DIRE question

[Parasaurolophus]

What in tarnation are you  talkin' about, son?

I think marshy is largely agreeing that gender is a social construct.

[aside]

All syllabi at my university begin with a land acknowledgement, which acknowledges that our institution is built on the traditional, ancestral, and unceded lands of several First Nations.

Where in the world would this not be true? 

[Parasaurolophus]

All syllabi at my university begin with a land acknowledgement, which acknowledges that our institution is built on the traditional, ancestral, and unceded lands of several First Nations.

Where in the world would this not be true?

In places where there are no First Nations, or where the legally-binding treaties they signed with colonial powers were respected?

[marshwiggle]

All syllabi at my university begin with a land acknowledgement, which acknowledges that our institution is built on the traditional, ancestral, and unceded lands of several First Nations.

Where in the world would this not be true?

In places where there are no First Nations, or where the legally-binding treaties they signed with colonial powers were respected?

So basically where they were wiped out or assimilated centuries ago.

[writingprof]

All syllabi at my university begin with a land acknowledgement, which acknowledges that our institution is built on the traditional, ancestral, and unceded lands of several First Nations.

Where in the world would this not be true?

I almost wish my university would require this so I could be fired for standing on principle rather than for belonging to a dying non-STEM discipline with no students.

[Hibush]

All syllabi at my university begin with a land acknowledgement, which acknowledges that our institution is built on the traditional, ancestral, and unceded lands of several First Nations.

Where in the world would this not be true?

In places where there are no First Nations, or where the legally-binding treaties they signed with colonial powers were respected?

So basically where they were wiped out or assimilated centuries ago.

I sometimes argue the British descendants of Picts and Normans need to be acknowledging this, but that doesn't seem to get much traction.

[mamselle]

Um, didn't the Normans (1066) and Vikings (900s) invade the other guys?

So, the Normans were the latest of the oppressors, just after the Vikings, and both should be acknowledging their intrusions.

Oxford might set it up in Latin or Old English, but the original people (Britons, by my vague calculations?) may see those as oppressive languages as well.

So that might also be problematic.

M.

[marshwiggle]

Um, didn't the Normans (1066) and Vikings (900s) invade the other guys?

So, the Normans were the latest of the oppressors, just after the Vikings, and both should be acknowledging their intrusions.

Oxford might set it up in Latin or Old English, but the original people (Britons, by my vague calculations?) may see those as oppressive languages as well.

So that might also be problematic.

M.

As I understand it, when the Saxons invaded, they pushed the native Britons to the west, and they referred to them (very ironically) as foreigners, ("welsic"), from where we get "Welch".

[Hibush]

Um, didn't the Normans (1066) and Vikings (900s) invade the other guys?

So, the Normans were the latest of the oppressors, just after the Vikings, and both should be acknowledging their intrusions.

Oxford might set it up in Latin or Old English, but the original people (Britons, by my vague calculations?) may see those as oppressive languages as well.

So that might also be problematic.

M.

The Picts invaded Roman Britain from the north a millennium earlier. Not all that successfully, granted. But it is hard to sort out who is the oppressor.

It is probably no less complicated to figure out who is oppressing the indigenous Belgians.

[Parasaurolophus]

The difference, of course, is that (1) First Nations still exist qua peoples and (2) they still have legally-binding treaties with the State which are supposed to be in effect (or, in some cases, the State is legally required to seek out such agreements with them). They're extant groups of people indigenous to the region, and they have modern legal claims on the State.

The Picts and Scotii, by contrast, have none of that. They don't exist any more.

It is probably no less complicated to figure out who is oppressing the indigenous Belgians.

It has nothing to do with Indigeneity, but until recent decades the Flemish majority was oppressed by the Walloon minority.

[mamselle]

But around 1586, I think it was, the Flemish were given Holland, and told to stay out of Belgium. Instead, they kept coming in and speaking Dutch until there were enough of them to get it made an official language.

My Waloon cousins see this very much more like the rabbits out-breeding the koalas and then claiming hegemony by numbers of offspring alone.

To mix metaphors.

M.

[Anselm]

All syllabi at my university begin with a land acknowledgement, which acknowledges that our institution is built on the traditional, ancestral, and unceded lands of several First Nations.

Where in the world would this not be true?

Iceland may be the only place where the majority people are descended from the original settlers.  I also have  read that most Native Americans are not asking to get all of their historical territory back.

[Wahoo Redux]

As polemic practice, I used to ask my comp students why it was problematic to use "Indians" as a mascot but not "Vikings." Usually I had to lead them through the context.  I cannot believe that some people could not see the problem with "Redskins."

I used to ask why we don't have, say, the Notre Dame "Popes" as a football team or the Mississippi U "Slave Owners" or the New York "Rabbis."

[mamselle]

With a mind to increasing class participation more evenly, and drawing on the deeper dimensions of class experience in a setting where extreme diversity often already does exist (students in this program are very deliberately drawn for a wide variety of places and backgrounds) and input from those students is very pertinent to how the class goes, the depth of the subject matter, and all students' growth in the progress of the course and program, this app has been developed to encourage more divisionally-blind selection of students for class participation:

   https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2020/9/21/teachly-app-class-participation/

The primary focus discussed in the article is on gender, but the app can be set for a variety of categories and read-outs.

M.

[dismalist]

All syllabi at my university begin with a land acknowledgement, which acknowledges that our institution is built on the traditional, ancestral, and unceded lands of several First Nations.

Where in the world would this not be true?

Iceland may be the only place where the majority people are descended from the original settlers.  I also have  read that most Native Americans are not asking to get all of their historical territory back.

On the way to Iceland, the Norse stopped off in Ireland to take slaves. It could be that most women who originally wound up in Iceland were Irish slaves.