Here's a new one

[secundem_artem]

A home across the street from us has recently been converted into an AirBnB.  So far, not really a problem.

Yesterday, we heard a bunch of very loud what could only be Harley Davidson motorcycles.  I looked out the window to see them coming up the street and enter the driveway of the BnB.

At which point I observed they were all fully patched in members of Hells Angels. 

No wonder that AirBnB has the reputation of being an overly expensive neighbor from hell.

[apl68]

Unfortunately it sounds like that neighborhood house may be in the process of being turned into an AirBnB party house.  A lot of destination cities like New Orleans are said to have them all over the place now.

There's something to be said about living in an isolated small town that's not at or near a "destination" location.

[ciao_yall]

Unfortunately it sounds like that neighborhood house may be in the process of being turned into an AirBnB party house.  A lot of destination cities like New Orleans are said to have them all over the place now.

There's something to be said about living in an isolated small town that's not at or near a "destination" location.

And why I refuse to stay in AirBnB. That company is a scourge.

[Sea_Ice]

Yuck!  I'd be looking for anything in the zoning or other regulations that could be used to shut the place down.

[apl68]

Unfortunately it sounds like that neighborhood house may be in the process of being turned into an AirBnB party house.  A lot of destination cities like New Orleans are said to have them all over the place now.

There's something to be said about living in an isolated small town that's not at or near a "destination" location.

And why I refuse to stay in AirBnB. That company is a scourge.

That and any number of other Silicon Valley giants.  When the innovators in the tech industry say "move fast, break things," they really mean it.  I wish Congress and the courts would empower federal regulators to take a sledgehammer to all of those destructive giants.

[dismalist]

I don't get what all the hubbub is about. Of course Airbnb rentals have to conform to local ordinances, including those that control for noise.

This seems more like a case of "neighborhood is going down the tubes" because strangers are moving in.

[marshwiggle]

I don't get what all the hubbub is about. Of course Airbnb rentals have to conform to local ordinances, including those that control for noise.

This seems more like a case of "neighborhood is going down the tubes" because strangers are moving in.

The problem is the vague apportionment of responsibility between "guests", (e.g. bikers), property owners, and AirBnB. It's really hard to HAMMER Airbnb for listing places that are party houses; basically whack-a-mole, since owners can probably just keep creating new accounts if they get removed, and calling police on one set of "guests" doesn't prevent the next "guests" from doing the same (or worse).

There need to be MAJOR financial penalties to AirBnB for *hosting these places, so they're a financial liability.

(*Of course, they'll claim they have NO IDEA that that's what some places are going to be used for!!!)

[dismalist]

I don't get what all the hubbub is about. Of course Airbnb rentals have to conform to local ordinances, including those that control for noise.

This seems more like a case of "neighborhood is going down the tubes" because strangers are moving in.

The problem is the vague apportionment of responsibility between "guests", (e.g. bikers), property owners, and AirBnB. It's really hard to HAMMER Airbnb for listing places that are party houses; basically whack-a-mole, since owners can probably just keep creating new accounts if they get removed, and calling police on one set of "guests" doesn't prevent the next "guests" from doing the same (or worse).

There need to be MAJOR financial penalties to AirBnB for *hosting these places, so they're a financial liability.

(*Of course, they'll claim they have NO IDEA that that's what some places are going to be used for!!!)

You call the authorities on the owners, of course, as you would in any non-Bnb situation. Not knowing is not a defense. This is no different from having sentient neighbors. Get a lawyer, as in any other such case if necessary.

No, it's the neighborhood going down the tubes on account of some undesirables. Somebody ought to pass a law ... !

NIMBY now, NIMBY tomorrow, NIMBY forever.

[secundem_artem]

I don't get what all the hubbub is about. Of course Airbnb rentals have to conform to local ordinances, including those that control for noise.

This seems more like a case of "neighborhood is going down the tubes" because strangers are moving in.

The problem is the vague apportionment of responsibility between "guests", (e.g. bikers), property owners, and AirBnB. It's really hard to HAMMER Airbnb for listing places that are party houses; basically whack-a-mole, since owners can probably just keep creating new accounts if they get removed, and calling police on one set of "guests" doesn't prevent the next "guests" from doing the same (or worse).

There need to be MAJOR financial penalties to AirBnB for *hosting these places, so they're a financial liability.

(*Of course, they'll claim they have NO IDEA that that's what some places are going to be used for!!!)

You call the authorities on the owners, of course, as you would in any non-Bnb situation. Not knowing is not a defense. This is no different from having sentient neighbors. Get a lawyer, as in any other such case if necessary.

No, it's the neighborhood going down the tubes on account of some undesirables. Somebody ought to pass a law ... !

NIMBY now, NIMBY tomorrow, NIMBY forever.

So let 'em move in next door to you. 

I set up an account on BnB and contacted the owner.  Pretty much got told to piss off.

[dismalist]

I don't get what all the hubbub is about. Of course Airbnb rentals have to conform to local ordinances, including those that control for noise.

This seems more like a case of "neighborhood is going down the tubes" because strangers are moving in.

The problem is the vague apportionment of responsibility between "guests", (e.g. bikers), property owners, and AirBnB. It's really hard to HAMMER Airbnb for listing places that are party houses; basically whack-a-mole, since owners can probably just keep creating new accounts if they get removed, and calling police on one set of "guests" doesn't prevent the next "guests" from doing the same (or worse).

There need to be MAJOR financial penalties to AirBnB for *hosting these places, so they're a financial liability.

(*Of course, they'll claim they have NO IDEA that that's what some places are going to be used for!!!)

You call the authorities on the owners, of course, as you would in any non-Bnb situation. Not knowing is not a defense. This is no different from having sentient neighbors. Get a lawyer, as in any other such case if necessary.

No, it's the neighborhood going down the tubes on account of some undesirables. Somebody ought to pass a law ... !

NIMBY now, NIMBY tomorrow, NIMBY forever.

So let 'em move in next door to you. 

I set up an account on BnB and contacted the owner.  Pretty much got told to piss off.

As I said, get a lawyer. They clear up property rights during peacetime.

This kind 'o shit happens all the time in big cities. Welcome to the real world.

Apparently, Swiss villagers have a way of telling outsiders they are not welcome. One could do the same here, if one wanted.

Much ado about nothing.

[ciao_yall]

I don't get what all the hubbub is about. Of course Airbnb rentals have to conform to local ordinances, including those that control for noise.

This seems more like a case of "neighborhood is going down the tubes" because strangers are moving in.

Because they don't conform and don't care.

[marshwiggle]

I don't get what all the hubbub is about. Of course Airbnb rentals have to conform to local ordinances, including those that control for noise.

This seems more like a case of "neighborhood is going down the tubes" because strangers are moving in.

The problem is the vague apportionment of responsibility between "guests", (e.g. bikers), property owners, and AirBnB. It's really hard to HAMMER Airbnb for listing places that are party houses; basically whack-a-mole, since owners can probably just keep creating new accounts if they get removed, and calling police on one set of "guests" doesn't prevent the next "guests" from doing the same (or worse).

There need to be MAJOR financial penalties to AirBnB for *hosting these places, so they're a financial liability.

(*Of course, they'll claim they have NO IDEA that that's what some places are going to be used for!!!)

You call the authorities on the owners, of course, as you would in any non-Bnb situation. Not knowing is not a defense. This is no different from having sentient neighbors. Get a lawyer, as in any other such case if necessary.

Except the defense will be that the homeowner had NO IDEA this would happen, and AirBnB had NO IDEA this would happen, and so it's all just a one-off. The courts are highly unlikely to come down hard on anyone (if at all) under those circumstances.

[AmLitHist]

There were similar issues in downtown St. Louis in the past year:  in the rehabbed downtown loft district, several of the lofts were AirBnB'd as party places to local groups of teens/early 20s (and were rented in moms' names/credit cards). The neighbors in adjoining (very pricey) lofts repeatedly complained to the police, city hall, et al., with little effect. Then a young kid (early teens, as I recall) got shot to death at a party one night, and much wringing of hands, gnashing of teeth, "I didn't know my baby was there," and such ensued. The city board of aldermen then took up legislation to more tightly regulate short term rentals, though I don't recall all the specific rules offhand. The problem does seem to have been addressed somewhat, though. Still, closing the barn door after the horse was gone, etc.

As apl68 says, sometimes there are advantages to living in places like I do. As ALHS puts it, "Who in the hell would want to come here?" can be nice at times.