Impeachment

[writingprof]

The circus started when they handed off the affidavit to the Senate. (And no, the delay in that was justified, given the holidays as well as the need to name managers specific to the conditions set by the Senate. It was done as soon as practicible).

This is propaganda. The Speaker held onto the articles in an attempt to influence the rules of the Senate trial. She admitted as much publicly, and every major newspaper reported it.

[ciao_yall]

The circus started when they handed off the affidavit to the Senate. (And no, the delay in that was justified, given the holidays as well as the need to name managers specific to the conditions set by the Senate. It was done as soon as practicible).

This is propaganda. The Speaker held onto the articles in an attempt to influence the rules of the Senate trial. She admitted as much publicly, and every major newspaper reported it.

Well, if she hadn't tried to influence the rules of the Senate trial there would have been no Senate trial, just acquittal without witnesses or even a hearing because Party over Country.

Whatever you think about Trump, is that democracy?

[writingprof]

The circus started when they handed off the affidavit to the Senate. (And no, the delay in that was justified, given the holidays as well as the need to name managers specific to the conditions set by the Senate. It was done as soon as practicible).

This is propaganda. The Speaker held onto the articles in an attempt to influence the rules of the Senate trial. She admitted as much publicly, and every major newspaper reported it.

Well, if she hadn't tried to influence the rules of the Senate trial there would have been no Senate trial, just acquittal without witnesses or even a hearing because Party over Country.

Whatever you think about Trump, is that democracy?

Sorry, but that's bad arguing.  Mamselle said something patently false.  I explained what the truth is.  Your assertion that the true behavior, which I characterized correctly, was necessary . . . is neither here nor there.

For what it's worth, I agree with you.  Mamselle should have made that point instead of attempting to gaslight us about something that is both factual and easily verifiable.

[mamselle]

I don't do gaslight.

But now, unless a couple brave souls come forward who have been hiding from Diogenes' oil lamps, tonight, it's all over but the shouting.

In a couple of years, when they start hauling people off the the gas chambers because King Donald I doesn't like the color of their faces, you can remember this moment....

M.

[writingprof]

In a couple of years, when they start hauling people off the the gas chambers because King Donald I doesn't like the color of their faces, you can remember this moment....

That is a very foolish thing to say and would be irresponsible if any human being alive was likely to believe it.  Sane voices on the left, feel free to chime in here.

[Parasaurolophus]

In a couple of years, when they start hauling people off the the gas chambers because King Donald I doesn't like the color of their faces, you can remember this moment....

That is a very foolish thing to say and would be irresponsible if any human being alive was likely to believe it.  Sane voices on the left, feel free to chime in here.

It's not all that outlandish when we know that children were kidnapped at his order and their parents were told they were "going to have a bath", all because he didn't like the colour of their faces or the sound of their voices.

I mean, look. He won't become king, and he probably won't start a new Holocaust (although we should be honest about what's happening at the border with Mexico). But he will absolutely dramatically increase suffering in the country, and in the world. He already has. And as someone watching from outside the US (and with an American spouse), it sure looks to me like the US is in decline. Actually, it looks like that decline has sharply accelerated since he took office, and I would expect it to continue as long as he stays in office. Even if he's ousted, I expect the decline to continue at its accelerated pace under most of the Democratic hopefuls.

He should have been impeached on emoluments. He should have been impeached on kidnapping and caging children. He should have been impeached for his recent war crime (and his support of others). He should have been impeached for his multiple rapes and sexual assaults. He should have been impeached for his lies. He should have been impeached for undermining the 2016 election. He should have been impeached for fraud. He should have been impeached for the Ukraine thing.

Given those givens, I can only conclude that something is fundamentally broken in the US, and your total inability to deal with this monster only serves to highlight it. Barring a dramatic change of direction in the very near future, it looks to me like you guys are absolutely fucked.

[ciao_yall]

In a couple of years, when they start hauling people off the the gas chambers because King Donald I doesn't like the color of their faces, you can remember this moment....

That is a very foolish thing to say and would be irresponsible if any human being alive was likely to believe it.  Sane voices on the left, feel free to chime in here.

You mean, after all DJT's gleeful talk about deporting people who have lived here, raised families, and even paid taxes for years? The same country that relocated thousands of American citizens to internment camps while the holocaust was taking place over in Germany? The same country that started the eugenics movement which was Hitler's inspiration?

[ciao_yall]

Now McConnell says he does not have votes to block witnesses.

What do we think is going on?

• Despite his best efforts, enough R's have a conscience.
• Enough R voters aren't "basey" enough to let him get away with getting Trump off the hook. So he is letting a few vulnerable R Senators vote accordingly to see how the process and polls play out.
• Amy McGrath is gaining on him and he is willing to throw Trump under the bus so that he can retain his seat in 2020 by willing to look like he is putting his country first.

Throwing out the impeachment after hearing witnesses looks more above-board. The endgame is still 'is this an impeachable offense?'  for which the founding fathers left a lot of wiggle room. So it's always a matter of opinion.

It seems obvious to me to why not have a trial with witnesses and THEN acquit...unless you think the witnesses will make the crime so obvious they have to find him guilty.  It is clear to me that Trump is also having some major symptoms of some kind of dementia like aphasia, balance issues, speaking issues, inability to retain new info, speaking repetitively, etc.

Or, # 4...

• McConnell wanted to put pressure on waffling R's such as Murkowski by getting R constituents to out-call the D constituents for pressure.

[mamselle]

Yes, I'm also convinced the rulers of the Republican sandboxes "have something on" every single Senator and Representative, to keep them in line with threats of leaks, etc.

I mean, look what their leader does...

M.

[nebo113]

In a couple of years, when they start hauling people off the the gas chambers because King Donald I doesn't like the color of their faces, you can remember this moment....

That is a very foolish thing to say and would be irresponsible if any human being alive was likely to believe it.  Sane voices on the left, feel free to chime in here.

As a sane voice on the left, I stand with Mamselle.  See Niemoller.

[backatit]

In a couple of years, when they start hauling people off the the gas chambers because King Donald I doesn't like the color of their faces, you can remember this moment....

That is a very foolish thing to say and would be irresponsible if any human being alive was likely to believe it.  Sane voices on the left, feel free to chime in here.

Another sane voice chiming in. The faces are just brown this time...It doesn't have to look EXACTLY the same to be horrifically wrong.

[little bongo]

I suppose I'm more left than right; I don't necessarily identify as radical. But yeah, Mamselle's 100% right.

[jimbogumbo]

In a couple of years, when they start hauling people off the the gas chambers because King Donald I doesn't like the color of their faces, you can remember this moment....

That is a very foolish thing to say and would be irresponsible if any human being alive was likely to believe it.  Sane voices on the left, feel free to chime in here.

writingprof: this state representative disagrees with you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/02/02/montana-lawmaker-constitution-socialists/

[mahagonny]

In a couple of years, when they start hauling people off the the gas chambers because King Donald I doesn't like the color of their faces, you can remember this moment....

That is a very foolish thing to say and would be irresponsible if any human being alive was likely to believe it.  Sane voices on the left, feel free to chime in here.

Another sane voice chiming in. The faces are just brown this time...It doesn't have to look EXACTLY the same to be horrifically wrong.

Obviously here people do believe it but not because Mamselle says it. They already believed it. I think his proposing a state run news service is pretty scary. People are already  free to refute CNN.

[Ruralguy]

I really doubt that anyone has anything on Lamar Alexander, at least not that anyone would care about.  He's obviously not concerned about re-election or election to much of anything else. He'd just rather be wrong and reasonably well-liked (by Republicans anyway) than correct (and consistent! I mean he basically said "He did it! Its really bad! But I don't think he deserves to be punished....because??  There really is no because.

Anyway, R.I.P. Democracy. It was a nice run. I mean if you count the Magna Carta, its over 800 years,
almost 2500 if you count ancient Athens, and possibly more if you count some who aren't in history books (and that I don't know much about).