Mr and Mrs Trump rest positive for Covid-19

[onthefringe]

Well, the White House appears to be a COVID hotspot — perhaps he feels safer somewhere else.

[spork]

Why is Vice President Pence not in DC? In my opinion, given the circumstances, he is in too important a position to be traveling at this time.

Campaigning is more important than governing. And he doesn't need to be in DC to assume the presidency (or the powers thereof) because of the 25th Amendment.

[mamselle]

Maybe he doesn't need to be in WDC, per se, but travel is risky at the best of times; it might be wise to mitigate that risk atop all the others.

M.

[nebo113]

Pence is campaigning because he's been ordered to do so by his cult leader....

[apl68]

It just struck me...I wonder if he were sick before the debates, maybe even knew or suspected it.

That might explain the even-more-than-usual level of confusion and anger...either onset of feverish confusion (afebrile disease/dementia is common at his age) or just fury at being mortal, and infected...or some of both.

I also realized that my hope is he will come out of it redeemed and with at least something like a transformed sense of life, empathy and generosity of spirit.

I'd hoped something similar for Boris Johnson, but it doesn't seem to have happened, so I am looking at the likelihood of metanoia as uncertain, of course.

But it's at least a possibility worth hoping for.

M.

Saint Paul on the road to Damascus changes are pretty much unheard of.

I've seen changes on that scale in people that I know.  It can happen. 

But yes, it's exceedingly rare to see it in anybody who is influential and in the public eye.  They've already got it made in this world, so what do they need God for?  And sadly the President, whatever the hopes of some of his supporters and more generous-minded detractors, has shown overwhelming evidence of having this kind of attitude.

[mamselle]

Yes, if they don't see a reason to change, metanoia is less likely, I agree.

But if I'm going to put my prayers in any direction, that seems like the wisest and best thing to pray for.

In re: the discussion on Pence, this showed up in my newsfeed this AM:

   https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/04/president-pelosi-pence-shrugs-off-covid-risk-426219

And then I saw this:

   https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/05/politics/trump-secret-service-trip/index.html

Reading the statement at the end,

   "I'd have called security and asked for a psych eval to determine their mental health status and decision-making capacity,"

I thought "....would that someone had done that in 2016...."

M.

[jimbogumbo]

The President says he's checking out at 6:30. In my opinion this is a seriously bad idea. He talked about how much energy he has, but that pretty much ALWAYS happens when you have a hefty dose of steroids.

[Treehugger]

The President says he's checking out at 6:30. In my opinion this is a seriously bad idea. He talked about how much energy he has, but that pretty much ALWAYS happens when you have a hefty dose of steroids.

Yes, and now he is telling everyone that it's "no big deal" and that you shouldn't let Covid dominate your life. Great ....

Also, he is saying that he was brave to get Covid (you know instead of "cowering in his basement" like Biden). He is shameless. Also, clearly has a personality disorder. Plain as day.

[Parasaurolophus]

We'll see if he's readmitted in a few days/a week. The roller-coaster pattern seems to be pretty common. If he needs to be readmitted, he's probably in real trouble.

[Treehugger]

We'll see if he's readmitted in a few days/a week. The roller-coaster pattern seems to be pretty common. If he needs to be readmitted, he's probably in real trouble.

Thoughts and prayers ....


In case anyone is curious, here is Boris Johnson's CV timeline. His downturn came on the 11th day after diagnosis. Of course, treatments have improved since then and Trump got all of them, so ...

[Parasaurolophus]

Also worth remembering that he's not really being "discharged", since they're installing all that medical equipment in the WH.

As for thoughts and prayers, I have nothing kind to say, so I'll stay mum.

[Treehugger]

Also worth remembering that he's not really being "discharged", since they're installing all that medical equipment in the WH.

As for thoughts and prayers, I have nothing kind to say, so I'll stay mum.

Notice, I didn't say what the thoughts and prayers were for ...

[mahagonny]

Also worth remembering that he's not really being "discharged", since they're installing all that medical equipment in the WH.

As for thoughts and prayers, I have nothing kind to say, so I'll stay mum.

Notice, I didn't say what the thoughts and prayers were for ...

I recall years ago under GWBush it was reported that an ISIS terrosist had been killed in a shootout by USA gov't agents. They were 90% sure it was the man they thought it was. They didn't say 'Joy, he's dead.' They said 'if it's him obviously it would be a very good thing if he were out of business.'
I suppose if you prayed for the demise of a toxic leader, it means you consider us at war in some sense.
My problem with hating Trump is while he can be combative, rude and obnoxious he is more on the right side of some our current controversies than may others who should know better. Perhaps he was alway to arrogant to be taken in by the left's fixations.

[Ruralguy]

I wouldnt want the country to deal with a fallen leader right now.

Better for the man to lose the election, fade to obscurity and then oblivion.

[Sun_Worshiper]

I wouldnt want the country to deal with a fallen leader right now.

Better for the man to lose the election, fade to obscurity and then oblivion.

Couldn't agree more