State funding meta-analysis

[jimbogumbo]

My take? Duh.

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2021/05/19/report-state-funding-closely-linked-student-success

[apl68]

My take? Duh.

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2021/05/19/report-state-funding-closely-linked-student-success

Yes, it makes sense.  There are such things as efficiency savings and so forth, but as a general rule "you get what you pay for" applies.

[dismalist]

My take? Duh.

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2021/05/19/report-state-funding-closely-linked-student-success

Aaaaah, it says "I deserve more money, and lots of it".

[apl68]

This has been the day for IHE and remarkable discoveries!  Apparently the online internships that have proliferated during the Plague Year have been failing to meet student expectations:


https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2021/05/19/research-paints-disappointing-picture-online-internships

"Without in-person opportunities, it's extremely difficult for students to establish strong connections within a work environment, namely through networking or casual water-cooler talk," said Kevin Davis, the founder and executive director of First Workings, a nonprofit organization that connects high school students in New York City with paid summer internships.

Losing out on in-person networking opportunities is particularly detrimental for students coming from first-generation or low-income households "who may not have social capital in the student's aspiring career or industry," Davis said.

Who knew?

[ciao_yall]

Funny how that works.

The same people who say taxpayer money is wasted on a college education are busy saving up to send their own kids to college.

They also scream that "class size doesn't matter - there are no studies to prove it." Yet their kids go to expensive private schools with classes of 10-15 students.

[mahagonny]

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[Parasaurolophus]

Funny how that works.

The same people who say taxpayer money is wasted on a college education are busy saving up to send their own kids to college.

They also scream that "class size doesn't matter - there are no studies to prove it." Yet their kids go to expensive private schools with classes of 10-15 students.

Our average class size was 8. I had one class with just me and one other student.

[marshwiggle]

Funny how that works.

The same people who say taxpayer money is wasted on a college education are busy saving up to send their own kids to college.

Part of this relates to the difference between populations and individuals. Individuals who are highly motivated may benefit much more than masses who are only there because they have been herded into it.

They also scream that "class size doesn't matter - there are no studies to prove it." Yet their kids go to expensive private schools with classes of 10-15 students.

If I think back to my own experience, it certainly wasn't the case that the smallest classes were the most useful and the largest were the least useful; the instructor and the instructor's preparation and process made vastly more difference. (A good instructor with a small class may be the best option, but the good instructor is far more important than the small class.)

[Caracal]

If I think back to my own experience, it certainly wasn't the case that the smallest classes were the most useful and the largest were the least useful; the instructor and the instructor's preparation and process made vastly more difference. (A good instructor with a small class may be the best option, but the good instructor is far more important than the small class.)

Sure I guess, but class sizes also matter more for some classes than others. I could do some different things in terms of skills and assessment for my intro courses if they were capped lower, but I feel okay about my ability to do a good job with 35-40 students.  If you're expecting instructors to teach intro writing courses to class of over 20, however, the classes are going to result in students learning the things you want them too.

[pgher]

Funny how that works.

The same people who say taxpayer money is wasted on a college education are busy saving up to send their own kids to college.

They also scream that "class size doesn't matter - there are no studies to prove it." Yet their kids go to expensive private schools with classes of 10-15 students.

The essence of the argument is that education is a private good, not a public good. That is, the benefit accrues primarily or only to the student. The truth is that an educated populace is a better populace: more productive, more stable, etc. Education is good for democracy. (Oh, maybe that's another part of the problem.)

[dismalist]

Funny how that works.

The same people who say taxpayer money is wasted on a college education are busy saving up to send their own kids to college.

They also scream that "class size doesn't matter - there are no studies to prove it." Yet their kids go to expensive private schools with classes of 10-15 students.

The essence of the argument is that education is a private good, not a public good. That is, the benefit accrues primarily or only to the student. The truth is that an educated populace is a better populace: more productive, more stable, etc. Education is good for democracy. (Oh, maybe that's another part of the problem.)

The first two sentences are correct.

After that, it's wrong or irrelevant! :-)

[research_prof]

Funny how that works.

The same people who say taxpayer money is wasted on a college education are busy saving up to send their own kids to college.

They also scream that "class size doesn't matter - there are no studies to prove it." Yet their kids go to expensive private schools with classes of 10-15 students.

The essence of the argument is that education is a private good, not a public good. That is, the benefit accrues primarily or only to the student. The truth is that an educated populace is a better populace: more productive, more stable, etc. Education is good for democracy. (Oh, maybe that's another part of the problem.)

The first two sentences are correct.

After that, it's wrong or irrelevant! :-)

It is indeed better for democracy. Ancient Greeks gave to all citizens votes of equal weights because the presumption was that everyone was well-aware of the existing issues and sufficiently educated to critically think about these issues and the solutions and exercise their votes wisely for the benefit of the entire society.

This is absolutely NOT the case today (and I dare to say this is absolutely not the case today anywhere in the world).

[spork]

Funny how that works.

The same people who say taxpayer money is wasted on a college education are busy saving up to send their own kids to college.

They also scream that "class size doesn't matter - there are no studies to prove it." Yet their kids go to expensive private schools with classes of 10-15 students.

The essence of the argument is that education is a private good, not a public good. That is, the benefit accrues primarily or only to the student. The truth is that an educated populace is a better populace: more productive, more stable, etc. Education is good for democracy. (Oh, maybe that's another part of the problem.)

The first two sentences are correct.

After that, it's wrong or irrelevant! :-)

It is indeed better for democracy. Ancient Greeks gave to all citizens votes of equal weights because the presumption was that everyone was well-aware of the existing issues and sufficiently educated to critically think about these issues and the solutions and exercise their votes wisely for the benefit of the entire society.

This is absolutely NOT the case today (and I dare to say this is absolutely not the case today anywhere in the world).

In the ancient Greek case, citizens = property-owning males, a minority of the city-state's population. And "Greeks" can probably be limited to Athenians during a relatively short period of time.

[mamselle]

And we've seen just how intelligent/inclined to apply their education some property-owning males of our own day can be, so....

M.