Cancelling Dr. Seuss

[Wahoo Redux]

...it is a given that the attack is condemned by all moral people.

the absence of strong condemnations by academics/universities is telling (see marshwiggle's comments).

Yeah, I understand the objection. 

But again, what are they supposed to say?  This is an atrocity among many atrocities.

I'm sure we would all condemn the Highland Park shooter or the people who kill other people in places like Philadelphia and Chicago, and that's fine with me if we want our colleges to issue statements condemning violent criminals, but I don't know what these achieve in the practical sense; I just assume we are all horrified and enraged.

If there IS a good reason to withhold public condemnation of the attack, it's that at this period of time many people equate Hadi Matar with all Muslims----we even have a poster on this very thread who seems to be doing just that.  There is no reason to further antagonize the zealots and angry people who are swept up into the culture wars by bringing more attention to the religion of a demented man.

[mahagonny]

If there IS a good reason to withhold public condemnation of the attack, it's that at this period of time many people equate Hadi Matar with all Muslims----we even have a poster on this very thread who seems to be doing just that. 

Sort of like equating Derek Chauvin with all police, or all Minneapolis police. Now who would stand for such ridiculousness?
It depends on how it is publicized. As someone here posted, the minimum should be to get the basic facts right. Then at least we have a hope (possibility) of working together.

[Wahoo Redux]

If there IS a good reason to withhold public condemnation of the attack, it's that at this period of time many people equate Hadi Matar with all Muslims----we even have a poster on this very thread who seems to be doing just that. 

Sort of like equating Derek Chauvin with all police, or all Minneapolis police. Now who would stand for such ridiculousness?

You are absolutely correct. 

Intelligent and rational people do not think that way.

So don't think that way, Mahag.   Don't be yet another zombie in the culture wars.

[marshwiggle]

If there IS a good reason to withhold public condemnation of the attack, it's that at this period of time many people equate Hadi Matar with all Muslims----we even have a poster on this very thread who seems to be doing just that.  There is no reason to further antagonize the zealots and angry people who are swept up into the culture wars by bringing more attention to the religion of a demented man.

But mental illness isn't nearly as important (or even discussed) if it's a white attacker and a non-white victim. It's only a mitigating factor for "marginalized" people.

[mahagonny]

If there IS a good reason to withhold public condemnation of the attack, it's that at this period of time many people equate Hadi Matar with all Muslims----we even have a poster on this very thread who seems to be doing just that. 

Sort of like equating Derek Chauvin with all police, or all Minneapolis police. Now who would stand for such ridiculousness?

You are absolutely correct. 

Intelligent and rational people do not think that way.

So don't think that way, Mahag.   Don't be yet another zombie in the culture wars.

Increasingly, they do if they believe it will help them win an election, sell a newspaper, get called for an acting gig in Hollywood, or land a juicy gig in the DEI administration. Logic tells them they should join the culture war on the side that seems to be winning in their immediate vicinity.

[Kron3007]

If there IS a good reason to withhold public condemnation of the attack, it's that at this period of time many people equate Hadi Matar with all Muslims----we even have a poster on this very thread who seems to be doing just that.  There is no reason to further antagonize the zealots and angry people who are swept up into the culture wars by bringing more attention to the religion of a demented man.

But mental illness isn't nearly as important (or even discussed) if it's a white attacker and a non-white victim. It's only a mitigating factor for "marginalized" people.

Seriously?  Mental illness is raised any time there is a white shooter/bomber/etc.  It is raised any time someone questions the rate of shooting related death in America.   

If it is a Muslim bomber, that dosn't seem to be a factor... 

[Wahoo Redux]

If there IS a good reason to withhold public condemnation of the attack, it's that at this period of time many people equate Hadi Matar with all Muslims----we even have a poster on this very thread who seems to be doing just that.  There is no reason to further antagonize the zealots and angry people who are swept up into the culture wars by bringing more attention to the religion of a demented man.

But mental illness isn't nearly as important (or even discussed) if it's a white attacker and a non-white victim. It's only a mitigating factor for "marginalized" people.

We have a history of violent racism by white majorities in North America and we are extremely well aware of that.

We should be cognizant of the cultural context too. 

Perhaps I am wrong, but it appeared to me that Rushdie's attacker is mentally ill.  He's a zealot, certainly, but his interviews are strange and garbled and his demeaner is weird.  And I do not see any mental illness as "mitigating" at all but a fact (if, in fact, I am correct).

[Wahoo Redux]

If there IS a good reason to withhold public condemnation of the attack, it's that at this period of time many people equate Hadi Matar with all Muslims----we even have a poster on this very thread who seems to be doing just that.  There is no reason to further antagonize the zealots and angry people who are swept up into the culture wars by bringing more attention to the religion of a demented man.

But mental illness isn't nearly as important (or even discussed) if it's a white attacker and a non-white victim. It's only a mitigating factor for "marginalized" people.

Seriously?  Mental illness is raised any time there is a white shooter/bomber/etc.  It is raised any time someone questions the rate of shooting related death in America.   

If it is a Muslim bomber, that dosn't seem to be a factor...

Read up on Nikolas Cruz, Ethan Crumbly, Dylan Storm Roof, James Holms, or Jared Loughner, Marshy.

[mahagonny]

If there IS a good reason to withhold public condemnation of the attack, it's that at this period of time many people equate Hadi Matar with all Muslims----we even have a poster on this very thread who seems to be doing just that.  There is no reason to further antagonize the zealots and angry people who are swept up into the culture wars by bringing more attention to the religion of a demented man.

But mental illness isn't nearly as important (or even discussed) if it's a white attacker and a non-white victim. It's only a mitigating factor for "marginalized" people.

Seriously?  Mental illness is raised any time there is a white shooter/bomber/etc.  It is raised any time someone questions the rate of shooting related death in America.   

If it is a Muslim bomber, that dosn't seem to be a factor...

Read up on Nikolas Cruz, Ethan Crumbly, Dylan Storm Roof, James Holms, or Jared Loughner, Marshy.

What tells the story: President Biden states that White Supremacy is the greatest threat within our shores, which is an obvious lie to anyone who pays attention, even sporadically, and 'progessives' who know it's a lie mostly don't care if people believe it, because all they care about is making sure Trump never gets near the White House again.

[Kron3007]

If there IS a good reason to withhold public condemnation of the attack, it's that at this period of time many people equate Hadi Matar with all Muslims----we even have a poster on this very thread who seems to be doing just that.  There is no reason to further antagonize the zealots and angry people who are swept up into the culture wars by bringing more attention to the religion of a demented man.

But mental illness isn't nearly as important (or even discussed) if it's a white attacker and a non-white victim. It's only a mitigating factor for "marginalized" people.

Seriously?  Mental illness is raised any time there is a white shooter/bomber/etc.  It is raised any time someone questions the rate of shooting related death in America.   

If it is a Muslim bomber, that dosn't seem to be a factor...

Read up on Nikolas Cruz, Ethan Crumbly, Dylan Storm Roof, James Holms, or Jared Loughner, Marshy.

What tells the story: President Biden states that White Supremacy is the greatest threat within our shores, which is an obvious lie to anyone who pays attention, even sporadically, and 'progessives' who know it's a lie mostly don't care if people believe it, because all they care about is making sure Trump never gets near the White House again.

This is from a congressional report:

" On February 22, 2019, a Trump Administration United States Department of Justice official wrote in a New York Times op-ed that "white supremacy and far-right extremism are among the greatest domestic-security threats facing the United States. Regrettably, over the past 25 years, law enforcement, at both the Federal and State levels, has been slow to respond. ... Killings committed by individuals and groups associated with far-right extremist groups have risen significantly."."


From the mouths of republicans...

[mahagonny]

If there IS a good reason to withhold public condemnation of the attack, it's that at this period of time many people equate Hadi Matar with all Muslims----we even have a poster on this very thread who seems to be doing just that.  There is no reason to further antagonize the zealots and angry people who are swept up into the culture wars by bringing more attention to the religion of a demented man.

But mental illness isn't nearly as important (or even discussed) if it's a white attacker and a non-white victim. It's only a mitigating factor for "marginalized" people.

Seriously?  Mental illness is raised any time there is a white shooter/bomber/etc.  It is raised any time someone questions the rate of shooting related death in America.   

If it is a Muslim bomber, that dosn't seem to be a factor...

Read up on Nikolas Cruz, Ethan Crumbly, Dylan Storm Roof, James Holms, or Jared Loughner, Marshy.

What tells the story: President Biden states that White Supremacy is the greatest threat within our shores, which is an obvious lie to anyone who pays attention, even sporadically, and 'progessives' who know it's a lie mostly don't care if people believe it, because all they care about is making sure Trump never gets near the White House again.

This is from a congressional report:

" On February 22, 2019, a Trump Administration United States Department of Justice official wrote in a New York Times op-ed that "white supremacy and far-right extremism are among the greatest domestic-security threats facing the United States. Regrettably, over the past 25 years, law enforcement, at both the Federal and State levels, has been slow to respond. ... Killings committed by individuals and groups associated with far-right extremist groups have risen significantly."."


From the mouths of republicans...

And that's why they are racists.
I still say urban crime, most of which is black perp/black victim, is a worse problem by far.

[mahagonny]

[double post, sorry]

Also, 2019 was before the George Floyd riots.

[Wahoo Redux]

[double post, sorry]

Also, 2019 was before the George Floyd riots.

Did you actually read Kron's excerpt?

I don't want the thread to devolve into craziness and subject matter having nothing to do with the topic.  I was just curious.

[mahagonny]

[double post, sorry]

Also, 2019 was before the George Floyd riots.

Did you actually read Kron's excerpt?

I don't want the thread to devolve into craziness and subject matter having nothing to do with the topic.  I was just curious.

By all means, let's skip the craziness. I've got work to do anyway. Enjoy the rest of your day.

[mahagonny]

More hits:

CNN (somewhat quietly) admits they were conned by yet another Duke University racism hoax.

https://www.mediaite.com/sports/cnns-john-avlon-acknowledges-widespread-media-failure-on-byu-racist-heckling-allegations-there-was-a-rush-to-judgment/