Florida's rejection of math textbooks "due" to CRT

[marshwiggle]

Going to post, and then reply. The Governor's spokesperson showed the worksheet below as an example. Please note that it is not in any textbooks. I'll also send a link to the person who wrote the original, and a WaPo piece with more background re Florida.

https://twitter.com/ChristinaPushaw/status/1515505531582042118

Maya Angelou is offensive CRT!?!?!?

Did you read the questions?

3. Angelou was sexually abused by her mother's (boyfriend, brother, father) at age 8, which shaped her career choices and motivation for writing.

4. Trying to support her son as a single mother, she worked as a pimp, prostitute, and (bookie, drug dealer, night club dancer).


Not exactly sure what bringing this stuff has to do with math at whatever grade level this is.

I cannot access the entire questions.  Would you post at least one complete question?  Not doubting you.  Just want to know what folks are talking about.

It's from the twitter link above. I don't even have a twitter account and I was able to see it. (I just has to save the image and then zoom in on it.)

[ciao_yall]

Did you read the questions?

3. Angelou was sexually abused by her mother's (boyfriend, brother, father) at age 8, which shaped her career choices and motivation for writing.

4. Trying to support her son as a single mother, she worked as a pimp, prostitute, and (bookie, drug dealer, night club dancer).


Not exactly sure what bringing this stuff has to do with math at whatever grade level this is.

I cannot access the entire questions.  Would you post at least one complete question?  Not doubting you.  Just want to know what folks are talking about.

The correct answers in the math tie to the correct answers for Maya Angelou. So sort of a combo literature-math lesson.

Clever pedagogy, but rather triggering and adult themes to be dropping in so casually. Algebra with a side of incest!

[jimbogumbo]

Going to post, and then reply. The Governor's spokesperson showed the worksheet below as an example. Please note that it is not in any textbooks. I'll also send a link to the person who wrote the original, and a WaPo piece with more background re Florida.

https://twitter.com/ChristinaPushaw/status/1515505531582042118

Maya Angelou is offensive CRT!?!?!?

Did you read the questions?

3. Angelou was sexually abused by her mother's (boyfriend, brother, father) at age 8, which shaped her career choices and motivation for writing.

4. Trying to support her son as a single mother, she worked as a pimp, prostitute, and (bookie, drug dealer, night club dancer).


Not exactly sure what bringing this stuff has to do with math at whatever grade level this is.

You clearly didn't read the other link. That was a worksheet from a teacher who was teaching both algebra and a class where Angelou was being taught (in 2011). He tried to create a worksheet where both content areas were reviewed. Put it on a curriculum sharing site. Not in a textbook series, AND the worksheet was revised several years ago to not include the questions you just cited.

[marshwiggle]

Going to post, and then reply. The Governor's spokesperson showed the worksheet below as an example. Please note that it is not in any textbooks. I'll also send a link to the person who wrote the original, and a WaPo piece with more background re Florida.

https://twitter.com/ChristinaPushaw/status/1515505531582042118

Maya Angelou is offensive CRT!?!?!?

Did you read the questions?

3. Angelou was sexually abused by her mother's (boyfriend, brother, father) at age 8, which shaped her career choices and motivation for writing.

4. Trying to support her son as a single mother, she worked as a pimp, prostitute, and (bookie, drug dealer, night club dancer).


Not exactly sure what bringing this stuff has to do with math at whatever grade level this is.

You clearly didn't read the other link. That was a worksheet from a teacher who was teaching both algebra and a class where Angelou was being taught (in 2011). He tried to create a worksheet where both content areas were reviewed. Put it on a curriculum sharing site. Not in a textbook series, AND the worksheet was revised several years ago to not include the questions you just cited.

I was responding to Wahoo, who  I don't believe even looked at the link, or if so, didn't provide any context for it.

[Wahoo Redux]

I was responding to Wahoo, who  I don't believe even looked at the link, or if so, didn't provide any context for it.

Think it through, Marshy...

How do you suppose I knew we were discussing Angelou? 

[marshwiggle]

I was responding to Wahoo, who  I don't believe even looked at the link, or if so, didn't provide any context for it.

Think it through, Marshy...

How do you suppose I knew we were discussing Angelou?

So you didn't see any problems with the questions themselves?

[Wahoo Redux]

I was responding to Wahoo, who  I don't believe even looked at the link, or if so, didn't provide any context for it.

Think it through, Marshy...

How do you suppose I knew we were discussing Angelou?

So you didn't see any problems with the questions themselves?

I do not see how the questions are CRT.

And no, I do not see any real problems with the questions. 

Angelou was a remarkable success story considering what she had to survive.  Her work is predicated on her real-world struggles.  And she is a rare affirmative voice in literature.  People think we must pretend that kids are innocents who cannot be exposed to shocking realities.  Firstly, this is the age of the Internet----I think, rightly or wrongly, the kids know this stuff already.  Secondly, we as a society are working to confront the very things Angelou exposes. 

The Republicans are simply looking for another agitprop to lead the easily influenced.

[marshwiggle]

And no, I do not see any real problems with the questions. 

Angelou was a remarkable success story considering what she had to survive.  Her work is predicated on her real-world struggles.  And she is a rare affirmative voice in literature.  People think we must pretend that kids are innocents who cannot be exposed to shocking realities.  Firstly, this is the age of the Internet----I think, rightly or wrongly, the kids know this stuff already.  Secondly, we as a society are working to confront the very things Angelou exposes. 

If this was in an English class where her work was being read, then these would be absolutely reasonable things to discuss. But in a math class, they are out of context and just there for *shock value. Imagine if a conservative math teacher had questions about how many innocent people get shot in drive-bys, or how many home invasions are foiled by homeowners with guns. While they could make "legitimate" math questions, the ideological reasons for putting them there are not justified.

*Like a 4 year old saying "poop". "He-he, we got the word 'pimp' in a math question!!!!"

[Wahoo Redux]

And no, I do not see any real problems with the questions. 

Angelou was a remarkable success story considering what she had to survive.  Her work is predicated on her real-world struggles.  And she is a rare affirmative voice in literature.  People think we must pretend that kids are innocents who cannot be exposed to shocking realities.  Firstly, this is the age of the Internet----I think, rightly or wrongly, the kids know this stuff already.  Secondly, we as a society are working to confront the very things Angelou exposes. 

If this was in an English class where her work was being read, then these would be absolutely reasonable things to discuss. But in a math class, they are out of context and just there for *shock value. Imagine if a conservative math teacher had questions about how many innocent people get shot in drive-bys, or how many home invasions are foiled by homeowners with guns. While they could make "legitimate" math questions, the ideological reasons for putting them there are not justified.

*Like a 4 year old saying "poop". "He-he, we got the word 'pimp' in a math question!!!!"

This is where it derails, Marshy.

That is nothing at all like anything on the math worksheet.  I am surprised you did not invoke the Nazis.

And why not combine two subjects on a single worksheet?  What is the problem with that?

[dismalist]

And no, I do not see any real problems with the questions. 

Angelou was a remarkable success story considering what she had to survive.  Her work is predicated on her real-world struggles.  And she is a rare affirmative voice in literature.  People think we must pretend that kids are innocents who cannot be exposed to shocking realities.  Firstly, this is the age of the Internet----I think, rightly or wrongly, the kids know this stuff already.  Secondly, we as a society are working to confront the very things Angelou exposes. 

If this was in an English class where her work was being read, then these would be absolutely reasonable things to discuss. But in a math class, they are out of context and just there for *shock value. Imagine if a conservative math teacher had questions about how many innocent people get shot in drive-bys, or how many home invasions are foiled by homeowners with guns. While they could make "legitimate" math questions, the ideological reasons for putting them there are not justified.

*Like a 4 year old saying "poop". "He-he, we got the word 'pimp' in a math question!!!!"

This is where it derails, Marshy.

That is nothing at all like anything on the math worksheet.  I am surprised you did not invoke the Nazis.

And why not combine two subjects on a single worksheet?  What is the problem with that?

Well, if Marsh didn't, I can. Combining two subjects in a single worksheet in mathematics was a favored method of Nazi pedagogy, basically sliming in the desired content to dress up the arithmetic. These thigs are called "word problems", I believe :

In 1934 the MR commissioned a Handbook for Teachers with the title "Mathematics in
the Service of National Socialist Education". The editor of the Handbook, the teacher Adolf
Dorner, wrote in it, when in appeared in 1935:
This handbook methodically strives to hammer into the people the basic facts
that determine the policy of the government.13
The Handbook had many assignments of military character but also of the following:
Problem from A. Dorner (ed. 1935): Mathematik im Dienste der nationalpoli-
tischen Erziehung (Mathematics in the Service of National Socialist Education)
This collection was commissioned by the "Mathematischer Reichsverband" (Reich Mathematical
Association), where the pure mathematician Georg Hamel was the "Führer"
"Assignment 97.: A mentally ill person costs 4 German marks (RM) a day, a cripple 5,50 RM, a
criminal 3,50 RM. In many cases a civil servant has only 4 RM per day, a public employee barely
3,50 RM, an unskilled worker not yet 2 RM per head of the family. (a) represent these figures
graphically.
According to cautious estimates there are 300 000 mentally ill persons, epileptics etc. in nursing
homes. (b) home many loans for young families at 1000 RM without refund1 could be spent from
this money each year?" (42)
Footnote 1: For each child that is born alive in the marriage one fourth of the original loan is relinquished.
Of course, this kind of assignments looks almost criminal today, with us looking back at
the period and with our knowledge of Auschwitz.

From https://publimath.univ-irem.fr/numerisation/ACF/ACF08076/ACF08076.pdf

[Wahoo Redux]

Riiiiiiight, Angelou is like Nazi pedagogy.  Just like CRT is like Nazi pedagogy.

Literature + math on a school worksheet = Fascist propaganda.

One American News is calling, guys!

[dismalist]

Riiiiiiight, Angelou is like Nazi pedagogy.  Just like CRT is like Nazi pedagogy.

Literature + math on a school worksheet = Fascist propaganda.

One American News is calling, guys!

The method is the same. Full stop.

These are "word problems". Must be literature then. Which literature?

It's all consciousness raising. Been there, done that.

[Wahoo Redux]

Full stop, huh?

Don't think so.  I think the sentence continues.

What's wrong with "raising" kids' "consciousness," anyway?

Newsmax survives off paranoia and gross hyperbole.  You will be greeted warmly there.

[dismalist]

Full stop, huh?

Don't think so.  I think the sentence continues.

What's wrong with "raising" kids' "consciousness," anyway?

Newsmax survives off paranoia and gross hyperbole.  You will be greeted warmly there.

We disagree about substance, fundamentally. It's healthy to get used to disagreement.

[Wahoo Redux]

You should be very healthy then, my friend.

I could be convinced, BTW, if anyone can offer any real problem with the content of the worksheet in question.

I do wonder what the reaction would have been if said worksheet included facts about Abraham Lincoln or Beethoven----or maybe Napoleon or World War II?