I heard that once you are up for tenure you should also be in the market. Why?

[Sun_Worshiper]

Reasons I'll be selectively on the market when I go up this year:

• Contingency plan in case of denial
• Harder to move after tenure
• Leverage for larger pay bump with promotion
• Outside offer can expedite the process

Also something to be said for testing your market value, although I've already gotten a sense for that in previous job market cycles.

[polly_mer]

There are no professional denigrators of groundskeeping staff, janitors, et al.

So why then don't people who want to be paid more with benefits to be employed at a given institution take the janitorial job and then adjunct on the side?  After all, if janitor is a great job equal to being faculty, then why would anyone not be a full-time employee with benefits and then teach for a little extra money as a good second choice if one cannot be full-time faculty due to limited slots?

[mahagonny]

There are no professional denigrators of groundskeeping staff, janitors, et al.

So why then don't people who want to be paid more with benefits to be employed at a given institution take the janitorial job and then adjunct on the side?  After all, if janitor is a great job equal to being faculty, then why would anyone not be a full-time employee with benefits and then teach for a little extra money as a good second choice if one cannot be full-time faculty due to limited slots?

I see polly mer wants to discuss adjunct faculty.

I don't know that they don't. I could consider it given the right circumstances. Furthermore, I've know former adjunct faculty who are in new careers, too. So what. While they are still adjunct faculty they still should have their right to self advocacy which is something you will never understand.

[polly_mer]

There are no professional denigrators of groundskeeping staff, janitors, et al.

So why then don't people who want to be paid more with benefits to be employed at a given institution take the janitorial job and then adjunct on the side?  After all, if janitor is a great job equal to being faculty, then why would anyone not be a full-time employee with benefits and then teach for a little extra money as a good second choice if one cannot be full-time faculty due to limited slots?

I see polly mer wants to discuss adjunct faculty.

I don't know that they don't. I could consider it given the right circumstances. Furthermore, I've know former adjunct faculty who are in new careers, too. So what. While they are still adjunct faculty they still should have their right to self advocacy which is something you will never understand.

Faculty are supposed to be management: in charge of curriculum and other academic affairs.  Unionizing against management when one is in the management category doesn't work.  If a faculty member really is just a worker bee employee like a janitor and needs to organize, then that faculty member is doing it wrong and would be better off in the actual employee category that can organize the workers against management.

[mahagonny]

There are no professional denigrators of groundskeeping staff, janitors, et al.

So why then don't people who want to be paid more with benefits to be employed at a given institution take the janitorial job and then adjunct on the side?  After all, if janitor is a great job equal to being faculty, then why would anyone not be a full-time employee with benefits and then teach for a little extra money as a good second choice if one cannot be full-time faculty due to limited slots?

I see polly mer wants to discuss adjunct faculty.

I don't know that they don't. I could consider it given the right circumstances. Furthermore, I've know former adjunct faculty who are in new careers, too. So what. While they are still adjunct faculty they still should have their right to self advocacy which is something you will never understand.

Faculty are supposed to be management: in charge of curriculum and other academic affairs.  Unionizing against management when one is in the management category doesn't work.  If a faculty member really is just a worker bee employee like a janitor and needs to organize, then that faculty member is doing it wrong and would be better off in the actual employee category that can organize the workers against management.

Reader: didn't I tell you?
I've got better things to do today than fuck around with this piece of work.