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Quote from: dismalist on Today at 08:31:28 AM

QuoteIn announcing the change, M.I.T.'s president, Sally Kornbluth, said diversity statements constituted a form of compelled speech that do not work.

If they don't work, they wouldn't have to be abolished. Problem is they do work in selecting faculty.

I wonder how MIT worded the request so that it appeared to be compelled speech.

Our prompt is along the lines of, "What kinds of diverse students have you taught, and how have you investigated and responded to potential obstacles to their learning and full participation in class?"
That is no more compelled speech than asking what kind of grants people have applied to and how their applications responded to the individual needs of diverse sponsors.

And when did you stop beating your wife?

Asking candidates questions regarding things you actually care about is what the candidate selection process is all about. There might be disagreement over whether DEI questions themselves are always important, but that doesn't mean they are inappropriate.

Quote from: dismalist on Today at 08:31:28 AM

QuoteIn announcing the change, M.I.T.'s president, Sally Kornbluth, said diversity statements constituted a form of compelled speech that do not work.

If they don't work, they wouldn't have to be abolished. Problem is they do work in selecting faculty.

I wonder how MIT worded the request so that it appeared to be compelled speech.

Our prompt is along the lines of, "What kinds of diverse students have you taught, and how have you investigated and responded to potential obstacles to their learning and full participation in class?"
That is no more compelled speech than asking what kind of grants people have applied to and how their applications responded to the individual needs of diverse sponsors.

Quote from: marshwiggle on May 03, 2024, 05:40:36 PM

Quote from: darkstarrynight on May 03, 2024, 10:48:22 AMAs someone who used to work in an academic integrity office at my previous institution, I can share on this. That institution had the policy that students could submit work to two courses if they had the permission of both instructors. While it could happen in the same semester, there were situations in which students had a paper from a previous semester that would fit an assignment in the current semester, so they would still be required to contact the previous class's instructor for permission as well as the current instructor's. I do not suggest this is a perfect solution, but it does remove concerns that arise from something like TurnItIn if the current instructor is unaware of the previous course's assignment.

What possible objection could a former instructor have? If a student wrote an essay or short story for a course, should they have to get the prof's permission if later in life they want to publish it???? Does it cease to be the student's own intellectual property once its been submitted for a course???

Good point. I think it may help, for example, in the situation that the student had an academic integrity violation in the previous course, and the current instructor would not know that.

Do you have to let this student make up this class?

After more heavy rain Sunday night and last night, the air feels like a damp sponge.  More heavy storms to come tomorrow night, after heading to the upper 80s today and tomorrow.

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Quote from: dismalist on Today at 08:31:28 AM

QuoteIn announcing the change, M.I.T.'s president, Sally Kornbluth, said diversity statements constituted a form of compelled speech that do not work.

If they don't work, they wouldn't have to be abolished. Problem is they do work in selecting faculty.

I disagree. I have seen some that were so cringeworthy we were able to avoid wasting our time interviewing the candidate.

Why were they cringeworthy?  What does someone say in a DEI statement that is so wrong it eliminates them as a job candidate?

Sounds like a student with issues that go beyond simple laziness and disorganization.  Glad your chair backs you in cases like this.

Quote from: dismalist on Today at 08:31:28 AM

QuoteIn announcing the change, M.I.T.'s president, Sally Kornbluth, said diversity statements constituted a form of compelled speech that do not work.

If they don't work, they wouldn't have to be abolished. Problem is they do work in selecting faculty.

I disagree. I have seen some that were so cringeworthy we were able to avoid wasting our time interviewing the candidate.

Good afternoon from Sarlat!

Keeping up with puzzles but not the computer. QBwH and a 2fer for today.

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