Atlanta/'Dismantling White Supremacy'

[mahagonny]

Since the tragic murder of eight in Atlanta earlier this week I've been noticing, against the backdrop of antiracism chatter, the media narrative is usually all about race. Why? Based on the facts available, I have a picture of a very tormented unstable lonely young man in intense psychological conflict between an idea of refraining from sin and the ready availability of pornography, exacerbated by the internet, 'massage' parlors in the neighborhood and testosterone in abundant supply at age 21. For the old timers reading, we might have recalled a time where Puritanism derived from your religion would have been the culprit that some in the media point to. At least that fits what Mr. Long says about his mental state. (But not that I want to blame religion: Christianity says that we are forgiven when we ask to be.) Whereas prostitution has always been a risky occupation for women of any race, the 'dismantling white supremacy' solution promoted by Prof. Kendi and others seems like another case of 'if your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.'
Thoughts?
on edit: my wife is blaming Donald Trump. I need to hear from someone else.

[nebo113]

A white man murdered 6 Asian woman and two others because he "was having a bad day."  No big deal.

[mahagonny]

A white man murdered 6 Asian woman and two others because he "was having a bad day."  No big deal.

I'm not so sure about that. I see Reverend Sharpton is getting involved.

[Cheerful]

A white man murdered 6 Asian woman and two others because he "was having a bad day."  No big deal.

This tragedy is much more complex than that.  People unfamiliar with the details should seek more complete data before screaming "race!" and "bad, bad Whites!"

The two "others" (White) killed were also human beings.  A third nonAsian person (immigrant from Guatemala) was also shot.

The suspect is seriously mentally ill and had easy access to a quick, legal gun purchase.  Plus the whole "spa" thing in the US is getting minimal analysis from press and activists.  At least one of the sites was open 24 hours a day.  Why are people being hush-hush about "spas" and ethnicities of people mostly likely to work in such?  One of the deceased victims lied to her family, told them she worked in a make-up shop.

Every event is not always about race/ethnicity.  (Black people have also killed Asians and I'm sure Asians have killed Asians, and some Hispanics might have killed Asians, and....) 

[Sun_Worshiper]

Based on what I've read I tend to agree that the suspect was primarily motivated by his fear and hatred of women, as opposed to by the race of those women. That said, it appears that he may have fetishized Asian women, so I wouldn't say that we can conclude that race is irrelevant any more than that racism is the root cause.

Beyond this case, attacks on Asians do seem to be at least partly rooted in the white grievance politics of the Trump Administration, which tried to weaponize racism towards Asians in part to divert attention away from its own mishandling of the Coronavirus. 

[Cheerful]

Based on what I've read I tend to agree that the suspect was primarily motivated by his fear and hatred of women, as opposed to by the race of those women. That said, it appears that he may have fetishized Asian women, so I wouldn't say that we can conclude that race is irrelevant any more than that racism is the root cause.

Just want to clarify that my prior post made no claims about the suspect's motives other than a) I'm not convinced he was motivated by race/ethnicity/[add gender here] hate and b) I am convinced that he is seriously mentally ill and the addiction treatment program he accessed did not work for his illness.

[mahagonny]

Based on what I've read I tend to agree that the suspect was primarily motivated by his fear and hatred of women, as opposed to by the race of those women. That said, it appears that he may have fetishized Asian women, so I wouldn't say that we can conclude that race is irrelevant any more than that racism is the root cause.

Beyond this case, attacks on Asians do seem to be at least partly rooted in the white grievance politics of the Trump Administration, which tried to weaponize racism towards Asians in part to divert attention away from its own mishandling of the Coronavirus.

Why would something like that work? What has Asia got to do with the coronavirus?

How is it a white grievance when blacks suffer disproportionately?

[Sun_Worshiper]

Based on what I've read I tend to agree that the suspect was primarily motivated by his fear and hatred of women, as opposed to by the race of those women. That said, it appears that he may have fetishized Asian women, so I wouldn't say that we can conclude that race is irrelevant any more than that racism is the root cause.

Beyond this case, attacks on Asians do seem to be at least partly rooted in the white grievance politics of the Trump Administration, which tried to weaponize racism towards Asians in part to divert attention away from its own mishandling of the Coronavirus.

Why would something like that work? What has Asia got to do with the coronavirus?

How is it a white grievance when blacks suffer disproportionately?

Mahagonny, I'm not about to get into a pointless back and forth with you here, where you go on random rants and disingenuously ask questions that a 3rd grader knows the answer to. If you don't understand why politicians scapegoat or somehow missed Trump's references to Kung Flu and the China Virus, then you obviously weren't paying attention. And if you want to see that there is an audience for white grievance politics then look in the mirror.

[mahagonny]

Based on what I've read I tend to agree that the suspect was primarily motivated by his fear and hatred of women, as opposed to by the race of those women. That said, it appears that he may have fetishized Asian women, so I wouldn't say that we can conclude that race is irrelevant any more than that racism is the root cause.

Beyond this case, attacks on Asians do seem to be at least partly rooted in the white grievance politics of the Trump Administration, which tried to weaponize racism towards Asians in part to divert attention away from its own mishandling of the Coronavirus.

Why would something like that work? What has Asia got to do with the coronavirus?

How is it a white grievance when blacks suffer disproportionately?

Mahagonny, I'm not about to get into a pointless back and forth with you here, where you go on random rants and disingenuously ask questions that a 3rd grader knows the answer to. If you don't understand why politicians scapegoat or somehow missed Trump's references to Kung Flu and the China Virus, then you obviously weren't paying attention. And if you want to see that there is an audience for white grievance politics then look in the mirror.

Well, I repeat that I did not vote for Trump, and although he does know how to get the economy humming he is a bit of a lout (gendered term; forgive me please) and I wouldn't want him to meet my mother, which is my test of a decent guy. But none of that means much now that Joe Biden is palling around with that pig Cardi B. and I'm not impressed by people who think the most important things we should be deciding are when to tell your grade schooler he can become a girl if he wants to or what to do about horrible terms such as "Latino." So I didn't vote for old Joe either. So sure I'm whatever you say I guess. I have grievances against the democrats.
I understand why some of the Trump supporters annoy you. Some of them annoy me in similar ways, probably. but we've reached a point where the White Supremacy sniffing bloodhounds have surpassed the Trump cult in craziness.

[jimbogumbo]

Based on what I've read I tend to agree that the suspect was primarily motivated by his fear and hatred of women, as opposed to by the race of those women. That said, it appears that he may have fetishized Asian women, so I wouldn't say that we can conclude that race is irrelevant any more than that racism is the root cause.

Beyond this case, attacks on Asians do seem to be at least partly rooted in the white grievance politics of the Trump Administration, which tried to weaponize racism towards Asians in part to divert attention away from its own mishandling of the Coronavirus.

Why would something like that work? What has Asia got to do with the coronavirus?

How is it a white grievance when blacks suffer disproportionately?

Mahagonny, I'm not about to get into a pointless back and forth with you here, where you go on random rants and disingenuously ask questions that a 3rd grader knows the answer to. If you don't understand why politicians scapegoat or somehow missed Trump's references to Kung Flu and the China Virus, then you obviously weren't paying attention. And if you want to see that there is an audience for white grievance politics then look in the mirror.

Well, I repeat that I did not vote for Trump, and although he does know how to get the economy humming he is a bit of a lout (gendered term; forgive me please) and I wouldn't want him to meet my mother, which is my test of a decent guy. But none of that means much now that Joe Biden is palling around with that pig Cardi B. and I'm not impressed by people who think the most important things we should be deciding are when to tell your grade schooler he can become a girl if he wants to or what to do about horrible terms such as "Latino." So I didn't vote for old Joe either. So sure I'm whatever you say I guess. I have grievances against the democrats.
I understand why some of the Trump supporters annoy you. Some of them annoy me in similar ways, probably. but we've reached a point where the White Supremacy sniffing bloodhounds have surpassed the Trump cult in craziness.

Your last sentence is complete garbage.

[mahagonny]

Honest question, perf. Gumbo

how do you think white supremacy is going to be dismantled and what is the timetable, and when will everyone be happy?

[jimbogumbo]

Honest question, perf. Gumbo

how do you think white supremacy is going to be dismantled and what is the timetable, and when will everyone be happy?

perf?

Only through the continued momentum of structural changes that have been taking place for centuries. I have no clue as to how long that will take.

Never to the last one. And I know you were not a Trump voter, but despite your personal feelings you sure said something awful with the Cardi B characterization.

[mahagonny]

Honest question, perf. Gumbo

how do you think white supremacy is going to be dismantled and what is the timetable, and when will everyone be happy?

perf?

Only through the continued momentum of structural changes that have been taking place for centuries. I have no clue as to how long that will take.

Never to the last one. And I know you were not a Trump voter, but despite your personal feelings you sure said something awful with the Cardi B characterization.

I intended to.

[Sun_Worshiper]

Mahagonny is literally turning the tragic murder of six Asian women into a white victimhood thread. Stop bro.

[little bongo]

Mahagonny is literally turning the tragic murder of six Asian women into a white victimhood thread. Stop bro.

This.