positive comment.
Yep, quit is not an option.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 28, 2021, 03:55:57 PM
Congrats to all academics who were funded this cycle (results are still coming)! May your projects be fruitful and lead to success.
For many, a decline may put a sour taste in your mouth. You may be frustrated by the reviews, upset by the length of time, infuriated with the lack of updates, and disappointed with the process. Don't give up! All too often, I've seen researchers with good work be discouraged by the process and not resubmit. Please revise and resubmit.
The NSF is mostly a civilian driven organization. PDs turnover all the time. What one did not like is not a death sentence for your topic.
For those who are out of opportunities for the CAREER — so what! Too many departments have falsely placed an arbitrary barrier to tenure on the CAREER. Yes, it would've been nice but more people without the CAREER have gone on to have successful careers than those who received it. Do not let the CAREER be the barometer for your career's success. Take that proposal, revise it and submit it to another NSF program or another agency.
It's OK to be disappointed, but don't quit.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 28, 2021, 03:23:24 PM
Quote from: happy123 on January 28, 2021, 02:19:00 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 28, 2021, 11:58:17 AM
Quote from: dionysus816 on January 28, 2021, 10:33:01 AM
I am about to submit the tenure package this year. That's where the anxiety comes from.
Quote from: anxiety_rising on January 28, 2021, 09:57:24 AM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 28, 2021, 09:44:21 AM
Quote from: dionysus816 on January 28, 2021, 08:40:43 AM
I can feel your pain. I had similar experience during the last cycle. My case was more extreme: E, E/V, VG, P.
Still waiting for the decision of DMR. Literally, I refresh research.gov at least twice a day.
Those are rookie numbers, need to pump them up to like every 2 hours or so.
I was probably doing the same things until a new and recent experience with a particular PO. He actually emailed me in the Fall to let me know that my proposal was going to be rejected. The date in Fastlane did not change until early January, three months after the decision had already been made. So, in my opinion, refreshing research.gov every day or so is a waste of time.
You'll get tenure!
Hi Aspiring. Academic: After submitting the revised budget, my PO told me that the program had recommended my proposal for funding. I also submitted the public award abstract upon the request from PO. However, the status on FastLane is still showing "pending" from the date of submission. My question is: how much is the chance I will get the award, and how long will it take to get the final decision? Many thanks for always being very helpful to all of us.
Very good chance but nothing is official until you get the NOA. The process can take a little as a month to get all the approvals and go through the business review. The status will eventually update to Recommended. I'll just tell you to remain patient.
Many thanks. Someone told me the chances are 50:50. Is it right?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 28, 2021, 03:40:14 PM
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on January 28, 2021, 12:42:09 PM
Quote from: anxiety_rising on January 28, 2021, 09:57:24 AM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 28, 2021, 09:44:21 AM
Quote from: dionysus816 on January 28, 2021, 08:40:43 AM
I can feel your pain. I had similar experience during the last cycle. My case was more extreme: E, E/V, VG, P.
Still waiting for the decision of DMR. Literally, I refresh research.gov at least twice a day.
Those are rookie numbers, need to pump them up to like every 2 hours or so.
I was probably doing the same things until a new and recent experience with a particular PO. He actually emailed me in the Fall to let me know that my proposal was going to be rejected. The date in Fastlane did not change until early January, three months after the decision had already been made. So, in my opinion, refreshing research.gov every day or so is a waste of time.
I agree that refreshing research.gov is a waste of time. I wish NSF has a policy about how to handle the declined proposals. In 3 months you could have done many things with your proposal, including revising it for the next round.
This is slowing science and hurting productivity of a significant portion (>85%) of NSF's customers. I am assuming that roughly 15% of proposals get funded.
Sorry to hear about your disappointment with Research.gov. Just imagine how terrible it was before that system with FastLane, which provided even less visibility, and senior academics seem to have gotten by. It's a sign of the information era. The NSF does have a policy for handling declined proposals. At the end of the day, it's a government agency.
The funding rates are greater than 15%. FY2019 - 2020, the success rates were BIO: 36%, CISE: 25%, EHR: 23%, ENG: 26%, GEO: 42%, MPS: 30%, O/D: 25%, and SBE: 25%.
In most cases, except for MPS, the success rates increased from the previous year, and MPS remained a steady 30%. If you'd like the breakdown by a particular division, I can give you that too.
On average, across all divisions and programs, the average decision time is 5.78 months. The NSF advises six months, and while we would all like to know as soon as a decision is made, on average, they are consistent.
where did you find these funding rates? I have attended several NSF webinars and NSF POs were continuously saying that NSF does not publish CAREER funding rates because that's the policy.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 28, 2021, 09:34:27 AM
Quote from: notmyrea on January 28, 2021, 06:02:57 AM
Does anyone know how the typical CAREER panel actually runs? I got only ~1 weakness in all my four reviews (G) which was explicitly addressed, and I am wondering if anyone even read the entire thing?
It will be a bummer if a proposal that takes several months of effort is summarily dismissed by just reading the summary.
It's a lot of work to serve on a panel. Being tossed 20-30 proposals, being asked to rank them, summarize their strengths and weaknesses, and then advocate for those on the fringe is rough. The panelists wrote about a weakness collectively, which is indicative of it either dominating the panel or, in their opinion, the explanation being insufficient.
From the three CAREER workshops at the NSF that I attended, it was nearly universal advice that if you know something in the proposal may be perceived as a deficiency or oversight, address it upfront, early, and often. Sticking it on page 7 of a 15-page proposal doesn't help the case.
Also, get some additional feedback from the PD. Writing panel summaries is a painstaking task for them, and many agonize over every declination.
Thanks for the good advice and comments.
Perhaps writing good reviews is time consuming, but I dont see how skimming a proposal and writing 5 sentences about it can be perceived as such. I have observed that this "PI blaming" is universal and pervasive. I am assuming most CAREER applications are well thought out, carefully written, and describe something that the PIs have spent years studying. To see these efforts rejected because "reviewers are busy", cannot be good for science. Perhaps I am spoilt by the fact that even regular papers in my field get thousands of words of detailed and actionable peer-review.
If grants are a lottery because of the low funding rates, atleast make them an explicitly random to avoid all this bureaucratic overwork and let everyone focus on the science?
If you have submitted the abstract and the PO has congratulated you on an unofficial recommendation, then your chance is at least 95%+. The waiting can be as short as 1 month and as long as 3-4 months.
Quote from: happy123 on January 28, 2021, 06:09:35 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 28, 2021, 03:23:24 PM
Quote from: happy123 on January 28, 2021, 02:19:00 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 28, 2021, 11:58:17 AM
Quote from: dionysus816 on January 28, 2021, 10:33:01 AM
I am about to submit the tenure package this year. That's where the anxiety comes from.
Quote from: anxiety_rising on January 28, 2021, 09:57:24 AM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 28, 2021, 09:44:21 AM
Quote from: dionysus816 on January 28, 2021, 08:40:43 AM
I can feel your pain. I had similar experience during the last cycle. My case was more extreme: E, E/V, VG, P.
Still waiting for the decision of DMR. Literally, I refresh research.gov at least twice a day.
Those are rookie numbers, need to pump them up to like every 2 hours or so.
I was probably doing the same things until a new and recent experience with a particular PO. He actually emailed me in the Fall to let me know that my proposal was going to be rejected. The date in Fastlane did not change until early January, three months after the decision had already been made. So, in my opinion, refreshing research.gov every day or so is a waste of time.
You'll get tenure!
Hi Aspiring. Academic: After submitting the revised budget, my PO told me that the program had recommended my proposal for funding. I also submitted the public award abstract upon the request from PO. However, the status on FastLane is still showing "pending" from the date of submission. My question is: how much is the chance I will get the award, and how long will it take to get the final decision? Many thanks for always being very helpful to all of us.
Very good chance but nothing is official until you get the NOA. The process can take a little as a month to get all the approvals and go through the business review. The status will eventually update to Recommended. I'll just tell you to remain patient.
Many thanks. Someone told me the chances are 50:50. Is it right?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 28, 2021, 03:40:14 PM
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on January 28, 2021, 12:42:09 PM
Quote from: anxiety_rising on January 28, 2021, 09:57:24 AM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 28, 2021, 09:44:21 AM
Quote from: dionysus816 on January 28, 2021, 08:40:43 AM
I can feel your pain. I had similar experience during the last cycle. My case was more extreme: E, E/V, VG, P.
Still waiting for the decision of DMR. Literally, I refresh research.gov at least twice a day.
Those are rookie numbers, need to pump them up to like every 2 hours or so.
I was probably doing the same things until a new and recent experience with a particular PO. He actually emailed me in the Fall to let me know that my proposal was going to be rejected. The date in Fastlane did not change until early January, three months after the decision had already been made. So, in my opinion, refreshing research.gov every day or so is a waste of time.
I agree that refreshing research.gov is a waste of time. I wish NSF has a policy about how to handle the declined proposals. In 3 months you could have done many things with your proposal, including revising it for the next round.
This is slowing science and hurting productivity of a significant portion (>85%) of NSF's customers. I am assuming that roughly 15% of proposals get funded.
Sorry to hear about your disappointment with Research.gov. Just imagine how terrible it was before that system with FastLane, which provided even less visibility, and senior academics seem to have gotten by. It's a sign of the information era. The NSF does have a policy for handling declined proposals. At the end of the day, it's a government agency.
The funding rates are greater than 15%. FY2019 - 2020, the success rates were BIO: 36%, CISE: 25%, EHR: 23%, ENG: 26%, GEO: 42%, MPS: 30%, O/D: 25%, and SBE: 25%.
In most cases, except for MPS, the success rates increased from the previous year, and MPS remained a steady 30%. If you'd like the breakdown by a particular division, I can give you that too.
On average, across all divisions and programs, the average decision time is 5.78 months. The NSF advises six months, and while we would all like to know as soon as a decision is made, on average, they are consistent.
Thanks for the clarification.
Quote from: research_prof on January 28, 2021, 06:12:27 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on January 28, 2021, 03:40:14 PM
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on January 28, 2021, 12:42:09 PM
Quote from: anxiety_rising on January 28, 2021, 09:57:24 AM
Quote from: born_a_prof on January 28, 2021, 09:44:21 AM
Quote from: dionysus816 on January 28, 2021, 08:40:43 AM
I can feel your pain. I had similar experience during the last cycle. My case was more extreme: E, E/V, VG, P.
Still waiting for the decision of DMR. Literally, I refresh research.gov at least twice a day.
Those are rookie numbers, need to pump them up to like every 2 hours or so.
I was probably doing the same things until a new and recent experience with a particular PO. He actually emailed me in the Fall to let me know that my proposal was going to be rejected. The date in Fastlane did not change until early January, three months after the decision had already been made. So, in my opinion, refreshing research.gov every day or so is a waste of time.
I agree that refreshing research.gov is a waste of time. I wish NSF has a policy about how to handle the declined proposals. In 3 months you could have done many things with your proposal, including revising it for the next round.
This is slowing science and hurting productivity of a significant portion (>85%) of NSF's customers. I am assuming that roughly 15% of proposals get funded.
Sorry to hear about your disappointment with Research.gov. Just imagine how terrible it was before that system with FastLane, which provided even less visibility, and senior academics seem to have gotten by. It's a sign of the information era. The NSF does have a policy for handling declined proposals. At the end of the day, it's a government agency.
The funding rates are greater than 15%. FY2019 - 2020, the success rates were BIO: 36%, CISE: 25%, EHR: 23%, ENG: 26%, GEO: 42%, MPS: 30%, O/D: 25%, and SBE: 25%.
In most cases, except for MPS, the success rates increased from the previous year, and MPS remained a steady 30%. If you'd like the breakdown by a particular division, I can give you that too.
On average, across all divisions and programs, the average decision time is 5.78 months. The NSF advises six months, and while we would all like to know as soon as a decision is made, on average, they are consistent.
where did you find these funding rates? I have attended several NSF webinars and NSF POs were continuously saying that NSF does not publish CAREER funding rates because that's the policy.
Those are not CAREER funding rates. The NSF does not provide program funding rates. The rates provided are by directorate across all programs. I can also provide division funding rates but those are a bit longer.
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I am about to submit the tenure package this year. That's where the anxiety comes from.
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I can feel your pain. I had similar experience during the last cycle. My case was more extreme: E, E/V, VG, P.
Still waiting for the decision of DMR. Literally, I refresh research.gov at least twice a day.
Those are rookie numbers, need to pump them up to like every 2 hours or so.
I was probably doing the same things until a new and recent experience with a particular PO. He actually emailed me in the Fall to let me know that my proposal was going to be rejected. The date in Fastlane did not change until early January, three months after the decision had already been made. So, in my opinion, refreshing research.gov every day or so is a waste of time.
You'll get tenure!
Hi Aspiring. Academic: After submitting the revised budget, my PO told me that the program had recommended my proposal for funding. I also submitted the public award abstract upon the request from PO. However, the status on FastLane is still showing "pending" from the date of submission. My question is: how much is the chance I will get the award, and how long will it take to get the final decision? Many thanks for always being very helpful to all of us.
Very good chance but nothing is official until you get the NOA. The process can take a little as a month to get all the approvals and go through the business review. The status will eventually update to Recommended. I'll just tell you to remain patient.
Many thanks. Someone told me the chances are 50:50. Is it right?
Whoever told you 50/50 is wrong.
See rusunyii's previous post which is correct.
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Does anyone know how the typical CAREER panel actually runs? I got only ~1 weakness in all my four reviews (G) which was explicitly addressed, and I am wondering if anyone even read the entire thing?
It will be a bummer if a proposal that takes several months of effort is summarily dismissed by just reading the summary.
It's a lot of work to serve on a panel. Being tossed 20-30 proposals, being asked to rank them, summarize their strengths and weaknesses, and then advocate for those on the fringe is rough. The panelists wrote about a weakness collectively, which is indicative of it either dominating the panel or, in their opinion, the explanation being insufficient.
From the three CAREER workshops at the NSF that I attended, it was nearly universal advice that if you know something in the proposal may be perceived as a deficiency or oversight, address it upfront, early, and often. Sticking it on page 7 of a 15-page proposal doesn't help the case.
Also, get some additional feedback from the PD. Writing panel summaries is a painstaking task for them, and many agonize over every declination.
Thanks for the good advice and comments.
Perhaps writing good reviews is time consuming, but I dont see how skimming a proposal and writing 5 sentences about it can be perceived as such. I have observed that this "PI blaming" is universal and pervasive. I am assuming most CAREER applications are well thought out, carefully written, and describe something that the PIs have spent years studying. To see these efforts rejected because "reviewers are busy", cannot be good for science. Perhaps I am spoilt by the fact that even regular papers in my field get thousands of words of detailed and actionable peer-review.
If grants are a lottery because of the low funding rates, atleast make them an explicitly random to avoid all this bureaucratic overwork and let everyone focus on the science?
Without having ever sat on a panel, I can understand how someone may come away with that conclusion and assume that most CAREER proposals are well written, but that is shortsighted.
Spending years studying, planning, and even writing manuscripts isn't the same as spending years grant writing.
For many CAREER proposals, it's the researcher's first NSF proposal an introduction to the NSF and scientific grant writing — and being so, it is usually not their best work, even if they believe it to be their junior career summarized in 15 pages.
With the mid-summer deadline, many academics cannot fully invest in writing their best work because they're coming off the heels of a hectic end of the semester with less than 60 days to submit a well-integrated CAREER proposal. A cursory look through this thread will reveal how many people rush, and most don't land it the first time.
Reviewers of CAREER proposal are typically senior academics who have to be reminded that they're reviewing junior colleagues' work and to cut them some slack. Many CAREER proposals, unless thoroughly revised, wouldn't cut the mustard as a CORE project when competing against much more experienced and senior colleagues.
Panel reviewers aren't about to write an essay of work being fallible. That's not their job. Unlike a journal review where you may get an R&R, and the paper is sent back to the same reviewers, perhaps with a change document addressing the comments, but the panels don't operate in that fashion. If you made all the three panelists' changes, those same three wouldn't be in the next panel, and the next panel is bound to find some error or omission that the prior one did not.
In grantsmanship, there is a bit of luck, but it's certainly not a lottery. You're frustrated by the process and a lack of detail in your reviews. Once again, I'd suggest reaching out to the PD, scheduling a phone call, or preferably a Zoom call (virtual face to face), and spend 20-30 minutes discussing your project and asking for feedback. It'll be more beneficial to you than any of my remarks and may ease some of your frustrations.
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I can feel your pain. I had similar experience during the last cycle. My case was more extreme: E, E/V, VG, P.
Still waiting for the decision of DMR. Literally, I refresh research.gov at least twice a day.
Those are rookie numbers, need to pump them up to like every 2 hours or so.
I was probably doing the same things until a new and recent experience with a particular PO. He actually emailed me in the Fall to let me know that my proposal was going to be rejected. The date in Fastlane did not change until early January, three months after the decision had already been made. So, in my opinion, refreshing research.gov every day or so is a waste of time.
You'll get tenure!
Hi Aspiring. Academic: After submitting the revised budget, my PO told me that the program had recommended my proposal for funding. I also submitted the public award abstract upon the request from PO. However, the status on FastLane is still showing "pending" from the date of submission. My question is: how much is the chance I will get the award, and how long will it take to get the final decision? Many thanks for always being very helpful to all of us.
Very good chance but nothing is official until you get the NOA. The process can take a little as a month to get all the approvals and go through the business review. The status will eventually update to Recommended. I'll just tell you to remain patient.
Many thanks. Someone told me the chances are 50:50. Is it right?
Whoever told you 50/50 is wrong.
See rusunyii's previous post which is correct.
Thanks for the clarification. One of my friend in a different school told me about 50:50.
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If you have submitted the abstract and the PO has congratulated you on an unofficial recommendation, then your chance is at least 95%+. The waiting can be as short as 1 month and as long as 3-4 months.
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I am about to submit the tenure package this year. That's where the anxiety comes from.
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I can feel your pain. I had similar experience during the last cycle. My case was more extreme: E, E/V, VG, P.
Still waiting for the decision of DMR. Literally, I refresh research.gov at least twice a day.
Those are rookie numbers, need to pump them up to like every 2 hours or so.
I was probably doing the same things until a new and recent experience with a particular PO. He actually emailed me in the Fall to let me know that my proposal was going to be rejected. The date in Fastlane did not change until early January, three months after the decision had already been made. So, in my opinion, refreshing research.gov every day or so is a waste of time.
You'll get tenure!
Hi Aspiring. Academic: After submitting the revised budget, my PO told me that the program had recommended my proposal for funding. I also submitted the public award abstract upon the request from PO. However, the status on FastLane is still showing "pending" from the date of submission. My question is: how much is the chance I will get the award, and how long will it take to get the final decision? Many thanks for always being very helpful to all of us.
Very good chance but nothing is official until you get the NOA. The process can take a little as a month to get all the approvals and go through the business review. The status will eventually update to Recommended. I'll just tell you to remain patient.
Many thanks. Someone told me the chances are 50:50. Is it right?
Thanks for clarification
Many program officers encourage reviewers to provide useful feedback, particularly on the CAREER proposals. However, the reviewers are not obliged to follow. Some programs have a hard time securing enough reviewers. Unless there's some gross ethical violation, reviewers are largely not accountable. PO may decide to not invite the reviewer for future reviews.
As a general comment, a terse review might be an indicator that the reviewer has too many issues with the proposals and deems it well below the threshold. Again, this is a general comment, not on any particular case.
The PO is the only person who has some responsibility to help you understand why your proposal was declined. Even though, this is not explicit in their job description. But they are required to communicate with the researchers in the field. The community as a whole can, to some extent, hold the PO accountable, through committees of visitors and advisory panels that regularly evaluate the work of federal agencies.
Also recall a grant is a form of financial assistance. the federal government has no obligation to support any particular project. So, yes, the blame always goes to the PI.
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Does anyone know how the typical CAREER panel actually runs? I got only ~1 weakness in all my four reviews (G) which was explicitly addressed, and I am wondering if anyone even read the entire thing?
It will be a bummer if a proposal that takes several months of effort is summarily dismissed by just reading the summary.
It's a lot of work to serve on a panel. Being tossed 20-30 proposals, being asked to rank them, summarize their strengths and weaknesses, and then advocate for those on the fringe is rough. The panelists wrote about a weakness collectively, which is indicative of it either dominating the panel or, in their opinion, the explanation being insufficient.
From the three CAREER workshops at the NSF that I attended, it was nearly universal advice that if you know something in the proposal may be perceived as a deficiency or oversight, address it upfront, early, and often. Sticking it on page 7 of a 15-page proposal doesn't help the case.
Also, get some additional feedback from the PD. Writing panel summaries is a painstaking task for them, and many agonize over every declination.
Thanks for the good advice and comments.
Perhaps writing good reviews is time consuming, but I dont see how skimming a proposal and writing 5 sentences about it can be perceived as such. I have observed that this "PI blaming" is universal and pervasive. I am assuming most CAREER applications are well thought out, carefully written, and describe something that the PIs have spent years studying. To see these efforts rejected because "reviewers are busy", cannot be good for science. Perhaps I am spoilt by the fact that even regular papers in my field get thousands of words of detailed and actionable peer-review.
If grants are a lottery because of the low funding rates, atleast make them an explicitly random to avoid all this bureaucratic overwork and let everyone focus on the science?
Is anyone still waiting for CAREER?
I'm in CMMI, and no updates since submission on 08/2020. \
Quote from: angelama on February 01, 2021, 05:56:55 AM
Is anyone still waiting for CAREER?
I'm still waiting.
My is in IIS CISE
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Is anyone still waiting for CAREER?
Quote from: angelama on February 01, 2021, 05:56:55 AM
Is anyone still waiting for CAREER?
Thanks to all who responded.
I am in FRR, still waiting.
I think you have a good chance. I know someone got declined recently with competitive panel review from IIS.
Good luck!
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I'm still waiting.
My is in IIS CISE
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Is anyone still waiting for CAREER?
Quote from: rusunyii on February 01, 2021, 10:40:35 AM
I think you have a good chance. I know someone got declined recently with competitive panel review from IIS.
Good luck!
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I'm still waiting.
My is in IIS CISE
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Is anyone still waiting for CAREER?
Has your proposal been officially recommended?
I have a date change today, and the status is still pending. PO told me the proposal will be recommended for funding on 1/5, and I haven't talked to the PO since then
It must be a good move.
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I have a date change today, and the status is still pending. PO told me the proposal will be recommended for funding on 1/5, and I haven't talked to the PO since then
DMR, still waiitng since the submissin of abstract and c & P. Almost two months since it was recommended. I haven't seen any new awards in DMR since Jan 13th.
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Is anyone still waiting for CAREER?
DMR till waiting
I guess they may be working on the total budget of the division. Congratulations, almost there!
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DMR, still waiitng since the submissin of abstract and c & P. Almost two months since it was recommended. I haven't seen any new awards in DMR since Jan 13th.
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Is anyone still waiting for CAREER?
DMR till waiting
Is anyone waiting to hear from DMR - Condensed Matter and Materials Theory (CMMT)?
Mine is DMR CER
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Is anyone waiting to hear from DMR - Condensed Matter and Materials Theory (CMMT)?
Mine is DMR CMP
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Is anyone waiting to hear from DMR - Condensed Matter and Materials Theory (CMMT)?
Not yet. I had a proposal officially recommended 2.5 months after submitting the abstract. I think this may happen again.
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Quote from: rusunyii on February 01, 2021, 10:40:35 AM
I think you have a good chance. I know someone got declined recently with competitive panel review from IIS.
Good luck!
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I'm still waiting.
My is in IIS CISE
Quote from: angelama on February 01, 2021, 05:56:55 AM
Is anyone still waiting for CAREER?
Has your proposal been officially recommended?
I am in CMMI too. No change of status since submission in 08/2020.
thanks.
Quote from: rusunyii on February 01, 2021, 10:40:35 AM
I think you have a good chance. I know someone got declined recently with competitive panel review from IIS.
Good luck!
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I'm still waiting.
My is in IIS CISE
Quote from: angelama on February 01, 2021, 05:56:55 AM
Is anyone still waiting for CAREER?
Thanks - same here, still no news.
Quote from: rusunyii on February 01, 2021, 05:10:24 PM
Not yet. I had a proposal officially recommended 2.5 months after submitting the abstract. I think this may happen again.
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Quote from: rusunyii on February 01, 2021, 10:40:35 AM
I think you have a good chance. I know someone got declined recently with competitive panel review from IIS.
Good luck!
Quote from: lightofhope on February 01, 2021, 07:53:20 AM
I'm still waiting.
My is in IIS CISE
Quote from: angelama on February 01, 2021, 05:56:55 AM
Is anyone still waiting for CAREER?
Has your proposal been officially recommended?
I think as long as it is officially recommended, usually, it should be no problem.
Quote from: ocean2428 on February 01, 2021, 02:52:35 PM
DMR, still waiitng since the submissin of abstract and c & P. Almost two months since it was recommended. I haven't seen any new awards in DMR since Jan 13th.
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Quote from: angelama on February 01, 2021, 05:56:55 AM
Is anyone still waiting for CAREER?
DMR till waiting
What did you all put as the project start date? I see the latest funded CAREERs in my program all have a start date of 2/1/21. I wonder if the PD works on the ones with early start dates first.
I don't think it matters. You won't hear earlier about your proposal because you have put an earlier start date. Once the process is finished, (I guess) you can revise the start date. It's unlikely that all have chosen the same start date. It's more likely that your program has completed the process for the funded proposals before 2/1/21 and the PIs can start from that date.
Quote from: xamxam on February 02, 2021, 08:13:41 AM
What did you all put as the project start date? I see the latest funded CAREERs in my program all have a start date of 2/1/21. I wonder if the PD works on the ones with early start dates first.
Quote from: xamxam on February 02, 2021, 08:13:41 AM
What did you all put as the project start date? I see the latest funded CAREERs in my program all have a start date of 2/1/21. I wonder if the PD works on the ones with early start dates first.
It's largely irrelevant. The start date will be automatically adjusted to the 1st of the following month after the NOA unless otherwise stated.
My status date change today but still pending
Timeline so far:
October 28th - PM asked to clarify some issues raised by one of the referees. (no change in date or status)
December 8th - PM sent an email saying "recommended for funding" and asked for C&P and Abstract (status still pending no date change)
February 2nd- Status date change but status still pending.
Quote from: ocean2428 on February 02, 2021, 01:22:50 PM
My status date change today but still pending
Timeline so far:
October 28th - PM asked to clarify some issues raised by one of the referees. (no change in date or status)
December 8th - PM sent an email saying "recommended for funding" and asked for C&P and Abstract (status still pending no date change)
February 2nd- Status date change but status still pending.
Congratulations! I think it will become recommended soon.
Quote from: ocean2428 on February 02, 2021, 01:22:50 PM
My status date change today but still pending
Timeline so far:
October 28th - PM asked to clarify some issues raised by one of the referees. (no change in date or status)
December 8th - PM sent an email saying "recommended for funding" and asked for C&P and Abstract (status still pending no date change)
February 2nd- Status date change but status still pending.
noa is on the way. Congrats!
Congratulations !
Quote from: ocean2428 on February 02, 2021, 01:22:50 PM
My status date change today but still pending
Timeline so far:
October 28th - PM asked to clarify some issues raised by one of the referees. (no change in date or status)
December 8th - PM sent an email saying "recommended for funding" and asked for C&P and Abstract (status still pending no date change)
February 2nd- Status date change but status still pending.
Thank you. Hopefully, it will be the case.
Received good news yesterday. PD asked for C&PS and wrote back a few hours later saying it was recommended for funding. Thank you to the group for the useful information and emotional support!
Congratulations!
Quote from: xamxam on February 03, 2021, 09:51:31 AM
Received good news yesterday. PD asked for C&PS and wrote back a few hours later saying it was recommended for funding. Thank you to the group for the useful information and emotional support!
Congratulations, great news!
Congrats!
Quote from: xamxam on February 03, 2021, 09:51:31 AM
Received good news yesterday. PD asked for C&PS and wrote back a few hours later saying it was recommended for funding. Thank you to the group for the useful information and emotional support!
Status date has changed to today with an email from PO yesterday talking about my other proposal, NOT the career. I sent a 2-page summary back in mid January.
I think rejection is on the way.
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What did you all put as the project start date? I see the latest funded CAREERs in my program all have a start date of 2/1/21. I wonder if the PD works on the ones with early start dates first.
It's largely irrelevant. The start date will be automatically adjusted to the 1st of the following month after the NOA unless otherwise stated.
The status date of my proposal is changed today (after submission, August 8). I already submitted a public abstract 10 days ago. Any comment on the status change?
Last year, after two days of change of status, I received rejection; public abstracted was not requested last year...
I believe it's a positive sign!
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What did you all put as the project start date? I see the latest funded CAREERs in my program all have a start date of 2/1/21. I wonder if the PD works on the ones with early start dates first.
It's largely irrelevant. The start date will be automatically adjusted to the 1st of the following month after the NOA unless otherwise stated.
The status date of my proposal is changed today (after submission, August 8). I already submitted a public abstract 10 days ago. Any comment on the status change?
Last year, after two days of change of status, I received rejection; public abstracted was not requested last year...
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What did you all put as the project start date? I see the latest funded CAREERs in my program all have a start date of 2/1/21. I wonder if the PD works on the ones with early start dates first.
It's largely irrelevant. The start date will be automatically adjusted to the 1st of the following month after the NOA unless otherwise stated.
The status date of my proposal is changed today (after submission, August 8). I already submitted a public abstract 10 days ago. Any comment on the status change?
Last year, after two days of change of status, I received rejection; public abstracted was not requested last year...
Just wait and be patient.
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Quote from: xamxam on February 02, 2021, 08:13:41 AM
What did you all put as the project start date? I see the latest funded CAREERs in my program all have a start date of 2/1/21. I wonder if the PD works on the ones with early start dates first.
It's largely irrelevant. The start date will be automatically adjusted to the 1st of the following month after the NOA unless otherwise stated.
The status date of my proposal is changed today (after submission, August 8). I already submitted a public abstract 10 days ago. Any comment on the status change?
Last year, after two days of change of status, I received rejection; public abstracted was not requested last year...
Just wait and be patient.
Sure, thanks for being a very helpful to everyone...
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What did you all put as the project start date? I see the latest funded CAREERs in my program all have a start date of 2/1/21. I wonder if the PD works on the ones with early start dates first.
It's largely irrelevant. The start date will be automatically adjusted to the 1st of the following month after the NOA unless otherwise stated.
The status date of my proposal is changed today (after submission, August 8). I already submitted a public abstract 10 days ago. Any comment on the status change?
Last year, after two days of change of status, I received rejection; public abstracted was not requested last year...
Just wait and be patient.
Sure, thanks for being a very helpful to everyone...
I know being patient is hard but it's really all I can advise you to do.
Take a breather and work on something else to help pass the time.
Good news! Mine was officially recommended.
Congrats!
which program?
Quote from: EngineeringProfessor on February 04, 2021, 08:38:15 AM
Good news! Mine was officially recommended.
Friday again and still no news.
Does anyone know any news from IIS?
I saw only one award was made so far.
Quote from: lightofhope on February 05, 2021, 09:51:31 AM
Friday again and still no news.
Does anyone know any news from IIS?
I saw only one award was made so far.
No news as well.
I think CISE is slower than others. Good luck!
Any news from DCSD ?
Quote from: born_a_prof on February 07, 2021, 10:06:25 AM
Any news from DCSD ?
I know someone from DCSD has already been contacted by the PM in Jan.
Declined.
E, V, V/G
Quote from: dionysus816 on February 07, 2021, 06:20:14 PM
Declined.
E, V, V/G
I'm sorry to hear this news. Stay motivated and address reviewers concerns and revise the proposal.
Which program?
CER
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Quote from: dionysus816 on February 07, 2021, 06:20:14 PM
Declined.
E, V, V/G
I'm sorry to hear this news. Stay motivated and address reviewers concerns and revise the proposal.
Which program?
I am happy to read about all of the success stories. For all others, there is nothing more to do than to regroup and try again.
Are there others still waiting for news? Mine has no updates since submission and a couple of awards have already been announced. It could mean that I am in the bubble or that the rejection announcement is moving through the system... hard to tell.
I'm still waiting.
CISE is so slow!!!
Quote from: anxiety_rising on February 09, 2021, 06:22:58 AM
I am happy to read about all of the success stories. For all others, there is nothing more to do than to regroup and try again.
Are there others still waiting for news? Mine has no updates since submission and a couple of awards have already been announced. It could mean that I am in the bubble or that the rejection announcement is moving through the system... hard to tell.
I think you are on the bubble.
I am probably in a similar situation. I contacted the PM and her response was "you were not selected in the first round, but you have not been rejected either". Well, don't want to read the tea leaves, but kind of like "the hope is not totally gone, but almost gone". :(
Quote from: anxiety_rising on February 09, 2021, 06:22:58 AM
I am happy to read about all of the success stories. For all others, there is nothing more to do than to regroup and try again.
Are there others still waiting for news? Mine has no updates since submission and a couple of awards have already been announced. It could mean that I am in the bubble or that the rejection announcement is moving through the system... hard to tell.
Quote from: J.dodo1988 on February 09, 2021, 11:12:17 AM
I think you are on the bubble.
I am probably in a similar situation. I contacted the PM and her response was "you were not selected in the first round, but you have not been rejected either". Well, don't want to read the tea leaves, but kind of like "the hope is not totally gone, but almost gone". :(
Quote from: anxiety_rising on February 09, 2021, 06:22:58 AM
I am happy to read about all of the success stories. For all others, there is nothing more to do than to regroup and try again.
Are there others still waiting for news? Mine has no updates since submission and a couple of awards have already been announced. It could mean that I am in the bubble or that the rejection announcement is moving through the system... hard to tell.
Thanks for letting me know. I have been resisting the temptation of writing to the program manager. So far I have succeeded.
To keep your hopes up, I will share recent news from another PO. I was contacted about a week ago (re: another proposal pending) and she told me that EAR still has not gotten their budget numbers. Lot's of uncertainty as to what they can fund with limited knowledge on funds. So keep your fingers crossed and best of luck.
Quote from: aspiring.academic on February 04, 2021, 04:15:15 AM
Quote from: happy123 on February 03, 2021, 07:03:28 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on February 02, 2021, 11:11:51 AM
Quote from: xamxam on February 02, 2021, 08:13:41 AM
What did you all put as the project start date? I see the latest funded CAREERs in my program all have a start date of 2/1/21. I wonder if the PD works on the ones with early start dates first.
It's largely irrelevant. The start date will be automatically adjusted to the 1st of the following month after the NOA unless otherwise stated.
The status date of my proposal is changed today (after submission, August 8). I already submitted a public abstract 10 days ago. Any comment on the status change?
Last year, after two days of change of status, I received rejection; public abstracted was not requested last year...
Just wait and be patient.
I want to let you know that the division director has officially recommended my proposal. I received a congratulations email today. Many thanks for your kind replies and suggestions.
Quote from: happy123 on February 09, 2021, 06:10:42 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on February 04, 2021, 04:15:15 AM
Quote from: happy123 on February 03, 2021, 07:03:28 PM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on February 02, 2021, 11:11:51 AM
Quote from: xamxam on February 02, 2021, 08:13:41 AM
What did you all put as the project start date? I see the latest funded CAREERs in my program all have a start date of 2/1/21. I wonder if the PD works on the ones with early start dates first.
It's largely irrelevant. The start date will be automatically adjusted to the 1st of the following month after the NOA unless otherwise stated.
The status date of my proposal is changed today (after submission, August 8). I already submitted a public abstract 10 days ago. Any comment on the status change?
Last year, after two days of change of status, I received rejection; public abstracted was not requested last year...
Just wait and be patient.
I want to let you know that the division director has officially recommended my proposal. I received a congratulations email today. Many thanks for your kind replies and suggestions.
Excellent!!! I'm glad to hear.
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on December 26, 2020, 11:52:19 AM
Has anyone heard from CMMI/HDBE?
Have you heard anything yet from CMMI/HDBE? I have not. There were a number of declines that went out in mid-Dec.
Quote from: HikingMaryland on February 12, 2021, 07:50:18 AM
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on December 26, 2020, 11:52:19 AM
Has anyone heard from CMMI/HDBE?
Have you heard anything yet from CMMI/HDBE? I have not. There were a number of declines that went out in mid-Dec.
No, I have not heard anything. My status has not changed since submission. And I have not seen any awards from there yet. Still no news is no news.
I'm still in limbo...initial contact by PO in early Dec. My, this takes a long time! I feel like I've been holding my breath for 2 months.
It's like that feeling of presents before Christmas but multiplied by 1000 times.
Here's hoping it's still going forward!
Have you received the official recommendation?
Quote from: ocean2428 on February 02, 2021, 01:22:50 PM
My status date change today but still pending
Timeline so far:
October 28th - PM asked to clarify some issues raised by one of the referees. (no change in date or status)
December 8th - PM sent an email saying "recommended for funding" and asked for C&P and Abstract (status still pending no date change)
February 2nd- Status date change but status still pending.
Timeline so far:
October 28th - PM asked to clarify some issues raised by one of the referees. (no change in date or status)
December 8th - PM sent an email saying "recommended for funding" and asked for C&P and Abstract (status still pending no date change)
February 2nd- Status date change but status still pending.
February 7nd- Status change to recommended
Haven't heard anything since then. I hope this means officially recommended.
Quote from: rusunyii on February 17, 2021, 07:56:42 AM
Have you received the official recommendation?
Quote from: ocean2428 on February 02, 2021, 01:22:50 PM
My status date change today but still pending
Timeline so far:
October 28th - PM asked to clarify some issues raised by one of the referees. (no change in date or status)
December 8th - PM sent an email saying "recommended for funding" and asked for C&P and Abstract (status still pending no date change)
February 2nd- Status date change but status still pending.
Thanks. This means official recommendation :) I think it will be awarded soon.
My status also changed recently, and hope to see this as well.
Quote from: ocean2428 on February 17, 2021, 09:52:11 AM
Timeline so far:
October 28th - PM asked to clarify some issues raised by one of the referees. (no change in date or status)
December 8th - PM sent an email saying "recommended for funding" and asked for C&P and Abstract (status still pending no date change)
February 2nd- Status date change but status still pending.
February 7nd- Status change to recommended
Haven't heard anything since then. I hope this means officially recommended.
Quote from: rusunyii on February 17, 2021, 07:56:42 AM
Have you received the official recommendation?
Quote from: ocean2428 on February 02, 2021, 01:22:50 PM
My status date change today but still pending
Timeline so far:
October 28th - PM asked to clarify some issues raised by one of the referees. (no change in date or status)
December 8th - PM sent an email saying "recommended for funding" and asked for C&P and Abstract (status still pending no date change)
February 2nd- Status date change but status still pending.
Quote from: J.dodo1988 on February 09, 2021, 11:12:17 AM
I think you are on the bubble.
I am probably in a similar situation. I contacted the PM and her response was "you were not selected in the first round, but you have not been rejected either". Well, don't want to read the tea leaves, but kind of like "the hope is not totally gone, but almost gone". :(
Quote from: anxiety_rising on February 09, 2021, 06:22:58 AM
I am happy to read about all of the success stories. For all others, there is nothing more to do than to regroup and try again.
Are there others still waiting for news? Mine has no updates since submission and a couple of awards have already been announced. It could mean that I am in the bubble or that the rejection announcement is moving through the system... hard to tell.
Any news on your end? A colleague of mine just got hers rejected so my guess is that they are slowly sending rejections out. No status update on mine yet.
Rumor's that NSF Engineering will release results to applicants before the career workshop deadline of Feb-19.
Quote from: anxiety_rising on February 17, 2021, 11:00:02 AM
Quote from: J.dodo1988 on February 09, 2021, 11:12:17 AM
I think you are on the bubble.
I am probably in a similar situation. I contacted the PM and her response was "you were not selected in the first round, but you have not been rejected either". Well, don't want to read the tea leaves, but kind of like "the hope is not totally gone, but almost gone". :(
Quote from: anxiety_rising on February 09, 2021, 06:22:58 AM
I am happy to read about all of the success stories. For all others, there is nothing more to do than to regroup and try again.
Are there others still waiting for news? Mine has no updates since submission and a couple of awards have already been announced. It could mean that I am in the bubble or that the rejection announcement is moving through the system... hard to tell.
Any news on your end? A colleague of mine just got hers rejected so my guess is that they are slowly sending rejections out. No status update on mine yet.
Nope. Nothing. The date still shows the august one.
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Any news on your end? A colleague of mine just got hers rejected so my guess is that they are slowly sending rejections out. No status update on mine yet.
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Does anyone have any news about IIS@CISE?
So far only one award was made, so slow!
Just received the NOA.
Congratulations!
After total radio silence since some frantic award negotiations back in November, my institution's proposal (CISE) has finally moved to "recommended," though no NOA yet.
Congrats!
which program in CISE?
Quote from: hazelshade on February 23, 2021, 12:18:35 PM
After total radio silence since some frantic award negotiations back in November, my institution's proposal (CISE) has finally moved to "recommended," though no NOA yet.
Quote from: lightofhope on February 23, 2021, 04:39:43 PM
Congrats!
which program in CISE?
Quote from: hazelshade on February 23, 2021, 12:18:35 PM
After total radio silence since some frantic award negotiations back in November, my institution's proposal (CISE) has finally moved to "recommended," though no NOA yet.
SHF.
Quote from: hazelshade on February 23, 2021, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: lightofhope on February 23, 2021, 04:39:43 PM
Congrats!
which program in CISE?
Quote from: hazelshade on February 23, 2021, 12:18:35 PM
After total radio silence since some frantic award negotiations back in November, my institution's proposal (CISE) has finally moved to "recommended," though no NOA yet.
SHF.
And the NOA has arrived!
For those in CISE IIS:
The PM contacted me mid-Jan asking for the abstract, revised budget, etc. Earlier this week the status became "recommended".
Personally, I think it won't hurt to email the PM and ask. I emailed the PM in early Jan and he replied the same day saying that my proposal was reviewed highly and they were processing it.
Congrats!
Quote from: hazelshade on February 24, 2021, 08:04:31 AM
Quote from: hazelshade on February 23, 2021, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: lightofhope on February 23, 2021, 04:39:43 PM
Congrats!
which program in CISE?
Quote from: hazelshade on February 23, 2021, 12:18:35 PM
After total radio silence since some frantic award negotiations back in November, my institution's proposal (CISE) has finally moved to "recommended," though no NOA yet.
SHF.
And the NOA has arrived!
Congrats!
Quote from: hazelshade on February 23, 2021, 12:18:35 PM
After total radio silence since some frantic award negotiations back in November, my institution's proposal (CISE) has finally moved to "recommended," though no NOA yet.
Great news! It sounds like your NOA arrived just a couple of days after the status becomes recommended? I wish this can happen to me as well!
Quote from: hazelshade on February 24, 2021, 08:04:31 AM
Quote from: hazelshade on February 23, 2021, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: lightofhope on February 23, 2021, 04:39:43 PM
Congrats!
which program in CISE?
Quote from: hazelshade on February 23, 2021, 12:18:35 PM
After total radio silence since some frantic award negotiations back in November, my institution's proposal (CISE) has finally moved to "recommended," though no NOA yet.
SHF.
And the NOA has arrived!
thanks for the update.
So far IIS only has two awards and both are from RI.
Not sure why IIS is so slow this year.
Quote from: zeldabeginner on February 24, 2021, 08:18:04 AM
For those in CISE IIS:
The PM contacted me mid-Jan asking for the abstract, revised budget, etc. Earlier this week the status became "recommended".
Personally, I think it won't hurt to email the PM and ask. I emailed the PM in early Jan and he replied the same day saying that my proposal was reviewed highly and they were processing it.
Quote from: soccer on February 24, 2021, 01:55:13 PM
Great news! It sounds like your NOA arrived just a couple of days after the status becomes recommended? I wish this can happen to me as well!
Quote from: hazelshade on February 24, 2021, 08:04:31 AM
Quote from: hazelshade on February 23, 2021, 05:10:31 PM
Quote from: lightofhope on February 23, 2021, 04:39:43 PM
Congrats!
which program in CISE?
Quote from: hazelshade on February 23, 2021, 12:18:35 PM
After total radio silence since some frantic award negotiations back in November, my institution's proposal (CISE) has finally moved to "recommended," though no NOA yet.
SHF.
And the NOA has arrived!
Yep--we had award negotiations in late November/early December and then crickets for a long time. On February 20, the status date was updated (but still read "pending"); on February 23, it was changed to "recommended," and then the NOA came through on the 24th.
IIS is not moving slowly their standard. They%u2019re publishing awards at about their typical pace. Around five before 3/1 of the calendar year. Most IIS CAREER awards don%u2019t begin until after 3/1 in prior years and would figure to repeat the same trend this year.
Good luck to everyone!
Quote from: aspiring.academic on February 25, 2021, 05:49:58 PM
IIS is not moving slowly their standard. They%u2019re publishing awards at about their typical pace. Around five before 3/1 of the calendar year. Most IIS CAREER awards don%u2019t begin until after 3/1 in prior years and would figure to repeat the same trend this year.
Good luck to everyone!
That was a butchered post. Let me try again.
IIS is not moving slowly. They're on par with the previous year. In the last handful of years, they've published 5 or fewer awards before 3/1. Most of their awards are published after 3/1 and some well into May and June. They're on pace to repeat what they've traditionally done.
If you haven't been contacted it's probably time to start revising and preparing for the next cycle.
I am excited to share with this group that I was contacted by the PO yesterday. Pending some modifications to the budget, my CAREER proposal will be recommended for funding. Budget revisions, COVID-19 contingency plan, and an abstract have been requested. The PO was very cautious in his email, saying that budget is still very uncertain as of today. So I am excited but also cautious in case it falls through.
Congratulations!!
Congrats!
Quote from: anxiety_rising on February 27, 2021, 12:09:57 PM
I am excited to share with this group that I was contacted by the PO yesterday. Pending some modifications to the budget, my CAREER proposal will be recommended for funding. Budget revisions, COVID-19 contingency plan, and an abstract have been requested. The PO was very cautious in his email, saying that budget is still very uncertain as of today. So I am excited but also cautious in case it falls through.
Thank you but I am a little concerned. His email sounded like they are still very uncertain. Will update once I learn more.
Mine is in the CMMI AM program, had a Fastlane status date change back in Jan, PD remains the same. No contact from PD requesting anything.
My guess is a decline is on the way. But it's almost two months after the status date change. Does anyone have any similar experience to share? Why does the PD hold on releasing the decline and/or review results?
I don't plan to reach out to the PD yet. It doesn't feel good in the limbo. Thanks.
Quote from: HunterNC on March 03, 2021, 10:54:11 AM
Mine is in the CMMI AM program, had a Fastlane status date change back in Jan, PD remains the same. No contact from PD requesting anything.
My guess is a decline is on the way. But it's almost two months after the status date change. Does anyone have any similar experience to share? Why does the PD hold on releasing the decline and/or review results?
I don't plan to reach out to the PD yet. It doesn't feel good in the limbo. Thanks.
Yes, since COVID started, one of my proposals was rejected 1 month after a status date change. Another one that was triaged took NSF 2 months after the status date change to send me the notification.
Quote from: research_prof on March 03, 2021, 11:31:04 AM
Quote from: HunterNC on March 03, 2021, 10:54:11 AM
Mine is in the CMMI AM program, had a Fastlane status date change back in Jan, PD remains the same. No contact from PD requesting anything.
My guess is a decline is on the way. But it's almost two months after the status date change. Does anyone have any similar experience to share? Why does the PD hold on releasing the decline and/or review results?
I don't plan to reach out to the PD yet. It doesn't feel good in the limbo. Thanks.
Yes, since COVID started, one of my proposals was rejected 1 month after a status date change. Another one that was triaged took NSF 2 months after the status date change to send me the notification.
Yes for me too. Two of my proposals were declined months after the status date changed. I do not know why PDs are holding the decline notices so long. My guess is that to be declined proposals are of low priority to a PD.
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on March 03, 2021, 03:17:24 PM
Quote from: research_prof on March 03, 2021, 11:31:04 AM
Quote from: HunterNC on March 03, 2021, 10:54:11 AM
Mine is in the CMMI AM program, had a Fastlane status date change back in Jan, PD remains the same. No contact from PD requesting anything.
My guess is a decline is on the way. But it's almost two months after the status date change. Does anyone have any similar experience to share? Why does the PD hold on releasing the decline and/or review results?
I don't plan to reach out to the PD yet. It doesn't feel good in the limbo. Thanks.
Yes, since COVID started, one of my proposals was rejected 1 month after a status date change. Another one that was triaged took NSF 2 months after the status date change to send me the notification.
Yes for me too. Two of my proposals were declined months after the status date changed. I do not know why PDs are holding the decline notices so long. My guess is that to be declined proposals are of low priority to a PD.
Yup.
Quote from: HunterNC on March 03, 2021, 10:54:11 AM
Mine is in the CMMI AM program, had a Fastlane status date change back in Jan, PD remains the same. No contact from PD requesting anything.
My guess is a decline is on the way. But it's almost two months after the status date change. Does anyone have any similar experience to share? Why does the PD hold on releasing the decline and/or review results?
I don't plan to reach out to the PD yet. It doesn't feel good in the limbo. Thanks.
Yep. Same boat, but different program (HDBE) and no status changes since August. :-/
Has anyone heard anything from "Physics of Living Systems" (PoLS)?
Quote from: xamxam on March 17, 2021, 11:23:42 AM
Has anyone heard anything from "Physics of Living Systems" (PoLS)?
Yes.
https://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=2118561&HistoricalAwards=false
Quote from: aspiring.academic on March 17, 2021, 01:26:18 PM
Quote from: xamxam on March 17, 2021, 11:23:42 AM
Has anyone heard anything from "Physics of Living Systems" (PoLS)?
Yes.
https://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=2118561&HistoricalAwards=false
Thanks, but that is not a new award. It is actually a transfer since the PI moved schools.
Quote from: xamxam on March 17, 2021, 11:23:42 AM
Has anyone heard anything from "Physics of Living Systems" (PoLS)?
Two CAREER awards have showed up so far for HDBE.
To CAREER awardee in Engineering: Have you guys attended NSF Engineering CAREER workshop before? Any idea how it goes?
Quote from: Vid on March 20, 2021, 09:07:13 PM
Quote from: xamxam on March 17, 2021, 11:23:42 AM
Has anyone heard anything from "Physics of Living Systems" (PoLS)?
Two CAREER awards have showed up so far for HDBE.
To CAREER awardee in Engineering: Have you guys attended NSF Engineering CAREER workshop before? Any idea how it goes?
Seems like both are jointly funded. One HDBE+DRMS and the other HDBE+CIS.
Best of luck to anyone still waiting for decisions.
Congratulations to all who have been awarded...it's time to get to work!
my program hasn't sent out any awards..... so still waiting....
Just back on to say that I am still waiting for the final award. Timeline is really slow! Almost 4 months from initial contact from the program officer. I feel like I've been holding my breath for 4 months. But it's got to be close now!!
Quote from: Vid on March 20, 2021, 09:07:13 PM
To CAREER awardee in Engineering: Have you guys attended NSF Engineering CAREER workshop before? Any idea how it goes?
Yes, it was incredibly helpful. Definitely go! I went in person, I don't know how the online versions work. It was 2 days very well spent.
The most helpful part was hearing directly from my NSF sub-program on specific nuances that they expect in our proposals. This changed my approach to the proposal entirely.
You also get a chance to meet the PMs.
An afternoon includes feedback on your draft from 5-6 other attendees at the workshop. The feedback I got on my research was just so-so since the 5 weren't in my field, but learning from them still helped me refine my messaging, especially on how to frame my educational activities.
I signed up for this year (its being held remotely). However, somehow I didnt make the cut of 300 who will get the feedback.
No idea what criteria they use to shortlist ??
Quote from: EngineeringProfessor on March 25, 2021, 11:21:48 AM
Quote from: Vid on March 20, 2021, 09:07:13 PM
EngineeringProfessor: Did you share your proposal with the workshop organizers and got their feedback on your proposal? It's virtual this year, I heard it is very competitive.
Also did you attend the Mock Panel Session, as well?
Thank you
To CAREER awardee in Engineering: Have you guys attended NSF Engineering CAREER workshop before? Any idea how it goes?
Yes, it was incredibly helpful. Definitely go! I went in person, I don't know how the online versions work. It was 2 days very well spent.
The most helpful part was hearing directly from my NSF sub-program on specific nuances that they expect in our proposals. This changed my approach to the proposal entirely.
You also get a chance to meet the PMs.
An afternoon includes feedback on your draft from 5-6 other attendees at the workshop. The feedback I got on my research was just so-so since the 5 weren't in my field, but learning from them still helped me refine my messaging, especially on how to frame my educational activities.
Quote from: born_a_prof on March 25, 2021, 12:18:32 PM
I signed up for this year (its being held remotely). However, somehow I didnt make the cut of 300 who will get the feedback.
No idea what criteria they use to shortlist ??
These are the criteria:
Mock panel participation will be selected based on: a) applicability of the proposed research to the Directorate for Engineering, b) timeliness and completeness of the application, and c) preference given to those who have not previously attended an NSF Engineering CAREER workshop.
They typically select second and third try applicants (their CAREER proposal declined one or two times).
I know thats what it says on the criteria. But I am anan engineering professor who applied before deadline, and never attended before.
It is my first try though, so I guess that did me in ?
Quote from: born_a_prof on March 26, 2021, 11:13:29 AM
I know thats what it says on the criteria. But I am anan engineering professor who applied before deadline, and never attended before.
It is my first try though, so I guess that did me in ?
yes they selected second and third try applicants. there is very low chance for the first try applicant (this's what I heard, though!).
Best
I don't know the rhyme or reason for workshop selection and subsequent time with PDs.
- Attended workshop and was selected to meet with PDs 2017, 2018 & 2019
- First CAREER submission: 2019, Result: Declined
- Skipped 2020 virtual CAREER workshop
- Second CAREER submission: 2020, Result: Funded
aspiring.academic; Wow, you attended the NSF CAREER workshop 3 times! Many, Many Congratulations.
Good luck to all NSF CAREER proposers this year!
Is there anyone still waiting for the Career result?
Me.
Date still shows August. Last year, the rejection from the same program came in around April 19th.
Quote from: lightofhope on April 08, 2021, 06:23:13 AM
Is there anyone still waiting for the Career result?
Me too. Last year received the rejection from the same program on June 9th.
Quote from: J.dodo1988 on April 08, 2021, 08:25:21 AM
Me.
Date still shows August. Last year, the rejection from the same program came in around April 19th.
Quote from: lightofhope on April 08, 2021, 06:23:13 AM
Is there anyone still waiting for the Career result?
Seriously? Did you reach out to PD afterward on why such a delay happened? Did the PD try to find funds to support you but failed, or just send out a decline letter late for no reason?
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on April 12, 2021, 01:34:24 PM
Me too. Last year received the rejection from the same program on June 9th.
Quote from: J.dodo1988 on April 08, 2021, 08:25:21 AM
Me.
Date still shows August. Last year, the rejection from the same program came in around April 19th.
Quote from: lightofhope on April 08, 2021, 06:23:13 AM
Is there anyone still waiting for the Career result?
The last cycle was an entire mess and a half. I submitted on 7/17/2019 and didn't get my reviews and decline until the end of June 2020. Due to the delay in getting a decision, I had less than two months to make revisions.
I've learned, especially for these annual competitions, not to wait for feedback or determination. You often know how the proposal could be improved and strengthened before receiving feedback from the panel. Additionally, the panel will change from year to year, so what's said in the feedback in 2019 may be different than in 2020.
I'm looking at a proposal I submitted back in November that doesn't have a decision. I'll be making edits and improvements in the upcoming weeks if it's not funded so I can quickly turn it around in November.
The PD doesn't owe an explanation, and they also won't confirm whether they were trying to find funds, at least not in writing. NSF also prides itself on the decisions not being late because the six-month timeframe is only an average, which is pretty frustrating with annual cycles. With the move to no deadlines for small projects, less than $500,000, the wait for a decision can be absurdly long.
I reached out to PD afterward. We did not discuss about the delay. I did not ask; PD did not talk about it. Knowing the reason of the delay would not improve my proposal. We just talked about reviewer comments. Seriously, you can't really do anything in this situation. Just hope that you are not in it.
Quote from: HunterNC on April 13, 2021, 09:06:59 AM
Seriously? Did you reach out to PD afterward on why such a delay happened? Did the PD try to find funds to support you but failed, or just send out a decline letter late for no reason?
Quote from: deeply_uncertain on April 12, 2021, 01:34:24 PM
Me too. Last year received the rejection from the same program on June 9th.
Quote from: J.dodo1988 on April 08, 2021, 08:25:21 AM
Me.
Date still shows August. Last year, the rejection from the same program came in around April 19th.
Quote from: lightofhope on April 08, 2021, 06:23:13 AM
Is there anyone still waiting for the Career result?
Quote from: aspiring.academic on April 13, 2021, 10:00:17 AM
The last cycle was an entire mess and a half. I submitted on 7/17/2019 and didn't get my reviews and decline until the end of June 2020. Due to the delay in getting a decision, I had less than two months to make revisions.
I've learned, especially for these annual competitions, not to wait for feedback or determination. You often know how the proposal could be improved and strengthened before receiving feedback from the panel. Additionally, the panel will change from year to year, so what's said in the feedback in 2019 may be different than in 2020.
I'm looking at a proposal I submitted back in November that doesn't have a decision. I'll be making edits and improvements in the upcoming weeks if it's not funded so I can quickly turn it around in November.
The PD doesn't owe an explanation, and they also won't confirm whether they were trying to find funds, at least not in writing. NSF also prides itself on the decisions not being late because the six-month timeframe is only an average, which is pretty frustrating with annual cycles. With the move to no deadlines for small projects, less than $500,000, the wait for a decision can be absurdly long.
Is the situation different for the programs without deadlines ?
How soon after panel has met can you expect to hear back ?
Quote from: born_a_prof on April 14, 2021, 11:34:06 AM
Quote from: aspiring.academic on April 13, 2021, 10:00:17 AM
The last cycle was an entire mess and a half. I submitted on 7/17/2019 and didn't get my reviews and decline until the end of June 2020. Due to the delay in getting a decision, I had less than two months to make revisions.
I've learned, especially for these annual competitions, not to wait for feedback or determination. You often know how the proposal could be improved and strengthened before receiving feedback from the panel. Additionally, the panel will change from year to year, so what's said in the feedback in 2019 may be different than in 2020.
I'm looking at a proposal I submitted back in November that doesn't have a decision. I'll be making edits and improvements in the upcoming weeks if it's not funded so I can quickly turn it around in November.
The PD doesn't owe an explanation, and they also won't confirm whether they were trying to find funds, at least not in writing. NSF also prides itself on the decisions not being late because the six-month timeframe is only an average, which is pretty frustrating with annual cycles. With the move to no deadlines for small projects, less than $500,000, the wait for a decision can be absurdly long.
Is the situation different for the programs without deadlines ?
How soon after panel has met can you expect to hear back ?
I've had it go both ways. Some came back very quickly and others were pending upwards of 9 months and either declined or funded at the end of the fiscal year.
I understand the logic of moving to no-deadline because sometimes there's money leftover at the end of the fiscal year, and as you know, that money doesn't rollover.
However, the downside can be a longer review process with your competitive proposal sitting around until near the end of the FY.
None of this applies to the CAREER though.
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The last cycle was an entire mess and a half. I submitted on 7/17/2019 and didn't get my reviews and decline until the end of June 2020. Due to the delay in getting a decision, I had less than two months to make revisions.
I've learned, especially for these annual competitions, not to wait for feedback or determination. You often know how the proposal could be improved and strengthened before receiving feedback from the panel. Additionally, the panel will change from year to year, so what's said in the feedback in 2019 may be different than in 2020.
I'm looking at a proposal I submitted back in November that doesn't have a decision. I'll be making edits and improvements in the upcoming weeks if it's not funded so I can quickly turn it around in November.
The PD doesn't owe an explanation, and they also won't confirm whether they were trying to find funds, at least not in writing. NSF also prides itself on the decisions not being late because the six-month timeframe is only an average, which is pretty frustrating with annual cycles. With the move to no deadlines for small projects, less than $500,000, the wait for a decision can be absurdly long.
Is the situation different for the programs without deadlines ?
How soon after panel has met can you expect to hear back ?
I've had it go both ways. Some came back very quickly and others were pending upwards of 9 months and either declined or funded at the end of the fiscal year.
I understand the logic of moving to no-deadline because sometimes there's money leftover at the end of the fiscal year, and as you know, that money doesn't rollover.
However, the downside can be a longer review process with your competitive proposal sitting around until near the end of the FY.
None of this applies to the CAREER though.
Does it mean that the proposals that "hang around" much longer after the panel meet are usually the competitive ones (on the edge ?)?
Not necessarily.
It depends on the program.
I'd like to reiterate — those situations do not apply to the CAREER program.
date changed today. no contact. expecting a rejection on the way. good luck to those still on the bubble.
Folks; does anyone know if NSF will be migrating completely to research.gov by July (CAREER submission time)? I read a news article that said NSF will soon migrate from Fastlane to Research.gov.
Thank you.
when you submit the proposal, the system will tell you whether this proposal can be submitted via fastlane or must be submitted via research.gov.
Quote from: Vid on April 22, 2021, 05:40:29 PM
Folks; does anyone know if NSF will be migrating completely to research.gov by July (CAREER submission time)? I read a news article that said NSF will soon migrate from Fastlane to Research.gov.
Thank you.
Quote from: Vid on April 22, 2021, 05:40:29 PM
Folks; does anyone know if NSF will be migrating completely to research.gov by July (CAREER submission time)? I read a news article that said NSF will soon migrate from Fastlane to Research.gov.
Thank you.
They've been "migrating" for four years. The transition was supposed to be completed before the end of 2020. To answer your question, NSF 20-525 (Faculty Early Career Development Program) can be submitted using either Fastlane, Research.gov, or Grants.gov this year.
Pro Tip: Use Research.gov because at some point it will be used exclusively. You might as well get acclimated to it.
Just saw my reviews, and totally discouraged. the program office invited the most negative and grumpy reviewer of the last round to review the proposal again (he gave good last round and fair this round), and the person's rating destroyed the whole thing. the person wrote an extremely long page of criticism that doesn't make any sense (already read it the third time) and these comments clearly indicate that the person did not bother reading the proposal, not even the most essential part. He said there was no proof of the concept, while evidence was listed in one major figure. The saddest thing is that this person is obviously very "powerful" in the field and you don't know who this person is and not having a chance to challenge his wrong accusations face to face. (Is inviting the most grumpy reviewer again a way the PO unfavors/destroys a proposal?) there are two other reviewers who gave excellent. All the rest gave useless generic comments and very good/good and good ratings. I have a feeling those generic comments come from viewing at my institution and my website instead of actually reading my proposal. They were just not impressed with "me". I admit I have my own prejudice here. This is heartbreaking how my Career application journey ended. I lost faith in NSF, not because I did not get the award, but because how my proposed work was treated in this round. I got no useful comments other than a stamp on me that I will not accept. From the last two rounds of reviews, it also seems NSF is not willing to fund innovative work with low-moderate risk. Rather they fund those who have done the same thing for years and years. Career is not meant to help one to establish a career in a new thing, but rather, is meant to award the past glories. I understood it wrong from the very beginning.
Thanks for all the useful comments here. Good luck to all in the community.
Quote from: J.dodo1988 on April 23, 2021, 09:42:42 AM
Just saw my reviews, and totally discouraged. the program office invited the most negative and grumpy reviewer of the last round to review the proposal again (he gave good last round and fair this round), and the person's rating destroyed the whole thing. the person wrote an extremely long page of criticism that doesn't make any sense (already read it the third time) and these comments clearly indicate that the person did not bother reading the proposal, not even the most essential part. He said there was no proof of the concept, while evidence was listed in one major figure. The saddest thing is that this person is obviously very "powerful" in the field and you don't know who this person is and not having a chance to challenge his wrong accusations face to face. (Is inviting the most grumpy reviewer again a way the PO unfavors/destroys a proposal?) there are two other reviewers who gave excellent. All the rest gave useless generic comments and very good/good and good ratings. I have a feeling those generic comments come from viewing at my institution and my website instead of actually reading my proposal. They were just not impressed with "me". I admit I have my own prejudice here. This is heartbreaking how my Career application journey ended. I lost faith in NSF, not because I did not get the award, but because how my proposed work was treated in this round. I got no useful comments other than a stamp on me that I will not accept. From the last two rounds of reviews, it also seems NSF is not willing to fund innovative work with low-moderate risk. Rather they fund those who have done the same thing for years and years. Career is not meant to help one to establish a career in a new thing, but rather, is meant to award the past glories. I understood it wrong from the very beginning.
Thanks for all the useful comments here. Good luck to all in the community.
Very sorry to hear that. Clearly one reviewer killed your proposal. Hard to take it. Don't let this define your career.
This is a huge bummer. I have had this experience with 1 person sinking it. The only positive is that if its 1 person really against it, that 1 person wont be your reviewer at all times in the future. I just got a proposal accepted on the 5th try -- 4th time I had 3 extremely positive reviewers and 1 extremely negative person whose comments didn't make sense at all (while I didn't address their concerns directly, I had preliminary data that had clearly showed I overcame those challenges). The PO "went with the average" so while I had 3 top scores and 1 super negative one, I lost out. Anyways that proposal was just funded (for more money!!). The only good thing about having a singular person against you is statistically you will not come up against that singular person in subsequent grant applications or paper reviews that often?
But just wanted to say I'm really sorry. This is a huge bummer.
Quote from: J.dodo1988 on April 23, 2021, 09:42:42 AM
Just saw my reviews, and totally discouraged. the program office invited the most negative and grumpy reviewer of the last round to review the proposal again (he gave good last round and fair this round), and the person's rating destroyed the whole thing. the person wrote an extremely long page of criticism that doesn't make any sense (already read it the third time) and these comments clearly indicate that the person did not bother reading the proposal, not even the most essential part. He said there was no proof of the concept, while evidence was listed in one major figure. The saddest thing is that this person is obviously very "powerful" in the field and you don't know who this person is and not having a chance to challenge his wrong accusations face to face. (Is inviting the most grumpy reviewer again a way the PO unfavors/destroys a proposal?) there are two other reviewers who gave excellent. All the rest gave useless generic comments and very good/good and good ratings. I have a feeling those generic comments come from viewing at my institution and my website instead of actually reading my proposal. They were just not impressed with "me". I admit I have my own prejudice here. This is heartbreaking how my Career application journey ended. I lost faith in NSF, not because I did not get the award, but because how my proposed work was treated in this round. I got no useful comments other than a stamp on me that I will not accept. From the last two rounds of reviews, it also seems NSF is not willing to fund innovative work with low-moderate risk. Rather they fund those who have done the same thing for years and years. Career is not meant to help one to establish a career in a new thing, but rather, is meant to award the past glories. I understood it wrong from the very beginning.
Thanks for all the useful comments here. Good luck to all in the community.
Quote from: J.dodo1988 on April 23, 2021, 09:42:42 AM
Just saw my reviews, and totally discouraged. the program office invited the most negative and grumpy reviewer of the last round to review the proposal again (he gave good last round and fair this round), and the person's rating destroyed the whole thing. the person wrote an extremely long page of criticism that doesn't make any sense (already read it the third time) and these comments clearly indicate that the person did not bother reading the proposal, not even the most essential part. He said there was no proof of the concept, while evidence was listed in one major figure. The saddest thing is that this person is obviously very "powerful" in the field and you don't know who this person is and not having a chance to challenge his wrong accusations face to face. (Is inviting the most grumpy reviewer again a way the PO unfavors/destroys a proposal?) there are two other reviewers who gave excellent. All the rest gave useless generic comments and very good/good and good ratings. I have a feeling those generic comments come from viewing at my institution and my website instead of actually reading my proposal. They were just not impressed with "me". I admit I have my own prejudice here. This is heartbreaking how my Career application journey ended. I lost faith in NSF, not because I did not get the award, but because how my proposed work was treated in this round. I got no useful comments other than a stamp on me that I will not accept. From the last two rounds of reviews, it also seems NSF is not willing to fund innovative work with low-moderate risk. Rather they fund those who have done the same thing for years and years. Career is not meant to help one to establish a career in a new thing, but rather, is meant to award the past glories. I understood it wrong from the very beginning.
Thanks for all the useful comments here. Good luck to all in the community.
J.dodo1988: So sorry to hear this. it's unfortunate, but you did your best! If you are in Engineering fields there is another program called ERI (you might hear about it before), see here https://www.nsf.gov/funding/pgm_summ.jsp?pims_id=505888&org=NSF
maybe worth to try if you meet the eligibility.
Best wishes to you.
Quote from: J.dodo1988 on April 23, 2021, 09:42:42 AM
Just saw my reviews, and totally discouraged. the program office invited the most negative and grumpy reviewer of the last round to review the proposal again (he gave good last round and fair this round), and the person's rating destroyed the whole thing. the person wrote an extremely long page of criticism that doesn't make any sense (already read it the third time) and these comments clearly indicate that the person did not bother reading the proposal, not even the most essential part. He said there was no proof of the concept, while evidence was listed in one major figure. The saddest thing is that this person is obviously very "powerful" in the field and you don't know who this person is and not having a chance to challenge his wrong accusations face to face. (Is inviting the most grumpy reviewer again a way the PO unfavors/destroys a proposal?) there are two other reviewers who gave excellent. All the rest gave useless generic comments and very good/good and good ratings. I have a feeling those generic comments come from viewing at my institution and my website instead of actually reading my proposal. They were just not impressed with "me". I admit I have my own prejudice here. This is heartbreaking how my Career application journey ended. I lost faith in NSF, not because I did not get the award, but because how my proposed work was treated in this round. I got no useful comments other than a stamp on me that I will not accept. From the last two rounds of reviews, it also seems NSF is not willing to fund innovative work with low-moderate risk. Rather they fund those who have done the same thing for years and years. Career is not meant to help one to establish a career in a new thing, but rather, is meant to award the past glories. I understood it wrong from the very beginning.
Thanks for all the useful comments here. Good luck to all in the community.
I know this feeling well, especially the part about wondering if ppl are superficially judging you based on your institution.
Not sure you are yet to the point of wanting advice (IMO it's ok to stew a little in your anger if it helps you feel better), but my suggestion is always: apply for >10 proposals per year, vary widely across funding agencies and mechanisms, don't take reviews too seriously beyond what is needed to get the funding, accept the absurd randomness of it all. All paths of proposal grief lead to "revise and resubmit".
Thank you all so much, for the kind response and advice! Will pick up myself and think of ways to have this work funded. That is most important.
just realized my status got changed on Apr 27 and now is pending
Quote from: J.dodo1988 on April 23, 2021, 09:42:42 AM
Just saw my reviews, and totally discouraged. the program office invited the most negative and grumpy reviewer of the last round to review the proposal again (he gave good last round and fair this round), and the person's rating destroyed the whole thing. the person wrote an extremely long page of criticism that doesn't make any sense (already read it the third time) and these comments clearly indicate that the person did not bother reading the proposal, not even the most essential part. He said there was no proof of the concept, while evidence was listed in one major figure. The saddest thing is that this person is obviously very "powerful" in the field and you don't know who this person is and not having a chance to challenge his wrong accusations face to face. (Is inviting the most grumpy reviewer again a way the PO unfavors/destroys a proposal?) there are two other reviewers who gave excellent. All the rest gave useless generic comments and very good/good and good ratings. I have a feeling those generic comments come from viewing at my institution and my website instead of actually reading my proposal. They were just not impressed with "me". I admit I have my own prejudice here. This is heartbreaking how my Career application journey ended. I lost faith in NSF, not because I did not get the award, but because how my proposed work was treated in this round. I got no useful comments other than a stamp on me that I will not accept. From the last two rounds of reviews, it also seems NSF is not willing to fund innovative work with low-moderate risk. Rather they fund those who have done the same thing for years and years. Career is not meant to help one to establish a career in a new thing, but rather, is meant to award the past glories. I understood it wrong from the very beginning.
Thanks for all the useful comments here. Good luck to all in the community.
My first and only DOE early career proposal was declined. One of the reviewers said that this guy did A, B, and C ... I have never worked on A, B, and C, and these things are totally not related to my research and certainly were not mentioned in my proposal at all. I talked to the DOE PM about it. The PM gave me a standard response that next time you should make it very clear what you did in the past in the proposal so that you would not be mistaken as another guy. PM thought maybe the reviewer confused my name with another guy. But that's it. The PM couldn't do anything.
Finally my Career status changed to "recommended"!
Your DOE career proposal, was it this year or last year?
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Quote from: J.dodo1988 on April 23, 2021, 09:42:42 AM
Just saw my reviews, and totally discouraged. the program office invited the most negative and grumpy reviewer of the last round to review the proposal again (he gave good last round and fair this round), and the person's rating destroyed the whole thing. the person wrote an extremely long page of criticism that doesn't make any sense (already read it the third time) and these comments clearly indicate that the person did not bother reading the proposal, not even the most essential part. He said there was no proof of the concept, while evidence was listed in one major figure. The saddest thing is that this person is obviously very "powerful" in the field and you don't know who this person is and not having a chance to challenge his wrong accusations face to face. (Is inviting the most grumpy reviewer again a way the PO unfavors/destroys a proposal?) there are two other reviewers who gave excellent. All the rest gave useless generic comments and very good/good and good ratings. I have a feeling those generic comments come from viewing at my institution and my website instead of actually reading my proposal. They were just not impressed with "me". I admit I have my own prejudice here. This is heartbreaking how my Career application journey ended. I lost faith in NSF, not because I did not get the award, but because how my proposed work was treated in this round. I got no useful comments other than a stamp on me that I will not accept. From the last two rounds of reviews, it also seems NSF is not willing to fund innovative work with low-moderate risk. Rather they fund those who have done the same thing for years and years. Career is not meant to help one to establish a career in a new thing, but rather, is meant to award the past glories. I understood it wrong from the very beginning.
Thanks for all the useful comments here. Good luck to all in the community.
My first and only DOE early career proposal was declined. One of the reviewers said that this guy did A, B, and C ... I have never worked on A, B, and C, and these things are totally not related to my research and certainly were not mentioned in my proposal at all. I talked to the DOE PM about it. The PM gave me a standard response that next time you should make it very clear what you did in the past in the proposal so that you would not be mistaken as another guy. PM thought maybe the reviewer confused my name with another guy. But that's it. The PM couldn't do anything.