Where do Republicans go from here?

[mamselle]

Mahagonny's just waiting for Godot.

M.

[mahagonny]

No s**t racists are everywhere, but only one party's presidential candidate made it central to their election/re-election platform.

That would be the democratic party that maintains that all demographics end up with equal academic success and wealth or else someone is racist. Unless Asian Americans end up with more success. in that case disregard.

Wrong. That would be the Republican party.

This is where we disagree. There is racism on the left, and it is unacknowledged. If you believe that, despite the fact that slavery dates back to biblical times and has been practiced against the enslaved by all races, white people should be singled out for their having practiced it, and we need a radical way to implement that idea such as indoctrinating our young children in public school about the sin of being white, then you are racist.

What? Because I weather-proofed myself against the storm of Conservative dismantling and erosion of the academy? I'm the enemy and the hypocrite? The Republicans are the ones that gutted higher ed and left scraps for all of us to fight over. The Liberals that you loathe that hold the positions that you don't have, are just the survivors. We don't love this system any more than you do, and at least at my university, we've always been working to achieve faculty equity.

Uh, like hell, professor. The tenure track is absolutely resigned to the regular use of the segmented labor system. All you have to do is pay attention to what people do as opposed to what they say about themselves. A good idea anyway.

OK, check in with me in eight years, if you dare. Race is YOUR fixation. YOU are the one that brought up race with the African-American Republican presidential nominee.

I was told there is a thing called white fragility and that for some reason it is difficult for white people to talk about race. So here and there I may try to do something to correct that problem, race being on everyone's minds lately. But I may not say the things that certain people think they should be able to require me to say.

[mahagonny]

Mahagonny's just waiting for Godot.

M.

[lightning]

No s**t racists are everywhere, but only one party's presidential candidate made it central to their election/re-election platform.

That would be the democratic party that maintains that all demographics end up with equal academic success and wealth or else someone is racist. Unless Asian Americans end up with more success. in that case disregard.

Wrong. That would be the Republican party.

This is where we disagree. There is racism on the left, and it is unacknowledged. If you believe that, despite the fact that slavery dates back to biblical times and has been practiced against the enslaved by all races, white people should be singled out for their having practiced it, and we need a radical way to implement that idea such as indoctrinating our young children in public school about the sin of being white, then you are racist.

Actually we agree. Like I said to writingprof, racists are everywhere. But it's the Republicans that court those votes and make it central to their platform.

Once again you are trying to mitigate the heinous attempt by Republicans to capture the racist vote, by contextualizing racism within the broad sweep of the history of racism by saying slavery has been practices for centuries by all races and all people, therefore we shouldn't be singling out modern whites nor Republicans. But like I've said to you before, and I'm only here to say it to you again, using just one example, that would be the same as saying that Ashanti complicity in the West African slave trade, mitigates the atrocities committed by the Dutch and the English slave traders and the American slave owners, and mitigates the current Republican stance on race.

As for me being racist, I really tried my best to follow your logic. I got dumber the more I tried to empathize with you. First off, k-12 schools are not indoctrinating children into thinking that they are sinful, for being white.




Your turn. I can do this all day.

[Sun_Worshiper]

From CPAC, it sure looks like the GOP is doubling down on cult of Trump, conspiracy theories, and hard right authoritarianism. Not a good strategy for winning national elections.

[secundem_artem]

From CPAC, it sure looks like the GOP is doubling down on cult of Trump, conspiracy theories, and hard right authoritarianism. Not a good strategy for winning national elections.

You forgot to add in they've added worshipping false gods to their repertoire:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/02/golden-trump-statue-cpac-mexico.html

[Sun_Worshiper]

From CPAC, it sure looks like the GOP is doubling down on cult of Trump, conspiracy theories, and hard right authoritarianism. Not a good strategy for winning national elections.

You forgot to add in they've added worshipping false gods to their repertoire:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/02/golden-trump-statue-cpac-mexico.html

Thou shalt worship false idols! ... wait do I have that right?

[mahagonny]

Good article with some ideas.  For years the republicans made it too easy for the democrats to cast themselves as the only place for black voters to go. Likewise with environmentalists. That can be changed.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/03/05/five_steps_for_revitalizing_conservatism_145351.html

[lightning]

Good article with some ideas.  For years the republicans made it too easy for the democrats to cast themselves as the only place for black voters to go. Likewise with environmentalists. That can be changed.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/03/05/five_steps_for_revitalizing_conservatism_145351.html

Environment? Not a chance. Republicans would have to stand up for climate science, and in turn trust the smart people. The Republican base would never support a Republican that did that.

As for conserving institutions, the article was vague. Does that include the National Endowment for the Arts, funding for libraries, public broadcasting, and other items related to stewardship of institutions built in the past? If it does, forget about the Republican base supporting a candidate that did that. Reagan would not get nominated by today's Republican party.

As for being a party that traditional minorities could see as an option, any Republican gains among the traditional minority voters, were probably lost when the treasonous insurrectionists brought the Confederate Flag into the Capitol Building and revealed who they really are.

[mahagonny]

As for being a party that traditional minorities could see as an option, any Republican gains among the traditional minority voters, were probably lost when the treasonous insurrectionists brought the Confederate Flag into the Capitol Building and revealed who they really are.

Not convinced at all by what you post. The people who did that revealed who they are, not who the 74 million are. The minorities who voted for Trump in 2020 have been hearing he's a racist for his entire political career, and they either don't believe it or consider it a nitpicking charge.

[Sun_Worshiper]

Good article with some ideas.  For years the republicans made it too easy for the democrats to cast themselves as the only place for black voters to go. Likewise with environmentalists. That can be changed.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/03/05/five_steps_for_revitalizing_conservatism_145351.html

I hope Republicans go in this direction. Doesn't seem like they're headed that way at the moment though.

[mahagonny]

Good article with some ideas.  For years the republicans made it too easy for the democrats to cast themselves as the only place for black voters to go. Likewise with environmentalists. That can be changed.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/03/05/five_steps_for_revitalizing_conservatism_145351.html

I hope Republicans go in this direction. Doesn't seem like they're headed that way at the moment though.

...Which would be why someone needed to write the article.

[lightning]

As for being a party that traditional minorities could see as an option, any Republican gains among the traditional minority voters, were probably lost when the treasonous insurrectionists brought the Confederate Flag into the Capitol Building and revealed who they really are.

Not convinced at all by what you post. The people who did that revealed who they are, not who the 74 million are. The minorities who voted for Trump in 2020 have been hearing he's a racist for his entire political career, and they either don't believe it or consider it a nitpicking charge.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything because that would be a lost cause. A vote for Trump was a vote for the man that incited the insurrection and the Lost Cause, and there were 74 million of them. They are complicit. As for the slight bump in African-American and LatinoX support for Trump, that does not negate Trump's (and now the Republican party's) xenophobic & bigoted platform.

[mahagonny]

As for being a party that traditional minorities could see as an option, any Republican gains among the traditional minority voters, were probably lost when the treasonous insurrectionists brought the Confederate Flag into the Capitol Building and revealed who they really are.

Not convinced at all by what you post. The people who did that revealed who they are, not who the 74 million are. The minorities who voted for Trump in 2020 have been hearing he's a racist for his entire political career, and they either don't believe it or consider it a nitpicking charge.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything because that would be a lost cause. A vote for Trump was a vote for the man that incited the insurrection and the Lost Cause, and there were 74 million of them. They are complicit. As for the slight bump in African-American and LatinoX support for Trump, that does not negate Trump's (and now the Republican party's) xenophobic & bigoted platform.

I'd ask you what you mean by 'does not negate' but then I'd have read your answer, which I really doubt would be worth it.

What you're doing is not my idea of discussing. This is more like fencing. I'm just going to duck when I see you coming.

[mahagonny]

The elephant in the room refuses to go away. Donald Trump remains a polarizing figure whose brash and crass demeanor retains a strange magnetism, even as his self-absorbed pettiness undermined what were often sensible policy instincts.

This strikes me as a sane response to the vivid experience of Trump in our lives. Neither being snowed by his bluster nor frightened into likening to with the worst dictators from history.