Vaccine Mandates for faculty, staff, and students?

[dismalist]

For me, the take home message from this thread is that reasoning with vaccine skeptics don't work as well as vaccine mandates.

No, I think they work equally poorly. Perhaps coercion works even less well, for the anti's may start shooting.

But I further think that a $100 bill is a pretty convincing argument.

Now that Delta is raging, vaccinations are going up. So an increased threat of death also works.

[mleok]

For me, the take home message from this thread is that reasoning with vaccine skeptics don't work as well as vaccine mandates.

No, I think they work equally poorly. Perhaps coercion works even less well, for the anti's may start shooting.

But I further think that a $100 bill is a pretty convincing argument.

Now that Delta is raging, vaccinations are going up. So an increased threat of death also works.

California is giving money to people receiving new vaccinations, they sent my son a $50 Visa debit card when he finished his vaccination sequence, but the vaccine mandates have done a better job of getting people to roll up their sleeves. But, I think they're also improving the messaging by distinguishing between the rates of infection, hospitalization, and death between vaccinated and unvaccinated people.

[Caracal]

For me, the take home message from this thread is that reasoning with vaccine skeptics don't work as well as vaccine mandates.

No, I think they work equally poorly. Perhaps coercion works even less well, for the anti's may start shooting.

But I further think that a $100 bill is a pretty convincing argument.

Now that Delta is raging, vaccinations are going up. So an increased threat of death also works.

Certainly worked on the OP.

[jimbogumbo]

For me, the take home message from this thread is that reasoning with vaccine skeptics don't work as well as vaccine mandates.

No, I think they work equally poorly. Perhaps coercion works even less well, for the anti's may start shooting.

But I further think that a $100 bill is a pretty convincing argument.

Now that Delta is raging, vaccinations are going up. So an increased threat of death also works.

Certainly worked on the OP.

I was sitting on a McDonald's floor in Maine trying not to pass out (it was after a way too hot bike ride) one of the workers standing and trying to ignore me told a co-worker that she had not yet been vaccinated. But, if she had to for school she would much prefer that to wearing a mask.

[mleok]

Well, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine now has full FDA approval, no more excuses for not imposing vaccine mandates.

[Anon1787]

The OP wanted to continue to teach remotely until there's an FDA-approved vaccine. There is now an FDA-approved vaccine. Will the OP now embrace teaching in person? I expect to see some moving of the goal posts.

[Puget]

The OP wanted to continue to teach remotely until there's an FDA-approved vaccine. There is now an FDA-approved vaccine. Will the OP now embrace teaching in person? I expect to see some moving of the goal posts.

I suspect you are correct, not just about the OP, but about many who have claimed that lack of full FDA approval is what is stopping them from getting vaccinated. Now they'll just switch to claiming the full approval was rushed or biased or something like that.

Also, the OP has not been internally consistent in their arguments, saying both that masks and distancing are the only things science supports in the first post and that they are disturbed by masking and quarantine requirements in their later posts.

I'm beginning to think the OP is a troll, especially given that their first post here was to start this thread, and they haven't posted about anything else.

[Sun_Worshiper]

The OP wanted to continue to teach remotely until there's an FDA-approved vaccine. There is now an FDA-approved vaccine. Will the OP now embrace teaching in person? I expect to see some moving of the goal posts.

I suspect you are correct, not just about the OP, but about many who have claimed that lack of full FDA approval is what is stopping them from getting vaccinated. Now they'll just switch to claiming the full approval was rushed or biased or something like that.


Also, the OP has not been internally consistent in their arguments, saying both that masks and distancing are the only things science supports in the first post and that they are disturbed by masking and quarantine requirements in their later posts.

I'm beginning to think the OP is a troll, especially given that their first post here was to start this thread, and they haven't posted about anything else.

I'm sure you are right about the bolded. Some folks will do any kind of "intellectual" cartwheels to attack vaccines. These folks can't be reached. But every step that brings the % of vaccinated folks up is a good step towards getting society back to normal and the FDA approval will almost certainly do that.

[mamselle]

Comparative study in social outlooks re: elementary school vaccinations.

I was just speaking on the phone with a friend from Houston: 15 children in their neighborhood elementary school have gone home with Covid in the first week of school. When she raises the issue with her neighbors, they don't understand the problem.

Meanwhile, elsewhere:

   https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/08/24/metro/education-board-clears-way-statewide-mask-mandate-massachusetts-schools/

Different strokes, different folks...

M.

[AvidReader]

I suspect Bbmaj would have less sympathy if I was morally opposed to clothes and was asserting my right to wander through town naked. My beliefs might be sincere, and even reasonable, but I'm not going to get far arguing that governments can't mandate I wear clothes in public.

I might not want my hypothetical kids to see you wandering around the grocery store naked, but our risk of catching a disease from you is probably no greater (and possibly less, depending on a number of factors) if you are unclothed than if you are unmasked.

AR.

[Vkw10]

Texas governor has issued executive order prohibiting most state agencies from mandating any COVID-19 vaccines, even those FDA has fully approved. His earlier order was just not-fully-FDA-approved vaccines. Sigh.

[kaysixteen]

Bad actor politicos like Abbott and DeSantis, are their supporters, or more specifically the generic mainstream GOP voters in their states, as opposed to MAGA-ized dolts, really beginning to see the tremendous downside to their recent covid-related asshattery, or is that perhaps too much to hope for?

[niwon88]

OP here. My institution has reversed the in-person instruction policy and moved to remote classes for the first six weeks of the semester (until mid October). Over 900 students have signed a petition refusing the vaccine and they can't afford to de-enroll all those students. They are now giving students a deadline of October 15 to be fully vaccinated but many predict this is unlikely to happen. So for now, I am happy with this outcome and hope that we will continue remotely until 2022 at least.

[niwon88]

Texas governor has issued executive order prohibiting most state agencies from mandating any COVID-19 vaccines, even those FDA has fully approved. His earlier order was just not-fully-FDA-approved vaccines. Sigh.

Hooray for Texas! We must not allow tyranny of the majority.

[mleok]

Texas governor has issued executive order prohibiting most state agencies from mandating any COVID-19 vaccines, even those FDA has fully approved. His earlier order was just not-fully-FDA-approved vaccines. Sigh.

Hooray for Texas! We must not allow tyranny of the majority.

But you seem perfectly okay with the tyranny of the minority...