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Started by jimbogumbo, January 10, 2022, 11:54:56 AM

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apl68

Quote from: Ruralguy on January 20, 2022, 09:40:35 AM
Isn't that kind of what we have for the moment? if parties have a 50/50 divide, then the deadlock forces compromise. But there's very little. I think people are starting to develop all or nothing attitudes and refuse to negotiate with "the enemy."

That's certainly the idea.  Our system is supposed to encourage compromise and moderation.

That's why I'm skeptical as to whether tinkering with the political system would actually improve things.  It's hard to imagine any system that would work well with as badly broken a political culture/culture in general as we now have.  Remember, the U.S. is not the only democracy suffering from increasingly serious political dysfunction.  Things are going downhill pretty much everywhere.  We're not even the worst example of dysfunction, although we've certainly moved up (or down) in the rankings a great deal in recent years.
And you will cry out on that day because of the king you have chosen for yourselves, and the Lord will not hear you on that day.

dismalist

Quote from: apl68 on January 20, 2022, 10:03:40 AM
Quote from: Ruralguy on January 20, 2022, 09:40:35 AM
Isn't that kind of what we have for the moment? if parties have a 50/50 divide, then the deadlock forces compromise. But there's very little. I think people are starting to develop all or nothing attitudes and refuse to negotiate with "the enemy."

That's certainly the idea.  Our system is supposed to encourage compromise and moderation.

That's why I'm skeptical as to whether tinkering with the political system would actually improve things.  It's hard to imagine any system that would work well with as badly broken a political culture/culture in general as we now have.  Remember, the U.S. is not the only democracy suffering from increasingly serious political dysfunction.  Things are going downhill pretty much everywhere.  We're not even the worst example of dysfunction, although we've certainly moved up (or down) in the rankings a great deal in recent years.

Our system is intended to make broad agreement on what is to be done a condition for doing anything at the federal level. Compromise is not forced. If there is no broad agreement on something, it will not be done.  That's a feature, not a bug.

Note that a so-called Infrastructure Bill indeed passed in the Senate with 69 votes, whereas the Big Bill de facto got 48 votes. System is working.
That's not even wrong!
--Wolfgang Pauli

Kron3007

I would like to see the US surrender to Canadian rule and make the world a better place. 

We would be benevolent, dont worry...

dismalist

Quote from: Kron3007 on January 20, 2022, 02:08:05 PM
I would like to see the US surrender to Canadian rule and make the world a better place. 

We would be benevolent, dont worry...

You can have California and New York. That should take care of the problem. :-)
That's not even wrong!
--Wolfgang Pauli

mahagonny

Quote from: apl68 on January 20, 2022, 10:03:40 AM
Quote from: Ruralguy on January 20, 2022, 09:40:35 AM
Isn't that kind of what we have for the moment? if parties have a 50/50 divide, then the deadlock forces compromise. But there's very little. I think people are starting to develop all or nothing attitudes and refuse to negotiate with "the enemy."

That's certainly the idea.  Our system is supposed to encourage compromise and moderation.

That's why I'm skeptical as to whether tinkering with the political system would actually improve things.  It's hard to imagine any system that would work well with as badly broken a political culture/culture in general as we now have.  Remember, the U.S. is not the only democracy suffering from increasingly serious political dysfunction.  Things are going downhill pretty much everywhere.

This makes us look more favorable unless the others caught the malady from us (USA).

marshwiggle

Quote from: Kron3007 on January 20, 2022, 02:08:05 PM
I would like to see the US surrender to Canadian rule and make the world a better place. 

We would be benevolent, dont worry...

Since they have trouble surrendering to their own rule, that wouldn't end well.
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