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How To Get Fired At A Baptist College

Started by spork, May 01, 2021, 07:35:40 AM

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apl68

Quote from: Golazo on May 02, 2021, 10:52:48 AM
Sorry for the double thread. I agree that we can't be certain about some of the allegations, but the fact that a trustee has been indicted, and that the college settled a civil suit, and it is a tenured professor who is fired rather than change in action at the top, seems dubious. Particularly since the college seems to have decided that it doesn't need to follow any of the procedures outlined in its handbook. I don't think this is going to end well for the college. And why would students want to attend an expensive private college with these explosive allegations about its leadership when there are plenty of other good regional options?

Also, worth nothing that Linfield is about as Baptist as say William and Mary is Anglican.

Also worth noting that calling attention to the school's confessional identity in the thread title, as if the problems occurring at it were somehow unique to schools with that particular identity, was unnecessary.

One of the most disheartening things about this story is the way bad actors are skillfully pitting tribal allegiances against each other for their own benefit--and the way organizations meant to protect against injustice are apparently letting themselves be manipulated by these bad actors.
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Quote from: apl68 on May 03, 2021, 07:34:36 AM
Quote from: Golazo on May 02, 2021, 10:52:48 AM
Sorry for the double thread. I agree that we can't be certain about some of the allegations, but the fact that a trustee has been indicted, and that the college settled a civil suit, and it is a tenured professor who is fired rather than change in action at the top, seems dubious. Particularly since the college seems to have decided that it doesn't need to follow any of the procedures outlined in its handbook. I don't think this is going to end well for the college. And why would students want to attend an expensive private college with these explosive allegations about its leadership when there are plenty of other good regional options?

Also, worth nothing that Linfield is about as Baptist as say William and Mary is Anglican.

Also worth noting that calling attention to the school's confessional identity in the thread title, as if the problems occurring at it were somehow unique to schools with that particular identity, was unnecessary.

One of the most disheartening things about this story is the way bad actors are skillfully pitting tribal allegiances against each other for their own benefit--and the way organizations meant to protect against injustice are apparently letting themselves be manipulated by these bad actors.

How soon we forget:

https://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/23/sports/college-basketball-christian-values-meet-athletic-scandal.html.
It's terrible writing, used to obfuscate the fact that the authors actually have nothing to say.

mamselle

Quote from: apl68 on May 03, 2021, 07:34:36 AM
Quote from: Golazo on May 02, 2021, 10:52:48 AM
Sorry for the double thread. I agree that we can't be certain about some of the allegations, but the fact that a trustee has been indicted, and that the college settled a civil suit, and it is a tenured professor who is fired rather than change in action at the top, seems dubious. Particularly since the college seems to have decided that it doesn't need to follow any of the procedures outlined in its handbook. I don't think this is going to end well for the college. And why would students want to attend an expensive private college with these explosive allegations about its leadership when there are plenty of other good regional options?

Also, worth nothing that Linfield is about as Baptist as say William and Mary is Anglican.

Also worth noting that calling attention to the school's confessional identity in the thread title, as if the problems occurring at it were somehow unique to schools with that particular identity, was unnecessary.

One of the most disheartening things about this story is the way bad actors are skillfully pitting tribal allegiances against each other for their own benefit--and the way organizations meant to protect against injustice are apparently letting themselves be manipulated by these bad actors.

Agreed.

Being unholier-than-thou is no less a hypocritical stance in some cases.

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Parasaurolophus

Some people on Twitter are reporting that campus security is entering faculty offices to remove any material which expresses support for Pollack-Pelzner.
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Quote from: Parasaurolophus on May 03, 2021, 09:48:11 AM
Some people on Twitter are reporting that campus security is entering faculty offices to remove any material which expresses support for Pollack-Pelzner.

I can't remember if this was in the original article or not, but they've also locked down email communications. No one can email faculty/student groups without the email being approved.

This has also been particularly problematic as the school is in the middle of gen ed revisions with no faculty listserv to discuss the changes.
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Quote from: Parasaurolophus on May 03, 2021, 09:48:11 AM
Some people on Twitter are reporting that campus security is entering faculty offices to remove any material which expresses support for Pollack-Pelzner.

Linfield is currently advertising two faculty positions. I wonder how those searches are going.

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Anselm

There are many ways to get fired.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2006/01/12/tests-faith

Wheaton of Illinois faces scrutiny for firing professor who became Catholic; Oklahoma Christian U. may fire those who divorce.
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kaysixteen

It is longstanding black letter law that religious institutions get to have religious reqs for employment, and if a current employee changes his religious affiliation, he can then be discharged.

Puget

Quote from: kaysixteen on May 04, 2021, 02:41:46 PM
It is longstanding black letter law that religious institutions get to have religious reqs for employment, and if a current employee changes his religious affiliation, he can then be discharged.

Uh, this case has nothing to do with religious requirements. You might want to read the articles.
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Quote from: Puget on May 04, 2021, 03:14:07 PM
Quote from: kaysixteen on May 04, 2021, 02:41:46 PM
It is longstanding black letter law that religious institutions get to have religious reqs for employment, and if a current employee changes his religious affiliation, he can then be discharged.

Uh, this case has nothing to do with religious requirements. You might want to read the articles.

I imagine kaysixteen is referring to Anselm's post about the firings at Wheaton of Illinois and Oklahoma Christian U.

mahagonny

Quote from: kaysixteen on May 04, 2021, 02:41:46 PM
It is longstanding black letter law that religious institutions get to have religious reqs for employment, and if a current employee changes his religious affiliation, he can then be discharged.

This interests me.

1. Can a non-religious institution that guarantees non-discrimination on the basis of religion require you to join a new religion (Antiracism) as a condition of continued employment, when you have already been working there for years?
2. Can a faculty member at, say a Baptist college refuse anti-racism training on the basis that it doesn't blend with their Baptist faith?
3. Can a college that identifies as religious change its religion, and a with that, the requirement that its faculty change too?