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Started by Langue_doc, March 20, 2024, 01:29:43 PM

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Langue_doc

QuoteI still wonder what diversity officers spend their time doing.

Some of them send emails defining privilege, which according to the former Diversity Officer at Johns Hopkins, includes among others "white people, heterosexuals, cisgender people, men, and Christians". 

QuoteChief Diversity Officer Steps Down Amid Backlash Over 'Privilege' Email

QuoteDr. Sherita Hill Golden has stepped down from her role as vice president and chief diversity officer at Johns Hopkins Medicine.

The act comes two months after backlash for an email newsletter in which Golden explained the concept of privilege, according to reporting from The Baltimore Sun. In the January newsletter from the Baltimore hospital and research center's diversity office, Golden wrote that "privilege" was the "word of the month," defining it as "a set of unearned benefits given to people who are in a specific social group." The social groups were categorized, in part, as white people, heterosexuals, cisgender people, men, and Christians.

apl68

Quote from: ciao_yall on May 08, 2024, 07:54:58 AM
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Quote from: dismalist on May 07, 2024, 08:31:28 AM
QuoteIn announcing the change, M.I.T.'s president, Sally Kornbluth, said diversity statements constituted a form of compelled speech that do not work.

If they don't work, they wouldn't have to be abolished. Problem is they do work in selecting faculty.

I disagree. I have seen some that were so cringeworthy we were able to avoid wasting our time interviewing the candidate.



Why were they cringeworthy?  What does someone say in a DEI statement that is so wrong it eliminates them as a job candidate?

Trying to remember specifics.

  • One just wrote "I have no idea what to say here."
  • Another made a point about making sure to compliment immigrants on their English.
  • "I talk to everyone, CEO to janitor, top to bottom."

That sort of thing. People who are more about making the point that they see humanity in those others might see as sub-human or inferior as opposed to being reasonably educated about why a college with a diverse student population might be asking such a question.

I cringe just reading that middle one now....
And you will cry out on that day because of the king you have chosen for yourselves, and the Lord will not hear you on that day.

Dismal


QuoteTrying to remember specifics.


  • One just wrote "I have no idea what to say here."
  • Another made a point about making sure to compliment immigrants on their English.
  • "I talk to everyone, CEO to janitor, top to bottom."




QuoteI cringe just reading that middle one now....

Maybe 20 years ago my U at that time was trying to get faculty to engage with diversity issues and a newsletter touted the successes so far. A faculty member in STEM wrote that he was trying to become more knowledgeable about student culture and so he had assigned math problems involving the number of tacos. We hoped it was a joke but the diversity office seemed to think it was real.   

Ruralguy

Truthfully, we've had some job candidates who were fairly cringy on a wide-range of topics. But I can see how DEI might bring out the worst of such tendencies.

spork

Quote from: ciao_yall on May 08, 2024, 07:54:58 AM[. . .]

  • Another made a point about making sure to compliment immigrants on their English.

[. . .]

Odd that this qualifies as a "wrong" response. I complimented an immigrant on her English. Now we are married, which makes me more diverse.

Now where did I put my "Gays for Gaza" t-shirt?
It's terrible writing, used to obfuscate the fact that the authors actually have nothing to say.

dismalist

Quote from: spork on May 08, 2024, 12:14:15 PM
Quote from: ciao_yall on May 08, 2024, 07:54:58 AM[. . .]

  • Another made a point about making sure to compliment immigrants on their English.

[. . .]

Odd that this qualifies as a "wrong" response. I complimented an immigrant on her English. Now we are married, which makes me more diverse.

Now where did I put my "Gays for Gaza" t-shirt?

Quote"I talk to everyone, CEO to janitor, top to bottom."

That one's my favorite, and I do talk to everyone. As proof I offer the following occurrence: Two security guards, both Black, were chatting near the entrance to a lecture hall, discussing what one could get out of life. As they saw me approaching one said to the other: Dismalist would say "life wasn't meant to be easy". We knew each other that well.
That's not even wrong!
--Wolfgang Pauli

treeoflife

Quote from: Langue_doc on May 08, 2024, 10:03:10 AM
QuoteI still wonder what diversity officers spend their time doing.

Some of them send emails defining privilege, which according to the former Diversity Officer at Johns Hopkins, includes among others "white people, heterosexuals, cisgender people, men, and Christians". 

QuoteChief Diversity Officer Steps Down Amid Backlash Over 'Privilege' Email

QuoteDr. Sherita Hill Golden has stepped down from her role as vice president and chief diversity officer at Johns Hopkins Medicine.

The act comes two months after backlash for an email newsletter in which Golden explained the concept of privilege, according to reporting from The Baltimore Sun. In the January newsletter from the Baltimore hospital and research center's diversity office, Golden wrote that "privilege" was the "word of the month," defining it as "a set of unearned benefits given to people who are in a specific social group." The social groups were categorized, in part, as white people, heterosexuals, cisgender people, men, and Christians.

A correction is unfolding in the DEI space before our eyes. This is a good thing, we need DEI initiatives but we need correction to the discourse.

apl68

Yes, we need some correction there.  Wish it wasn't as brute-force as what we're seeing in places like Texas, but that's what happens when politics gets involved.
And you will cry out on that day because of the king you have chosen for yourselves, and the Lord will not hear you on that day.


apl68

The DEI world just can't catch a break.  Now in the news--a former DEI program manager at first Facebook and then Nike convicted and sentenced for stealing $5 million through her work, using various kinds of fraud and kickbacks. 


https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndga/pr/former-diversity-program-manager-facebook-and-nike-sentenced-federal-prison-5-million


She has just handed those who write DEI in general off as nothing more than a boondoggle a jumbo-sized magazine of ammunition.  It's got to be enough to make DEI officers who are passionate about their work put their faces in their hands.
And you will cry out on that day because of the king you have chosen for yourselves, and the Lord will not hear you on that day.

dismalist

Quote from: apl68 on May 20, 2024, 12:57:22 PMThe DEI world just can't catch a break.  Now in the news--a former DEI program manager at first Facebook and then Nike convicted and sentenced for stealing $5 million through her work, using various kinds of fraud and kickbacks. 


https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndga/pr/former-diversity-program-manager-facebook-and-nike-sentenced-federal-prison-5-million


She has just handed those who write DEI in general off as nothing more than a boondoggle a jumbo-sized magazine of ammunition.  It's got to be enough to make DEI officers who are passionate about their work put their faces in their hands.


"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket."
--Eric Hoffer
That's not even wrong!
--Wolfgang Pauli

ciao_yall

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Quote from: apl68 on May 20, 2024, 12:57:22 PMThe DEI world just can't catch a break.  Now in the news--a former DEI program manager at first Facebook and then Nike convicted and sentenced for stealing $5 million through her work, using various kinds of fraud and kickbacks. 


https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndga/pr/former-diversity-program-manager-facebook-and-nike-sentenced-federal-prison-5-million


She has just handed those who write DEI in general off as nothing more than a boondoggle a jumbo-sized magazine of ammunition.  It's got to be enough to make DEI officers who are passionate about their work put their faces in their hands.

In my experience I have observed people who are a little on the outside and believe that all sorts of programs are really a racket for insiders.

So when they get on the "inside," they believe they are just doing what "everyone else" is doing.

I have had people get very upset with me when I try to explain that procedures are X, and we can do as they asked, still, we need to follow the procedures. Oh, you don't actually want to demonstrate you are doing what you are getting paid to do? That's... kind of a problem.

apl68

Quote from: ciao_yall on May 21, 2024, 06:09:53 AMI have had people get very upset with me when I try to explain that procedures are X, and we can do as they asked, still, we need to follow the procedures. Oh, you don't actually want to demonstrate you are doing what you are getting paid to do? That's... kind of a problem.

We've had staff hires here with some of that attitude.  They tend not to last very long.
And you will cry out on that day because of the king you have chosen for yourselves, and the Lord will not hear you on that day.

apl68

The New York Times Magazine recently had a profile of Ibram X. Kendi.  It makes a pretty convincing case that the failure of his Ivy League center was due to his and his colleagues' getting in over their heads, and that accusations of fraud and such are unfair.  And apparently there were a lot of personality clashes and failures to agree on just what their organization's mission was all about.  In the article Kendi comes across as a good deal more moderate in some of his views than some others.  More misguided, and maybe at times hard to work with, than the crazed radical that some have attempted to portray him as being.
And you will cry out on that day because of the king you have chosen for yourselves, and the Lord will not hear you on that day.

financeguy

I'm sorry but your observation of him in this light (accurate or not) is simply not relevant. You can have radical, moderate or conservative viewpoints. What you cannot do is accept money for your cause (or business or whatever else) and handle it in a manner that is reckless, inconsistent with the understood objectives of donors, fraudulent, illegal or otherwise lacking in fiduciary responsibility.

Kendi can continue to say whatever he wants on the race issue. He can continue to influence others to do likewise. What he should never be able to do again is have any budgetary influence over or financial responsibility within any organization. We take financial crimes VERY seriously no matter what group you come from which is exactly why even though the average time served for murder in the U.S. is 16 years, Bernard Madoff (with no prior crimes) died in prison and Sam Bankman Fried (also no priors) just got a 25-year sentence.