2024 Elections

[marshwiggle]

Cardi B is an embarrassment to Biden, black America.

Who the frack is Cardi B? I clearly need to come down from my ivory tower more often.

Does the term "WAP" mean anything? WARNING! NSFW!

[marshwiggle]

I have no reason to believe that CHS is being insincere when she describes herself as 'feminist'. But given her views, it's hard to see exactly where the feminism comes in.

fem·i·nism

noun
the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.

That pretty much fits everything I've heard her say. 

[mahagonny]

Cardi B is an embarrassment to Biden, black America.

Who the frack is Cardi B? I clearly need to come down from my ivory tower more often.

A sordid topic that Joe Biden uses to hijack your otherwise fine thread.

Owens:

Cardi B is an embarrassment to Biden

Lol at this.

What a courageous truth teller she is! Definitely not a troll and partisan hack.

My experience with all kinds of people is that they may be very good at pointing out the flaws and incosistencies from the other side, but much more defensive about the problems on their own side. It correlates highly (in my experience) with how partisan they are. The best analyses come from people who say things like "I would have described myself as [X], but.." because the "side" they would have previously considered themselves part of do things which they can't support, while they obviously are similarly opposed to the offenses on the "other" side.

An example would be Christina Hoff Summers, who describes herself as the "Factual Feminist"; while she would refer to herself as a feminist, she challenges arguments made by feminists which are not evidence-based.

Sure, but as long as there are Americans who refuse to understand that Cardi-B is an arrogant low life who purports to represent black America by selling pornography to your children, whoever steps in to say it, loudly and clearly, deserves the credit.

[Parasaurolophus]

I have no reason to believe that CHS is being insincere when she describes herself as 'feminist'. But given her views, it's hard to see exactly where the feminism comes in.

fem·i·nism

noun
the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.

That pretty much fits everything I've heard her say.

Your dictionary doesn't paint a very comprehensive picture. It paints a similarly overgeneral picture of other names of movements, such as 'liberal', 'conservative', 'libertarian', etc. For example:

lib-er-tair-ee-uhn

noun

a person who advocates liberty, especially with regard to thought or conduct.

That fits everything you've ever heard me say, and yet...


I'll concede she may well be a first-wave feminist. But as far as I can tell, that's where her commitments end. And we moved beyond the first wave decades ago. If you want a better feminist-but-critical hero, try Kathleen Stock. She, at least, is clearly a feminist. (She's wrong about stuff, too, but at least she legitimately has the cred.)

[marshwiggle]

fem·i·nism

noun
the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.

That pretty much fits everything I've heard her say.

I'll concede she may well be a first-wave feminist. But as far as I can tell, that's where her commitments end. And we moved beyond the first wave decades ago. If you want a better feminist-but-critical hero, try Kathleen Stock. She, at least, is clearly a feminist. (She's wrong about stuff, too, but at least she legitimately has the cred.)

I hadn't come across Kathleen Stock before, but looked at some of her stuff. Can you give an example of an area where she "qualifies" as a feminist and Christina Hoff Summers doesn't?

[writingprof]

Cardi B is an embarrassment to Biden, black America.

Who the frack is Cardi B? I clearly need to come down from my ivory tower more often.

Does the term "WAP" mean anything? WARNING! NSFW!

My god. I blame you for what I just learned, Marshwiggle.

Edited to say: No, clearly rap music hasn't degraded American culture. What a racist absurdity that would be.

[marshwiggle]

Cardi B is an embarrassment to Biden, black America.

Who the frack is Cardi B? I clearly need to come down from my ivory tower more often.

Does the term "WAP" mean anything? WARNING! NSFW!

My god. I blame you for what I just learned, Marshwiggle.

You were warned. Although, to be fair, it's still kind of a big step beyond even something like Anaconda. AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, THINK CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU LET YOUR CURIOSITY GET THE BETTER OF YOU.

[Parasaurolophus]

I hadn't come across Kathleen Stock before, but looked at some of her stuff. Can you give an example of an area where she "qualifies" as a feminist and Christina Hoff Summers doesn't?

She accepts most of the insights and projects of second- and third-wave feminism. CHS is stuck in the first wave (at best). More, it's pretty clear that Stock is conversant in those issues; it's not clear to me that CHS is. IMO CHS is not much more than a shock-jock.

That said, KS's current crusade has seen her say some pretty staggeringly ugly and ignorant things.

[mahagonny]

Edited to say: No, clearly rap music hasn't degraded American culture. What a racist absurdity that would be.

Racist and also unsophisticated. As Dr. Sowell explains, trash black culture is the real black culture, according to some.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e7a1hNZ7AI
or:     https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&feature=share&v=H6ImP-gJvas